Gloria P > wrote in news:6omn00F4amhdU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Peter Lucas wrote:
>>
>> Hmmmmmmmmm, I remember getting cold sores a
>> *loooooooooooooooooooooooong* time ago......... haven't had them for
>> years and years. The SO still gets then whenever she's under the
>> weather.... or stressed.
>>
>> Or both.
>>
>> It's probably more a stress thing.
>>
>
>
> Herpes simlex virus lives in the brain stem once you aquire it.
> It "blooms" as cold sores for various reasons.
>
> A few members of our family get them whenever they go out in strong
> sunlight without some kind of sunblock on their lips. Beach, skiing,
> lawn mowing all require SPF 45 lip block or a cold sore will erupt
> about 36 hours later.
>
> Zovirax seems to work OK. I will suggest Abreva to them.
>



Seems we don't have Abreva here........ and it is *damn* expensive!!

http://www.aragonproducts.com/thepro...fm?master=5158

Abreva (2 g) - $39.00


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing.

Edmund Burke.

On Nov 21, 6:37*am, Peter Lucas > wrote:
> "James Silverton" > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > *Peter *wrote *on Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:31:58 +0000 (UTC):
>
> >>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >>>news
>
> >>> <snip>
>
> >>>> heh! *I know that feeling. *I've been sick this week (really
> >>>> ugly bad head/chest cold and cold sores)
>
> >>> <Snip>
> >>> *--
> >>>> Peace! Om
>
> >>> Bummer :-(
>
> >>> There are 3 things that help me. I too quite often manifest a
> >>> a virus with cold sores ( AKA Herpes simplex virus).
>
> >> Hmmmmmmmmm, I remember getting cold sores a
> >> *loooooooooooooooooooooong* time ago......... haven't had them
> >> for years and years. The SO still gets then whenever she's
> >> under the weather.... or stressed.
>
> >> Or both.
>
> >> It's probably more a stress thing.
>
> > Weren't regular stomach ulcers authoritatively caused by stress until
> > the role of Heliobacter pylori was discovered.
>
> Don't know about the helicopter pilot thing....... all I know is, since
> I've cut all stress from my life, I haven't had a cold sore.
>
> The SO on the other hand, has had several high stress jobs, and she was
> *always* fighting off cold sores.
>
> Funnily enough, she doesn't get them when we are off on extended
> holidays.
>
> http://www.animated-teeth.com/cold_s...ral_herpes.htm
>
> What triggers the reactivation of the herpes virus?
> (What triggers outbreaks of cold sores?)
>
> Each of the following items has been found to be an event that is often
> associated with the formation of cold sores. Many of these factors seem
> to correlate with time periods when a person's immune system would be
> expected to be weakened or stressed. If compromised, a person's immune
> system, which under normal circumstances would be able to keep the
> herpes virus particles in check, can be overwhelmed and a window of
> opportunity for cold sore formation can be opened.
>
> * * * Emotional upset and stress.
> * * * Physical stress and fatigue.
> * * * Illnesses (including a cold or the flu).
> * * * Injury to the lips or skin, such as physical trauma
> * * * or severe chapping.
> * * * Injury to the lips from excessive exposure to bright sunlight or
> ultraviolet lamps.
> * * * Menstruation or pregnancy
> * * * .
> * * * An immune system deficiency.
>
You gave her VD!!!

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>> "Omelet" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>> <snip>
>>
>> > heh! I know that feeling. I've been sick this week (really ugly bad
>> > head/chest cold and cold sores)
>>
>> <Snip>
>> --
>> > Peace! Om
>>
>>
>> Bummer :-(
>>
>> There are 3 things that help me. I too quite often manifest a a virus
>> with
>> cold sores ( AKA Herpes simplex virus).
>>
>> For me ABRIVA really takes away the pain - expensive but worth the price.
>>
>> Yoghurt also helps
>>
>> If you don't like Yoghurt than the drug store pharmacy will have OTC
>> latinex
>> tablets.
>>
>> There are other prescriptions available from your physician.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> I love yogurt. Did not think of it.
>
> It helps for lip sores??? Really?
> --
> Peace! Om

The good bacteria and the flora (bacteria in your system) will help the
healing process.

I have found this to be true since about 1966.

