....Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors undid
what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.

Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma from
her left arm.
When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said, "No!
8 Centimeters!"

I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean millimeters?"

She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.

At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from tip-top
condition, but I think she's on the right road.

Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.

Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home again,
I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her friends.
I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I know for sure
she's receptive to a phone call.

She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
someone I don't want to talk to.
"Aren't you going to answer that!?"

"Nope."

She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
caused earlier this week.

I will keep this group updated when I have news.

Thanks for your understanding.


TFM®

On Thu 20 Nov 2008 06:13:29p, TFM® told us...

> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma
> from her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said,
> "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean
> millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends. I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I
> know for sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
> answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
> someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
> caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®

Alan, thanks so much for the update on Christy. It’s so good to know that
she’s on the upswing.

If you can, please give her my love…

Blessings on you both.


--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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Date: Thursday, 11(XI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
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Countdown till U.S. Thanksgiving Day
6dys 5hrs 36mins
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TFM® > wrote in
. com:

> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter
> hematoma from her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she
> said, "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean
> millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends. I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way
> I know for sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck
> to answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if
> it's someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage
> they caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®
>

thanks for the update.
--
Best regards,

C.D.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote


> If you can, please give her my love.
>
> Blessings on you both.


I will tell her.

TFM®

On Thu 20 Nov 2008 06:29:17p, TFM® told us...

>
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote
>
>
>> If you can, please give her my love.
>>
>> Blessings on you both.
>
>
> I will tell her.
>
> TFM®

Thanks, Alan!

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
************************************************** **********************
Date: Thursday, 11(XI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
************************************************** **********************
Countdown till U.S. Thanksgiving Day
6dys 5hrs 30mins
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Human equality is a contingent fact of history. --Steven Jay Gould
************************************************** **********************

"CD" > wrote

> thanks for the update.
> --
> Best regards,
>
> C.D.
>
>

This is (I think) her favorite newsgroup. A lot of people here have been
*MORE* than supportive. I think a lot of some of the regular posters. An
occasional update doesn't break my back.

What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with her?"

Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be that
pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow *any* visitor
to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would be pointless for me
to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just to be "close" to her?

Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.

End of rant. Thanks for your support.

TFM®

TFM® > wrote in
. com:

> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.


Bloody hell!!!



>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.


Please give her my best.... and a little kiss wouldn't hurt, either ;-)


>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck
> to answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if
> it's someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."


LOL!!!

You should get her an answering machine for Christmas.... one where you
can turn the ringer volume off, and all calls go to the machine. Then
she can sort through them whenever she's feeling better.


>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage
> they caused earlier this week.



Christ, there's some incompetent butchers around!! We have our share
here, as well :-(


Tell her I'll have a couple glasses of bubbly this afternoon for her
rapid recovery from this latest saga.


And then, I'll have a couple slugs of Tequila for you ;-P


Do you have access to Christy's email??

Also, how'd you go with that TEN's machine thingy for your back??

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing.

Edmund Burke.

On Thu 20 Nov 2008 06:39:28p, TFM® told us...

>
>
> "CD" > wrote
>
>> thanks for the update.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> C.D.
>>
>>
>
> This is (I think) her favorite newsgroup. A lot of people here have
> been *MORE* than supportive. I think a lot of some of the regular
> posters. An occasional update doesn't break my back.
>
> What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with
> her?"
>
> Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be
> that pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow
> *any* visitor to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would
> be pointless for me to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just
> to be "close" to her?
>
> Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.
>
> End of rant. Thanks for your support.
>
> TFM®

Pay no attention to the idiots behind the curtain! No one could have a
more devoted, caring, and loving husband than Christy has in you.

They clearly don’t understand all the issues, and obviously don’t even get
it when you’ve already explained it.

Christy is in good hands, both in the hospital and when she’s with you.


