"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
>> need to buy a new refrigerator. I don't think it's necessary to provide a
>> refrigerator when you're selling a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty
>> much a place where retirees move. It's not like some 20-somethings (who
>> have absolutely nothing to their name) are going to buy the house.
>> People who move here are pretty well set and they probably have their own
>> appliances. It's not outside the realm of possiblity to throw in the
>> washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell the house. But I don't
>> think we should have to provide one. What are your thoughts?
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I agree. If the fridge is less than 20 years old, I'd leave it and agree
> to replace it only if it was a deal closer to a serious buyer.
>
> FWIW, when my late inlaws (second marriage for both) died off, his son
> insisted we had to spend $10-15K having all the wallpaper stripped in
> their beautiful traditional CT Valley colonial home and paint everything
> white because his friend, a realtor, said so. I maintained that anyone
> looking at that house in that neighborhood wouldn't be put off by very
> classic wallpaper. The house sold in less than a week with the original
> wallpaper, to a couple who pretty much gutted the place (including the
> original custom kitchen cabinets) and redid it to THEIR taste, which
> included dark wallpaper and dark paint. It would have been a complete
> waste to have covered everything in white.
>
> The same goes for carpeting. If you must, include a carpeting allowance
> to sweeten the deal, but for goodness sake don't re-carpet unless the old
> carpet is badly trashed. Carpet color is a very individual choice.
>
> Good luck in selling the house. Retirement and recreation areas don't
> seem to be feeling the housing pinch like both modest homes and McMansions
> are. They are still selling $12m condos in Vail. SLowly,
> but surely.
>

Perhaps Jill and her brother might consider waiting a while before tackling
issues of this nature. There hasn't even been a funeral yet. Surely their
minds and hearts are clouded now by deep grief.

On Nov 25, 10:49*am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. *He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. *It didn't come with a refrigerator. *I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling a
> house. *Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move. *It's
> not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their name) are
> going to buy the house. *People who move here are pretty well set and they
> probably have their own appliances. *It's not outside the realm of
> possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell
> the house. *But I don't think we should have to provide one. *What are your
> thoughts?

I've bought three houses. The first two didn't come with a fridge,
the third did.
(I tell a lie. The first house came with a 40-year-old "beer fridge"
in the basement.
Also an old deep freeze that had to be cut in pieces to be removed
after it died.)

We left the fridge when we sold the first house, but I can't recall
the circumstances.

The buyers of our second house didn't want the fridge (they had their
own), so we
took the one we had purchased for that house and it's now our beer
fridge.

There's my data point.

Cindy Hamilton

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
"jmcquown" wrote:
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell
> _this house_ we need to buy a new refrigerator. �
> He and I were roommates in the 1980's and we *rented* a house. �
> It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.

What's "this house"? And what do you mean by "we rented"... did you
pay rent or did you collect rent?

My brother and I rented a house in the 1980's. We were roommates. The
rental house didn't come with a refrigerator, just a stove and built-in
dishwasher. So I bought a refrigerator.

I took it with me when I moved to an apartment after he got married. I got
money off the monthly rent for providing my own fridge. When it finally
gave up the ghost the apartment complex moved mine out and put one of their
own in.

Most people don't move their appliances unless they're very high end.


It's not outside the realm of
> possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we
> sell
> the house. �

You're not "throwing it in", if there's an obvious space for an
appliance then the appliance should be present.


I've never see a house that didn't have a space for a refrigerator. Doesn't
mean we have to run out and buy a new one, at least not to my way of
thinking. People should be able to pick out their own appliances. But
thanks for giving your opinion; I did ask

Jill

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
On Nov 25, 9:49 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.

Do what is the usual and customary thing to do in your real estate
market.

N.


I'll be meeting with the realtor next week. Other than that I have no idea
what is "customary" for this market. I'm not from here

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator.

Here's my understanding of the law in the US (I am neither a lawyer nor
experienced in real estate):

1. If it's attached to the house, then it's part of the sale. If you
unscrew something and take it with you, the buyer can sue and will win.

