"SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve

My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat them
in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach every day
for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of whack for the
PT test.

Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you care
to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?

Thanks in advance.

Steve

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In article >,
"SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote:

> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you care
> to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve

One comment only...

Atkins was a Cardiologist.
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote:
>
>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>> care
>> to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
>> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Steve
>
> One comment only...
>
> Atkins was a Cardiologist.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity
> cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Yep.....

AKA just fry the chicken and forget the batter.

:-)

Dimitri

From

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_..._(nutritionist)

Robert Coleman Atkins, MD (October 17, 1930 – April 17, 2003) was an
American physician and cardiologist, best known for the Atkins Nutritional
Approach (or "Atkins Diet"), a popular but controversial way of dieting that
entails close control of carbohydrate consumption, emphasizing protein and
fat intake, including saturated fat in addition to leaf vegetables and
dietary supplements.
Atkins graduated from the University of Michigan in 1951 and received a
medical degree from Weill Cornell Medical College in 1955, after which he
specialized in cardiology and complementary medicine.
On April 8, 2003, at age 72, Dr. Atkins slipped on the ice while walking to
work, hitting his head and causing bleeding around his brain. He lost
consciousness on the way to the hospital, where he spent two weeks in
intensive care. His death certificate states that the cause of death was
"blunt impact injury of head with epidural hematoma".[1]

SteveB wrote:
> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you care
> to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Steve
>
Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three angioplasties,
and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I don't take
coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in moderation. I take
simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it does a good job on 1.5
tablets per day.

As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease, at
least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age 24,
Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76, and one
is now 94 years old but not able to function much.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
> ...
>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
>> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Steve
>
> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
> affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat
> them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach every
> day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of whack
> for the PT test.
>

They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When she
came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he wasn't
the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one of the few
things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking coumadin. He
prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have to be careful
about food and drug interactions.

Jill

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
> ...
>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
>> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Steve
>
> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
> affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat them
> in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach every day
> for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of whack for the
> PT test.
>
>
My DH takes it, too. His doctor told him not to drastically increase the
amount of vitamin K containing foods in his diet, but the doctor also
said that is incumbent upon the physician to make sure the patient has
frequent INR blood tests and and then adjust the patient's dosage
accordingly.

I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content
on things I'm not familiar with.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

jmcquown wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
>> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
>> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
>> be out of whack for the PT test.
>>
>
> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When
> she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he
> wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one
> of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking
> coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have
> to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>
> Jill

He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>
> I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content on
> things I'm not familiar with.
>

I have two PDF files of the vitamin K of most any food. One is in
alphabetical order, the other by contend, descending order. Each is about
160kb. Email me if you want a copy of them.


--

They are 20 pages long. As you can see, greens aver very high.
Kale, frozen, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 130 1 cup 1146.6

11234 Kale, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 130 1 cup 1062.1

11164 Collards, frozen, chopped, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 170 1
cup 1059.4

11464 Spinach, frozen, chopped or leaf, cooked, boiled, drained, without
salt 190 1 cup 1027.3

11461 Spinach, canned, drained solids 214 1 cup 987.8

11458 Spinach, cooked, boiled, drained, without salt 180 1 cup 888.5

Others are very low.

11205 Cucumber, with peel, raw 104 1 cup 17.1

09306 Raspberries, frozen, red, sweetened 250 1 cup 16.3

11135 Cauliflower, raw 100 1 cup 16.0

19087 Candies, white chocolate 170 1 cup 15.5

04135 Salad dressing, home recipe, vinegar and oil 15.6 1 tbsp 15.4

12147 Nuts, pine nuts, dried 28.35 1 oz 15.3

21138 Fast foods, potato, french fried in vegetable oil 134 1 medium 15.0

"SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote
> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top three
> things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>
> Where did you get your medical degree?
>

Jeeze. You're cranky today.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>>>> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
>>> affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat
>>> them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach
>>> every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of
>>> whack for the PT test.
>>>
>>
>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When
>> she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he
>> wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one
>> of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking
>> coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have
>> to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>>
>> Jill
>
> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top three
things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.