--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
************************************************** **********************
Date: Thursday, 11(XI)/20(XX)/08(MMVIII)
************************************************** **********************
Countdown till U.S. Thanksgiving Day
6dys 5hrs 14mins
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He who lives by the sword laughs last.
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
5.250:

> On Thu 20 Nov 2008 06:39:28p, TFM® told us...
>
>>
>>
>> "CD" > wrote
>>
>>> thanks for the update.
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> C.D.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is (I think) her favorite newsgroup. A lot of people here have
>> been *MORE* than supportive. I think a lot of some of the regular
>> posters. An occasional update doesn't break my back.
>>
>> What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with
>> her?"
>>
>> Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it
>> be that pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't
>> allow *any* visitor to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that
>> it would be pointless for me to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa
>> overnight just to be "close" to her?
>>
>> Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.
>>
>> End of rant. Thanks for your support.
>>
>> TFM®
>
> Pay no attention to the idiots behind the curtain! No one could have
> a more devoted, caring, and loving husband than Christy has in you.
>
> They clearly don’t understand all the issues, and obviously don’t even
> get it when you’ve already explained it.
>
> Christy is in good hands, both in the hospital and when she’s with
> you.
>
>



I sincerely concur with what Wayne said.


Some people are just toooooooo stupid to understand.... and are beyond
help...... or even acknowledging that they exist.





--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing.

Edmund Burke.

TFM® wrote:

> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the
> doctors undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter
> hematoma from her left arm. When I held up two fingers approximately
> that distance apart, she said, "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean
> millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends. I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That
> way I know for sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck
> to answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if
> it's someone I don't want to talk to. "Aren't you going to answer
> that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage
> they caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®

Hurrah!

--
Dan Goodman
..sig under reconstruction

TFM® wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the
> doctors undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter
> hematoma from her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she
> said, "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean
> millimeters?"
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends. I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I
> know
> for sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck
> to answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if
> it's someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage
> they caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®


Thank you for the update. I've been rather busy with my concerns about my
mother but I still wish Christy all the best. I hope she continues to
improve.

I know all about medical mishaps. The hospital lost my mom's dentures (the
lower ones) even though they were in a red cup right next to her bed. I saw
them in that red cup, in her room. I specifically asked where her lower
plate was and they showed them to me. In the red denture cup.

When the ambulance transported her back home I got a bag of her stuff. It
contained the red denture cup - the empty red cup. WTF happened to her
lower plate?! They have no clue. I did get some guy's "hoodie" zip-up
sweatshirt, size Large, which certainly didn't belong to my mother.
Hospitals suck. The also lost (never recorded) her Healthcare POA and DNR
which I also handed over to them. It's ridiculous.

Jill

TFM® wrote:
>
>
> "CD" > wrote
>
>> thanks for the update.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> C.D.
>>
>>
>
> This is (I think) her favorite newsgroup. A lot of people here have
> been *MORE* than supportive. I think a lot of some of the regular
> posters. An occasional update doesn't break my back.
>
> What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with her?"
>
> Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be
> that pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow
> *any* visitor to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would
> be pointless for me to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just
> to be "close" to her?
>
> Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.
>
> End of rant. Thanks for your support.
>
> TFM®

Screw'm!

TFM® wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>

I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old
self! But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?

TFM® wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.



Poor Kili has certainly had more than her fair share of illness.

Get well wishes to her.

gloria p

TFM® wrote:


What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with
her?"

Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it
be that pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow
*any* visitor to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would
be pointless for me to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight
just to be "close" to her?

End of rant. Thanks for your support.

-----------

People say stoopid things without knowing any of the details, just to
have something to say. MOST of the time they aren't being malicious,
just thoughtless.

Ignore 'em. Forgive the stoopidity. It'll do you good.

gloria p

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:13:29 -0500, TFM®
> wrote:

>She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
>caused earlier this week.
>
>I will keep this group updated when I have news.

Thanks TFM! Give my love to her - and a big smooch when you get the
chance.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:39:28 -0500, TFM®
> wrote:

>What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with her?"
>
Was that via private email? If it was posted here - I missed it.

>Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be that
>pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow *any* visitor
>to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would be pointless for me
>to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just to be "close" to her?
>
>Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.

I haven't been in the hospital lately, but AFAIC nobody needs to baby
sit me while I'm there. It's boring enough being the one
incarcerated, why make someone else miserable too? Being connected by
phone is fine by me.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> TFM® wrote:
>> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
>> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>>
>
> I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old self!
> But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?

They damaged her veins to the point they had to do a PICC
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periphe...ntral_catheter

The first time she was in TGH, I saw this procedure done. A lot of work,
but the nurse pulled it off without a hitch and Christy barely flinched.

