Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!

Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
morning asking to come back in!!

Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!

Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
hemisphere cars of course?

Welshdog
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Welsh Dog > wrote:

> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!

Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
except in the fridge or freezer.

-sw (who does not like the recent Oz migration)

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:37:40 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:
>Welsh Dog > wrote:

>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!

>Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>except in the fridge or freezer.

>-sw (who does not like the recent Oz migration)

1. Re Oz migration... you migrating?? It's nice here!

2. Trouble with pushing hot food in a fridge is raising the
temperature of everything else? In a cold climate I'd have thought a
car boot would be ideal?

Welshdog
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Welsh Dog wrote:
> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
> morning asking to come back in!!
>
> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>
> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
> hemisphere cars of course?

I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
not too cold.

On Tue 02 Dec 2008 08:58:46p, Dave Smith told us...

> Welsh Dog wrote:
>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>
>> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
>> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
>> morning asking to come back in!!
>>
>> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
>> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>>
>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>> hemisphere cars of course?
>
> I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
> not too cold.

Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary overnight
food storage. I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.

--
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 02 Dec 2008 08:58:46p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> Welsh Dog wrote:
>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>
>>> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
>>> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
>>> morning asking to come back in!!
>>>
>>> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
>>> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>>>
>>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>>> hemisphere cars of course?
>> I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
>> not too cold.
>
> Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary overnight
> food storage.

Here in southern Ontario December temperatures hover around the freezing
point, using dipping below 0 (32F) at night, so putting things in the
trunk over night might result in freezing. Prepared foods that have to
be kept cold can go into the car during the day.



> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.

It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had. I
prefer to leave it in the locked car.

On Tue 02 Dec 2008 09:29:29p, Dave Smith told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Tue 02 Dec 2008 08:58:46p, Dave Smith told us...
>>
>>> Welsh Dog wrote:
>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny
>>>> things to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the
>>>> door by morning asking to come back in!!
>>>>
>>>> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
>>>> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>>>> hemisphere cars of course?
>>> I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
>>> not too cold.
>>
>> Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary
>> overnight food storage.
>
> Here in southern Ontario December temperatures hover around the freezing
> point, using dipping below 0 (32F) at night, so putting things in the
> trunk over night might result in freezing. Prepared foods that have to
> be kept cold can go into the car during the day.
>
>
>
>> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.
>
> It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
> Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
> that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had. I
> prefer to leave it in the locked car.

Well, of course, I don’t light the grill when storing something in it. Our
overnight temperatures are perfect for cold storage without freezing. The
lid is lockable, and anything I put in there is in a covered container. No
critter problem.

--
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:22:42 +1100, Welsh Dog >
wrote:

>Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>hemisphere cars of course?

Most of us (in the States) wouldn't consider it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>
>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
> except in the fridge or freezer.
>
> -sw

Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.

-sw

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:45:40 +1100, Welsh Dog >
wrote:

>1. Re Oz migration... you migrating?? It's nice here!

A friend emigrated to Australia a year ago. She has made a new life
there and is very, very happy.

I still haven't stepped foot in Australia, but I'd like to soon.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:22:42 +1100, Welsh Dog >
> wrote:
>
>>Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>>hemisphere cars of course?
>
> Most of us (in the States) wouldn't consider it.
>
>
> --
> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>
> Mae West

You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There is
a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> > Even in the Arizona winter it¹s usually cold enough for temporary overnight
> > food storage.
>
> Here in southern Ontario December temperatures hover around the freezing
> point, using dipping below 0 (32F) at night, so putting things in the
> trunk over night might result in freezing. Prepared foods that have to
> be kept cold can go into the car during the day.

We often leave things in the back of the truck overnight during cold
weather. There is a locking fiberglass shell that keeps critters away.
If it was colder here, it would be a problem, in that although the
fiberglass might insulate a little bit, the sides of the truck transmit
the cold very well. We have 3/4" plywood and a thick carpet remnant on
the floor of the bed. If it was colder here, we would put things in
camping ice chests. They would insulate against freezing, depending on
the mass of what is inside.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:36:30 -0800, sf > wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:45:40 +1100, Welsh Dog >
>wrote:

>>1. Re Oz migration... you migrating?? It's nice here!