Where did you get your medical degree?

Steve

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>
>> I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content
>> on things I'm not familiar with.
>>
>
> I have two PDF files of the vitamin K of most any food. One is in
> alphabetical order, the other by contend, descending order. Each is about
> 160kb. Email me if you want a copy of them.

Ed, I prolly got them, being 6.5 years post CABG AVR now. But would
appreciate any info to add to my collection.



Steve

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content on
>> things I'm not familiar with.
>>
>
> I have two PDF files of the vitamin K of most any food. One is in
> alphabetical order, the other by contend, descending order. Each is about
> 160kb. Email me if you want a copy of them.
>
>
Thank you. I will

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

SteveB wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>>>>> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
>>>> affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat
>>>> them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach
>>>> every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of
>>>> whack for the PT test.
>>>>
>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When
>>> she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he
>>> wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one
>>> of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking
>>> coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have
>>> to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life
>
> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top three
> things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>
> Where did you get your medical degree?

I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets
his pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician adjusts
his dosage.

I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one. I'd
rather listen to a licensed cardiologist than you. YMMV


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>>>>>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>>>>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
>>>>> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
>>>>> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
>>>>> be out of whack for the PT test.
>>>>>
>>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>>> When she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her
>>>> on (he wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out
>>>> spinach is one of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach
>>>> if she's taking coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead.
>>>> You do indeed have to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
>> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>
>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>
> I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
> cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets his
> pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician adjusts his
> dosage.
>
> I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one. I'd
> rather listen to a licensed cardiologist than you. YMMV
>
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

Well, believe it or not, there are doctors out there who don't know what
they are doing. Any doctor that tells his patient on coumadin that they
don't have to avoid foods should be flipping burgers. Apparently your
husband's cardiologist is one of those. But he's probably be crappy
flipping burgers, too.

I submit that if you get any information provided by the makers of Coumadin
that there is a list of foods that people on coumadin should completely
avoid, if not severely restrict their intake.

I don't have a degree either, but have been going through this for fifteen
years now, and have a brother and sister who have done the same. My sis is
1.5 years post transplant now, and had was the first woman in the United
States to get a LVA.

I do not know everything, but I really do know what I know.

Steve

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
...
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>> I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content
>>> on things I'm not familiar with.
>>>
>>
>> I have two PDF files of the vitamin K of most any food. One is in
>> alphabetical order, the other by contend, descending order. Each is about
>> 160kb. Email me if you want a copy of them.
>>
>>
> Thank you. I will
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

But Janet, I thought you said your husband's cardiologist said he could eat
anything. Now I am confused.

Steve

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> > One comment only...
> >
> > Atkins was a Cardiologist.
>
> Yep.....
>
> AKA just fry the chicken and forget the batter.
>
> :-)
>
> Dimitri

Exactly... Breading is more evil than the fat.
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Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> SteveB wrote:
> > Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
> > care
> > to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
> > coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three angioplasties,
> and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I don't take
> coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in moderation. I take
> simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it does a good job on 1.5
> tablets per day.
>
> As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease, at
> least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age 24,
> Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76, and one
> is now 94 years old but not able to function much.

The question is, is it really genetics, or familial eating habits?
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
> >>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
> >>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>
> >> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
> >> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
> >> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
> >> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
> >> be out of whack for the PT test.
> >>
> >
> > They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When
> > she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he
> > wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one
> > of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking
> > coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have
> > to be careful about food and drug interactions.
> >
> > Jill
>
> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.

Uh, I think that's harder than you think. You'd have to have access to
constant lab testing.
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sat 06 Dec 2008 10:26:49p, SteveB told us...

