In article >,
says...
> zxcvbob wrote:
> >
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >> How to choose a wine for Thanksgiving
> >>
> >> By Eric Asimov
> >> International Herald Tribune
> >>
> >> NEW YORK: Suppose I told you that with your Thanksgiving turkey, your
> >> stuffing, your cranberry sauce, and all the delicious side dishes that
> >> will grace your holiday table, one wine and one wine only would match
> >> up. Unless you pick that one wine you face the specter of horrible
> >> embarrassment. [snip]
>
> >
> > I usually pick a bottle of Beaujolais (seems appropriate to drink a wine
> > from the current year at a harvest festival) and maybe a bottle of
> > Riesling.
> >
> > I think Chianti should work too; that's my favorite "jug wine" -- maybe
> > keep it in stock for leftovers, or if your guests are big drinkers and
> > the good stuff runs out.
> >
> > Bob
>
> We usually drink gewurtztraminer for Thanksgiving but a few weeks ago on
> a trip to New England we did a tasting at the Sakonnet Winery in RI.
> The first wine we tasted was their Vidal Blanc and we looked at each
> other and both said "Thanksgiving!" We have three bottles waiting and
> I wish we had bought more.
>
> What a PITA it is trying to get wine home on a plane these days.
>
> gloria p
>

Hmm, interesting. I'll have to check it out. I keep forgetting that we
have a vineyard here in RI.

In article >,
says...
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Gloria P wrote:
> >
> >> What a PITA it is trying to get wine home on a plane these days.
> >
> > You can say that again. We went to Europe this summer and wanted to take
> > some local wines to hour hosts. I would have preferred to take it in
> > carry one luggage rather than risk putting it in our suitcases. I could
> > not get anything at duty free leaving Toronto because we had a layover
> > in Amsterdam and would not have been able to take it back on the plane
> > there, though I could have picked up some at Schipol. We did buy some
> > duty free booze in Tallinn and take it to Sweden with us. On the way
> > home we flew from Copenhagen to Schipol, then on to Toronto, and were
> > able to get some in Schipol. It is strange. You can buy duty free booze
> > and take it on the plane at the airport where you buy it, but you cannot
> > take it on board (in carry on) at any other airport.
> >
>
>
> That's because you can't carry it through security lines.
>
> When you buy it at the airport you are already in the "sterile" area,
> i.e. inside of security screening.
>
> Response to 9/11 has made prisoners of us all.
>
> gloria p
>

Which is precisely why I say we should yank away the subsidies to the
U.S. airline industry and pour massive subsidies into Amtrak.

I look at the northeast corridor. They could get track that is
electrified and pretty much dedicated between Boston and Washington,
D.C.

But why don't we build some high speed lines across the nation? They do
it in Europe and Japan.

Let the airlines have the international traffic.

In article >, says...
> Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.
>
> Paul
>
>
>

I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.

sf wrote:

> I think I would have put the wine (properly packaged to prevent
> breakage) in my suitcases. That way I'd have room to pack whatever I
> bought overseas.

That is what we did with the wine we took over to Europe. We stuck
bottles inside my socks for protection and packed them in the middle
with lots of cushioning around them.
>
>> I could
>> not get anything at duty free leaving Toronto because we had a layover
>> in Amsterdam and would not have been able to take it back on the plane
>> there, though I could have picked up some at Schipol. We did buy some
>> duty free booze in Tallinn and take it to Sweden with us. On the way
>> home we flew from Copenhagen to Schipol, then on to Toronto, and were
>> able to get some in Schipol. It is strange. You can buy duty free booze
>> and take it on the plane at the airport where you buy it, but you cannot
>> take it on board (in carry on) at any other airport.
>
> I didn't know that!

Yep. You can buy something at duty free and take it on the plane, but
once you get to a European airport you can't take it on another plane,
and if you are going from EU to EU you cannot get duty free.