Then she was released and sent home a few days after that.
Barely home for a week, her PCP (primary care physician) called and said it
was urgent that she go to the ER at TGH and be admitted.
After she was admitted they attempted to do another PICC. I was not there
to witness the procedure this time. Evidently they used a small monkey on
crack. Her arm swelled up to almost the size of her leg and became
infected.

Realizing they had ****ed something up, they had that one pulled and went
straight into the carotid artery (I think).

When the arm situation got worse the next day, they pulled that jackass
maneuver of discharging her at night and sending her home in a cab. (Here's
where people start asking, "Why didn't you go pick her up?")

I have developed quite the cataract in my right eye. The one that had the
nail shot through it in 1991 or so.
I have 20/200 vision in that eye. Probably worse but that's as low as the
scale goes.
At any rate, it's physically not possible for me to drive in the dark. What
appears as a pinpoint of light to my left eye is a huge glowing orb in the
right. Oncoming headlights are especially fun!
I've been fitted with corrective lenses (glasses) that help a little in the
daylight, but do nothing at night. The doctor who examined me recommended
surgery first, but I simply can't afford it.

Back to Christy...
When she got home I took one look at her and said, "What the Hell did they
send you home for?"
She had no idea. When the sun came up the next morning I had her back in
the ER at a local hospital.
They kept her there all day doing X-rays and other tests. Then they sent
her back to TGH where they performed the surgery that saved her from
impending amputation.

Yes, there is a lawsuit in there somewhere. Any attorneys here?

So that's where we are.


TFM®

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:39:28 -0500, TFM®
> > wrote:
>
>>What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with
>>her?"
>>
> Was that via private email? If it was posted here - I missed it.

I couldn't tell you. Possibly email.
>
>>Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be
>>that
>>pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow *any*
>>visitor
>>to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would be pointless for
>>me
>>to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just to be "close" to her?
>>
>>Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.
>
> I haven't been in the hospital lately, but AFAIC nobody needs to baby
> sit me while I'm there. It's boring enough being the one
> incarcerated, why make someone else miserable too? Being connected by
> phone is fine by me.
>
>

It's not about being miserable, it's about having responsibilities other
than sitting in a hospital doing nothing but consuming air and taking up
space.
But thanks for understanding.

TFM®
> --
> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>
> Mae West

"TFM®" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
> "CD" > wrote
>
>> thanks for the update.
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> C.D.
>>
>>
>
> This is (I think) her favorite newsgroup. A lot of people here have been
> *MORE* than supportive. I think a lot of some of the regular posters. An
> occasional update doesn't break my back.
>
> What does bother me is the many who say, "Why aren't you staying with
> her?"
>
> Could it be the 5 animals we have at home to take care of? Could it be
> that pesky job I have? Could it be the fact that TGH doesn't allow *any*
> visitor to stay past 8 p.m.? Could it be the fact that it would be
> pointless for me to stay in a hotel in downtown Tampa overnight just to be
> "close" to her?
>
> Those in this group who've been in a hospital lately may understand.
>
> End of rant. Thanks for your support.
>
> TFM® Hang in there Allan. I know how hard it is to balance this type of
> situation. Give her my love and hugs to you too....Sharon in Canada

TFM® wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma
> from her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said,
> "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends.
> I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I know for
> sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
> answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
> someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
> caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®
>
Please tell Kili that my thoughts are with her, and I hope she is
feeling better and gets home soon.

--
Jean B.

On Nov 20, 8:13*pm, TFM® > wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors undid
> what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma from
> her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said, "No!
> 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. *She's far from tip-top
> condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. *(You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. *She needs rest. *When she is home again,
> I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her friends.
> I don't even call her. *I wait for her to call me. *That way I know for sure
> she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. *She'll break her neck to
> answer it. *It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
> someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
> caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> TFM®

Will she be in long enough to receive cards and letters?

maxine in ri

TFM® wrote:
> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma
> from her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said,
> "No! 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from
> tip-top condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home
> again, I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her
> friends.
> I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I know for
> sure she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
> answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
> someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
> caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®
>
>
>

OMG. I just got back from our long trip to Europe and didn't even know
she was so ill.