Dimitri


See below;

http://alternative-medicine-and-heal.../coldsores.htm

Two particular treatments have given my patients great relief and also act
as a preventive: Lactobacillus acidophilus and Lysine. In addition, zinc,
used topically and as a supplement, can give immediate relief.

Lactobacillus acidophilus is the living culture that is used to make yogurt.
You may have heard that yogurt can be beneficial for intestinal and
digestive problems, and it's this connection that led to the discovery that
acidophilus can help cold sores. A doctor using acidophilus to treat
patients with severe diarrhea discovered that two of his patients suffering
from cold sores found dramatic improvement in their sores as well as their
diarrhea. Further research found that acidophilus capsules can not only help
relieve existing cold sores but also help prevent new ones. You can buy
acidophilus capsules at health food stores, but be sure that the tablets you
buy contain living bacteria; they're usually kept refrigerated. Eating
yogurt might be of some help, but there's no evidence that it can have the
dramatic effect of the capsules.

Another aid in the relief of cold sores is the amino acid L-lysine, which is
particularly effective in preventing recurrence. There is a hypothesis that
lysine inhibits herpes activity, while another amino acid, arginine,
promotes it. And studies have demonstrated that lysine treatment can be very
beneficial to cold sore sufferers. In one study, forty-five patients who
took lysine supplements were followed for two years. Forty-two of these
patients had a dramatic reduction of cold sores. For most, pain disappeared
overnight, and the initial sore did not spread, but the infection returned
one to four weeks after stopping lysine.

On 20 Nov 2008 20:58:08 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>Are the cold sores the scabby things on the outside of the lips? There
>is a sore that occurs on the inside of the gums too. I might be thinking
>of canker sore. Not sure. I use cream of tartar on the canker? sores. I
>haven't had a sore on the outside of my mouth in decades (thankfully).
>Don't remember what I used last time. Something by Vicks probably.

They are the same thing.

I can chart the path cold sores took on me... it started under my
tongue when I was a kid and marched incrementally in a straight line
to my lip where they appear occasionally, but never in exactly the
same place. I've had so many viruses in the past that I rarely get
sick now and have even fewer cold sores.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:00:09 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>An absolute sure-fire home remedy for cold sores is Preparation H. No
>kidding. I've never had a cold sore, but the DH and my boss get 'em
>and once I got them past the "ick" factor, they both now swear by it.

aha... good, something else to try! I've used xylocaine with great
success for years, but Dr's don't understand that it's good on cold
sores - so I'm stuck with the over the counter type which isn't as
strong as I'd like most of the time.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Are the cold sores the scabby things on the outside of the lips?
> There is a sore that occurs on the inside of the gums too. I might
> be thinking of canker sore. Not sure.

We call them ulcers.


I use cream of tartar on the
> canker? sores. I haven't had a sore on the outside of my mouth in
> decades (thankfully). Don't remember what I used last time.
> Something by Vicks probably.
>
> Michael

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:00:09 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:54:00 -0800, "Dimitri" >
>fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>
>>"Omelet" > wrote in message
>>news >>
>><snip>
>>
>>> heh! I know that feeling. I've been sick this week (really ugly bad
>>> head/chest cold and cold sores)
>>
>><Snip>
>> --
>>> Peace! Om
>>
>>
>>Bummer :-(
>>
>>There are 3 things that help me. I too quite often manifest a a virus with
>>cold sores ( AKA Herpes simplex virus).
>>
>>For me ABRIVA really takes away the pain - expensive but worth the price.
>>
>>Yoghurt also helps
>>
>>If you don't like Yoghurt than the drug store pharmacy will have OTC latinex
>>tablets.
>>
>>There are other prescriptions available from your physician.
>
>Aside: For reasons that entirely escape me, Om's posts don't show up
>for me - I've checked the killfile and it's Om-free. <shrug>
>
>An absolute sure-fire home remedy for cold sores is Preparation H. No
>kidding. I've never had a cold sore, but the DH and my boss get 'em
>and once I got them past the "ick" factor, they both now swear by it.
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd


She uses gmail. Create a watch filter for her and give it a higher
number than your gmail filter.

Ophelia wrote on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:18:10 -0000:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>> Are the cold sores the scabby things on the outside of the
>> lips? There is a sore that occurs on the inside of the gums
>> too. I might be thinking of canker sore. Not sure.

> We call them ulcers.

