On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:23:15 GMT, James Silverton wrote:

> Pennyaline wrote on Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:46:48 -0700:
>
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> Have you ever cleaned a gas oven? I'll admit that even from
>>> childhood I have mostly used electric ones and self-cleaning is a big
>>> advantage. The last time I investigated,
>>> self-cleaning gas ovens did not work too well.
>
>> Yes. I have, countless times. I don't mind it a bit. I can't
>> stand self-cleaning electric ovens.
>
> To each their own of course but I did once clean a cruddy gas oven by
> hand using oven cleaner and never again!

it was a disagreeable chore you didn't have to do often. some of you
museum pieces surely recall defrosting the freezer.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 11:42:44 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> i used an all-inclusive service when i moved into this place, as i was
>> lolling around in a nursing home at the time. as i recall it was pretty
>> expensive.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Good that you did not have to stay in an NH.

i'll tell you one thing, the food was terrible. thank god i had someone
bringing me chinese from time to time.

your pal,
blake

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ter.com...
>
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> "val189" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sounds like the silver lining. All on one level is a plus too.
>> >
>> > Start weeding out stuff you don't use and donate to Sal Army or
>> > similar. Be ruthless.
>> >
>> > Get sturdy boxes from liquor store for packing.
>> >
>> > Start index card for all the to-dos. I used blue for before move
>> > duties, pink for after settled in duties (like new driver's license).
>>
>> The best boxes for packing to move are as follows:
>>
>> 1 For general packing use Bankers Boxes - the kind used for file
>> storage - they are easy to carry and stack and you can easily fill the
>> boxes
>> with books and still carry it. Be sure to mark several sides with the
>> contents. You can find packs of 10 at Staples or Office Max.
>
> I used several dozen 37gal Rubbermaid tubs. They were packed 2 high and
> two deep into the 53' semi-trailer as an upper shelf in the front using
> a couple aluminum E-track cargo bars with a sheet of plywood on top. A
> couple E-track cargo straps secured them in place. Underneath this shelf
> were the palettes with my shop tools, file cabinets, gun safe,
> refrigerator, etc.
>
>>
>> 2. Wine boxes with the dividers intact are GREAT for packing glasses
>> and
>> wine glasses.
>
> I used hard sided flipper lid tubs for the glasses, with most of the
> glasses able to go in the original factory packaging (Mikasa) inside the
> tubs. These tubs, along with other fragile items were packed seat belted
> in the back seat of my truck to provide extra protection. My truck was
> then packed in the back of the 53' semi-trailer, followed by my
> forklift. A tilt bed tow truck makes short work of loading and unloading
> the truck and forklift from the semi-trailer.
>
>>
>> 3. If there is a 99 cent store or similar it the best place to buy
>> packing tape. If you can buy a tape gun it saves time and effort.
>
> Lots of tape, and lots of the 24" wide stretch wrap, particularly for
> the palletized items. Also the 3/8" thick fan-fold polystyrene building
> insulation is great for buffer dividers between file cabinets and
> refrigerators, surface protection on furniture, and corner protectors,
> all held in place with stretch wrap.
>
>>
>> 4. A giant black felt tip marker helps to mark the boxes.
>
> I used stick on numbers to number the Rubbermaid tubs with a bin number
> that correlated with my contents inventory log (multiple copies of the
> inventory everywhere so it couldn't be lost).
>
>>
>> 5. The Post Office has a GREAT moving kit with a very good check list
>> and
>> its free.
>
> I never looked there, I was too busy with my other moving logistics
> (1,700 mile move).
>
>>
>> 6. Beg borrow or rent an inexpensive hand truck with a large enough
>> blade
>> for the bankers boxes.
>
> I had to rent a 24' box truck with a lift gate. I used it to collect my
> stuff from several locations, then I backed up to the semi-trailer and
> palette jacked stuff across to the semi.
>
>>
>> 7. If you belong to Sam's Club - they have a moving kit with tape
>> boxes
>> and foam packing.
>
> Those can help as well.
>
>>
>> We all want to keep everything but remember a hearse never will tow a
>> trailer full of stuff.
>
> My move was a bit out of the ordinary, but of course I'm a bit out of
> the ordinary. The 53' semi-trailer was the initial bulk move, a couple
> hauls with a 24' cargo trailer have followed.
>
> I just helped a friend move and his house full of stuff only took a
> couple trips in my 24' trailer.
>
> My hearse will need to be followed be a fleet of semis...