Please tell her that Janet from Texas will keep her in her thoughts and
prayers.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:46:44 -0500, TFM®
> wrote:

>
>
>"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
.. .
>> TFM® wrote:
>>> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
>>> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>>>
>>
>> I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old self!
>> But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?
>
>They damaged her veins to the point they had to do a PICC
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periphe...ntral_catheter
>
>The first time she was in TGH, I saw this procedure done. A lot of work,
>but the nurse pulled it off without a hitch and Christy barely flinched.
>
>Then she was released and sent home a few days after that.
>Barely home for a week, her PCP (primary care physician) called and said it
>was urgent that she go to the ER at TGH and be admitted.
>After she was admitted they attempted to do another PICC. I was not there
>to witness the procedure this time. Evidently they used a small monkey on
>crack. Her arm swelled up to almost the size of her leg and became
>infected.
>
>Realizing they had ****ed something up, they had that one pulled and went
>straight into the carotid artery (I think).
>
>When the arm situation got worse the next day, they pulled that jackass
>maneuver of discharging her at night and sending her home in a cab. (Here's
>where people start asking, "Why didn't you go pick her up?")
>
>I have developed quite the cataract in my right eye. The one that had the
>nail shot through it in 1991 or so.
>I have 20/200 vision in that eye. Probably worse but that's as low as the
>scale goes.
>At any rate, it's physically not possible for me to drive in the dark. What
>appears as a pinpoint of light to my left eye is a huge glowing orb in the
>right. Oncoming headlights are especially fun!
>I've been fitted with corrective lenses (glasses) that help a little in the
>daylight, but do nothing at night. The doctor who examined me recommended
>surgery first, but I simply can't afford it.
>
>Back to Christy...
>When she got home I took one look at her and said, "What the Hell did they
>send you home for?"
>She had no idea. When the sun came up the next morning I had her back in
>the ER at a local hospital.
>They kept her there all day doing X-rays and other tests. Then they sent
>her back to TGH where they performed the surgery that saved her from
>impending amputation.

Okay, I am more than a little confused about how many PICCs she
got...and exactly what happend..but that's okay. I am often this
way...LOL.

Sorry to hear that she has had such a rough time. Next time, tell her
to ask for a neonatal nurse to put one in...we can get into the worst
veins...

Give her my love.

And you take care too.

Christine

In article > ,
TFM® > wrote:

> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors undid
> what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>
> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma from
> her left arm.
> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said, "No!
> 8 Centimeters!"
>
> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean millimeters?"
>
> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>
> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from tip-top
> condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>
> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>
> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home again,
> I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her friends.
> I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I know for sure
> she's receptive to a phone call.
>
> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
> answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
> someone I don't want to talk to.
> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>
> "Nope."
>
> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
> caused earlier this week.
>
> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
>
> TFM®
>
>

Thanks for the update sweetie. :-)

When she e-mailed me/us a few days ago, I was really worried about her!
She'd made it sound pretty dire.

<HUGS!!!>
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> Sorry to hear that she has had such a rough time. Next time, tell her
> to ask for a neonatal nurse to put one in...we can get into the worst
> veins...
>
> Give her my love.
>
> And you take care too.
>
> Christine

Scalp veins Christine? <g>

Did not know you were neonatal. Too cool!
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

In article > ,
"Peter-Lucas" > wrote:

> Also, how'd you go with that TEN's machine thingy for your back??
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

Or did he get a chance to try it?

I love my EMS unit.
--
Peace! Om

"Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them." -- Dalai Lama

In article > ,
TFM® > wrote:


> I have developed quite the cataract in my right eye. The one that had the
> nail shot through it in 1991 or so.
> I have 20/200 vision in that eye. Probably worse but that's as low as the
> scale goes.

I've had *way* too much experience with cataract. For youngsters like
you and I, it is often due to eye injury. Since I don't remember any
eye injury, and I've had it in both eyes, I don't know what my excuse is.

20/200 is pretty much blind. Sounds like you only see out of one eye.

> At any rate, it's physically not possible for me to drive in the dark. What
> appears as a pinpoint of light to my left eye is a huge glowing orb in the
> right. Oncoming headlights are especially fun!

Yup, that's how it works. It's like one of those slanty rear windows in
a car. It doesn't matter how dirty it is, you can see out of it. Until
the sun hits it. Then you can't see a thing. The sun reflecting every
which way off the dirt completely overwhelms the image. A cataract
works the same way.

> I've been fitted with corrective lenses (glasses) that help a little in the
> daylight, but do nothing at night. The doctor who examined me recommended
> surgery first, but I simply can't afford it.