>A friend emigrated to Australia a year ago. She has made a new life
>there and is very, very happy.

>I still haven't stepped foot in Australia, but I'd like to soon.

You'd be very welcome... but avoid Brisbane itself!!

Lots of nice places in Queensland... and as many in New South Wales.
Most of Australia is just *beautiful*... avoid Brisbane, it's home to
some strange people!

Welshdog
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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:36:48 -0500, "Paco" >
wrote:

>You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There is
>a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.

I could have said I don't know *anyone* who does that.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:36:48 -0500, "Paco" >
> wrote:
>
>>You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There
>>is
>>a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.
>
> I could have said I don't know *anyone* who does that.
>
>
Yes you do. "Paco" does that.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:36:48 -0500, "Paco" >
> wrote:
>
>>You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There
>>is
>>a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.
>
> I could have said I don't know *anyone* who does that.
>

Yes, you could have. Very encouraging to see that you recognize that
erroneous statement of yours. There may be hope for you yet.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:36:48 -0500, "Paco" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There
>>>is
>>>a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.
>>
>> I could have said I don't know *anyone* who does that.
>>
>>
> Yes you do. "Paco" does that.
>

I'm not quite sure if Barb "knows" me; are you? And you really don't know
if "Paco" does that, now do you?

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:36:48 -0500, "Paco" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>You may want to consider "some" or "many" in place of "most", sf. There
>>>is
>>>a lot of territory outside of the SFBA in the CONUS.
>>
>> I could have said I don't know *anyone* who does that.
>>
>>
> Yes you do. "Paco" does that.
>

As an aside, you do realize that this thread is playing into a troll, right?

Paco > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>
>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>
> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.

<yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
$40 will buy you 25.

-sw

-sw

In article >,
Welsh Dog > wrote:

> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
> morning asking to come back in!!
>
> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>
> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
> hemisphere cars of course?
>
> Welshdog

Only if the temp stays below 40 degrees F. <g>

I have plenty of refrigerator space so that's where it goes.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Welsh Dog > wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:37:40 -0600, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
> >Welsh Dog > wrote:
>
> >> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> >> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> >> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> >Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
> >hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
> >as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
> >except in the fridge or freezer.
>
> >-sw (who does not like the recent Oz migration)
>
> 1. Re Oz migration... you migrating?? It's nice here!
>
> 2. Trouble with pushing hot food in a fridge is raising the
> temperature of everything else? In a cold climate I'd have thought a
> car boot would be ideal?
>
> Welshdog

My back porch 'frige is 40 cubic feet. It's not going to affect the
temp. <g>

I could always do a quick cool in the chest freezer I guess, but I've
never done that.
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article 0>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Tue 02 Dec 2008 08:58:46p, Dave Smith told us...
>
> > Welsh Dog wrote:
> >> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> >> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> >> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
> >>
> >> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
> >> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
> >> morning asking to come back in!!
> >>
> >> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
> >> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
> >>
> >> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
> >> hemisphere cars of course?
> >
> > I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
> > not too cold.
>
> Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary overnight
> food storage. I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.

That's a good idea. That'd protect it from wandering critters.
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Dec 2, 9:22*pm, Welsh Dog > wrote:
> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40 C+ do funny things
> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
> morning asking to come back in!!
>
> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>
> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
> hemisphere cars of course?

I have a screened-in back porch. Any time it's at least as cold as
the refrigerator (November through March, usually), I have no
problem using it as such. In the very coldest weather it can get
below freezing, so I have to be careful about that, if the food isn't
supposed to freeze (like a head of lettuce).

It's convenient for me that the big food holidays (Thanksgiving and
Christmas) fall when it's cold out and I can use the porch for
supplemental refrigeration. I usually refer to it as "God's
refrigerator"
(even though I'm an atheist).

I'm about halfway up--at roughly 42 degrees N latitude.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:51 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> Paco > wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>
>>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>>
>> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.
>
> <yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
> Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
> $40 will buy you 25.
>
> -sw

i'm thinking that the u.s.d.a. and other sources are very conservative on
this matter. (i'm also thinking you left out a 'not' in 'They should be
left to "cool down".') but i see no real harm in letting them cool down *a
little* at room temp before jamming in the refrigerator. not hours and
hours, though.

your pal,
blake

Dave Smith wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>> I usually put whatever it is inside the gas grill.
>
> It doesn't get cold enough here to have to light the grill :-)
> Living in the country I have to worry about critters. We have raccoons
> that can be pretty resourceful if they suspect a free meal can be had. I
> prefer to leave it in the locked car.