We had a slightly different move last year. We needed to pack up a house we
had been in for over 30 years. We moved to an area to a rented house
knowing we may/will need to move again within 2 - 3 years. The bulk of the
move was with a professions moving company & we followed his suggestions on
just how to minimize the moving costs. The complexity was nuts as it
involved 3 households as much of our furniture went to our kids as the new
place is much smaller than our home.

Dimitri

blake murphy wrote:>
> i'll tell you one thing, the food was terrible. thank god i had someone
> bringing me chinese from time to time.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I bet. I wonder whether there are any NHs with decent food.
Surely there must be.

--
Jean B.

Sheldon wrote:
> On Dec 3, 10:05�am, Pennyaline > wrote:
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>> � > It was not meant to be directed to anyone here in particular, that
>> is why it
>>
>>> was marked "OT"...it was simply something I thought would be of a very
>>> general interest to some here, we talk about real estate and such all the
>>> time...
>>> Yet Penny took it as a personal affront, I don't know why. �I'm sorry about
>>> that, but then I'm not responsible for her or anyone's "feelings"...I've
>>> apologized to her but it's "no response", I'm The Big Asshole for posting
>>> that original article. �What can I say...
>> I didn't take it as a personal affront.
>
> You certainy did, you'e only one who took it personally, and still.
> You could have easily argued that article point by point maintaining
> equal credibility with everyone else without injecting your personal
> emotional pleadings (which are always biased and indefensible) but no,
> you had to spill your bloody grossly embellished guts all over the
> shit house floor... why do folks so easily forget they are posting in
> a public venue instead of telling their SIL on their private
> phone?!?!? Ergo by your very own machinations you are NOT
> believeable... whiners always exaggerate their plight, twist their
> facts, and lie by sin of ommission. Anyway, were you truthful and
> smart you never would have placed yourself in this position where you
> find yourself needing to defend yourself... after reading the article
> Greggory posted you would have just STFU.

Come raging back out of your hovel to respond with another
hallucination... How telling.

On Dec 3, 12:31�pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> ter.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dimitri wrote:
>
> >> "val189" > wrote in message
> ....
>
> >> > Sounds like the silver lining. �All on one level is a plus too.
>
> >> > Start weeding out stuff you don't use and donate to Sal Army or
> >> > similar. Be ruthless.
>
> >> > Get sturdy boxes from liquor store for packing.
>
> >> > Start index card for all the to-dos. �I used blue for before move
> >> > duties, pink for after settled in duties (like new driver's license)..
>
> >> The best boxes for packing to move are as follows:
>
> >> 1 � �For general packing use Bankers Boxes - the kind used for file
> >> storage - they are easy to carry and stack and you can easily fill the
> >> boxes
> >> with books and still carry it. �Be sure to mark several sides with the
> >> contents. You can find packs of 10 at Staples or Office Max.
>
> > I used several dozen 37gal Rubbermaid tubs. They were packed 2 high and
> > two deep into the 53' semi-trailer as an upper shelf in the front using
> > a couple aluminum E-track cargo bars with a sheet of plywood on top. A
> > couple E-track cargo straps secured them in place. Underneath this shelf
> > were the palettes with my shop tools, file cabinets, gun safe,
> > refrigerator, etc.
>
> >> 2. � �Wine boxes with the dividers intact are GREAT for packing glasses
> >> and
> >> wine glasses.
>
> > I used hard sided flipper lid tubs for the glasses, with most of the
> > glasses able to go in the original factory packaging (Mikasa) inside the
> > tubs. These tubs, along with other fragile items were packed seat belted
> > in the back seat of my truck to provide extra protection. My truck was
> > then packed in the back of the 53' semi-trailer, followed by my
> > forklift. A tilt bed tow truck makes short work of loading and unloading
> > the truck and forklift from the semi-trailer.
>
> >> 3. � �If there is a 99 cent store or similar it the best place to buy
> >> packing tape. �If you can buy a tape gun it saves time and effort.
>
> > Lots of tape, and lots of the 24" wide stretch wrap, particularly for
> > the palletized items. Also the 3/8" thick fan-fold polystyrene building
> > insulation is great for buffer dividers between file cabinets and
> > refrigerators, surface protection on furniture, and corner protectors,
> > all held in place with stretch wrap.
>
> >> 4. � �A giant black felt tip marker helps to mark the boxes.
>
> > I used stick on numbers to number the Rubbermaid tubs with a bin number
> > that correlated with my contents inventory log (multiple copies of the
> > inventory everywhere so it couldn't be lost).
>
> >> 5. � �The Post Office has a GREAT moving kit with a very good check list
> >> and
> >> its free.
>
> > I never looked there, I was too busy with my other moving logistics
> > (1,700 mile move).
>
> >> 6. � �Beg borrow or rent an inexpensive hand truck with a large enough
> >> blade
> >> for the bankers boxes.
>
> > I had to rent a 24' box truck with a lift gate. I used it to collect my
> > stuff from several locations, then I backed up to the semi-trailer and
> > palette jacked stuff across to the semi.
>
> >> 7. � �If you belong to Sam's Club - they have a moving kit with tape
> >> boxes
> >> and foam packing.
>
> > Those can help as well.
>
> >> We all want to keep everything but remember a hearse never �will tow a
> >> trailer full of stuff.
>
> > My move was a bit out of the ordinary, but of course I'm a bit out of
> > the ordinary. The 53' semi-trailer was the initial bulk move, a couple
> > hauls with a 24' cargo trailer have followed.
>
> > I just helped a friend move and his house full of stuff only took a
> > couple trips in my 24' trailer.
>
> > My hearse will need to be followed be a fleet of semis...
>
> We had a slightly different move last year. �We needed to pack up a house we
> had been in for over 30 years. �We moved to an area to a rented house
> knowing we may/will need to move again within 2 - 3 years. �The bulk of the
> move was with a professions moving company & we followed his suggestions on
> just how to minimize the moving costs. �The complexity was nuts as it
> involved 3 households as much of our furniture went to our kids as the new
> place is much smaller than our home.
>
> Dimitri-