>
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> SteveB wrote:
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery).
>>>>>>> Would you care to share your recipes and food practices with
>>>>>>> regard to cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>>>>>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK
>>>>>> if you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you
>>>>>> eat spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month,
>>>>>> you will be out of whack for the PT test.
>>>>>>
>>>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>>>> When she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had
>>>>> her on (he wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out
>>>>> spinach is one of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat
>>>>> spinach if she's taking coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin
>>>>> instead. You do indeed have to be careful about food and drug
>>>>> interactions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Janet Wilder
>>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>>
>>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
>>> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>>
>>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>>
>> I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
>> cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets
>> his pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician
>> adjusts his dosage.
>>
>> I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one. I'd
>> rather listen to a licensed cardiologist than you. YMMV
>>
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life
>
> Well, believe it or not, there are doctors out there who don't know what
> they are doing. Any doctor that tells his patient on coumadin that they
> don't have to avoid foods should be flipping burgers. Apparently your
> husband's cardiologist is one of those. But he's probably be crappy
> flipping burgers, too.
>
> I submit that if you get any information provided by the makers of
> Coumadin that there is a list of foods that people on coumadin should
> completely avoid, if not severely restrict their intake.
>
> I don't have a degree either, but have been going through this for
> fifteen years now, and have a brother and sister who have done the same.
> My sis is 1.5 years post transplant now, and had was the first woman in
> the United States to get a LVA.
>
> I do not know everything, but I really do know what I know.
>
> Steve
>
>
>

This is a pretty good reference regarding coumadin and vitamin K. It
includes specific information on the body's vitamin K requrements, the
recommendation of how much vitamin K should be consumed when taking
coumadin, and many of the foods that have high levels of vitamin K. In
general, the recommendation is consumption of no more than 60% of the DV
(daily value). Some of the foods listed contain 650% of the DV in a
serving.

Spinach, for example contains 560% of the DV in a 1/2 cup serving of cooked
spinach. It is No. 2 on the list of foods containing high amounts of
vitamin K. While it is not "forbidden", consumption of foods on the list
should be severely limited.

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/coumadin1.pdf

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SteveB wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>>>>> care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what foods
>>>> affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if you eat
>>>> them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat spinach
>>>> every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will be out of
>>>> whack for the PT test.
>>>>
>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital. When
>>> she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on (he
>>> wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is one
>>> of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's taking
>>> coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed have
>>> to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life
>
> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top three
> things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>
> Where did you get your medical degree?
>
> Steve
>
Well, actually we *do* tell our patients that they can have moderate
amounts of these vegetables as long as the consumption is consistent
and in routine amounts. The routine consumption of Vit K rich vegetables
will be accounted for in their routine labs. The problems come up when
people eat them only occasionally or eat far more or less than they have
been accustomed to.
Patients don't need to do any "adjusting" of their medicine to
accommodate the intake. The routine labs will show if their PT level is
therapeutic or not and the doctor will adjust the daily dose as needed.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> George Shirley > wrote:
>
>> SteveB wrote:
>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
>>> care
>>> to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
>>> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>> Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three angioplasties,
>> and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I don't take
>> coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in moderation. I take
>> simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it does a good job on 1.5
>> tablets per day.
>>
>> As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease, at
>> least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age 24,
>> Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76, and one
>> is now 94 years old but not able to function much.
>
> The question is, is it really genetics, or familial eating habits?

All of my doctors, who look at the family history, say it is genetic.
After having my carotids reamed I believe them. Had been on Zocor for
many years when the carotids clogged up. Then there's the 42 Transient
Ischemic Attacks and the 4 major strokes since 2000, been eating healthy
since 1987. I'm still kicking but not as high as I used to. <G>

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > George Shirley > wrote:
> >
> >> SteveB wrote:
> >>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would you
> >>> care
> >>> to share your recipes and food practices with regard to cholesterol,
> >>> coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >> Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three angioplasties,
> >> and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I don't take
> >> coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in moderation. I take
> >> simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it does a good job on 1.5
> >> tablets per day.
> >>
> >> As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease, at
> >> least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age 24,
> >> Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76, and one
> >> is now 94 years old but not able to function much.
> >
> > The question is, is it really genetics, or familial eating habits?
>
> All of my doctors, who look at the family history, say it is genetic.
> After having my carotids reamed I believe them. Had been on Zocor for
> many years when the carotids clogged up. Then there's the 42 Transient
> Ischemic Attacks and the 4 major strokes since 2000, been eating healthy
> since 1987. I'm still kicking but not as high as I used to. <G>

Keep on keepin' on. :-)
I wish you well...