> I use cream of tartar on the
>> canker? sores. I haven't had a sore on the outside of my
>> mouth in decades (thankfully). Don't remember what I used
>> last time. Something by Vicks probably.
>>
>> Michael

Cold sores occur on the lips and there's no known way to eliminate the
virus, which can stay dormant for many years. There have been times when
I have not had cold sores for a decade and then several in a year.
Damnit they can hurt! The transmission of the virus from person to
person is also a bit of a mystery but it seems personal contact is
necessary.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> Peter Lucas wrote:
> >
> > Hmmmmmmmmm, I remember getting cold sores a
> > *loooooooooooooooooooooooong* time ago......... haven't had them for
> > years and years. The SO still gets then whenever she's under the
> > weather.... or stressed.
> >
> > Or both.
> >
> > It's probably more a stress thing.
> >
>
>
> Herpes simlex virus lives in the brain stem once you aquire it.
> It "blooms" as cold sores for various reasons.
>
> A few members of our family get them whenever they go out in strong
> sunlight without some kind of sunblock on their lips. Beach, skiing,
> lawn mowing all require SPF 45 lip block or a cold sore will erupt
> about 36 hours later.
>
> Zovirax seems to work OK. I will suggest Abreva to them.
>
> gloria p

My sister just recommended Abreva this morning to me. She said that if
she puts it on at that first "tingle"when you know you are getting one,
they never break out.

I'm going to get some in the morning.
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

In article > ,
"Peter-Lucas" > wrote:

> Gloria P > wrote in news:6omn00F4amhdU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > Peter Lucas wrote:
> >>
> >> Hmmmmmmmmm, I remember getting cold sores a
> >> *loooooooooooooooooooooooong* time ago......... haven't had them for
> >> years and years. The SO still gets then whenever she's under the
> >> weather.... or stressed.
> >>
> >> Or both.
> >>
> >> It's probably more a stress thing.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Herpes simlex virus lives in the brain stem once you aquire it.
> > It "blooms" as cold sores for various reasons.
> >
> > A few members of our family get them whenever they go out in strong
> > sunlight without some kind of sunblock on their lips. Beach, skiing,
> > lawn mowing all require SPF 45 lip block or a cold sore will erupt
> > about 36 hours later.
> >
> > Zovirax seems to work OK. I will suggest Abreva to them.
> >
>
>
>
> Seems we don't have Abreva here........ and it is *damn* expensive!!
>
> http://www.aragonproducts.com/thepro...fm?master=5158
>
> Abreva (2 g) - $39.00

I'm told a little goes a long way.
And it's worth it. These damned things HURT.
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> Dimitri
>
>
> See below;
>
> http://alternative-medicine-and-heal.../coldsores.htm
>
> Two particular treatments have given my patients great relief and also act
> as a preventive: Lactobacillus acidophilus and Lysine. In addition, zinc,
> used topically and as a supplement, can give immediate relief.
>
> Lactobacillus acidophilus is the living culture that is used to make yogurt.
> You may have heard that yogurt can be beneficial for intestinal and
> digestive problems, and it's this connection that led to the discovery that
> acidophilus can help cold sores. A doctor using acidophilus to treat
> patients with severe diarrhea discovered that two of his patients suffering
> from cold sores found dramatic improvement in their sores as well as their
> diarrhea. Further research found that acidophilus capsules can not only help
> relieve existing cold sores but also help prevent new ones. You can buy
> acidophilus capsules at health food stores, but be sure that the tablets you
> buy contain living bacteria; they're usually kept refrigerated. Eating
> yogurt might be of some help, but there's no evidence that it can have the
> dramatic effect of the capsules.
>
> Another aid in the relief of cold sores is the amino acid L-lysine, which is
> particularly effective in preventing recurrence. There is a hypothesis that
> lysine inhibits herpes activity, while another amino acid, arginine,
> promotes it. And studies have demonstrated that lysine treatment can be very
> beneficial to cold sore sufferers. In one study, forty-five patients who
> took lysine supplements were followed for two years. Forty-two of these
> patients had a dramatic reduction of cold sores. For most, pain disappeared
> overnight, and the initial sore did not spread, but the infection returned
> one to four weeks after stopping lysine.

Thanks Dimitri.