When I moved here I used Mayflower, they would have gladly sent
professional packers but that would have cost as much as the move.
But they supplied all moving cartons of all types including wardrobes,
and sealing tape, and large labels of all sorts, all for free, as much
as I wanted. I've moved many times in my life, coast to coast several
times. Since their van traveled the interstate to get here (even
though within the same state), the van had to stop at the weigh
stations and they charged me by weight (was only 40 pounds over their
estimate, they didn't charge me for the extra weight). I saved quite
a bit by making several trips with my own vehicle packed with my
belongings when making the trip anyway, the people permitted me some
space to store my bulky items before closing, mostly gardening stuff.
I suggest that if possible pack and transport your irreplaceable
breakables yourself. Professional moving companies are not nearly as
costly as folks think... costs about the same to rent a U-Haul van,
pay fuel, tolls, and ins on the van... then you still do all the
labor, probably engage friends/relatives who you need to feed and
forever be beholding. Professional movers save money by packing 2-3
households worth in one van, they pass the savings on to the
customer.... they have all the proper equipment and knowhow to wrap
and pack furnishings so that nothing is damaged... they unload and
place every item exactly where you want it, including setting up
beds. Six years ago Mayflower moved my entire household from eastern
Lung Guyland to NY's Capital region for $1,200 which included the
extra insurance, was well worth it... I'm sure I'd have saved nothing
moving myself... had just one major piece of furniture/appliance
become busted it would have cost me much more. Essentially all I
moved myself on teh final run were my small valuables including my
cats.

One should also look into using http://www.pods.com

My new neighbor across the road used PODS, they were between two
houses, living in their old house a few miles down the road with the
barest of essentials. They were very pleased with the experience...
their POD filled with their belongings sat on their new property for
over 3 months while their house was finished being built so they were
able to access their stuff in the interim... could have warehoused the
POD too... it's very inexpensive to rent those things long term. They
mostly charge for the transport on the special truck... rental
includes on round trip, extra moves cost extra, but still very
reasonable. I think PODS would work well for many moves... would
probably be the best choice for someone in the situation Pennyaline
describes.... they deliver th epod to your house, you fill it yourself
at your leisure. Then when it's moving day the PODS truck arrives to
make the final move.