All I know is that I learned bad eating habits early on in life. Only
later, when I took an interest in it and started doing my homework, did
that change... I can't help but think that contributes.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Janet Wilder > wrote:
>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>> >>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>> >>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks in advance.
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve
>> >>
>> >> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>> >> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
>> >> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
>> >> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
>> >> be out of whack for the PT test.
>> >>
>> >
>> > They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>> > When
>> > she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on
>> > (he
>> > wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is
>> > one
>> > of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's
>> > taking
>> > coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed
>> > have
>> > to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>> >
>> > Jill
>>
>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>
> Uh, I think that's harder than you think. You'd have to have access to
> constant lab testing.
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity
> cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama



And at that point I wasn't about to limit what she could/would eat for sake
of coumadin. The daily low-dose aspirin accomplished the same thing. And
she could eat Stouffer's Spinach Souffle with impunity It was all about
making her comfortable, in the end. And she was comfortable. She died in
her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her by her side.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> > They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>> > When
>>> > she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on
>>> > (he
>>> > wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is
>>> > one
>>> > of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's
>>> > taking
>>> > coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead.

Asprin is not a one for one substitute and they are often taken along with
coumadin. depending on the level needed.



> It was all about making her comfortable, in the end. And she was
> comfortable. She died in her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her
> by her side.
>
> Jill

That is the right way. Comfort trumps any drug reactions, especially as the
end draws near. You did the right thing.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > Janet Wilder > wrote:
> >
> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >> > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>
> >> >> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
> >> >>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
> >> >>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks in advance.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Steve
> >> >>
> >> >> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
> >> >> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
> >> >> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
> >> >> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
> >> >> be out of whack for the PT test.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
> >> > When
> >> > she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her on
> >> > (he
> >> > wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out spinach is
> >> > one
> >> > of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach if she's
> >> > taking
> >> > coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead. You do indeed
> >> > have
> >> > to be careful about food and drug interactions.
> >> >
> >> > Jill
> >>
> >> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
> >
> > Uh, I think that's harder than you think. You'd have to have access to
> > constant lab testing.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> > "Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity
> > cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama
>
>
>
> And at that point I wasn't about to limit what she could/would eat for sake
> of coumadin. The daily low-dose aspirin accomplished the same thing. And
> she could eat Stouffer's Spinach Souffle with impunity It was all about
> making her comfortable, in the end. And she was comfortable. She died in
> her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her by her side.
>
> Jill

You did exactly the right thing. :-) Palliative measures are all that
really matter once people reach a certain point. Been there, done that.
<hugs>
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>> And at that point I wasn't about to limit what she could/would eat for
>> sake
>> of coumadin. The daily low-dose aspirin accomplished the same thing.
>> And
>> she could eat Stouffer's Spinach Souffle with impunity It was all
>> about
>> making her comfortable, in the end. And she was comfortable. She died
>> in
>> her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her by her side.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You did exactly the right thing. :-) Palliative measures are all that
> really matter once people reach a certain point. Been there, done that.
> <hugs>
> --
> Peace! Om
>
That's all it was at that point, palliative care. I had in-home hospice
care nurses and CNA's from a local caregiver service so I could get some
relief. She was dying and everyone knew it. Tell her she couldn't eat
spinach? I don't think so! She died comfortably, in peace, in her own
home. That's all that matters.