Glasses do very little for mature cataract (that's what they call them
when they get old and bad). Mostly cataract blocks and distorts the
image. There is a slight change in prescription, and glasses will fix
that, but it's hardly worthwhile.

The only fix is surgery. It's about 15 minutes, or about 2 hours with
the prep and recovery. I don't know about the cost. My first was
US$1.00, my second was either free or they just forgot to charge. For
the second, I estimate US$50 for copays and medicine before and after
the surgery. My HMO is pretty good at paying for things.

Anyway, I've got the fix for you. It's simple, easy and cheap. I
suspect that you aren't seeing out of your bad eye anyway, so just buy a
patch. I've done this before, for a similar reason. You would only
wear it when you need it (they aren't very comfortable).

http://www.longs.com/cgi-bin/longs/p...tail.jsp?BV_Se
@@@@&BV_EngineID= ccceadefkfjkfhgceefcemf
dfjldfgi.0&iProductOID=96744

They are available at most drugstores for a few bucks. They are mostly
worn by people who can't sleep with light in their eyes, but work nights
and sleep during the day.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri 21 Nov 2008 04:46:44a, TFM® told us...

>
>
> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
>> TFM® wrote:
>>> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
>>> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>>>
>>
>> I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old
>> self! But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?
>
> They damaged her veins to the point they had to do a PICC
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periphe...ntral_catheter
>
> The first time she was in TGH, I saw this procedure done. A lot of
> work, but the nurse pulled it off without a hitch and Christy barely
> flinched.
>
> Then she was released and sent home a few days after that.
> Barely home for a week, her PCP (primary care physician) called and said
> it was urgent that she go to the ER at TGH and be admitted.
> After she was admitted they attempted to do another PICC. I was not
> there to witness the procedure this time. Evidently they used a small
> monkey on crack. Her arm swelled up to almost the size of her leg and
> became infected.
>
> Realizing they had ****ed something up, they had that one pulled and
> went straight into the carotid artery (I think).
>
> When the arm situation got worse the next day, they pulled that jackass
> maneuver of discharging her at night and sending her home in a cab.
> (Here's where people start asking, "Why didn't you go pick her up?")
>
> I have developed quite the cataract in my right eye. The one that had
> the nail shot through it in 1991 or so.
> I have 20/200 vision in that eye. Probably worse but that's as low as
> the scale goes.
> At any rate, it's physically not possible for me to drive in the dark.
> What appears as a pinpoint of light to my left eye is a huge glowing orb
> in the right. Oncoming headlights are especially fun!
> I've been fitted with corrective lenses (glasses) that help a little in
> the daylight, but do nothing at night. The doctor who examined me
> recommended surgery first, but I simply can't afford it.
>
> Back to Christy...
> When she got home I took one look at her and said, "What the Hell did
> they send you home for?"
> She had no idea. When the sun came up the next morning I had her back
> in the ER at a local hospital.
> They kept her there all day doing X-rays and other tests. Then they
> sent her back to TGH where they performed the surgery that saved her
> from impending amputation.
>
> Yes, there is a lawsuit in there somewhere. Any attorneys here?
>
> So that's where we are.
>
>
> TFM®
>

Good Grief! I had no idea how much they bungled the job, much less how
much damage and misery they caused. I’m so sorry!



--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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"maxine in ri" > wrote in message
...
> On Nov 20, 8:13 pm, TFM® > wrote:
>> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
>> undid
>> what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>>
>> Christy told me they proclaimed they'd removed an 8 centimeter hematoma
>> from
>> her left arm.
>> When I held up two fingers approximately that distance apart, she said,
>> "No!
>> 8 Centimeters!"
>>
>> I then closed my fingers together and said, "I guess you mean
>> millimeters?"
>>
>> She was adamant that they told her it was 8 centimeters.
>>
>> At any rate, she was actually able to laugh today. She's far from tip-top
>> condition, but I think she's on the right road.
>>
>> Thanks to all you decent people. (You know who you are)
>> The rest of you may engage me on other newsgroups.
>>
>> Do Not Call her with well wishes. She needs rest. When she is home again,
>> I'm certain she will share the details of her ordeal with her friends.
>> I don't even call her. I wait for her to call me. That way I know for
>> sure
>> she's receptive to a phone call.
>>
>> She has OCD when it comes to a ringing phone. She'll break her neck to
>> answer it. It even perturbs her when I don't answer my phone if it's
>> someone I don't want to talk to.
>> "Aren't you going to answer that!?"
>>
>> "Nope."
>>
>> She's got a long way to go, but at least they've undone the damage they
>> caused earlier this week.
>>
>> I will keep this group updated when I have news.
>>
>> Thanks for your understanding.
>>
>> TFM®
>
> Will she be in long enough to receive cards and letters?