>

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:38:18 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>
>>> It is strange. You can buy duty free booze
>>> and take it on the plane at the airport where you buy it, but you cannot
>>> take it on board (in carry on) at any other airport.
>>
>> I didn't know that!
>
>Yep. You can buy something at duty free and take it on the plane, but
>once you get to a European airport you can't take it on another plane,
>and if you are going from EU to EU you cannot get duty free.
>
So they get you coming and going.... harharhar. Personally, I don't
shop at duty free shops unless I've got a tax refund to spend. I've
never seen a real bargain there and the idea of not paying tax doesn't
justify paying what I think are inflated prices.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article > ,
T > wrote:

> In article >, says...
> > Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.

> I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.

In general wine is sweet or not sweet based on how it is made. 99% of
the Zinfandel I've had is not the least sweet. I have had desert wine
made of Zinfandel, but it was very expensive. It tasted a lot like
port, to give a simple example.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article > ,
T > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> > > Gloria P wrote:
> > >
> > >> What a PITA it is trying to get wine home on a plane these days.
> > >
> > > You can say that again.
> > That's because you can't carry it through security lines.
> >
> > When you buy it at the airport you are already in the "sterile" area,
> > i.e. inside of security screening.
> >
> > Response to 9/11 has made prisoners of us all.

> Which is precisely why I say we should yank away the subsidies to the
> U.S. airline industry and pour massive subsidies into Amtrak.

That makes no sense at all to me. Of course, this whole security flap
makes little sense to me. The security is stringent at airports because
terrorists hijacked planes and caused a lot of damage. You have to take
off your shoes to get through security because some half-assed terrorist
made a shoe bomb. There were ridiculous restrictions on liquids carried
on because a group of half-assed terrorists (who were tracked for a year
by the FBI) were planning to carry on liquids to make bombs. The only
reason there isn't security for trains is that the terrorists haven't
hit them yet in the US. Trust me, once they do, there will be increased
security. The security I've seen is all reactive, and not pro-active.

> I look at the northeast corridor. They could get track that is
> electrified and pretty much dedicated between Boston and Washington,
> D.C.
>
> But why don't we build some high speed lines across the nation? They do
> it in Europe and Japan.
>
> Let the airlines have the international traffic.

I'm happy that California has passed bond funding for a high speed train
in the state. Amtrak needs something, I'm not sure what. Currently, if
I wanted to take the train to southern California, I'd have to transfer
to a bus to go the last little way. As I understand, the freight train
companies won't allow passenger trains over the grapevine!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:56:56 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article > ,
> T > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> > Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.
>
>> I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.
>
>In general wine is sweet or not sweet based on how it is made. 99% of
>the Zinfandel I've had is not the least sweet. I have had desert wine
>made of Zinfandel, but it was very expensive. It tasted a lot like
>port, to give a simple example.

Do you suppose T means white Zinfandel? It's pretty bad.

A big ole Zinfandel on the other hand is a very good thing.
--

modom
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

Dan Abel > wrote in news:dabel-922FF0.18565615112008@c-61-
68-245-199.per.connect.net.au:

> In article > ,
> T > wrote:
>
>> In article >, says...
>> > Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.
>
>> I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.
>
> In general wine is sweet or not sweet based on how it is made. 99% of
> the Zinfandel I've had is not the least sweet. I have had desert wine
> made of Zinfandel, but it was very expensive. It tasted a lot like
> port, to give a simple example.
>


Life's too short to drink bad wine.

And with the weather like it is at the moment, it's either got to be
bubbles, or a nice cool Pinot, or even a Rose'.

Or maybe a White Shiraz :-)

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"As viscous as motor oil swirled in a swamp, redolent of burnt bell peppers
nested in by incontinent mice and a finish reminiscent of the dregs of a
stale can of Coca-Cola that someone has been using as an ashtray. Not a bad
drink, though."
Excerpt from "The Moose Turd Wine Tasting" by T. A. Nonymous

On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:35:06 -0500, T >
wrote:

>In article >, says...
>> Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>
>I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.

Maybe you're thinking of "white" Zinfandel.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Dan Abel wrote:

> That makes no sense at all to me. Of course, this whole security flap
> makes little sense to me. The security is stringent at airports because
> terrorists hijacked planes and caused a lot of damage. You have to take
> off your shoes to get through security because some half-assed terrorist
> made a shoe bomb. There were ridiculous restrictions on liquids carried
> on because a group of half-assed terrorists (who were tracked for a year
> by the FBI) were planning to carry on liquids to make bombs. The only
> reason there isn't security for trains is that the terrorists haven't
> hit them yet in the US. Trust me, once they do, there will be increased
> security. The security I've seen is all reactive, and not pro-active.