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> >> >> jmcquown wrote:
> >> And at that point I wasn't about to limit what she could/would eat for
> >> sake
> >> of coumadin. The daily low-dose aspirin accomplished the same thing.
> >> And
> >> she could eat Stouffer's Spinach Souffle with impunity It was all
> >> about
> >> making her comfortable, in the end. And she was comfortable. She died
> >> in
> >> her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her by her side.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > You did exactly the right thing. :-) Palliative measures are all that
> > really matter once people reach a certain point. Been there, done that.
> > <hugs>
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> That's all it was at that point, palliative care. I had in-home hospice
> care nurses and CNA's from a local caregiver service so I could get some
> relief. She was dying and everyone knew it. Tell her she couldn't eat
> spinach? I don't think so! She died comfortably, in peace, in her own
> home. That's all that matters.
>
> Jill

I often wish mom had died at home... <sigh>
It would have been more comfortable.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:52:33 -0600, Janet Wilder wrote:

> SteveB wrote:
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top three
>> things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>
>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>
> I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
> cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets
> his pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician adjusts
> his dosage.
>
> I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one. I'd
> rather listen to a licensed cardiologist than you. YMMV

my dad began taking coumadin a year or so ago. from what i could glean
from web research, this is correct, assuming you have someone closely
monitoring the blood tests. but i would also guess there are many lazy
physicians out there who find it easier to say 'don't eat spinach' or beans
or onions or any of the many other items on the 'foods to avoid' list.

to the original poster, steve b: there was a discussion here at that time,
i think with 'coumadin' in the subject line that you could search for.

here are some snippets from that thread, circa 12/07 (i hope those persons
quoted don't mind):

I have been taking the damned rat poison for about a year and
have achieved the desired level of stability. I have only been
warned to limit my intake (not give up) of green vegetables.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

This article specifically mentions fried and boiled
onions are to be avoided:

<http://www.dietitian.com/vitamink.html>

This article has a table which lists white and yellow
onions as low in K, but green onions as high in K.

<http://www.drgourmet.com/warfarin/vegetables.shtml>

(mark thorson)

Hmmm.. believe it not I've never heard of the "No Onions" warning. I
used to council patients all the time about the Vit K aspect. In fact,
Vit K isn't as much a problem as long as the intake is *consistent*
rather than 3 pounds of greens eaten one day and none the next and so
on... A stable intake is tolerable as the monitoring labs will remain
stable and the dose not altered based on faulty lab results.
I'll have to look into this "no onions" idea.....

(goomba)

Onions are listed under foods that are low in vitamin K.
http://www.heartpoint.com/coumadin.html

My f-i-l has been taking coumadin for 15 years now. He has his blood
tested
constantly. Everytime he sees a dentist even, he has his blood tested. He
has never been warned about eating onions. He has loads of doctors (top
notch mostly) and has been under dietary care for years now.

BTW, he loves onions.
Dee Dee


your pal,
blake

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.250...
> On Sat 06 Dec 2008 10:26:49p, SteveB told us...
>
>>
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery).
>>>>>>>> Would you care to share your recipes and food practices with
>>>>>>>> regard to cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>>>>>>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK
>>>>>>> if you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you
>>>>>>> eat spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month,
>>>>>>> you will be out of whack for the PT test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>>>>> When she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had
>>>>>> her on (he wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out
>>>>>> spinach is one of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat
>>>>>> spinach if she's taking coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin
>>>>>> instead. You do indeed have to be careful about food and drug
>>>>>> interactions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Janet Wilder
>>>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>>>
>>>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
>>>> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>>>
>>>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>>>
>>> I have a husband who has been taking coumadin for 7 years. His
>>> cardiologist has told him that he doesn't have to avoid foods. He gets
>>> his pro-time or INR checked every 3 to 4 weeks and the physician
>>> adjusts his dosage.
>>>
>>> I don't have a medical degree, but my husband's physician has one. I'd
>>> rather listen to a licensed cardiologist than you. YMMV
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> Well, believe it or not, there are doctors out there who don't know what
>> they are doing. Any doctor that tells his patient on coumadin that they
>> don't have to avoid foods should be flipping burgers. Apparently your
>> husband's cardiologist is one of those. But he's probably be crappy
>> flipping burgers, too.
>>
>> I submit that if you get any information provided by the makers of
>> Coumadin that there is a list of foods that people on coumadin should
>> completely avoid, if not severely restrict their intake.
>>
>> I don't have a degree either, but have been going through this for
>> fifteen years now, and have a brother and sister who have done the same.
>> My sis is 1.5 years post transplant now, and had was the first woman in
>> the United States to get a LVA.
>>
>> I do not know everything, but I really do know what I know.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is a pretty good reference regarding coumadin and vitamin K. It
> includes specific information on the body's vitamin K requrements, the
> recommendation of how much vitamin K should be consumed when taking
> coumadin, and many of the foods that have high levels of vitamin K. In
> general, the recommendation is consumption of no more than 60% of the DV
> (daily value). Some of the foods listed contain 650% of the DV in a
> serving.
>
> Spinach, for example contains 560% of the DV in a 1/2 cup serving of
> cooked
> spinach. It is No. 2 on the list of foods containing high amounts of
> vitamin K. While it is not "forbidden", consumption of foods on the list
> should be severely limited.
>
> http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/cc/coumadin1.pdf