On Dec 3, 1:49�pm, Pennyaline > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 10:05 am, Pennyaline > wrote:
> >> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> >> > It was not meant to be directed to anyone here in particular, that
> >> is why it
>
> >>> was marked "OT"...it was simply something I thought would be of a very
> >>> general interest to some here, we talk about real estate and such all the
> >>> time...
> >>> Yet Penny took it as a personal affront, I don't know why. I'm sorry about
> >>> that, but then I'm not responsible for her or anyone's "feelings"...I've
> >>> apologized to her but it's "no response", I'm The Big Asshole for posting
> >>> that original article. What can I say...
> >> I didn't take it as a personal affront.
>
> > You certainy did, you'e only one who took it personally, and still.
> > You could have easily argued that article point by point maintaining
> > equal credibility with everyone else without injecting your personal
> > emotional pleadings (which are always biased and indefensible) but no,
> > you had to spill your bloody grossly embellished guts all over the
> > shit house floor... why do folks so easily forget they are posting in
> > a public venue instead of telling their SIL on their private
> > phone?!?!? � Ergo by your very own machinations you are NOT
> > believeable... whiners always exaggerate their plight, twist their
> > facts, and lie by sin of ommission. �Anyway, were you truthful and
> > smart you never would have placed yourself in this position where you
> > find yourself needing to defend yourself... after reading the article
> > Greggory posted you would have just STFU.
>
> Come raging back out of your hovel to respond with another
> hallucination... How telling.

My HOVEL....
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Jean B. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:>
>> i'll tell you one thing, the food was terrible. thank god i had someone
>> bringing me chinese from time to time.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> I bet. I wonder whether there are any NHs with decent food. Surely
> there must be.

There are. I worked in a small one (36 beds) in Salt Lake City with
great food. The administrator cared a great deal about the quality of
the food served, allowed a higher than average budget per resident for
food purchases and hired only kitchen staff that had kitchen experience.
She headed the kitchen up with a department manager who didn't shy away
from cooking for the facility and who personally supervised her staff.
The administrator also spent a lot of time in the kitchen to ensure
things were being done to her expectations.

Sheldon wrote:

> Pennyaline doesn't contribute to the food/cooking aspect at all,
> never has... so this was her entertainment contribution.

This is simply untrue. Pennyaline has been writing food-related posts here
for a years. Maybe your degraded mental faculties aren't up to the job of
remembering them, but that's YOUR problem, not anybody else's.

Bob

Sheldon wrote:

>> I didn't take it as a personal affront.
>
> You certainy did, you'e only one who took it personally, and still.

Oh look, Sheldon is playing, "Let's you and him fight!"

Bob

Sheldon wrote:
> Becca wrote:
>
>> Gas stoves are the best. �We took a month or so and did some remodeling
>> before we moved into this house, but we if I could do it over again, I
>> would have ripped out the electric cooktop, that is on an island, and
>> replaced it with gas. Darn. :-(
>>
>
> Huh... there's no reason you can't replace that drop in electric cook
> top with a drop in gas cook top... who told you or did you just
> assume? That it's an island doesn't matter one whit, gas lines can be
> routed as easily as electric cable... can probably use the same cable
> chase to run the gas line.
>

Sheldon, I assumed it would be too much trouble, but I did not ask for
an estimate. The house is built on a concrete slab, but anything is
possible. I should have asked, really I should.

Becca

Goomba wrote:
> We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
> remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
> Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line to
> the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
> difficult at all?

The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer and
we have gas in the fireplace. It puzzles me, that the kitchen does not
have gas. Those people should be spanked.


Becca

Pennyaline wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:>
>>> i'll tell you one thing, the food was terrible. thank god i had someone
>>> bringing me chinese from time to time.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> I bet. I wonder whether there are any NHs with decent food. Surely
>> there must be.
>
> There are. I worked in a small one (36 beds) in Salt Lake City with
> great food. The administrator cared a great deal about the quality of
> the food served, allowed a higher than average budget per resident for
> food purchases and hired only kitchen staff that had kitchen experience.
> She headed the kitchen up with a department manager who didn't shy away
> from cooking for the facility and who personally supervised her staff.
> The administrator also spent a lot of time in the kitchen to ensure
> things were being done to her expectations.

Twould be nice if that was the norm.

--
Jean B.

Goomba wrote:
> Giusi wrote:
>> "Goomba" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> I just had two tile guys here today putting in my glass tiled back
>>> splash. As I watched them work, I thought that most of it was
>>> probably > something *I* could do myself?!
>>
>> The biggerst deal would be learning to use a watercooled diamond
>> saw. If you do any decent sized job you won't want to be sawing by
>> hand. Otherwise, I've lots of women friends who can and do tile.
> Yeah, I see some tiling in my future...
> The kitchen looks marvelous with the tile backsplash. I love knowing
> that I won't be worrying about splatters on the walls around the stove
> anymore.

Your new kitchen looked beautiful after the cabinet makers finished. I
can see how you would be pleased with your new backsplash.


If you are good with your hands, installing tile is not a problem.
Install the tile that does not need to be cut, then rent a tile saw to
finish the job. It looks messy, but it is not bad at all.