Be glad you don't have bears...

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright >
> 5.250: in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Even in the Arizona winter it’s usually cold enough for temporary
>> overnight food storage. I usually put whatever it is inside the gas
>> grill.
>
> Maybe I'm completely ignorant on this subject. Aren't you afraid the temps
> outside will vary and allow possible contamination of the food? I dunno. I
> don't know if it's something I'd do.
>
> Michael

For the fifteen years we lived an hour north of San Francisco, Mom
always set the left-over turkey in the garage, covered in foil. I doubt
it ever got below 40F, but it did stay very cool. *Never once* did any
of us get sick from eating it...

Dave

"Welsh Dog" > wrote in message
...
> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>
> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
> morning asking to come back in!!
>
> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>
> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
> hemisphere cars of course?
>
> Welshdog
> --
>
> News and views... for people like youse!!
>
> Australian Opinion
> Now finally at http://australianopinion.com.au

My mother used to do that in the *winter* in Ohio. Often, it was just for a
couple of hours instead of overnight (unless she wanted frozen leftovers in
the morning!).

MaryL

"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> That is perhaps the most absurd and potentially dangerous advice I've heard
> of lately. I say this because of the climate of the state I live in here in
> the US. It may be 35 degrees outside and by the time an hour or 2 has gone
> by it might be 60 degress outside.

Usually not at night, and if that's likely the weather forecast
will generally say so. Temperatures in this area have been
running colder than average for the past month, so overnight temps
are mid 30s to mid 20s. Mr. Turkey went into the grill Thursday
night until I could cut him into smaller pieces Friday. The grill
has a nice heavy lid that the local critters can't open.

This is really a very common practice any place that has cold
weather. Sure, you need to pay attention and not let stuff
stay there the next day when it might get too warm, but it would
be quite unusual for it to go from 35 to 60 overnight.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:07:03 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:
>In article >,
> Welsh Dog > wrote:

<snip>

>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>> hemisphere cars of course?

>Only if the temp stays below 40 degrees F. <g>
>
>I have plenty of refrigerator space so that's where it goes.

I suppose it would depend on what you have available. Maybe the
fridges in the UK are usually small by comparison. I know mine in Oz
is far larger than I ever had in the UK.

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On 03 Dec 2008 15:00:26 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:
>Welsh Dog > news:c4rbj41drf9bi4n0kfobai6plvf4kc6k93@
>4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking

>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!

>> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
>> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
>> morning asking to come back in!!

>> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
>> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!

>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>> hemisphere cars of course?

>That is perhaps the most absurd and potentially dangerous advice I've heard
>of lately. I say this because of the climate of the state I live in here in
>the US. It may be 35 degrees outside and by the time an hour or 2 has gone
>by it might be 60 degress outside.

Yet Delia Smith is famous in the UK!! She's had several TV series and
has many, many books out. Why would she suggest something dangerous if
she didn't think it was a viable option??

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Dave Smith wrote:
> Welsh Dog wrote:
>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>
>> Wouldn't work here in Oz because temperatures of 40ºC+ do funny things
>> to poultry. If we left it out overnight it'd be tapping on the door by
>> morning asking to come back in!!
>>
>> Over there tho surely the weather is cold enough to make it a
>> reasonable option. Saves wrecking the fridge after all!
>>
>> Anyone else think leaving it overnight is acceptable... in Northern
>> hemisphere cars of course?
>
> I have left things in the car to cool here during winter.... if it is
> not too cold.


I have never left anything in the car, but I have left a pot of stew or
chili or spaghetti sauce outside the back door with snow mounded around
them to chill before putting in the refrigerator. It works quite well
if you can fasten the lid securely from "critters".

gloria p

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:32:47 -0500, Nina >
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 09:00:50 +1100, Welsh Dog >
>wrote:
>>On 03 Dec 2008 15:00:26 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:
>>>Welsh Dog > news:c4rbj41drf9bi4n0kfobai6plvf4kc6k93@
>>>4ax.com: in rec.food.cooking

>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!