If not, they're good about forwarding mail here.

TFM®

TFM® wrote:
>
>
> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
>> TFM® wrote:
>>> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the
>>> doctors undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
>>>
>>
>> I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old
>> self! But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?
>
> They damaged her veins to the point they had to do a PICC
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periphe...ntral_catheter
>

Thanks. I know what PICC lines are.



> The first time she was in TGH, I saw this procedure done. A lot of
> work, but the nurse pulled it off without a hitch and Christy barely
> flinched.
>
> Then she was released and sent home a few days after that.
> Barely home for a week, her PCP (primary care physician) called and said
> it was urgent that she go to the ER at TGH and be admitted.
> After she was admitted they attempted to do another PICC. I was not
> there to witness the procedure this time. Evidently they used a small
> monkey on crack. Her arm swelled up to almost the size of her leg and
> became infected.
>

Sounds like she developed a thrombophlebitis, a common problem with
indwelling venous access. Before you blame the entire nursing staff,
remember that PICCs nothing like ordinary IVs and nurses have to be
certified to place them. Not just anybody in the nursing staff could
have inserted it, so don't condemn the whole group for it. "What the
nurses so dangerously bungled" is not the case at all.



> Realizing they had ****ed something up, they had that one pulled and
> went straight into the carotid artery (I think).

It's more likely they did a subclavian, but they might have done a
jugular. The carotid is an artery. They'll avoid placing IV access there
at all costs.



> When the arm situation got worse the next day, they pulled that jackass
> maneuver of discharging her at night and sending her home in a cab.

I hate hospitals. You don't know how passionately I hate hospitals,
expressly because they pull stunts like that one.



> (Here's where people start asking, "Why didn't you go pick her up?")

No problem here. I know intimately how difficult driving at night is.



> Back to Christy...
> When she got home I took one look at her and said, "What the Hell did
> they send you home for?"
> She had no idea. When the sun came up the next morning I had her back
> in the ER at a local hospital.

You should have called 911 and had her transported right back to the
hospital that discharged her. Oooooo, but they hate it from a liability
management standpoint when that happens and they would have moved heaven
and earth to do damage control. You would have had them wrapped around
your finger.



> They kept her there all day doing X-rays and other tests. Then they
> sent her back to TGH where they performed the surgery that saved her
> from impending amputation.
>
> Yes, there is a lawsuit in there somewhere. Any attorneys here?
>
> So that's where we are.

Other than the precipitous nighttime discharge and return to the
hospital the next morning, you probably don't have a case for a lawsuit.
Before the PICC insertion, one of you signed informed consent in which
the risks and benefits of the procedure were explained. The increased
chance of phlebitis, thrombus formation, embolus, infection and
peripheral circulatory compromise were very likely delineated there, as
well as the dangers to the entire pulmocardiovascular system.

But, she's better now. With luck, she'll never set foot into one of
those places again.

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:46 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
>> Sorry to hear that she has had such a rough time. Next time, tell her
>> to ask for a neonatal nurse to put one in...we can get into the worst
>> veins...
>>
>> Give her my love.
>>
>> And you take care too.
>>
>> Christine
>
>Scalp veins Christine? <g>
>
>Did not know you were neonatal. Too cool!

I am pretty sure that I told you I was a neonatal RN. After all, we
were talking bout RSV, and such, and I know I had asked you at one
point about the hospital where you worked, and if it had a neonatal
unit. That was when I was traveling...

But yes, I am a neonatal ICU RN.

And we start IVs, PICCs (not me personally yet, but I want to take the
PICC line insertion course) on the tiniest veins..those of the
micropremies.

Christine

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> TFM® wrote:

>> Yes, there is a lawsuit in there somewhere. Any attorneys here?
>>
>> So that's where we are.
>
> Other than the precipitous nighttime discharge and return to the hospital
> the next morning, you probably don't have a case for a lawsuit.

Well golly Gee, what did you think I was talking about?