Becca

On Dec 3, 4:58�pm, Becca > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > Becca wrote:
>
> >> Gas stoves are the best. We took a month or so and did some remodeling
> >> before we moved into this house, but we if I could do it over again, I
> >> would have ripped out the electric cooktop, that is on an island, and
> >> replaced it with gas. Darn. :-(
>
> > Huh... there's no reason you can't replace that drop in electric cook
> > top with a drop in gas cook top... who told you or did you just
> > assume? �That it's an island doesn't matter one whit, gas lines can be
> > routed as easily as electric cable... can probably use the same cable
> > chase to run the gas line.
>
> Sheldon, I assumed it would be too much trouble, but I did not ask for
> an estimate. �The house is built on a concrete slab, but anything is
> possible. �I should have asked, really I should.

Do you have gas for your oven?

Becca wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
>> remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
>> Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line to
>> the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
>> difficult at all?
>
> The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer and
> we have gas in the fireplace. It puzzles me, that the kitchen does not
> have gas. Those people should be spanked.
>
>
> Becca

spanking is fun to many.
Perhaps they should just be starved. That would fit the crime far more
appropriately.

On Dec 3, 5:01�pm, Becca > wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
> > We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
> > remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
> > Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line to
> > the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
> > difficult at all?
>
> The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer and
> we have gas in the fireplace. �It puzzles me, that the kitchen does not
> have gas. �Those people should be spanked.


So you do have gas available... should be easy to have it run to your
kitchen.

Becca wrote:

> Your new kitchen looked beautiful after the cabinet makers finished. I
> can see how you would be pleased with your new backsplash.
>
>
> If you are good with your hands, installing tile is not a problem.
> Install the tile that does not need to be cut, then rent a tile saw to
> finish the job. It looks messy, but it is not bad at all.
>
>
> Becca

Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together accurately
but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with the cabinets
and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly. I'm pleased as
punch.
http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg

Sheldon wrote:
> On Dec 3, 5:01�pm, Becca > wrote:
>
>> Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
>>> remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
>>> Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line to
>>> the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
>>> difficult at all?
>>>
>> The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer and
>> we have gas in the fireplace. �It puzzles me, that the kitchen does not
>> have gas. �Those people should be spanked.
>>
>
>
> So you do have gas available... should be easy to have it run to your
> kitchen.
>

If my investments hang in there, I will have to look into that.


Becca

Goomba wrote:
> Becca wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
>>> remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
>>> Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line
>>> to the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
>>> difficult at all?
>>
>> The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer
>> and we have gas in the fireplace. It puzzles me, that the kitchen
>> does not have gas. Those people should be spanked.
>>
>>
>> Becca
>
> spanking is fun to many.
> Perhaps they should just be starved. That would fit the crime far more
> appropriately.


Heh, heh, heh... ;-)


Becca

Becca wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> We just moved our gas line (less than a foot) during the the big
>> remodel. It was no big deal (barely a morning). But do we know if
>> Becca has gas running to the house? I'm tempted to take my gas line to
>> the fireplace and make it gas too. I can't see that it would be
>> difficult at all?
>
> The house has a gas heater, a gas water heater, a gas clothes dryer and
> we have gas in the fireplace. It puzzles me, that the kitchen does not
> have gas. Those people should be spanked.
>
>
> Becca
Our house had gas water heater and gas furnace and, yet, there was no
gas line run to the space behind the stove. When we moved to a gas stove
I hired a local gas fitter to come in and run a drop line from the 1.5
inch gas line that runs through the attic to the water heater. The line
to the furnace also runs through the attic, both are galvanized iron so
are pretty safe from getting nails driven into them accidentally. The
new stove line is PVC but is just an eight-foot drop so no problem.

the only lines running through our slab are the water pipes and the
sewer lines.

On Dec 3, 6:22�pm, Goomba > wrote:
>
> Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together accurately
> but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with the cabinets
> and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly. I'm pleased as
> punch.http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg

Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
receptacle. Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. Have them
changed, right away!

http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf

Sheldon wrote:
> On Dec 3, 6:22�pm, Goomba > wrote:
>> Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together accurately
>> but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with the cabinets
>> and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly. I'm pleased as
>> punch.http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>
> Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
> receptacle. Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
> that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. Have them
> changed, right away!
>
> http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf

Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles? What am I missing
here?
The backsplash grouting was finished only this morning and I went to
Lowes and found some copper outlet plates that I think blend in pretty
nicely with the glass tile. The almond colored ones the electrician
placed seemed to stand out more than I cared to see on the tile. I have
no idea how to change the actual plug portion. But I am I really worried
about it either.