<snip>

>>Yet Delia Smith is famous in the UK!! She's had several TV series and
>>has many, many books out. Why would she suggest something dangerous if
>>she didn't think it was a viable option??

>Sure, but famous doesn't always mean smart. She might think it a
>viable option, but, hey, I've had lots of stupid ideas in my time,
>too.

>Having said that, UK refrigerators run small, and at the right time of
>year, this probably isn't the worst idea in the world. At night, when
>the temperature is cool, this is probably reasonably safe.

Here's the link to the story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...-boot-car.html

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Nina wrote:
>
>>> That is perhaps the most absurd and potentially dangerous advice I've heard
>>> of lately. I say this because of the climate of the state I live in here in
>>> the US. It may be 35 degrees outside and by the time an hour or 2 has gone
>>> by it might be 60 degress outside.
>> Yet Delia Smith is famous in the UK!! She's had several TV series and
>> has many, many books out. Why would she suggest something dangerous if
>> she didn't think it was a viable option??
>
> Sure, but famous doesn't always mean smart. She might think it a
> viable option, but, hey, I've had lots of stupid ideas in my time,
> too.
>
> Having said that, UK refrigerators run small, and at the right time of
> year, this probably isn't the worst idea in the world. At night, when
> the temperature is cool, this is probably reasonably safe.

One would expect that the viewers would be bright enough to consider
their local climate and figure out for themselves whether or not it is a
good idea to leave turkey in the trunk. I don't know if it was a
seasonal special, but turkey usually is a seasonal meat, usually served
at Thanksgiving and Christmas. If you live in a northern climate, as
Deliah does, it will be cool enough to safely cool turkey in the car,
but if you live in a hotter climate it is not going to be a good idea.


FWIW... around here... if you are having a party during winter, beer and
wine can be cooled outside. Further north that would be a bad idea
because it would likely freeze.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>> Even in the Arizona winter it¹s usually cold enough for temporary overnight
>>> food storage.
>> Here in southern Ontario December temperatures hover around the freezing
>> point, using dipping below 0 (32F) at night, so putting things in the
>> trunk over night might result in freezing. Prepared foods that have to
>> be kept cold can go into the car during the day.
>
> We often leave things in the back of the truck overnight during cold
> weather. There is a locking fiberglass shell that keeps critters away.
> If it was colder here, it would be a problem, in that although the
> fiberglass might insulate a little bit, the sides of the truck transmit
> the cold very well. We have 3/4" plywood and a thick carpet remnant on
> the floor of the bed. If it was colder here, we would put things in
> camping ice chests. They would insulate against freezing, depending on
> the mass of what is inside.
>


I've kept a frozen turkey in the back of my truck for *weeks* before
(purchased on sale in January) when there wasn't room in the freezer for
it. And I sometimes leave meat or frozen foods in the car overnight in
winter and put them away or cook them the next day.

Just don't forget about it if you leave something in the trunk (boot)
out of sight, or you may have a nasty surprise in the spring or
early-summer... ~(_8^(|)

Bob

On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:13 -0500, Nina >
wrote:
>On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:00:43 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>Nina wrote:

<snip>

>>One would expect that the viewers would be bright enough to consider
>>their local climate and figure out for themselves whether or not it is a
>>good idea to leave turkey in the trunk. I don't know if it was a
>>seasonal special, but turkey usually is a seasonal meat, usually served
>>at Thanksgiving and Christmas. If you live in a northern climate, as
>>Deliah does, it will be cool enough to safely cool turkey in the car,
>>but if you live in a hotter climate it is not going to be a good idea.

>Well, she lives in Norfolk. I've spent plenty of Christmases there,
>and some of the time, it's actually pretty warm. Turkey is usually a
>Christmas thing in the UK... (and of course, no Thanksgiving).

>But like most *general* advice, you have to assume, as you say, that
>the viewers are bright enough to figure out when this might be an
>appropriate thing to do.

Current temperature at 2:37 a.m. in the UK is 5ºC which I would have
thought is cool enough to keep a turkey at a safe temperature??

