On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:18:07 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>> i'm thinking that the u.s.d.a. and other sources are very conservative on
>> this matter. (i'm also thinking you left out a 'not' in 'They should be
>> left to "cool down".') but i see no real harm in letting them cool down *a
>> little* at room temp before jamming in the refrigerator. not hours and
>> hours, though.
>
> I may be enforcing restaurant rules too much here. I ate two Jimmy
> Dean breakfast biscuits with Sausage 'n Egg this morning that had
> been left out for 24 hours on my drafting table yesterday (after
> microwaving for 45 seconds).
>
> But I don't think a TV program/host should be suggesting anything so
> obnoxiously out of the bounds that any health inspector would frown
> upon. Even these pygmy backwoods folks.
>
> All Health inspectors in the US will insist that foods not in
> immediate service be stored and served at below 41F or above 140F.
>
> I have no problem eating many processed foods that have been without
> proper fridgeration for many hours. But I would never suggest or
> feed home-cooked foods without preservatives to people I care about
> that have been kept in the trunk of my car for 12 hours at
> indeterminate temps.
>
> -sw

nor i. i'm just saying i don't put hot foods *immediately* into the
refrigerator, as i think the u.s.d.a. and others might.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:16:47 -0800, Dave Bell wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.
>>
>> It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
>> Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
>> that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had. I
>> prefer to leave it in the locked car.
>
> Be glad you don't have bears...

sometimes i have snakes, but no one else seems to see them...

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:00:50 +1100, Welsh Dog wrote:

> On 03 Dec 2008 15:00:26 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>
>>That is perhaps the most absurd and potentially dangerous advice I've heard
>>of lately. I say this because of the climate of the state I live in here in
>>the US. It may be 35 degrees outside and by the time an hour or 2 has gone
>>by it might be 60 degress outside.
>
> Yet Delia Smith is famous in the UK!! She's had several TV series and
> has many, many books out. Why would she suggest something dangerous if
> she didn't think it was a viable option??
>
> Welshdog

she secretly hates her fellow brits.

your pal,
blake

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> Paco > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>
>>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>>
>> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.
>
> <yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
> Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
> $40 will buy you 25.


Now, Jerry, err, Steve read what you wrote. In your first sentence you
state that food should be refrigerated as soon as possible. Then in your
second sentence you state that food should be left to cool down anywhere
except in the fridge or freezer. Please make up your mind.

And I graciously decline your offer of many multiple "credible" sites
concerning food safety. I can reference The Simpsons, South Park and Family
Guy quite well on my own, thank you.

Go have another taco. ;-)~

-sw

On Wed 03 Dec 2008 08:04:18a, Michael "Dog3" told us...

> Wayne Boatwright >
> 5.250: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary
>> overnight food storage. I usually put whatever it is inside the gas
>> grill.
>
> Maybe I'm completely ignorant on this subject. Aren't you afraid the
> temps outside will vary and allow possible contamination of the food? I
> dunno. I don't know if it's something I'd do.
>
> Michael

I’m careful about what I choose to put outside, although the winter night
temperatures don’t vary that much here. I never put dairy products or
uncooked meats out there, only cooked food or fresh produce.


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On Wed 03 Dec 2008 08:16:47a, Dave Bell told us...

> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.
>>
>> It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
>> Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
>> that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had. I
>> prefer to leave it in the locked car.
>
> Be glad you don't have bears...
>

I’ve very glad we don’t’ have bears! I have enough problems fending off
coyotes and javalinas. ;-)

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On Thu 04 Dec 2008 12:01:12p, blake murphy told us...

> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:16:47 -0800, Dave Bell wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>>> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.
>>>
>>> It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
>>> Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
>>> that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had.
I
>>> prefer to leave it in the locked car.
>>
>> Be glad you don't have bears...
>
> sometimes i have snakes, but no one else seems to see them...
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

I know we have snakes, but I have never seen one here. I do see lizards.
They’re cute!

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Paco > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Paco > wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>>
>>>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>>>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>>>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>>>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>>>
>>> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.
>>
>> <yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
>> Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
>> $40 will buy you 25.
>
> Now, Jerry, err, Steve read what you wrote. In your first sentence you
> state that food should be refrigerated as soon as possible. Then in your
> second sentence you state that food should be left to cool down anywhere
> except in the fridge or freezer. Please make up your mind.

Obviously that should have said 'shouldn't.' I didn't correct it
with a followup post because I figured people would know what was
meant by reading for context.

You have fqailed. Now please **** off, Jerry.

-sw

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> Paco > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Paco > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>>>
>>>>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>>>>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>>>>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>>>>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>>>>
>>>> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.
>>>
>>> <yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
>>> Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
>>> $40 will buy you 25.
>>
>> Now, Jerry, err, Steve read what you wrote. In your first sentence you
>> state that food should be refrigerated as soon as possible. Then in your
>> second sentence you state that food should be left to cool down anywhere
>> except in the fridge or freezer. Please make up your mind.
>
> Obviously that should have said 'shouldn't.' I didn't correct it
> with a followup post because I figured people would know what was
> meant by reading for context.
>
> You have fqailed. Now please **** off, Jerry.
>
> -sw

Ah, in true Sauk fashion, you "assume" that everybody knows what you are
talking about, irregardless of spelling errors. Are you now going to insist
that dictionaries merely offer suggestions of how words are correctly
spelled? Then demand that the discussion is closed? You've been spending
way too much time in a.f.f-f, Steve. You're becoming Jerry.

-sw