"Goomba" ha scritto nel messaggio > Sheldon wrote:
>>Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
>> receptacle. Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
>> that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. Have them
>> changed, right away!
>>
>> http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf
>
> Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles? What am I missing
> here?
> The backsplash grouting was finished only this morning and I went to Lowes
> and found some copper outlet plates that I think blend in pretty nicely
> with the glass tile. The almond colored ones the electrician placed seemed
> to stand out more than I cared to see on the tile. I have no idea how to
> change the actual plug portion. But I am I really worried about it either.

While the plates are available different ways, or paintable whichj can be
hand finished, the sockets themselves are available usually in dark brown
and whiteish. Don't listen to the old maid.

On Dec 3, 10:33�pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > On Dec 3, 6:22 pm, Goomba > wrote:
> >> Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together accurately
> >> but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with the cabinets
> >> and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly. I'm pleased as
> >> punch.http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>
> > Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
> > receptacle. �Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
> > that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. �Have them
> > changed, right away!
>
> >http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf
>
> Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles?
> What am I missing here?

Conciousness and a positive attitude.

There's a grey one too. But color is not the entire point because
Leviton makes them in many colors, it's the modern decorator look, not
that ancient factory kind you now have.

> The backsplash grouting was finished only this morning and I went to
> Lowes and found some copper outlet plates that I think blend in pretty
> nicely with the glass tile. The almond colored ones the electrician
> placed seemed to stand out more than I cared to see on the tile.

There are glass/lucite decorator plates too, they are available in
various shades in smoked, clear/opaque... peruse the various
electrical/renovator supply web sites.

> have no idea how to change the actual plug portion.

Removal of the old and connecting new is really quite simple (just
remember to open the circuit breaker), I bet if you call your
contractor he will do it for free.

It's a shame to have a spanking new kitchen with those hideous
eyesores.

There are thousands of beautiful electrical wall devices, you only
need look.

Another by Leviton:
http://www.acenti.net

On Dec 4, 6:18�am, "Giusi" > wrote:
> "Goomba" �ha scritto nel messaggio > Sheldon wrote:
>
> >>Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
> >> receptacle. �Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
> >> that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. �Have them
> >> changed, right away!
>
> >>http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf
>
> > Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles? What am I missing
> > here?
> > The backsplash grouting was finished only this morning and I went to Lowes
> > and found some copper outlet plates that I think blend in pretty nicely
> > with the glass tile. The almond colored ones the electrician placed seemed
> > to stand out more than I cared to see on the tile. I have no idea how to
> > change the actual plug portion. But I am I really worried about it either.
>
> While the plates are available different ways, or paintable whichj can be
> hand finished, the sockets themselves are available usually in dark brown
> and whiteish. �Don't listen to the old maid.

What do you know... NOTHING... ignoranus dago.

On Dec 4, 8:31�am, Sheldon > wrote:
> On Dec 3, 10:33 pm, Goomba > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Sheldon wrote:
> > > On Dec 3, 6:22 pm, Goomba > wrote:
> > >> Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together accurately
> > >> but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with the cabinets
> > >> and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly. I'm pleased as
> > >> punch.http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>
> > > Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
> > > receptacle. Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
> > > that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. Have them
> > > changed, right away!
>
> > >http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf
>
> > Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles?
> > What am I missing here?
>
> Conciousness and a positive attitude.
>
> There's a grey one too. �But color is not the entire point because
> Leviton makes them in many colors, it's the modern decorator look, not
> that ancient factory kind you now have.
>
> > The backsplash grouting was finished only this morning and I went to
> > Lowes and found some copper outlet plates that I think blend in pretty
> > nicely with the glass tile. The almond colored ones the electrician
> > placed seemed to stand out more than I cared to see on the tile.
>
> There are glass/lucite decorator plates too, they are available in
> various shades in smoked, clear/opaque... peruse the various
> electrical/renovator supply web sites.
>
> > have no idea how to change the actual plug portion.
>
> Removal of the old and connecting new is really quite simple (just
> remember to open the circuit breaker), I bet if you call your
> contractor he will do it for free.
>
> It's a shame to have a spanking new kitchen with those hideous
> eyesores.
>
> There are thousands of beautiful electrical wall devices, you only
> need look.
>
> Another by Leviton:http://www.acenti.net- Hide quoted text -

Check the brochu
http://www.acenti.net/pdf/Acenti_Brochure_2006.pdf

Sheldon wrote:

>> It's a shame to have a spanking new kitchen with those hideous
>> eyesores.
>>
>> There are thousands of beautiful electrical wall devices, you only
>> need look.
>>
>> Another by Leviton:http://www.acenti.net- Hide quoted text -
>
> Check the brochu
> http://www.acenti.net/pdf/Acenti_Brochure_2006.pdf
>

I do like the looks of that black triple outlet, and the stainless plates!