But how can this be so? Janet's husband's cardiologist told him that he
could eat anything.

Steve

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>>>>>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>>>>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK if
>>>>> you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you eat
>>>>> spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month, you will
>>>>> be out of whack for the PT test.
>>>>>
>>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>>> When she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had her
>>>> on (he wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out
>>>> spinach is one of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat spinach
>>>> if she's taking coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin instead.
>>>> You do indeed have to be careful about food and drug interactions.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
>> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>
>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>>
>> Steve
> Well, actually we *do* tell our patients that they can have moderate
> amounts of these vegetables as long as the consumption is consistent and
> in routine amounts. The routine consumption of Vit K rich vegetables will
> be accounted for in their routine labs. The problems come up when people
> eat them only occasionally or eat far more or less than they have been
> accustomed to.
> Patients don't need to do any "adjusting" of their medicine to accommodate
> the intake. The routine labs will show if their PT level is therapeutic or
> not and the doctor will adjust the daily dose as needed.

So, are you a cardiologist? Janet said that her husband's cardiologist told
them there wasn't anything he needed to watch out for. Either foods or
portions.

Steve

George Shirley wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> George Shirley > wrote:
>>
>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>>>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>> Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three
>>> angioplasties, and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I
>>> don't take coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in
>>> moderation. I take simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it
>>> does a good job on 1.5 tablets per day.
>>>
>>> As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease, at
>>> least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age 24,
>>> Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76, and
>>> one is now 94 years old but not able to function much.
>>
>> The question is, is it really genetics, or familial eating habits?
>
> All of my doctors, who look at the family history, say it is genetic.
> After having my carotids reamed I believe them. Had been on Zocor for
> many years when the carotids clogged up. Then there's the 42 Transient
> Ischemic Attacks and the 4 major strokes since 2000, been eating healthy
> since 1987. I'm still kicking but not as high as I used to. <G>

I think genetics plays a very strong part, too, George. I have two
granddaughters ages 8 and 11 who have cholesterol numbers in the 300's
and eat a low cholesterol, lower refined carbohydrate diet. Their
mother, my daughter, gets high cholesterol from her dad. His father died
of heart disease. Despite a very healthy diet, I hover around the 200
mark, myself. I take Zetia but I don't think it does much as it clears
cholesterol from one's intestines before it is absorbed and I eat a diet
that is very low in cholesterol and saturated fats.

My granddaughters' father has high cholesterol, too and he and both of
his parents are on statins.

The girls are too young for medications, but diet doesn't seem to effect
their numbers at all. My BF's girls had the same problem and seemed to
outgrow it once they reached adulthood. I'm hoping that my grandgirls
will, too.

Poor things. Genetically they didn't have a chance.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

SteveB wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>>>> I downloaded the USDA nutrition guide and I check for vitamin K content
>>>> on things I'm not familiar with.
>>>>
>>> I have two PDF files of the vitamin K of most any food. One is in
>>> alphabetical order, the other by contend, descending order. Each is about
>>> 160kb. Email me if you want a copy of them.
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you. I will
>>
>> --
>> Janet Wilder
>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>> Good Friends. Good Life
>
> But Janet, I thought you said your husband's cardiologist said he could eat
> anything. Now I am confused.