2. If it's not attached, then it isn't part of the sale. A
refrigerator that plugs in is not attached to the house.

3. If an item is specifically mentioned in the sales contract signed by
both the buyer and the seller, the rules above don't apply. If the
buyer wants the fridge in a house for some reason (maybe it's puke green
and matches all the other built in appliances), that can be negotiated.
It works the other way. I have known people who were very attached to
light fixtures, and excluded them from the sale, even though they were a
part of the house.

Of course, if you have a knowledgeable real estate agent, and they say
that you will have trouble selling the house or you'll get tens of
thousands of dollars less if you don't do XYZ, that's another
consideration.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
>> need to buy a new refrigerator. I don't think it's necessary to provide a
>> refrigerator when you're selling a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty
>> much a place where retirees move. It's not like some 20-somethings (who
>> have absolutely nothing to their name) are going to buy the house.
>> People who move here are pretty well set and they probably have their own
>> appliances. It's not outside the realm of possiblity to throw in the
>> washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell the house. But I don't
>> think we should have to provide one. What are your thoughts?
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I agree. If the fridge is less than 20 years old, I'd leave it and agree
> to replace it only if it was a deal closer to a serious buyer.
>
> The same goes for carpeting. If you must, include a carpeting allowance
> to sweeten the deal, but for goodness sake don't re-carpet unless the old
> carpet is badly trashed. Carpet color is a very individual choice.
>
The carpeting is in horrible shape. My parents were both heavy smokers. I
have absolutely no idea why they thought *white* carpeting was a good idea!
Especially since my father was a golfer and was forever tracking dirt in.
I'll have it professionally cleaned and see if that helps. But whoever buys
will most likely need to have it replaced.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> I'll be meeting with the realtor next week. Other than that I have no
> idea what is "customary" for this market. I'm not from here
>
> Jill

That is the best thing to do, talk to a realtor and get their advice.
I would make very few changes in the house. For example, I would offer a
5K carpet allowance, instead of replacing the carpet. This way, people
can choose whatever flooring they want, and they will keep their eye
focused on that 5K. It will help, if they are comparing your house with
another one. Houses sell easier, when they are empty. Ask the realtor
if they can recommend someone to do an estate sale.

You have your hands full, Jill.

Becca

"George" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> George wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> Hey, how close is the house to Charleston?
>>
>>
>> It's about 125 miles south of Charleston. About 13 miles outside of
>> Beaufort.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Email me an address and pic if you got one. My brother and SIL and looking
> to SC withing the next year and they are starting to look at houses.


I'm afraid I don't have any current photos of the house. I haven't had a
chance to figure out how to work my new digital camera yet. Shoot me an
email and I should be able to take some photos in a week or so when things
settle down. Oh, I took these some years ago. It will give you some idea
of the inside layout:

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...81795269FvJzGH

Jill

jmcquown > wrote:

> What are your thoughts?

Do you really want to know?

-sw

"jmcquown" wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote
> "jmcquown" �wrote:
> >
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell
> > _this house_ �we need to buy a new refrigerator.

> What's "this house"? �

You refuse to answer, why?


> I've never see a house that didn't have a space for a refrigerator. �Doesn't
> mean we have to run out and buy a new one, at least not to my way of
> thinking. �


I never said you have to supply new, what's wrong with the one already
there?

> People should be able to pick out their own appliances. �

Yes, if it's a brand new house, then they can negotiate with the
builder. builders will give an allowance on appliances, flooring, bath
fixtures, lighting fixtures, many items. With resales it's an "as
is" deal, but as a matter of full disclosure things have to work or
are negotiated into the sale price, that's the law.

> But thanks for giving your opinion; I did ask

Jill, when you sell a house you sell it with working appliances, and
if you attempt any manipulative cheapskate shananigans it'll cost you
triple later... Jill, suck it up and do the right thing. And don't
blame your brother.... that's all hear say anyway, he's not here, I
can't interrogate him in open court like I can you. Once again,
what's "this house"?

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> What are your thoughts?
>
> Do you really want to know?
>

No, Steve.

"jmcquown" wrote:
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> >> need to buy a new refrigerator. I don't think it's necessary to provide a
> >> refrigerator when you're selling a house. �Just an FYI, this is pretty
> >> much a place where retirees move. �It's not like some 20-somethings (who
> >> have absolutely nothing to their name) are going to buy the house.
> >> People who move here are pretty well set and they probably have their own
> >> appliances. �It's not outside the realm of possiblity to throw in the
> >> washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell the house. �But I don't
> >> think we should have to provide one. �What are your thoughts?
>
> >> Jill
>
> > I agree. �If the fridge is less than 20 years old, I'd leave it and agree
> > to replace it only if it was a deal closer to a serious buyer.


