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"SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote:

> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
> > SteveB wrote:
> >> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message

> >>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.

> >> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
> >> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.

> > I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
> > cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets his
> > pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician adjusts his
> > dosage.

> > I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one.

> Well, believe it or not, there are doctors out there who don't know what
> they are doing. Any doctor that tells his patient on coumadin that they
> don't have to avoid foods should be flipping burgers. Apparently your
> husband's cardiologist is one of those. But he's probably be crappy
> flipping burgers, too.

Doctors have many legitimate reasons for giving advice that is different
from other doctors. There are also many reasons for a doctor to give
different advice to patients with the same condition. Among these are
dosage level, lab result history, other conditions and patient
compliance.

> I submit that if you get any information provided by the makers of Coumadin
> that there is a list of foods that people on coumadin should completely
> avoid, if not severely restrict their intake.

The following source says to avoid cranberries and alcohol, and gives a
list of foods (including spinach) that you should not change the amount
you eat without talking to your doctor:

http://www.drugs.com/coumadin.html

The following source says:

"Avoid sudden large increases or decreases in your intake of foods high
in vitamin K (such as broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, Brussels sprouts,
kale, spinach, and other green leafy vegetables, liver, green tea,
certain vitamin supplements)."

It also gives a limit for cranberry juice.

https://members.kaiserpermanente.org...ails.do?drugID
=270211

> I don't have a degree either, but have been going through this for fifteen
> years now, and have a brother and sister who have done the same. My sis is
> 1.5 years post transplant now, and had was the first woman in the United
> States to get a LVA.
>
> I do not know everything, but I really do know what I know.

I do not take Coumadin or know anyone well who does. I visit the lab
all too often. I have to wait in line, show my health plan card,
sometimes a photo id and then sit in the waiting room until I'm called.
I see people walk in and the receptionist says, "Hi John, have a seat
and I'll check you in". Those are the Warfarin (what my HMO calls
Coumadin) patients. I do *not* want to be on a first name basis with
the lab people!

:-)

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>
>> So, are you a cardiologist? Janet said that her husband's cardiologist
>> told them there wasn't anything he needed to watch out for. Either foods
>> or portions.
>
> I never wrote anything about portions, Steve. I think you are
> over-reacting and probably adding a whole lot of personal whatever to this
> thread.
>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

No, just responding to your statements that your husband's cardiologist said
he had no foods he could not eat and no limits. Even though he takes
coumadin.

Steve

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In article >,
"SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote:

> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
> > SteveB wrote:
> >
> >> So, are you a cardiologist? Janet said that her husband's cardiologist
> >> told them there wasn't anything he needed to watch out for. Either foods
> >> or portions.
> >
> > I never wrote anything about portions, Steve. I think you are
> > over-reacting and probably adding a whole lot of personal whatever to this
> > thread.

> No, just responding to your statements that your husband's cardiologist said
> he had no foods he could not eat and no limits. Even though he takes
> coumadin.

How about if we stop with the "he said she said"? It's easy enough to
look up what was said. Granted, it was a long time ago (last night):

"His
cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods"

That's what Janet posted. If anybody else can find anything else, go
for it.

If Steve's doctor says that there are three foods, including spinach,
that Steve shouldn't eat under any circumstances, then that's what Steve
should do.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

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"Dan Abel" > wrote in message

>
> If Steve's doctor says that there are three foods, including spinach,
> that Steve shouldn't eat under any circumstances, then that's what Steve
> should do.

If he really wants to eat them, he should get a second opinion from Janet's
husband's cardiologist.

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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>
>>
>> If Steve's doctor says that there are three foods, including spinach,
>> that Steve shouldn't eat under any circumstances, then that's what Steve
>> should do.
>
> If he really wants to eat them, he should get a second opinion from
> Janet's husband's cardiologist.

I think I will. I hate taking over 400 doses of meds every month. This is
going to save me a bunch of money. Think of all the things I can buy now
that I formerly considered bad for me. Wait, does that include good
bourbon, $3 Exacta tickets and topheavy women? Where can I find Dr.
Feelgood?

Steve ;-)

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SteveB wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>>
>>> If Steve's doctor says that there are three foods, including spinach,
>>> that Steve shouldn't eat under any circumstances, then that's what Steve
>>> should do.
>> If he really wants to eat them, he should get a second opinion from
>> Janet's husband's cardiologist.
>
> I think I will. I hate taking over 400 doses of meds every month. This is
> going to save me a bunch of money. Think of all the things I can buy now
> that I formerly considered bad for me. Wait, does that include good
> bourbon, $3 Exacta tickets and topheavy women? Where can I find Dr.
> Feelgood?
>
> Steve ;-)
>
>

Harlingen, Texas <g>

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

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"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> If Steve's doctor says that there are three foods, including spinach,
>>>> that Steve shouldn't eat under any circumstances, then that's what
>>>> Steve
>>>> should do.
>>> If he really wants to eat them, he should get a second opinion from
>>> Janet's husband's cardiologist.
>>
>> I think I will. I hate taking over 400 doses of meds every month. This
>> is going to save me a bunch of money. Think of all the things I can buy
>> now that I formerly considered bad for me. Wait, does that include good
>> bourbon, $3 Exacta tickets and topheavy women? Where can I find Dr.
>> Feelgood?
>>
>> Steve ;-)
>
> Harlingen, Texas <g>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder

Thank you. If I am ever ill in Harlingen, Texas, I shall know to drive to
the next populated area before seeking medical attention.

Steve