On Dec 4, 8:58�am, Goomba > wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> >> It's a shame to have a spanking new kitchen with those hideous
> >> eyesores.
>
> >> There are thousands of beautiful electrical wall devices, you only
> >> need look.
>
> >> Another by Leviton:http://www.acenti.net-Hide quoted text -
>
> > Check the brochu
> >http://www.acenti.net/pdf/Acenti_Brochure_2006.pdf
>
> I do like the looks of that black triple outlet, and the stainless plates!

There are marble plates available as well... can probably find them
very close to your counters.

They're a very inexpensive way to finish the appearance, you need only
a few, and they'll last a lifetime... compared to the cost of the
kitchen it would be foolish not to spend what amounts to pocket change
to do the job justice. It's the little touches when skimped on that
detract from the entire renovation.

Goomba wrote:
> Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together
> accurately but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with
> the cabinets and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly.
> I'm pleased as punch.
> http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg

Love that copper color glass (?) tile. It's gorgeous and looks
great with the counters.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together
>> accurately but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with
>> the cabinets and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly.
>> I'm pleased as punch.
>> http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>
> Love that copper color glass (?) tile. It's gorgeous and looks
> great with the counters.
>
> nancy

Thanks And yes, the tile is glass. Little bitty squares of all
various shades of copper colored glass.
I'm going to test drive it today making some sauce and lasagna for the
kids. No more worries of splatters on wall!! Hoorah!

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> Sheldon wrote:
> >>Geeze, your electician really screwed you with that ugly el cheapo
> >> receptacle. Whe didn't you have modern decorative ones installed, and
> >> that ancient white looks awful with your nice new decor. Have them
> >> changed, right away!
> >>
> >> http://assets.twacomm.com/assets/pdf/17398.pdf
> >
> > Hmmmmm.. the picture you sent is of white recepticles? What am I missing
> > here?

> While the plates are available different ways, or paintable whichj can be
> hand finished, the sockets themselves are available usually in dark brown
> and whiteish. Don't listen to the old maid.

One of the reasons I didn't killfile Sheldon for years was because my
client didn't have a killfile. Once I got a killfile, I still didn't
kill him for a couple of years, because he had some useful information.
The cite above mentions several colors, although there is no picture of
all of them, only white and gray.

I have no sense of aesthetics, so I won't comment on that, but white
does stand out, and will reduce questions like, "where's the outlet"?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Goomba wrote:
> Becca wrote:
>
>> Your new kitchen looked beautiful after the cabinet makers finished.
>> I can see how you would be pleased with your new backsplash.
>>
>>
>> If you are good with your hands, installing tile is not a problem.
>> Install the tile that does not need to be cut, then rent a tile saw
>> to finish the job. It looks messy, but it is not bad at all.
>>
>>
>> Becca
>
> Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together
> accurately but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with
> the cabinets and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly.
> I'm pleased as punch.
> http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg


Thanks for the photo. You chose a beautiful color for your backsplash.
It looks like a warm, comfortable kitchen.


Becca

Nancy Young wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together
>> accurately but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with
>> the cabinets and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly.
>> I'm pleased as punch.
>> http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>
> Love that copper color glass (?) tile. It's gorgeous and looks
> great with the counters.
>
> nancy


Ditto. Copper is a neutral color, and I love those glass tiles. Now I
want some! lol


Becca

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:48:28 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:
>
>I just had two tile guys here today putting in my glass tiled back
>splash. As I watched them work, I thought that most of it was probably
>something *I* could do myself?! I'm kind of psyched at the options open
>to me now if I can figure out the cutting parts.....
>I bet you could learn a lot helping or watching your friend work. Lucky
>you to have such a talented friend!

Tile is not too bad, my first tile job was a success and I merely
followed the instructions from a book. (I've done two other pretty
large jobs since then, no problems). Mirror tiles may be a slightly
different matter because if the tiles aren't in the same plane... the
reflection looks funny.