Nonsence... serious buyers don't give a rat's b-hind about your old
crap... there are no resales that the sale is based one iota on
appliances.... it's an old house, no serious person is going to expect
any new applainces/decor

> > The same goes for carpeting. �If you must, include a carpeting allowance
> > to sweeten the deal, but for goodness sake don't re-carpet unless the old
> > carpet is badly trashed. �Carpet color is a very individual choice.
>
> The carpeting is in horrible shape. �My parents were both heavy smokers. �I
> have absolutely no idea why they thought *white* carpeting was a good idea!
> Especially since my father was a golfer and was forever tracking dirt in.
> I'll have it professionally cleaned and see if that helps. �But whoever buys
> will most likely need to have it replaced.


They'll replace carpeting regardless... just have it professionally
cleaned. Don't do any remodeling, don't strip wallpaper, don't
paint. Make sure all the mechanicals work and the roof doesn't leak.
Sell it as is... have the entire house professionally cleaned... the
windows should sparkle, no burned out light bulbs, full rolls of TP,
be sure the outside is neat and well trimmed. No one looks closely
at appliances, they wouldn't know what they're looking at anyway... so
it's a fridge, yes it's a friggin' fridge, who cares so long as it's
got ice in the freezer.

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
"jmcquown" wrote:
> "Sheldon" wrote
> "jmcquown" �wrote:
> >
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell
> > _this house_ �we need to buy a new refrigerator.

> What's "this house"? �

You refuse to answer, why?


> I've never see a house that didn't have a space for a refrigerator.
> �Doesn't
> mean we have to run out and buy a new one, at least not to my way of
> thinking. �


I never said you have to supply new, what's wrong with the one already
there?

> People should be able to pick out their own appliances. �

Yes, if it's a brand new house, then they can negotiate with the
builder. builders will give an allowance on appliances, flooring, bath
fixtures, lighting fixtures, many items. With resales it's an "as
is" deal, but as a matter of full disclosure things have to work or
are negotiated into the sale price, that's the law.

> But thanks for giving your opinion; I did ask

Jill, when you sell a house you sell it with working appliances, and
if you attempt any manipulative cheapskate shananigans it'll cost you
triple later... Jill, suck it up and do the right thing. And don't
blame your brother.... that's all hear say anyway, he's not here, I
can't interrogate him in open court like I can you. Once again,
what's "this house"?


I did answer. You didn't read my reply to you. There's nothing wrong with
the existing refrigerator. That's why I think his suggestion we buy a new
one is nuts. "This house" in my initial post was one my brother and I
shared. We were roommates and we rented a house. The house we rented
didn't come with a refrigerator; I bought one.

Jill

On Nov 25, 5:29�pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> "jmcquown" wrote:
> > "Sheldon" wrote
> > "jmcquown" wrote:
>
> > > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell
> > > _this house_ we need to buy a new refrigerator.
> > What's "this house"?
>
> You refuse to answer, why?
>
> > I've never see a house that didn't have a space for a refrigerator.
> > Doesn't
> > mean we have to run out and buy a new one, at least not to my way of
> > thinking.
>
> I never said you have to supply new, what's wrong with the one already
> there?
>
> > People should be able to pick out their own appliances.
>
> Yes, if it's a brand new house, then they can negotiate with the
> builder. builders will give an allowance on appliances, flooring, bath
> fixtures, �lighting fixtures, many items. �With resales it's an "as
> is" deal, but as a matter of full disclosure things have to work or
> are negotiated into the sale price, that's the law.
>
> > But thanks for giving your opinion; I did ask
>
> Jill, when you sell a house you sell it with working appliances, and
> if you attempt any manipulative cheapskate shananigans it'll cost you
> triple later... Jill, suck it up and do the right thing. �And don't
> blame your brother.... that's all hear say anyway, he's not here, I
> can't interrogate him in open court like I can you. �Once again,
> what's "this house"?
>
> I did answer. �You didn't read my reply to you. �There's nothing wrong with
> the existing refrigerator. �That's why I think his suggestion we buy a new
> one is nuts. �"This house" in my initial post was one my brother and I
> shared. �We were roommates and we rented a house. �The house we rented
> didn't come with a refrigerator; I bought one.
>
> Jill

You're not making any sense, you cannot sell a house you're renting.
unless you're a scam artist.

I thought you lived alone, in your own rental... I never read anything
about you living in a rental with your brother.

On Nov 25, 4:29�pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >> George wrote:
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>> Hey, how close is the house to Charleston?
>
> >> It's about 125 miles south of Charleston. �About 13 miles outside of
> >> Beaufort.
>
> >> Jill
>
> > Email me an address and pic if you got one. My brother and SIL and looking
> > to SC withing the next year and they are starting to look at houses.
>
> I'm afraid I don't have any current photos of the house. �I haven't had a
> chance to figure out how to work my new digital camera yet. �Shoot me an
> email and I should be able to take some photos in a week or so when things
> settle down. �Oh, I took these some years ago. �It will give you some idea
> of the inside layout:
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...81795269FvJzGH
>
> Jill

Where's all that white carpeting???

cybercat wrote:
>>
>
> Perhaps Jill and her brother might consider waiting a while before tackling
> issues of this nature. There hasn't even been a funeral yet. Surely their
> minds and hearts are clouded now by deep grief.
>
>

Jill has been at her parents' house, far away from her home, for many
months now. As far as I know, neither brother lives nearby. This is
something they need to settle ASAP regardless of grief issues so that
they can all go home soon after the funeral.

This isn't a case of everyone living in the same town where they grew
up. It's far-flung family members that have lost both parents in a
short time and need to pick up the pieces and move on. Grief will
always lurk; it won't go away if they manage to ignore it for a few days
while they take care of business.

gloria p

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> What are your thoughts?
>
> Jill

Don't replace the refrigerator, you'll be wasting your money. Unless it's a
first time homebuyer who needs the appliances and can't afford new ones
after saving up for the downpayment, most buyers have attachments to their
current appliances and will want to bring their old ones with or buy brand
new. If they want them included, they'll write an addendum with their
purchase agreement specifying their inclusion in the sale. Nobody is going
to buy the house just because it comes with a brand new fridge, even if it
is their "dream" fridge, and definitely not if the stove and dishwasher (if
there is one) don't match as well. Carpeting, wallpaper removal and
repainting may or may not increase the selling value enough to justify the
work over selling it "as-is". $5000 worth of work might only increase the
value $2000. An experienced Realtor in the area should be able to tell you
whether it would be worth it or not to make some simple changes, and if so,
which ones. I'd definitely get more than one Realtor's opinion, however.
If you sell it as-is, definitely offer a carpet and redecorating allowance.
Why should my opinion count? I'm a Realtor.

Jinx

On Nov 25, 3:10*pm, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> > need to buy a new refrigerator. *He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> > we *rented* a house. *It didn't come with a refrigerator. *I bought one.
>
> > I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> > a house. *Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> > It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> > name) are going to buy the house. *People who move here are pretty well
> > set and they probably have their own appliances. *It's not outside the
> > realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> > when we sell the house. *But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> > What are your thoughts?
>
> > Jill
>
> Don't replace the refrigerator, you'll be wasting your money. *Unless it's a
> first time homebuyer who needs the appliances and can't afford new ones
> after saving up for the downpayment, most buyers have attachments to their
> current appliances and will want to bring their old ones with or buy brand
> new. *If they want them included, they'll write an addendum with their
> purchase agreement specifying their inclusion in the sale. *Nobody is going
> to buy the house just because it comes with a brand new fridge, even if it
> is their "dream" fridge, and definitely not if the stove and dishwasher (if
> there is one) don't match as well. *Carpeting, wallpaper removal and
> repainting may or may not increase the selling value enough to justify the
> work over selling it "as-is". *$5000 worth of work might only increase the
> value $2000. *An experienced Realtor in the area should be able to tell you
> whether it would be worth it or not to make some simple changes, and if so,
> which ones. * * I'd definitely get more than one Realtor's opinion, however.
> If you sell it as-is, definitely offer a carpet and redecorating allowance.
> Why should my opinion count? *I'm a Realtor.
>
> Jinx

Good advice!

cybercat > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> What are your thoughts?
>>
>> Do you really want to know?
>
> No, Steve.

That question wasn't directed at you.

-sw

Sheldon wrote:

> Nope, you call in a carpet cleaning/steaming company, for under $200
> they'll make the carpet in every room look practically new... new
> carpeting with installation is expensive and often the new people
> won't like what you chose so will replace it.

Yep. People move into a new house and more often than not they do all
the remodelling either before moving in or shortly after. They change
the carpeting, paint the walls, hang new wall paper, change the curtains
and lights. Painting and cleaning up may help sell teh house faster but
it doesn't get you any extra money.

"jmcquown" wrote

> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> a

Not needed. Leave the old one there if it seems good. Be sure the contract
says appliances 'as they are'. (No warentee they will work a day later).

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Do you really want to know?
>>
>> No, Steve.
>
> That question wasn't directed at you.
>
I know. I am telling you, Jill does not want to know your thoughts.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Do you really want to know?
>>
>> No, Steve.
>
> That question wasn't directed at you.
>

What is wrong with your mind? Hmm?

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> I live in an apartment; I don't need a refrigerator It wouldn't fit in
> my tiny kitchen anyway. The brother who suggested this built a house a few
> years ago so he's got a pretty new refrigerator. I think we should just
> offer this one with the house when we sell it. (Washer & dryer, too.) I'm
> just saying I don't see the need to buy a new one in order to sell the
> house. Maybe I'm wrong.

Personally, I'd find it easier to leave all the major appliances.
Removal, transportation and reinstallation is to much for this old guy.
Not having to do it would be well worth the price of the fridge or at
least the fridges I'm apt to buy.
But if your brother wants it, he should exclusively deal with it.

leo

Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
>
>
> Personally, I'd find it easier to leave all the major appliances.
> Removal, transportation and reinstallation is to much for this old guy.
> Not having to do it would be well worth the price of the fridge or at
> least the fridges I'm apt to buy.
> But if your brother wants it, he should exclusively deal with it.

I would think that the decision would be up to the executor of the
estate. Input .... and help.. from the family should be welcomed. But I
just don't see the point in getting rid of the old fridge and installing
a new one. It is a money loser. The old one can be thrown in on the deal
if it is a functional fridge. If the buyer wants a new fridge and is
going to be paying for it then he/she is going to want to choose it. A
brand new fridge will become suddenly become a used fridge and be worth
only half what they pay for it.

On Tue 25 Nov 2008 02:29:34p, jmcquown told us...

>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> George wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Hey, how close is the house to Charleston?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's about 125 miles south of Charleston. About 13 miles outside of
>>> Beaufort.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Email me an address and pic if you got one. My brother and SIL and
>> looking to SC withing the next year and they are starting to look at
>> houses.
>
>
> I'm afraid I don't have any current photos of the house. I haven't had
> a chance to figure out how to work my new digital camera yet. Shoot me
> an email and I should be able to take some photos in a week or so when
> things settle down. Oh, I took these some years ago. It will give you
> some idea of the inside layout:
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...81795269FvJzGH
>
> Jill
>
>

It’s a lovely home in a lovely setting, Jill. I can’t imagine you’d have
any problem selling it. Showing it furnished as it is, it would certainly
be enticing.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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jmcquown wrote:
> Lou Decruss wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:49:10 -0500, "jmcquown" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this
>>> house we need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in
>>> the 1980's and we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a
>>> refrigerator. I bought one.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're
>>> selling a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where
>>> retirees move. It's not like some 20-somethings (who have
>>> absolutely nothing to their name) are going to buy the house.
>>> People who move here are pretty well set and they probably have
>>> their own appliances. It's not outside the realm of possiblity to
>>> throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell the
>>> house. But I don't think we should have to provide one. What are
>>> your thoughts?
>>
>>
>> What's wrong with the one that's there now?
>>
>> Anyway, you are right and your brother is wrong. A house can be sold
>> either way.
>>
>> Lou
>
>
> There's nothing wrong with it! That's sort of my point We can sell
> the house with the existing refrigerator. I don't see the need to buy a
> brand new one. People like to decorate in their own way. I say get rid
> of the ridiculous 1985 wallpaper and slap on some paint. There's no
> point doing a major redecoration job and no point in buying a new
> refrigerator. Unless he just wants to pay for it out of his own pocket
>
> Jill

See what a real estate agent from the area says. Comperables are their
business. They will know whether you should sell without a fridge.

The two places I've owned homes, Central New Jersey and
way-the-heck-south Texas do not sell homes with refrigerators as a rule.
A stove of some sort is required as is a dishwasher (if there is a
built-in) otherwise all appliances are extras.

In the NJ house we bought our own fridge. In the Texas house, it was
brand new but the builder allowed us to pick out range dishwasher and
range hood (we got a microwave/rangehood combo) The refrigerator and
washer and dryer were our responsibility.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Janet Wilder wrote:
>

> See what a real estate agent from the area says. Comperables are their
> business. They will know whether you should sell without a fridge.

I thought the issue was whether they should buy a new fridge to be sold
with the house.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>> Sheldon wrote:
> > "jmcquown" wrote:
>
> > > > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell
> > > > _this house_ we need to buy a new refrigerator.
> > >
> > > What's "this house"?
> > You refuse to answer, why?
>
> � She is at her mothers house, arranging the funeral, it's her mother's
> house which will now be sold.

Well, why didn't she just say so... why all the clandestine espionage
about renting a house with her brother?!?!?

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Leonard Blaisdell wrote:

> > But if your brother wants it, he should exclusively deal with it.
>
> I would think that the decision would be up to the executor of the
> estate.

Point taken.

leo

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:49:10 -0500, "jmcquown" >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
>need to buy a new refrigerator.

<snip>

When my mother died, we pulled out the stand-alone appliances in her
40 year old house. Her refrigerator and stove were the old Heirloom
Gold gawdawful stuff from the late 60s and, although both worked
reasonably well, were butt ugly. They were worn, dated and the stove
had grease in places that you couldn't have gotten off with a
flamethrower. We pulled them out, replaced the vinyl flooring, and
left bare the spaces where the refrigerator and stove had been. It
made the kitchen look *much* bigger.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:49:10 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
>need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
>we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
>I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling a
>house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move. It's
>not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their name) are
>going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well set and they
>probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the realm of
>possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell
>the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one. What are your
>thoughts?
>
>Jill

In our limited experience house-hunting we found that if it wasn't
built in, it wasn't there. I don't recall any house we looked at
where the refrigerator was included. If the buyer wanted the
refrigerator it would be written into the terms of the sale.

Built-ins were usually range top, oven, dishwasher and trash
compactor. Only the very high end homes would have a built in
refrigerator... usually flush mounted and matching the surrounding
cabinetry.

Ron

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling a
> house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move. It's
> not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their name) are
> going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well set and they
> probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the realm of
> possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell
> the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one. What are your
> thoughts?

Jill,

I agree with you. Most people would rather pick their own refrigerator
with the features and color they want, rather then having the previous
owner make that decision.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> George wrote:
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> Hey, how close is the house to Charleston?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's about 125 miles south of Charleston. About 13 miles outside of
>>> Beaufort.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Email me an address and pic if you got one. My brother and SIL and
>> looking to SC withing the next year and they are starting to look at
>> houses.
>
>
> I'm afraid I don't have any current photos of the house. I haven't had
> a chance to figure out how to work my new digital camera yet. Shoot me
> an email and I should be able to take some photos in a week or so when
> things settle down. Oh, I took these some years ago. It will give you
> some idea of the inside layout:
>
> http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/...81795269FvJzGH
>
> Jill

Pretty house!

On Nov 26, 8:01�am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" ividual.net:in rec.food.cooking
>
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house
> > we need to buy a new refrigerator. �He and I were roommates in the
> > 1980's and we *rented* a house. �It didn't come with a refrigerator.
> > I bought one.
>
> > I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're
> > selling a house. �Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where
> > retirees move. �It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely
> > nothing to their name) are going to buy the house. �People who move
> > here are pretty well set and they probably have their own appliances.
> > It's not outside the realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and
> > dryer and even the fridge when we sell the house. �But I don't think
> > we should have to provide one. �What are your thoughts?
>
> It's a toss up. �I've bought and sold condos with and without appliances.
> When we sold our condo before buying this house, the realtor told us
> appliances in good working order will help get the offers closer to the
> asking cost of the property. �Don't know if that's true or not but we
> never had any problems selling. I know when I've bought places without
> appliances I had better leverage as a buyer, �but the market is so
> strange these day.
>
> There was one exception I had when selling my condo. �It was when Steven
> and I decided to move in together. �My condo was on the market for less
> than an hour and it was sold sight unseen by the buyer, for full asking
> price. �All the buyer was concerned about was that it had 3 bedrooms and
> was located in a concierge building close to Washington University. �He
> also wanted at least 2 bathrooms and underground parking for 3 cars. �I
> only had 2 garage spaces but he bought the place anyway.


Absolutely! Homebuyers don't even look at the brand of appliances....
there are far more important considerations... only rentors study the
fridge like it's a medical scan of their brain... in either case they
haven't a clue what they're looking at.

On Nov 26, 4:44�am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> �"jmcquown" > wrote:
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> > need to buy a new refrigerator. �He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> > we *rented* a house. �It didn't come with a refrigerator. �I bought one.
>
> > I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling a
> > house. �Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move. �It's
> > not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their name) are
> > going to buy the house. �People who move here are pretty well set and they
> > probably have their own appliances. �It's not outside the realm of
> > possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when we sell
> > the house. �But I don't think we should have to provide one. �What are your
> > thoughts?
>
> Jill,
>
> I agree with you. Most people would rather pick their own refrigerator
> with the features and color they want, rather then having the previous
> owner make that decision.

That's the typical renter mentality... worrying about the model fridge
instead of how to pay the mortgage.

On Nov 25, 3:17*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Nov 25, 9:49 am, "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> > need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> > we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> Do what is the usual and customary thing to do in your real estate
> market.
>
> N.
>
> I'll be meeting with the realtor next week. *Other than that I have no idea
> what is "customary" for this market. *I'm not from here
>
> Jill

Well, your realtor will certainly know .... anyway, I'm with the group
that says, "Don't bother buying new," you likely wouldn't get your
money back. Intead, give the buyer a $500 allowance or something as
part of the deal. But let them ask.

N.

Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
>
> why all the clandestine espionage
>> about renting a house with her brother?!?!?
>
> Nothing clandestine; her post made clear the rented place they shared
> was long ago.
>
> You got the wrong end of the stick, no need to beat yourself silly with it.

FWIW I thought it was pretty clear when she said that she and her
brother were room mates and were renting a house that they were paying
rent to live in the place, not renting out a house.

Dave Smith > wrote:
> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>
> > why all the clandestine espionage
> >> about renting a house with her brother?!?!?
>
> > � Nothing clandestine; her post �made clear the rented place they shared
> > was long ago.
>
> > � You got the wrong end of the stick, no need to beat yourself silly with it.
>
> FWIW I thought it was pretty clear when she said that she and her
> brother were room mates and were renting a house that they were paying
> rent to live in the place, not renting out a house.

Then you must be clairvoyant. The original post says no such thing
about whether they paid rent or collected rent... to my way of
thinking when folks talk about selling a house it makes more sense
that they were collecting rent on a house they own. And no where does
it say anything about Jill's parent's house.

Yoose both have a reading comprehension problem.
=====================
Jill's original post:

"For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this
house we
need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's
and
we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought
one."
======================

On Nov 25, 3:32 pm, "cybercat" > wrote:


> Perhaps Jill and her brother might consider waiting a while before tackling
> issues of this nature. There hasn't even been a funeral yet. Surely their
> minds and hearts are clouded now by deep grief.

I tend not to agree, in all cases. I went to a funeral of a distant
relative, and a woman in a lace dress showed up at the house of the
deceased on the morning of the funeral. The daughter of the deceased,
came form a considerable distance, had the woman come in - to list the
place. Naive me thought it was a woman from the funeral home, getting
a last minute check or checking details. The dtr had to get back home
for other family reasons - I doubt she had a moment to grieve at that
point.

When you have to make this kind of arrangement and get a house sold, I
think one has to move with determination and speed. The daughter took
the first offer and was glad to be done with it. (House was in her
name along with the father's, so she was able to act as quickly as she
did.)



eI tend not to agree.place. ned