He did. DH gets his INR checked about every 3 weeks. I know by now what
stuff to feed DH so that the adjustments aren't big or even at all. I
check the USDA release for new stuff that I don't know about so I can
tell the doc if he ate something specific that week and won't be eating
it again. Then the doctor has the info before the adjustment.

The key is consistency in the diet so the adjustments don't have to be
large. Most of the time there aren't any adjustments. We eat green salad
every night, spinach and Brussels sprouts once a month and green cabbage
(either cooked or raw in salad) once a week. His dosage reflects this.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Goomba wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
>> "Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "SteveB" <toquervilla@zionvistas> wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery).
>>>>>> Would you care to share your recipes and food practices with
>>>>>> regard to cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>> My wife takes coumadin. The most important thing is to know what
>>>>> foods affect it and be consistent with them. Green salads are OK
>>>>> if you eat them in moderation two or three times a week, but if you
>>>>> eat spinach every day for a week, then don't eat any for a month,
>>>>> you will be out of whack for the PT test.
>>>>>
>>>> They put my mother back on coumadin while she was in the hospital.
>>>> When she came home and I went over the list of (30!) meds they had
>>>> her on (he wasn't the one who prescribed this madness) I pointed out
>>>> spinach is one of the few things she'll eat. And she can't eat
>>>> spinach if she's taking coumadin. He prescribed a low-dose aspirin
>>>> instead. You do indeed have to be careful about food and drug
>>>> interactions.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> He could have adjusted the dosage to accommodate the spinach.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
>>> Good Friends. Good Life
>>
>> You, apparently are an uninformed person. Spinach is one of the top
>> three things that one taking Coumadin can NOT eat.
>>
>> Where did you get your medical degree?
>>
>> Steve
> Well, actually we *do* tell our patients that they can have moderate
> amounts of these vegetables as long as the consumption is consistent
> and in routine amounts. The routine consumption of Vit K rich vegetables
> will be accounted for in their routine labs. The problems come up when
> people eat them only occasionally or eat far more or less than they have
> been accustomed to.
> Patients don't need to do any "adjusting" of their medicine to
> accommodate the intake. The routine labs will show if their PT level is
> therapeutic or not and the doctor will adjust the daily dose as needed.
>
>
Thank you. That's what I've been trying to tell them.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

SteveB wrote:

> So, are you a cardiologist? Janet said that her husband's cardiologist told
> them there wasn't anything he needed to watch out for. Either foods or
> portions.

I never wrote anything about portions, Steve. I think you are
over-reacting and probably adding a whole lot of personal whatever to
this thread.


--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

jmcquown wrote:
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>>> >> jmcquown wrote:
>>> And at that point I wasn't about to limit what she could/would eat
>>> for sake
>>> of coumadin. The daily low-dose aspirin accomplished the same thing.
>>> And
>>> she could eat Stouffer's Spinach Souffle with impunity It was all
>>> about
>>> making her comfortable, in the end. And she was comfortable. She
>>> died in
>>> her own bed, at home, with someone who loved her by her side.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You did exactly the right thing. :-) Palliative measures are all that
>> really matter once people reach a certain point. Been there, done that.
>> <hugs>
>> --
>> Peace! Om
>>
> That's all it was at that point, palliative care. I had in-home hospice
> care nurses and CNA's from a local caregiver service so I could get some
> relief. She was dying and everyone knew it. Tell her she couldn't eat
> spinach? I don't think so! She died comfortably, in peace, in her own
> home. That's all that matters.

You did the right thing, Jill. I hope when my time comes that my
daughter will be as good to me as you have been to your mom.

--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
>
> He did. DH gets his INR checked about every 3 weeks. I know by now what
> stuff to feed DH so that the adjustments aren't big or even at all. I
> check the USDA release for new stuff that I don't know about so I can tell
> the doc if he ate something specific that week and won't be eating it
> again. Then the doctor has the info before the adjustment.