TFM®

TFM® wrote:
>
>
> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
>> TFM® wrote:
>
>>> Yes, there is a lawsuit in there somewhere. Any attorneys here?
>>>
>>> So that's where we are.
>>
>> Other than the precipitous nighttime discharge and return to the
>> hospital the next morning, you probably don't have a case for a lawsuit.
>
> Well golly Gee, what did you think I was talking about?

Sorry. I thought you were talking primarily about the PICC line insertion.

It's sad but true that any care facility can discharge any stable
patient at any time as long as that patient has someplace to go and
discharge teaching is done and documented.

In article >,
Pennyaline > wrote:

> But, she's better now. With luck, she'll never set foot into one of
> those places again.

Absolutely.

Nothing scares me off being in the hospital more than working in one...
--
Peace! Om

"All People and things are interdependent. The world has become so small that no nation can solve its problems alone, in isolation from others. That is why I believe we must all cultivate a sense of responsibility based on love and compassion for each other." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:46 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > Christine Dabney > wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry to hear that she has had such a rough time. Next time, tell her
> >> to ask for a neonatal nurse to put one in...we can get into the worst
> >> veins...
> >>
> >> Give her my love.
> >>
> >> And you take care too.
> >>
> >> Christine
> >
> >Scalp veins Christine? <g>
> >
> >Did not know you were neonatal. Too cool!
>
> I am pretty sure that I told you I was a neonatal RN. After all, we
> were talking bout RSV, and such, and I know I had asked you at one
> point about the hospital where you worked, and if it had a neonatal
> unit. That was when I was traveling...

Mea Culpa. I guess I just forgot!
>
> But yes, I am a neonatal ICU RN.

David Cohen from m.f.w. is a pediatric ICU RN.
You and he would hit it off famously. <g> He's in Las Vegas.

>
> And we start IVs, PICCs (not me personally yet, but I want to take the
> PICC line insertion course) on the tiniest veins..those of the
> micropremies.
>
> Christine

Yeesh. When I worked for Scott and White in Temple, I got to collect
blood samples from some of those premies.

They look like toys.
--
Peace! Om

"All People and things are interdependent. The world has become so small that no nation can solve its problems alone, in isolation from others. That is why I believe we must all cultivate a sense of responsibility based on love and compassion for each other." -- Dalai Lama

"Peter-Lucas" > wrote

> Do you have access to Christy's email??

Yes, why?

>
> Also, how'd you go with that TEN's machine thingy for your back??

Honestly I never followed through on Om's suggestion. Should have, but
didn't.

TFM®

In article > ,
TFM® > wrote:

> "Pennyaline" > wrote in message
> ...
> > TFM® wrote:
> >> ...Feeling much better since she was readmitted to TGH and the doctors
> >> undid what the nurses so dangerously bungled last time.
> >>
> >
> > I am glad that she's feeling better and will soon be back to her old self!
> > But, what did I miss? What did the nurses so dangerously bungle?
>
> They damaged her veins to the point they had to do a PICC
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periphe...ntral_catheter
>
Long sad story snipped

I hope Kili is on the mend. Sending good thoughts her way...

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

In article > ,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> Omelet >
> news > rec.food.cooking
>
>
> > Yeesh. When I worked for Scott and White in Temple, I got to collect
> > blood samples from some of those premies.
> >
> > They look like toys.
>
> Don't they just... The high risk babies always amaze me. They are so tiny.
> Little bitty hands and feet. I always marvel at them when I see them, which
> is not very often.
>
My first week working at UT-Southwestern, I was taken past the NICU at
Parkland. Years later, I used to take my dietetic interns to visit the
NICU at Women's Hospital in Greensboro. One year there was a baby who
was born weighing 365 g (that's about 12 ounces). Her crib was next to
the window. Every so often her little leg would kick up, and it was
about the size of my index figure. Last I knew, the baby grew to be a
healthy girl. Talk about a miracle...

So Christine, any chance you'll be considering a stint in the Swedish
NICU in the near future?

Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

TFM® > wrote in news:49283bd7$0$32529
:

>
>
> "Peter-Lucas" > wrote
>
>> Do you have access to Christy's email??
>
> Yes, why?


I'll shoot an email to it...... as I don't have yours :-)


>
>>
>> Also, how'd you go with that TEN's machine thingy for your back??
>
> Honestly I never followed through on Om's suggestion. Should have, but
> didn't.
>
> TFM®
>
>



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

You will travel through the valley of rejection;
you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home,
though it will not be where you left it.