Other do-it-yourself can be far more difficult than the pros make it
look. I helped my cousin lay carpet one summer, and learned enough to
realize that I will always pay someone to do it right. I learned just
enough to be able to make a bad, lumpy job of it.

Best -- Terry

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> Thanks! Wanna see?! The colors don't come across all together
>>> accurately but you can see it- The copper colors look marvelous with
>>> the cabinets and pick up the copper specks in the granite perfectly.
>>> I'm pleased as punch.
>>> http://i34.tinypic.com/2py40gk.jpg
>>
>> Love that copper color glass (?) tile. It's gorgeous and looks
>> great with the counters.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Thanks And yes, the tile is glass. Little bitty squares of all various
> shades of copper colored glass.
> I'm going to test drive it today making some sauce and lasagna for the
> kids. No more worries of splatters on wall!! Hoorah!

Goomb, I'm so damned jealous of your kitchen I can't see straight! Wanna
adopt me? I do windows *and* dishes :-)

TammyM

On Wed 03 Dec 2008 08:48:40a, Dimitri told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Tue 02 Dec 2008 05:42:56p, Dimitri told us...
>>
>>>
>>> "val189" > wrote in message
>>> news:9b96ee26-a1c1-4438-ac0a-cf57127284b9
@w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like the silver lining. All on one level is a plus too.
>>>>
>>>> Start weeding out stuff you don't use and donate to Sal Army or
>>>> similar. Be ruthless.
>>>>
>>>> Get sturdy boxes from liquor store for packing.
>>>>
>>>> Start index card for all the to-dos. I used blue for before move
>>>> duties, pink for after settled in duties (like new driver's license).
>>>
>>>
>>> The best boxes for packing to move are as follows:
>>>
>>> 1 For general packing use Bankers Boxes - the kind used for file
>>> storage - they are easy to carry and stack and you can easily fill the
>>> boxes with books and still carry it. Be sure to mark several sides
with
>>> the contents. You can find packs of 10 at Staples or Office Max.
>>>
>>> 2. Wine boxes with the dividers intact are GREAT for packing glasses
>>> and wine glasses.
>>>
>>> 3. If there is a 99 cent store or similar it the best place to buy
>>> packing tape. If you can buy a tape gun it saves time and effort.
>>>
>>> 4. A giant black felt tip marker helps to mark the boxes.
>>>
>>> 5. The Post Office has a GREAT moving kit with a very good check
list
>>> and its free.
>>>
>>> 6. Beg borrow or rent an inexpensive hand truck with a large enough
>>> blade for the bankers boxes.
>>>
>>> 7. If you belong to Sam's Club - they have a moving kit with tape
>>> boxes and foam packing.
>>>
>>> We all want to keep everything but remember a hearse never will tow a
>>> trailer full of stuff.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And then there was the guy who was buried…trailer and all.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
>
> He may have been from Alabama or Arkansas.
>
> ;-)
>
> Dimitri
>
>

Actually, I think he was from Nevada.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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TammyM wrote:

>> Thanks And yes, the tile is glass. Little bitty squares of all various
>> shades of copper colored glass.
>> I'm going to test drive it today making some sauce and lasagna for the
>> kids. No more worries of splatters on wall!! Hoorah!
>
> Goomb, I'm so damned jealous of your kitchen I can't see straight! Wanna
> adopt me? I do windows *and* dishes :-)
>
> TammyM

You're too kind, Tammy. I'll tell you though- I kick myself for not
having done it years ago! If you get around to doing it, lemme know.
I'll tell you things I found and would or wouldn't do differently.
I read someplace that a average kitchen remodel can justifiably cost
about 30% of your home value. Mine came in for about 20%. I feel like we
made some really good cost saving compromises, and yet still splurged on
aspects. In fact, my biggest regret is not having spent a little extra
to get more of those cool secret "dope drawers" under more of the base
cabinets! I love them!!

Pennyaline wrote:
> <insert mental image of Pennyaline doing the dance of joy here, albeit
> short of breath>

Now insert image of me doing double dance of joy.

We got it.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:28:06 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>Pennyaline wrote:
>> <insert mental image of Pennyaline doing the dance of joy here, albeit
>> short of breath>
>
>Now insert image of me doing double dance of joy.
>
>We got it.

Now, what will be the first thing you will cook on the gas stove?

I know how you feel...I was so very, very excited when I got my house,
as my rfc friends will attest...And the fact that it had a gas stove
was cause for even more elation!!
I think I roasted my porno chicken or something like that..LOL.

Christine