This might encourage me to start using PB-8 again. It's a freeze dried
flora supplement.
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:01:33 -0800, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

<big snip>


>Another aid in the relief of cold sores is the amino acid L-lysine, which is
>particularly effective in preventing recurrence. There is a hypothesis that
>lysine inhibits herpes activity, while another amino acid, arginine,
>promotes it. And studies have demonstrated that lysine treatment can be very
>beneficial to cold sore sufferers. In one study, forty-five patients who
>took lysine supplements were followed for two years. Forty-two of these
>patients had a dramatic reduction of cold sores. For most, pain disappeared
>overnight, and the initial sore did not spread, but the infection returned
>one to four weeks after stopping lysine.

Very good info Dimitri. I got busy yesterday and didn't have a chance
to amend my post but I take L-Lysine a few times a week. Whenever I
even sneeze Louise shoves vitamin c and L-lysine in my mouth. I stay
out of the sun for the most part and when I do get a bit of sun I
NEVER shave. The friction will make me break out for sure. I see
someone else mentioned the friction too. Although there is no cure a
few simple lifestyle changes can make a big difference as to how much
misery cold sores can cause. Another thing is to keep lips from
chapping. When they're chapped we have a tendency to lick of touch or
rub them together and that causes breakouts. I had some goofball
pharmacist tell me Carmex was bad because of the salicylic acid in it.
So for years I used other products and suffered with chapped and
cracked lips in the cold and dry Chicago winters. I was away and
nothing was available other than Carmex and used it and felt immediate
relief and have used it since and haven't had a dry split lips in many
years. I highly recommend Carmex for anyone who get cold sores. And
if they're chapped NEVER have anything like hot sauce or hot
peppers.(<---ob food) I went from going for months at a time with
constant breakouts to getting less than one a year.

Lou

From he

http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lysine-000312.htm

Uses

Herpes and Shingles
L-lysine can be used to treat mouth and genital lesions caused by
herpes simplex virus as well as shingles caused by herpes zoster
viruses. Taking lysine supplements can speed recovery time and reduce
the chance of recurrent breakouts of the herpes infection.

Omelet wrote on Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:55:50 -0600:

>> Gloria P > wrote in news:6omn00F4amhdU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
> >> Peter Lucas wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hmmmmmmmmm, I remember getting cold sores a
> >>> *looooooooooooooooooooooong* time ago......... haven't had
> >>> them for years and years. The SO still gets then whenever
> >>> she's under the weather.... or stressed.
> >>>
> >>> Or both.
> >>>
> >>> It's probably more a stress thing.
> >>>
> >> Herpes simlex virus lives in the brain stem once you aquire
> >> it. It "blooms" as cold sores for various reasons.
> >>
> >> A few members of our family get them whenever they go out
> >> in strong sunlight without some kind of sunblock on their
> >> lips. Beach, skiing, lawn mowing all require SPF 45 lip
> >> block or a cold sore will erupt about 36 hours later.
> >>
> >> Zovirax seems to work OK. I will suggest Abreva to them.
> >>
>> Seems we don't have Abreva here........ and it is *damn*
>> expensive!!
>>
>> http://www.aragonproducts.com/thepro...fm?master=5158
>>
>> Abreva (2 g) - $39.00

> I'm told a little goes a long way.
> And it's worth it. These damned things HURT.

After you have tried Abreva at least twice would you report your
experience. Ether is difficult to buy but I am a chemist.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:26:10 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>After you have tried Abreva at least twice would you report your
>experience. Ether is difficult to buy but I am a chemist.

If you have an Rx plan, get a prescription for Denavir (topical
penciclovir) instead. It is better than Abreva (behenyl alcohol),
anyway, but Denavir does not have the advantage of being OTC.

Boron

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:


> Cold sores occur on the lips and there's no known way to eliminate the
> virus, which can stay dormant for many years. There have been times when
> I have not had cold sores for a decade and then several in a year.
> Damnit they can hurt! The transmission of the virus from person to
> person is also a bit of a mystery but it seems


> personal contact is
> necessary.

I believe what's been posted the last couple of days is that the virus
is very contagious at certain stages, and that personal contact is a
good way to spread it, but not the only way. I believe shared medicine
was mentioned specifically.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Ophelia wrote:

> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> > Are the cold sores the scabby things on the outside of the lips?
> > There is a sore that occurs on the inside of the gums too. *I might
> > be thinking of canker sore. Not sure.
>
> We call them ulcers.


I have a gigantor one that covers almost half of my vagina...and I
think it's spread to my brain.