If everything is good, 4 weeks is max. Our healthcare provider has a
coumadin clinic that takes care of the doses and changes after each test.
The other factor is what range the doctor wants you to be in. Most are
between 2.0 and 3.0. My wife has to be in 2.5 and 3.0 so it is a bit
tougher to dial in the dose. She went last Wednesday an had a nose bleed on
Thursday so she has to go again tomorrow. I wish they'd get her a meter so
we did not have to go to the lab every time.

"Janet Wilder" > wrote
> The girls are too young for medications, but diet doesn't seem to effect
> their numbers at all. My BF's girls had the same problem and seemed to
> outgrow it once they reached adulthood. I'm hoping that my grandgirls
> will, too.
>
> Poor things. Genetically they didn't have a chance.
>
I'm really sorry to hear this. Happily, the statins work quite well, so they
are better off for having been born so recently, if that makes sense.

cybercat wrote:
> "Janet Wilder" > wrote
>> The girls are too young for medications, but diet doesn't seem to effect
>> their numbers at all. My BF's girls had the same problem and seemed to
>> outgrow it once they reached adulthood. I'm hoping that my grandgirls
>> will, too.
>>
>> Poor things. Genetically they didn't have a chance.
>>
> I'm really sorry to hear this. Happily, the statins work quite well, so they
> are better off for having been born so recently, if that makes sense.
>
>

yes. It does. Thanks.

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Janet Wilder wrote:
> George Shirley wrote:
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> George Shirley > wrote:
>>>
>>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>>> Any here who are post CABG (coronary artery bypass surgery). Would
>>>>> you care to share your recipes and food practices with regard to
>>>>> cholesterol, coumadin, et al? Other tips or practices?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm 21 years off a single CABG, 14 years of three
>>>> angioplasties, and the same number of years diagnosed as diabetic. I
>>>> don't take coumadin and pretty much eat anything I want in
>>>> moderation. I take simvastin, generic Zocor, for chloesterol and it
>>>> does a good job on 1.5 tablets per day.
>>>>
>>>> As a side note, most males in my family line die of heart disease,
>>>> at least in the nine generations I'm sure of. GGrandfather at age
>>>> 24, Grandfather at 58, father at 71. One uncle at 33, another at 76,
>>>> and one is now 94 years old but not able to function much.
>>>
>>> The question is, is it really genetics, or familial eating habits?
>>
>> All of my doctors, who look at the family history, say it is genetic.
>> After having my carotids reamed I believe them. Had been on Zocor for
>> many years when the carotids clogged up. Then there's the 42 Transient
>> Ischemic Attacks and the 4 major strokes since 2000, been eating
>> healthy since 1987. I'm still kicking but not as high as I used to. <G>
>
> I think genetics plays a very strong part, too, George. I have two
> granddaughters ages 8 and 11 who have cholesterol numbers in the 300's
> and eat a low cholesterol, lower refined carbohydrate diet. Their
> mother, my daughter, gets high cholesterol from her dad. His father died
> of heart disease. Despite a very healthy diet, I hover around the 200
> mark, myself. I take Zetia but I don't think it does much as it clears
> cholesterol from one's intestines before it is absorbed and I eat a diet
> that is very low in cholesterol and saturated fats.
>
> My granddaughters' father has high cholesterol, too and he and both of
> his parents are on statins.
>
> The girls are too young for medications, but diet doesn't seem to effect
> their numbers at all. My BF's girls had the same problem and seemed to
> outgrow it once they reached adulthood. I'm hoping that my grandgirls
> will, too.
>
> Poor things. Genetically they didn't have a chance.
>
My eldest grandson is now 28 yo. At age fourteen daughter took him to
doctor as he was lethargic and wouldn't do much. Blood tests showed his
triglycerides were over 800 and his total cholesterol was almost 400. A
severe diet and changes in his eating habits turned him around. Don't
know what his blood studies are nowadays but he's a driver for UPS,
works 60 hours a week driving and lugging big packages around and
appears to be in pretty good health at the moment. You're right, with
the wrong genetics our kids and later descendants don't stand a chance.