Recently I saw a newscast that said that ALL major airports, by this
Thanksgiving, would have a separate security lane for families, those
with health issues that require medicines, and for those that aren't
familiar with airline travel to expedite the wait for individual
travelers. This way they can also make allowances quicker for things
like formula and medicine. They also said that they are working on the
technology (and they are almost done with that) where they can scan
liquids and would be able to detect whether a liquid is potentially
dangerous. Then they could ease those 3-1-1 directives. I wish they
would come up with something for SHOES.

As far as security on the train is concerned, they do state at the
website that your baggage is subject to inspection at different depots
or while in transit (I haven't seen that happen myself). I'm rather
surprised they don't check given all the other bombings of subways and
trains around the world. I suspect part of it's a money thing, because
not a lot of people take advantage of long distance train travel and the
costs of running one daily have got to be exorbitant. And on long trips,
it's still cheaper to fly.

> I'm happy that California has passed bond funding for a high speed train
> in the state. Amtrak needs something, I'm not sure what. Currently, if
> I wanted to take the train to southern California, I'd have to transfer
> to a bus to go the last little way. As I understand, the freight train
> companies won't allow passenger trains over the grapevine!

I love train travel, but you have to NOT be in a hurry. Amtrak up here
is horribly unreliable. Probably because of waiting on all the freight
trains! I'll welcome high speed rail to SoCal. Bob and I go down there
quite often. Sometimes it's nicer to let somebody else do the driving.

It's still a long way off. Do they even have the plans ready to go?

--Lin

"T" > wrote in message
. org...
> In article >, says...
>> Zinfandel or Pinot Noir. 'Nuff said.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>
> I like the Pinot Noir but Zinfandel is just way too sweet for me.

Zinfandel is not sweet unless you mean White Zin. It works really well with
turkey and spices found in most stuffing recipes.

Paul

"Dave Smith" > sf wrote:
> That is what we did with the wine we took over to Europe. We stuck bottles
> inside my socks for protection and packed them in the middle > with lots
> of cushioning around them.
>>


They sell a styrofoam case meant for bottles. Many people I know go back to
the US with wines unobtainable there. Even more buy special olive oil and
carry it back. They come in various sizes, all checkable, and two are small
enough for packing in a suitcase.

if you are going from EU to EU you cannot get duty free.

Because there is no duty from EU to EU.

Dan Abel wrote:

> In general wine is sweet or not sweet based on how it is made. 99% of
> the Zinfandel I've had is not the least sweet. I have had desert wine
> made of Zinfandel, but it was very expensive. It tasted a lot like
> port, to give a simple example.

I was wondering about that because the Zinfanfel wines I have had were
not particularly sweet. Good dessert wines are much sweeter because they
are usually made from late harvest grapes, which, having sat on the
vines longer have a higher concentration of sugars in them. Then there
are the ice wines, which are left on the grapes until they are
shrivelled up and frozen. They are picked and pressed while frozen and
yield a thick, syrupy juice which makes a very, very sweet wine. They
are incredible wines, packed full of interesting flavours, but so sweet
that you can only drink a small amount of it. And they are indeed
expensive, with half bottles selling from $40 to well over $100.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > In general wine is sweet or not sweet based on how it is made. 99% of
> > the Zinfandel I've had is not the least sweet. I have had desert wine
> > made of Zinfandel, but it was very expensive. It tasted a lot like
> > port, to give a simple example.
>
> I was wondering about that because the Zinfanfel wines I have had were
> not particularly sweet. Good dessert wines are much sweeter because they
> are usually made from late harvest grapes

Sweet zinfandel is very much the exception. Some is late harvest, some
is fortified (had brandy added during fermentation). Here is one:

http://www.bevmo.com/Shop/ProductDet...roductID=26104

Note that this is a half bottle (375ml).

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA