cybercat > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> cybercat > wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Do you really want to know?
>>>
>>> No, Steve.
>>
>> That question wasn't directed at you.
>
> I know. I am telling you, Jill does not want to know your thoughts.

.... Next post...

> What is wrong with your mind? Hmm?

I was waiting to see if you'd post a third time <shrug>.

I'm fine. Thank you. I'm really fine.

-sw

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> What are your thoughts?
>
> Jill

Leave the fridge. It may not be a deal-breaker, but it's not worth the price
or the 'maybe I shouldda thrown in the fridge' thought you will have.

Sheldon wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>> Janet Baraclough wrote:
>>
>>> why all the clandestine espionage
>>>> about renting a house with her brother?!?!?
>>> � Nothing clandestine; her post �made clear the rented place they shared
>>> was long ago.
>>> � You got the wrong end of the stick, no need to beat yourself silly with it.
>> FWIW I thought it was pretty clear when she said that she and her
>> brother were room mates and were renting a house that they were paying
>> rent to live in the place, not renting out a house.
>
> Then you must be clairvoyant. The original post says no such thing
> about whether they paid rent or collected rent... to my way of
> thinking when folks talk about selling a house it makes more sense
> that they were collecting rent on a house they own. And no where does
> it say anything about Jill's parent's house.
>
> Yoose both have a reading comprehension problem.
> =====================
> Jill's original post:
>
> "For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this
> house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's
> and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought
> one."
> ======================


Get a seven year old to explain it to you.

"It don't come with a refrigerator. I bought one" should explain it even
to the most obtuse person. If she were renting it out and she bought a
fridge, then the apartment have have come with a fridge. Only an idiot
would think that there was any suggestion that she and her brother were
renting the house out......and come to think of it..... you are the only
one questioning it.




She didn't say that they had bought a house and rented it out. Nor did
she say that they got a fridge for the tenant.



If she had said that they had gone on vacation together and rented a
car, would you think that they rented their car to someone else?

val189 wrote:

> When you have to make this kind of arrangement and get a house sold, I
> think one has to move with determination and speed. The daughter took
> the first offer and was glad to be done with it. (House was in her
> name along with the father's, so she was able to act as quickly as she
> did.)

When my mother died last year my brother, who was executor, put the
house up for sale within days. AAMOF, she died very early on a Friday
and he and I met with the realtor on Saturday afternoon, and it was sold
within the week with a closing date three months later. If we had known
that it would sell so fast we would have asked a lot more for it.

My wife thought that we moved too fast on it, but that was not her call.
To hold on to the unit longer would have meant having to pay taxes,
condo fees, utilities etc for the duration. Hell, my parents were pretty
good at finances and have approved of the fiscal responsibility.

On Nov 25, 4:10 pm, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> > need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> > we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> > I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> > a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> > It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> > name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> > set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> > realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> > when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> > What are your thoughts?
>
> > Jill
>
> Don't replace the refrigerator, you'll be wasting your money. Unless it's a
> first time homebuyer who needs the appliances and can't afford new ones
> after saving up for the downpayment, most buyers have attachments to their
> current appliances and will want to bring their old ones with or buy brand
> new. If they want them included, they'll write an addendum with their
> purchase agreement specifying their inclusion in the sale. Nobody is going
> to buy the house just because it comes with a brand new fridge, even if it
> is their "dream" fridge, and definitely not if the stove and dishwasher (if
> there is one) don't match as well. Carpeting, wallpaper removal and
> repainting may or may not increase the selling value enough to justify the
> work over selling it "as-is". $5000 worth of work might only increase the
> value $2000. An experienced Realtor in the area should be able to tell you
> whether it would be worth it or not to make some simple changes, and if so,
> which ones. I'd definitely get more than one Realtor's opinion, however.
> If you sell it as-is, definitely offer a carpet and redecorating allowance.
> Why should my opinion count? I'm a Realtor.
>
> Jinx

On Nov 28, 12:22 am, wrote:
> On Nov 25, 4:10 pm, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:
>
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> > > need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> > > we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> > > I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> > > a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> > > It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> > > name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> > > set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> > > realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> > > when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> > > What are your thoughts?
>
> > > Jill
>
> > Don't replace the refrigerator, you'll be wasting your money. Unless it's a
> > first time homebuyer who needs the appliances and can't afford new ones
> > after saving up for the downpayment, most buyers have attachments to their
> > current appliances and will want to bring their old ones with or buy brand
> > new. If they want them included, they'll write an addendum with their
> > purchase agreement specifying their inclusion in the sale. Nobody is going
> > to buy the house just because it comes with a brand new fridge, even if it
> > is their "dream" fridge, and definitely not if the stove and dishwasher (if
> > there is one) don't match as well. Carpeting, wallpaper removal and
> > repainting may or may not increase the selling value enough to justify the
> > work over selling it "as-is". $5000 worth of work might only increase the
> > value $2000. An experienced Realtor in the area should be able to tell you
> > whether it would be worth it or not to make some simple changes, and if so,
> > which ones. I'd definitely get more than one Realtor's opinion, however.
> > If you sell it as-is, definitely offer a carpet and redecorating allowance.
> > Why should my opinion count? I'm a Realtor.
>
> > Jinx

This realtor is right about the obsession with the fridge. Is your
brother a realtor?
Why would you take his word for this? Whatever you have in your
contract is
what, in black and white, will go down.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> What are your thoughts?
>
> Jill


Generally in California the/a refrigerator will come with a rental but not
with a purchase, unless the refrigerator is a large built in which is part
of the kitchen decor.

There may be COSMETIC/DECORATING reasons to do so.

Dimitri

jmcquown wrote:
>
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this
>>> house we need to buy a new refrigerator. I don't think it's necessary
>>> to provide a refrigerator when you're selling a house. Just an FYI,
>>> this is pretty much a place where retirees move. It's not like some
>>> 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their name) are going
>>> to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well set and they
>>> probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the realm of
>>> possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge when
>>> we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
>>> What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> I agree. If the fridge is less than 20 years old, I'd leave it and
>> agree to replace it only if it was a deal closer to a serious buyer.
>>
>> The same goes for carpeting. If you must, include a carpeting
>> allowance to sweeten the deal, but for goodness sake don't re-carpet
>> unless the old carpet is badly trashed. Carpet color is a very
>> individual choice.
>>
> The carpeting is in horrible shape. My parents were both heavy
> smokers. I have absolutely no idea why they thought *white* carpeting
> was a good idea! Especially since my father was a golfer and was forever
> tracking dirt in. I'll have it professionally cleaned and see if that
> helps. But whoever buys will most likely need to have it replaced.
>
> Jill

I don't know any golfers who wear their golfing shoes home.

-dk

Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being included
with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however, when
my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.

Don't dare buy a new one......use that money to get someone to help you
stage the house for showing. The smoking could be a huge issue and
could require painting and recarpeting the whole house to get rid of the
odor. We ran into that wirh my sister's house, especially after it was
empty and closed up. You'd be surprised how it clings, and some people
are very sensitive to the odor.

Good luck!

Libby

(Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-1845
@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:

>
> Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
included
> with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
> retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however, when
> my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.


Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!

To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!


>
> Don't dare buy a new one......use that money to get someone to help
you
> stage the house for showing. The smoking could be a huge issue and
> could require painting and recarpeting the whole house to get rid of
the
> odor. We ran into that wirh my sister's house, especially after it
was
> empty and closed up. You'd be surprised how it clings, and some
people
> are very sensitive to the odor.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Libby
>
>



I've seen houses where the people inside have been heavy smokers, and
it's actually *stained* any open surface.

Best bet with that sort of house is to burn it down and claim the
insurance.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I was having dinner with my boss and his wife and she said to me, "How

many potatoes would you like Peter?". I said "Ooh, I'll just have one

please". She said "It's OK, you don't have to be polite" "Alright" I

said "I'll just have one then, you stupid cow".

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:

> (Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-1845
> @storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:
>
>>
>> Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
> included
>> with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
>> retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however, when
>> my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.
>
>
> Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!
>
> To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
> Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
>

wotta he-man!

blake

It all depends on how much moiney you want to make.

People buy houses just FOR the incredible kitchens/bathrooms. Most
folks do NOT want to go out and buy appliances. This is stupid, of
course, because IF they went and bought their own kitchen apps, clearly
they would save money....but you cant go wrong underestimating the
intelligence of the public. Or their imaginations.

If a person looks at three houses, all basically with the same rumber
oif rooms, etc, and one has a fancy kitchen, that is the one that will
sell.

If I ever decide to sell, I will take an equity loan and remodel both
bathrooms and the kitchen with top of the line stuff. Because livable
space sells, I will convert my garage into a downstairts living area,
change the garagte door to sliding glass, add a galley kitchen....and
add fifty grand OR MORE to the value, OVER what the work will cost me.
I might even borrow an extra 20 K and build a descending deck OFF my
deck going out over the stream, with a gazebo on it, complete with a
fancy schmantzy gas grill and fridge and wine cooler....heh heh
heh....adding perhaps an extra 100 K, along wioth the new bathrooms and
fancy kitchen.

I agree it isnt worth it to JUST go buy a fridge...but IF you can, get a
new top of the line fridge,, replace the dishwasher, stove, etc. with
top of the line matching gear....Likewise, re-do the bathrooms with
up-to-date amenities, like the "bowl" type sinks and "no-touch" toilets
that flush automatically. Add the cost to the selling price PLUS an
extra 10- 20 grand.

You have to remember that people with money are looking for houses, just
as people without money are---and the people WITH money arent worried
about getting a mortgage loan. So, fancy UP to meet the moneyed market.
The "poor" folks who might buy your house "as is" without a fridge
probably cant get a mortgage loan, anyway......and the folks WITH money
wont be interested.


LassChance

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:13:49 -0500, (Lass
Chance_2) wrote:

>You have to remember that people with money are looking for houses, just
>as people without money are---and the people WITH money arent worried
>about getting a mortgage loan. So, fancy UP to meet the moneyed market.
>The "poor" folks who might buy your house "as is" without a fridge
>probably cant get a mortgage loan, anyway......and the folks WITH money
>wont be interested.

1. Can your neighborhood support the price?
2. It's not a good idea to be the most expensive house in the
neighborhood.
http://searchwarp.com/swa18152.htm




--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> For some reason my middle brother thinks before we can sell this house we
> need to buy a new refrigerator. He and I were roommates in the 1980's and
> we *rented* a house. It didn't come with a refrigerator. I bought one.
>
> I don't think it's necessary to provide a refrigerator when you're selling
> a house. Just an FYI, this is pretty much a place where retirees move.
> It's not like some 20-somethings (who have absolutely nothing to their
> name) are going to buy the house. People who move here are pretty well
> set and they probably have their own appliances. It's not outside the
> realm of possiblity to throw in the washer and dryer and even the fridge
> when we sell the house. But I don't think we should have to provide one.
> What are your thoughts?


I've bought properties with and without refrigerators. You ~don't~ have to
provide one as long as all is disclosed, etc. But there is such a thing as
presentation or staging and the better and more complete the house looks
when you are trying to sell it, the more you can get for it.

C

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:
>
> > (Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-1845
> > @storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net:
> >
> >>
> >> Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
> > included
> >> with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
> >> retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however, when
> >> my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.
> >
> >
> > Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!
> >
> > To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
> > Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
> >
>
> wotta he-man!


Lol...one wonders how he managed in all those grungy Special Forces army
barracks for all those years...and he must really freek out when he stays in
a hotel.

<chuckle>

I wonder if he was like Ed Wood, who during his WWII Marine stint wore
women's silk panties under his military duds, *especially* when hitting the
beaches for combat...


--
Best
Greg

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:
>
>
(Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-1845
:
>>
>>
>>>Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
>>
>>included
>>
>>>with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
>>>retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however, when
>>>my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.
>>
>>
>>Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!
>>
>>To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
>>Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
>>
>
>
> wotta he-man!
>
> blake

Really! if he has such a reaction to a fridge or washing machine i
wonder how he feels about the toilets?
--
JL

Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:95f1f$49319cc4
:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:
>>
>>
(Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-
1845
:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
>>>
>>>included
>>>
>>>>with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
>>>>retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however,
when
>>>>my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.
>>>
>>>
>>>Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!
>>>
>>>To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
>>>Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
>>>
>>
>>
>> wotta he-man!
>>
>> blake
>
> Really! if he has such a reaction to a fridge or washing machine i
> wonder how he feels about the toilets?
> --


'blake' is just being a spoilt little bitch.

And your stupid little comment on toilets is just as bad.

As I said *previously* (and no-one seems to read the complete content of
posts nowadays... stupidity? or illiteracy?) house/flats/condos over
here *do not* come with anything in them. No fridge, no washing machine,
no furniture, no beds, no nothing.


And if someone left any such items in the dwelling, they would be thrown
in the rubbish.

I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?


Australians are self-sufficient and don't rely on someone leaving
furniture/bedding in a house, so that the next people to move in will
have something to sleep on, sit on, wash their clothes in, put their
food in.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I was having dinner with my boss and his wife and she said to me, "How

many potatoes would you like Peter?". I said "Ooh, I'll just have one

please". She said "It's OK, you don't have to be polite" "Alright" I

said "I'll just have one then, you stupid cow".

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
> wrote:

>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?

Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
slept in hotels, haven't you?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
>>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>
>
> Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
> slept in hotels, haven't you?
>
>

They have beds in Australia? I thought they were all still sleeping with
the dingoes in the outback ... oh wait! that's the dogs who seem to
like sleeping with the Australians.

If one has eaten in a restaurant i don't see how complaining about bed
clothes is particularly relevant (to say nothing of logical), except in
the mind of some who have not thought through all the ramifications.

The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be referred
to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
author of the usage than i really care to know

And of course if that usage is typical of Australian males
well.....what's the old saying "a handsome face is the best disguise for
a treacherous heart"? that Peter Lucas does have some remarkable
physiognomy, at least facialy, which is, apparently & unfortunately, as
facile as it is facial.
--
JL

Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:8f070$4931e2be
:

> sf wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>>>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that
have
>>>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>>
>>
>> Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
>> slept in hotels, haven't you?


Yes, I have. And they *launder* the sheets after every stay.

You obviously just 'sleep' in those "pay by the hour" hotels.


>>
>>
>
> They have beds in Australia? I thought they were all still sleeping
with
> the dingoes in the outback ... oh wait! that's the dogs who seem to
> like sleeping with the Australians.


Typical uninformed yank.


>
> If one has eaten in a restaurant i don't see how complaining about bed
> clothes is particularly relevant (to say nothing of logical), except
in
> the mind of some who have not thought through all the ramifications.


And you have just shown us what sort of state *your* mind is in!!

Equating sleeping on someone elses grotty sheets to eating in a
resaurant. Like 'sf' and her choice of hotels, it seems your choice of
eating establishments is rather base.


>
> The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be
referred
> to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
> author of the usage than i really care to know


Oh *really*????

One only has to do a quick Google on "Omnitheistic Church".

It seems, your "church" has it's own publishing company.... the
Omnitheistic Church Press.

" We are a small publishing house, founded in 1993, owned and operated
by The Omnitheistic Church, dedicated to publishing items of interest to
*** Males who want to know more about the occult, Paganism, and erotic
spirituality."


>
> And of course if that usage is typical of Australian males
> well.....what's the old saying "a handsome face is the best disguise
for
> a treacherous heart"? that Peter Lucas does have some remarkable
> physiognomy, at least facialy, which is, apparently & unfortunately,
as
> facile as it is facial.
> --


You *do* suffer from verbal diarrhoea, don't you?


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

I was having dinner with my boss and his wife and she said to me, "How

many potatoes would you like Peter?". I said "Ooh, I'll just have one

please". She said "It's OK, you don't have to be polite" "Alright" I

said "I'll just have one then, you stupid cow".

Peter-Lucas wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
>>The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be
>
> referred
>
>>to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
>>author of the usage than i really care to know
>
>
>
> Oh *really*????
>
> One only has to do a quick Google on "Omnitheistic Church".
>
> It seems, your "church" has it's own publishing company.... the
> Omnitheistic Church Press.
>
> " We are a small publishing house, founded in 1993, owned and operated
> by The Omnitheistic Church, dedicated to publishing items of interest to
> *** Males who want to know more about the occult, Paganism, and erotic
> spirituality."

So what is australia like iran in your mind? no queers in oz? or do we
fall back on the explanation that the male who would even attempt to use
such an accusation against another is merely demonstrating their own
latency? That natural part of themselves they hate vehemently? its
generally the case.

Besides, out side of the '***' community, how many men refer to other
men as a "bitch"? Ok, outside of the *** men's community and a penal
colony

>
>
>
>>And of course if that usage is typical of Australian males
>>well.....what's the old saying "a handsome face is the best disguise
>
> for
>
>>a treacherous heart"? that Peter Lucas does have some remarkable
>>physiognomy, at least facialy, which is, apparently & unfortunately,
>
> as
>
>>facile as it is facial.
>>--
>
>
>
> You *do* suffer from verbal diarrhoea, don't you?
>
>
Surly its no more offensive than your textural bulimia?
--
JL

Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in
:

> Peter-Lucas wrote:
>> Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be
>>
>> referred
>>
>>>to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
>>>author of the usage than i really care to know
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh *really*????
>>
>> One only has to do a quick Google on "Omnitheistic Church".
>>
>> It seems, your "church" has it's own publishing company.... the
>> Omnitheistic Church Press.
>>
>> " We are a small publishing house, founded in 1993, owned and
>> operated by The Omnitheistic Church, dedicated to publishing items of
>> interest to *** Males who want to know more about the occult,
>> Paganism, and erotic spirituality."
>
> So what is australia like iran in your mind? no queers in oz?


So you're saying there's no gays in Iran??

Typical uninformed yank.


And for you to get all girly hysterical about me calling you and your
mate a pair of bitches, is a bit rich!!

I saw your 'Orginization' name, I saw what it stands for, you should be
the last person on the planet to be offended at being called a bitch. I
thought it would be something you'd know, and be able to relate to.


Now, bitch, don't go away angry..... just go away.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing.

Edmund Burke.

"Peter-Lucas" > wrote in
.25:

>
> As I said *previously* (and no-one seems to read the complete content of
> posts nowadays... stupidity? or illiteracy?) house/flats/condos over
> here *do not* come with anything in them. No fridge, no washing machine,
> no furniture, no beds, no nothing.
>
>
> And if someone left any such items in the dwelling, they would be thrown
> in the rubbish.

Although most homes/flats are rented as vacant, it is possible to rent
furnished properties here Peter.Twenty or so years ago I lived away from
home (in Wagga) when I was studying and I rented a little furnished flat -
had a bed, a couple of chairs and a coffee table in the tiny living room, a
fridge and shared use of a washing machine in an outside laundry.

Rhonda

Rhonda Anderson > wrote in
.5:

> "Peter-Lucas" > wrote in
> .25:
>
>>
>> As I said *previously* (and no-one seems to read the complete content
>> of posts nowadays... stupidity? or illiteracy?) house/flats/condos
>> over here *do not* come with anything in them. No fridge, no washing
>> machine, no furniture, no beds, no nothing.
>>
>>
>> And if someone left any such items in the dwelling, they would be
>> thrown in the rubbish.
>
> Although most homes/flats are rented as vacant, it is possible to rent
> furnished properties here Peter.Twenty or so years ago I lived away
> from home (in Wagga) when I was studying and I rented a little
> furnished flat - had a bed, a couple of chairs and a coffee table in
> the tiny living room, a fridge and shared use of a washing machine in
> an outside laundry.
>



Yep, there are one of two around, but they are like rocking horse poo.

*Very* rare.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
nothing.

Edmund Burke.

"Rhonda Anderson" > wrote in message
.5...
> "Peter-Lucas" > wrote in
> .25:
>
>>
>> As I said *previously* (and no-one seems to read the complete content of
>> posts nowadays... stupidity? or illiteracy?) house/flats/condos over
>> here *do not* come with anything in them. No fridge, no washing machine,
>> no furniture, no beds, no nothing.
>>
>>
>> And if someone left any such items in the dwelling, they would be thrown
>> in the rubbish.
>
> Although most homes/flats are rented as vacant, it is possible to rent
> furnished properties here Peter.Twenty or so years ago I lived away from
> home (in Wagga) when I was studying and I rented a little furnished flat -
> had a bed, a couple of chairs and a coffee table in the tiny living room,
> a
> fridge and shared use of a washing machine in an outside laundry.
>
> Rhonda

Just got to look at real estate ads and see heaps of furnished rentals.
Especially in Melbourne & Sydney. Once again Peter Lucas is talking bull. I
don't know why you folks just don't kill file the prick and be done with it.
The stupid stupid man!!!

Regards
Nolene

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:11:54 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:

>Besides, out side of the '***' community, how many men refer to other
>men as a "bitch"?

A lot of young people do, JL... but Peter's not young in any sense of
the word (except when he's being juvenile).


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:11:54 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
>>Besides, out side of the '***' community, how many men refer to other
>>men as a "bitch"?
>
>
> A lot of young people do, JL... but Peter's not young in any sense of
> the word (except when he's being juvenile).
>
>

*shrug* i should have wrote 'out side of a small segment of effeminate
males of the *** community' who are not only prone to use the term but
to self identify with it in some strange vagina envy sort of way
--
JL

> > wrote:
>
>
>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake'

Facile.

For Peter, as i stated originally, has a remarkable countenance.
--
JL

In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> Peter-Lucas wrote:
> > Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
> >
> >
> >>The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be
> > referred
> >>to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
> >>author of the usage than i really care to know
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh *really*????

> Besides, out side of the '***' community, how many men refer to other
> men as a "bitch"? Ok, outside of the *** men's community and a penal
> colony

It's hard to keep up with contemporary usage of words, especially ones
that I don't use, but this dictionary:

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bitch

gives:

"a well-meaning greeting, usually between men. Also bitch-face.

What's up, bitch?

What's up, bitch-face?"

among its 14 definitions of the noun.

Also, slang is one of the first things to get localized. Sometimes
people in the US think they know the meaning of a word, but it can be
used quite differently in other countries.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:
>
>
>>Peter-Lucas wrote:
>>
>>>Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The mere fact that 2 such obviously male contributors would be
>>>
>>>referred
>>>
>>>>to (collectively or singularly) as "bitch" tell me more about the
>>>>author of the usage than i really care to know
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Oh *really*????
>
>
>>Besides, out side of the '***' community, how many men refer to other
>>men as a "bitch"? Ok, outside of the *** men's community and a penal
>>colony
>
>
> It's hard to keep up with contemporary usage of words, especially ones
> that I don't use, but this dictionary:
>
> http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/bitch
>
> gives:
>
> "a well-meaning greeting, usually between men. Also bitch-face.
>
> What's up, bitch?
>
> What's up, bitch-face?"
>
> among its 14 definitions of the noun.
>
> Also, slang is one of the first things to get localized. Sometimes
> people in the US think they know the meaning of a word, but it can be
> used quite differently in other countries.
>

I move in canine circles where the terms bitch and stud are descriptive
nouns. Dog people do use "bitch" or "bitchy" as insults, though. Male
dogs will brawl but their fights end when one or the other goes belly-up
in submission. Bitch fights are much more vicious and often lethal.

There's an old saying in the dog world:

"Studs fight to breed. Bitches fight to breathe".

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:

> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:95f1f$49319cc4
> :
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:42 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:
>>>
>>>
(Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote in news:25237-493093D2-
> 1845
:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Jill, I live in Greenville, SC, and I think refrigerators being
>>>>
>>>>included
>>>>
>>>>>with the house vary with locations. I was in real estate before I
>>>>>retired, and fridges don't come with houses up here......however,
> when
>>>>>my sister died 4 years ago in Atlanta they do come with the house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Even rentals over here don't have *anything* in them!!
>>>>
>>>>To move in and use someone elses fridge, or washing machine.....
>>>>Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> wotta he-man!
>>>
>>> blake
>>
>> Really! if he has such a reaction to a fridge or washing machine i
>> wonder how he feels about the toilets?
>> --
>
>
> 'blake' is just being a spoilt little bitch.
>
> And your stupid little comment on toilets is just as bad.
>
> As I said *previously* (and no-one seems to read the complete content of
> posts nowadays... stupidity? or illiteracy?) house/flats/condos over
> here *do not* come with anything in them. No fridge, no washing machine,
> no furniture, no beds, no nothing.
>
>
> And if someone left any such items in the dwelling, they would be thrown
> in the rubbish.
>
> I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
> house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
> been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>
>
> Australians are self-sufficient and don't rely on someone leaving
> furniture/bedding in a house, so that the next people to move in will
> have something to sleep on, sit on, wash their clothes in, put their
> food in.

ooh, he called me a bitch! wotta a he-man for a felix unger germophobe.

blake

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:59:23 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
> > wrote:
>
>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
>>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>
> Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
> slept in hotels, haven't you?

and he was squeamish about a used washing machine. a machine that, um,
washes things.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:19:10 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:

> Joseph Littleshoes > wrote in news:8f070$4931e2be
> :
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>>>>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that
> have
>>>>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
>>> slept in hotels, haven't you?
>
>
> Yes, I have. And they *launder* the sheets after every stay.
>
> You obviously just 'sleep' in those "pay by the hour" hotels.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> They have beds in Australia? I thought they were all still sleeping
> with
>> the dingoes in the outback ... oh wait! that's the dogs who seem to
>> like sleeping with the Australians.
>
>
> Typical uninformed yank.
>
>
>>
>> If one has eaten in a restaurant i don't see how complaining about bed
>> clothes is particularly relevant (to say nothing of logical), except
> in
>> the mind of some who have not thought through all the ramifications.
>
>
> And you have just shown us what sort of state *your* mind is in!!
>
> Equating sleeping on someone elses grotty sheets to eating in a
> resaurant. Like 'sf' and her choice of hotels, it seems your choice of
> eating establishments is rather base.
>

yet *you* equated using a *used* washing machine to sleeping in a bed with
others' unwashed sheets:

>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?

you're an idiot as well as a pussy.

blake

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:59:03 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:59:23 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:59 +0000 (UTC), "Peter-Lucas"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I s'pose you and your little bitch 'blake' would gladly move into a
>>>house and sleep on a bed that's been left there, with sheets that have
>>>been left there, without washing anything, wouldn't you?
>>
>> Oh, don't get over dramatic about the unwashed sheets thing... you've
>> slept in hotels, haven't you?
>
>and he was squeamish about a used washing machine. a machine that, um,
>washes things.
>
and cleans them too


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:


> and he was squeamish about a used washing machine. a machine that, um,
> washes things.

In fairness, though, a couple of people on this very group, within the
last month, said that they wouldn't wash their dog's bedding in their
washing machine, out of fear that it would get dirty.

We have no babies in our house now, but I well remember washing diapers,
including the brown ones, in our washing machine. We did not have a
dedicated washing machine for that.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>
> > and he was squeamish about a used washing machine. a machine that, um,
> > washes things.
>
> In fairness, though, a couple of people on this very group, within the
> last month, said that they wouldn't wash their dog's bedding in their
> washing machine, out of fear that it would get dirty.
>
> We have no babies in our house now, but I well remember washing diapers,
> including the brown ones, in our washing machine. We did not have a
> dedicated washing machine for that.

All cat bedding gets washed at the washateria, but not because of dirt.
All that hair damages my very expensive front loader...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:42 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>All cat bedding gets washed at the washateria, but not because of dirt.
>All that hair damages my very expensive front loader...

I would have guessed that cat bedding and especially dog bedding is
washed at the laundromat because their machines are bigger. My down
comforter gets washed there for that reason.... especially those big
driers. It comes out nice and fluffy every time.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:42 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>>All cat bedding gets washed at the washateria, but not because of dirt.
>>All that hair damages my very expensive front loader...
>
> I would have guessed that cat bedding and especially dog bedding is
> washed at the laundromat because their machines are bigger. My down
> comforter gets washed there for that reason.... especially those big
> driers. It comes out nice and fluffy every time.
>

Anyone with half a blinking brain brushes and shakes or vacuums animal
bedding before washing.

On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:13:16 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:31:42 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>All cat bedding gets washed at the washateria, but not because of dirt.
>>>All that hair damages my very expensive front loader...
>>
>> I would have guessed that cat bedding and especially dog bedding is
>> washed at the laundromat because their machines are bigger. My down
>> comforter gets washed there for that reason.... especially those big
>> driers. It comes out nice and fluffy every time.
>>
>
>Anyone with half a blinking brain brushes and shakes or vacuums animal
>bedding before washing.
>
That goes without saying, Cybercat.... I was thinking along the same
lines. I have an expensive front loader too, not the most expensive
(LG) - but expensive enough (Maytag).

I know Om is caring for more than her share of cats, so I wasn't going
to be snide. She's caring for her dad and caring for cats she didn't
collect because she made a promise to somebody she loved. I think
she's doing the best she can given the situation and had a poor choice
of words in that post. Sh*t happens, so does cat hair.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote
>>
> That goes without saying, Cybercat.... I was thinking along the same
> lines. I have an expensive front loader too, not the most expensive
> (LG) - but expensive enough (Maytag).
>

One time I asked my husband to wash a throw rug that hangs out in the mud
room with one of the cat boxes. He literally put the thing in the washer as
is, no shaking, nothing. The grit and h air got way down deep into the motor
or somewhere bad, judging from the sound of it. The motor quit a few washes
later.