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Nina wrote:

>> at Thanksgiving and Christmas. If you live in a northern climate, as
>> Deliah does, it will be cool enough to safely cool turkey in the car,
>> but if you live in a hotter climate it is not going to be a good idea.
>
> Well, she lives in Norfolk. I've spent plenty of Christmases there,
> and some of the time, it's actually pretty warm. Turkey is usually a
> Christmas thing in the UK... (and of course, no Thanksgiving).
>
> But like most *general* advice, you have to assume, as you say, that
> the viewers are bright enough to figure out when this might be an
> appropriate thing to do.


It is appropriate for me..... weather permitting. I just stick my head
out the door and check the forecast to make sure that it will be nice
and cool, but not freezing.

And BTW.... it is best to use the trunk. If you put it in the passenger
compartment the sun can warm up the interior even on a cold day.

blake murphy > wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 05:01:51 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> Paco > wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Welsh Dog > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Back in the UK Master Chef Delia Smith recently advocated leaving a
>>>>> dish of cooked turkey legs in the car boot *overnight* to cool before
>>>>> being properly refrigerated if eaten cold!
>>>>
>>>> Every serious cook, and anybody who knows anything about food
>>>> hygeine, knows that even the hottest foods should get refrigerated
>>>> as soon as possible. They should be left to "cool down" anywhere
>>>> except in the fridge or freezer.
>>>
>>> Somebody is having a "Jerry" moment.
>>
>> <yawn> I see you don't know anything about food safety either.
>> Care for some credible cites? For $20 I'll provide you with 10.
>> $40 will buy you 25.
>
> i'm thinking that the u.s.d.a. and other sources are very conservative on
> this matter. (i'm also thinking you left out a 'not' in 'They should be
> left to "cool down".') but i see no real harm in letting them cool down *a
> little* at room temp before jamming in the refrigerator. not hours and
> hours, though.

I may be enforcing restaurant rules too much here. I ate two Jimmy
Dean breakfast biscuits with Sausage 'n Egg this morning that had
been left out for 24 hours on my drafting table yesterday (after
microwaving for 45 seconds).

But I don't think a TV program/host should be suggesting anything so
obnoxiously out of the bounds that any health inspector would frown
upon. Even these pygmy backwoods folks.

All Health inspectors in the US will insist that foods not in
immediate service be stored and served at below 41F or above 140F.

I have no problem eating many processed foods that have been without
proper fridgeration for many hours. But I would never suggest or
feed home-cooked foods without preservatives to people I care about
that have been kept in the trunk of my car for 12 hours at
indeterminate temps.

-sw

On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 18:18:28 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

>This is really a very common practice any place that has cold
>weather. Sure, you need to pay attention and not let stuff
>stay there the next day when it might get too warm, but it would
>be quite unusual for it to go from 35 to 60 overnight.

I can understand setting things out in a protected place if there's
snow on the ground and the temperature stays cold. I was able to wear
Bermuda shorts too many times in winter (with 3 feet of snow on the
ground) to think that practice would be advisable during the daytime -
even in the dead of a snowy winter. Maybe burying it in a snowbank
would work for daytime.


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On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:03:46 +1100, Welsh Dog >
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:36:30 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>On Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:45:40 +1100, Welsh Dog >
>>wrote:
>
>>>1. Re Oz migration... you migrating?? It's nice here!
>
>>A friend emigrated to Australia a year ago. She has made a new life
>>there and is very, very happy.
>
>>I still haven't stepped foot in Australia, but I'd like to soon.
>
>You'd be very welcome... but avoid Brisbane itself!!

HEH! My friend lives in Brisbane and LOVES it. Frankly, it never
occurred to me to question her about it. I live in a city too. She's
also used to living in a city, so she probably thinks Brisbane is
normal.
>
>Lots of nice places in Queensland... and as many in New South Wales.
>Most of Australia is just *beautiful*
>
So I've heard!

>... avoid Brisbane, it's home to some strange people!

As does any decent sized city. Australia doesn't have scary cities.
I can take it (to a point).

However, I don't plan to ever visit India. <shudder> Just the
thought of that place sends chills up my spine.


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On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:10:54 GMT, Janet Baraclough
> wrote:

> It's a fabulous country, and greatly underestimated imo as a travel
>destination.
>An increasing number of Brits I know, spend winter in Australia.

I hear a two-fer with NZ is fabulous.


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