Back in the Long Ago, when it was first publicised that Vitamin C helps
colds, I was about to hitch-hike from Baltimore to Atlanta. I had a
god-awful cold and my friend gave me a bunch of Vit C tabs, said to take
one every four hours....which I did.
By the time I got to Atlanta, I had 11 "cold sores", Herpes Simplex
lesions on my face from eyebrow to chin.
I looked like....a Plague victim. The smallest lesion was
dime-sized...the largest, quarter sized.

Turns out, SOME people (lucky me) are SO sensitive to Vitamin C that
anything over the minimum daily requirement makes them succeptible to
Herpes virus.....

As anyone who has ever had a cold sore knows, they take forever to
heal....and after a couple of weeks, mine were still...glowing red.

But, ya gotta eat. So, I went into the grocery store, where I saw a
woman pushing her cart while munching a bag of potato chips. One got
stuck in her throat and she began to cough, wheeze, generally looking as
if she were choking. I ran to the bottled soft drinks and grabbed a can
of Coke and rushed it to her, saying, "Drink somne of this!". She
reached for it gratefully, then glanced at my FACE and withdrew her
hand! it was clear she was thinking, "lady...Id rather choke to death
than catch whatever it is YOU have!"

I read her face right, I guess, because I sid, "it's OK! This is not
contgious and besides, I didnt drink from this can..." She took the can
and swallowed some coke and was OK.

Lesson learned: SOME folks cannot take large doses of Vitamin C.
....and, SOME folks would rather die than have 11 great big red lesions
on their face!

LassChance

In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:

> Lesson learned: SOME folks cannot take large doses of Vitamin C.
> ...and, SOME folks would rather die than have 11 great big red lesions
> on their face!
>
> LassChance

Right now I'm thanking the folks that recommended Abreva. My sister
included. :-) I bought some this morning (nearly 14 bucks for a teensy
tube but it does not take much) and a single application killed the pain
in the damned things in just a few hours.

I anticipate faster healing now that the virus is probably dead.

My immune system is trashed at the moment due to some problems with
insomnia, probably due to Propranolol. :-P Sleep deprivation is a bitch.
--
Peace! Om

"All People and things are interdependent. The world has become so small that no nation can solve its problems alone, in isolation from others. That is why I believe we must all cultivate a sense of responsibility based on love and compassion for each other." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:33:59 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>
>> Lesson learned: SOME folks cannot take large doses of Vitamin C.
>> ...and, SOME folks would rather die than have 11 great big red lesions
>> on their face!
>>
>> LassChance
>
> Right now I'm thanking the folks that recommended Abreva. My sister
> included. :-) I bought some this morning (nearly 14 bucks for a teensy
> tube but it does not take much) and a single application killed the pain
> in the damned things in just a few hours.
>
> I anticipate faster healing now that the virus is probably dead.
>
> My immune system is trashed at the moment due to some problems with
> insomnia, probably due to Propranolol. :-P Sleep deprivation is a bitch.

sure are a lotta sick people here. y'all musta been recklessly flushing
the toilet with your hands.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:33:59 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
> >
> >> Lesson learned: SOME folks cannot take large doses of Vitamin C.
> >> ...and, SOME folks would rather die than have 11 great big red lesions
> >> on their face!
> >>
> >> LassChance
> >
> > Right now I'm thanking the folks that recommended Abreva. My sister
> > included. :-) I bought some this morning (nearly 14 bucks for a teensy
> > tube but it does not take much) and a single application killed the pain
> > in the damned things in just a few hours.
> >
> > I anticipate faster healing now that the virus is probably dead.
> >
> > My immune system is trashed at the moment due to some problems with
> > insomnia, probably due to Propranolol. :-P Sleep deprivation is a bitch.
>
> sure are a lotta sick people here. y'all musta been recklessly flushing
> the toilet with your hands.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Or not getting any sleep...
--
Peace! Om

"All People and things are interdependent. The world has become so small that no nation can solve its problems alone, in isolation from others. That is why I believe we must all cultivate a sense of responsibility based on love and compassion for each other." -- Dalai Lama

blake murphy > wrote:

> sure are a lotta sick people here. y'all musta been recklessly flushing
> the toilet with your hands.

I think more than a few people here suffer from undiagnosed, "Worm
in the Brain".

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,455067,00.html

ObFood: I'm off to CostCo to pick up a chateaubriand (from the
tenderloin, not the sirloin).

-sw