On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...

> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
> that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
> shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"
>
> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
> won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
> .............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>
> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
> on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
> landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
> leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>
> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> kitchen safety foods.
>
> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
> still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>
> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
> send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
> if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>
> Steve

Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf life.
:-)

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My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.

"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
good?"

I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........

I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.

I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
kitchen safety foods.

I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."

Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).

Steve

SteveB wrote:
> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
> her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
> from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>
> Steve

That reminds me, I think there's a bit of turkey, some stuffing and
gravy left in there, somewhere. Time for lunch...

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>
>
>>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>>shelf life.
>>
>>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
>>good?"
>>
>>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>
>>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
>>on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
>>landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
>>leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>
>>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>>kitchen safety foods.
>>
>>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>
>>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
>>if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
> life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf life.
> :-)
>

Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
suspect foods.

I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
were FIVE YEARS out of date.

That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.

And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was
offended when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for
overnight visits.

In article >,
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:

> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"
>
> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
> eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
> Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>
> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
> Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
> on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
> to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>
> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> kitchen safety foods.
>
> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
> say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."

> Steve

Tell her that refrigeration does not prevent spoilage; it only delays it.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
<http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor> -- the world can
learn much about grace from Amy and Warren.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
5.247...
> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>
>> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>> that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>> shelf life.
>>
>> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
>> good?"
>>
>> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>> won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>> .............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>
>> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
>> on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
>> landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
>> leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>
>> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>> kitchen safety foods.
>>
>> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>> still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>
>> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>> send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
>> if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>
>> Steve
>
> Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
> life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf
> life.
> :-)
>
> --
> Wayne Boatwright

What I'm waiting for, and somewhat hoping, is that she will have an
intestinal bout with something caused by this and learn her own lesson. But
then, if the doctor asked her what she ate lately, she'd just say, "Nothing
that hasn't been refrigerated."

Steve

On Sat 13 Dec 2008 09:13:56p, SteveB told us...

>
> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>>>
>>>
>>>>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>>>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing
>>>>as shelf life.
>>>>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is
>>>>this good?"
>>>>
>>>>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>>>>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>>>>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>>>
>>>>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw
>>>>it on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a
>>>>fly landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she
>>>>will leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>>>
>>>>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>>>>kitchen safety foods.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>>>>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>>>
>>>>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>>>>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe
>>>>it if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a
>>> shelf life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a
>>> shelf life. :-)
>>>
>>
>> Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
>> suspect foods.
>>
>> I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
>> house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
>> were FIVE YEARS out of date.
>>
>> That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.
>>
>> And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was
>> offended when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for
>> overnight visits.
>
> I commonly go through the fridge when left home alone. Only thing worse
> than being served something out of date is being told to taste it and
> see if it's bad.
>
> Steve
>
>
>

Ugh, yes!

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"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>>
>>
>>>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>>>shelf life.
>>>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
>>>good?"
>>>
>>>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>>>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>>>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>>
>>>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
>>>on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
>>>landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
>>>leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>>
>>>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>>>kitchen safety foods.
>>>
>>>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>>>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>>
>>>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>>>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
>>>if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>>
>>>Steve
>>
>>
>> Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
>> life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf
>> life. :-)
>>
>
> Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
> suspect foods.
>
> I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
> house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
> were FIVE YEARS out of date.
>
> That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.
>
> And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was offended
> when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for overnight
> visits.

I commonly go through the fridge when left home alone. Only thing worse
than being served something out of date is being told to taste it and see if
it's bad.

Steve

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote

> Tell her that refrigeration does not prevent spoilage; it only delays it.
>

BTDT.

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:13:56 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
wrote:

>Only thing worse
>than being served something out of date is being told to taste it and see if
>it's bad.

They're alive, you're alive. All is well.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:

> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"
>
> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
> eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
> Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>
> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
> Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
> on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
> to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>
> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> kitchen safety foods.
>
> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
> say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>
> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
> her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
> from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>
> Steve

You can't educate some people. <g>
For cooked foods, my limit is 7 days. Period.

I generally thaw some meats on the counter for 3 or 4 hours, then they
go in the 'frige but that's only if I'm planning on cooking them THAT
day. If I plan far enough ahead, they get thawed in the 'frige for
however long it takes.

Shelf life of veggies is up to the veggie. I've recently discovered
tho' that many veggies keep better at room temp! I'm taking my examples
from the grocery store. I figure there is a reason the produce section
is not refrigerated.

Iceberg lettuce especially I've noted turns brown FASTER in the
refrigerator than it does if left in the kitchen produce baskets.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Dave Bell > wrote:

> SteveB wrote:
> > My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that
> > if
> > you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf
> > life.
> >
> > Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send
> > to
> > her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it
> > comes
> > from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
> >
> > Steve
>
> That reminds me, I think there's a bit of turkey, some stuffing and
> gravy left in there, somewhere. Time for lunch...

Yer crazy. <g> I'll bet it's gone south by now!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:

> I commonly go through the fridge when left home alone. Only thing worse
> than being served something out of date is being told to taste it and see if
> it's bad.
>
> Steve

<lol> Okay, that was funny. ;-) Whatever happened to the "sniff test"?
The only stuff in my 'frige that does tend to stay forever are
condiments! But even those, I try to go thru them annually...

Soy type sauces are the exception. They do last a LOT longer due to all
the salt in them. Same goes for vinegar type items.
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:20:45 -0800, SteveB wrote:

> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"
>
> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
> eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
> Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>
> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
> Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
> on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
> to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>
> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> kitchen safety foods.
>
> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
> say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>
> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
> her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
> from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>
> Steve

would something from the u.s.d.a. help?

<http://www.foodsafety.gov/~fsg/f01chart.html>

they're pretty conservative (to my way of thinking), but at least she can't
say you're making this stuff up.

your pal,
blake

SteveB wrote:
>
> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"
>
> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
> eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
> Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>
> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
> Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
> on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
> to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>
> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> kitchen safety foods.
>
> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
> say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>
> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
> her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
> from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>
> Steve

If it's been in the freezer at 0 or below, and it was good when it went
in, then it *is* still good, at least from a safety perspective. Not so
if it's in the refrigerator.

Kathleen wrote:
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
> >
> >
> >>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
> >>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
> >>shelf life.
> >>
> >>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> >>good?"
> >>
> >>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
> >>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
> >>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
> >>
> >>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
> >>on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
> >>landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
> >>leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
> >>
> >>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> >>kitchen safety foods.
> >>
> >>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
> >>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
> >>
> >>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
> >>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
> >>if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
> >>
> >>Steve
> >
> >
> > Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
> > life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf life.
> > :-)
> >
>
> Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
> suspect foods.
>
> I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
> house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
> were FIVE YEARS out of date.
>
> That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.
>
> And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was
> offended when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for
> overnight visits.

Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.

Pete C. wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>>>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>>>>shelf life.
>>>>
>>>>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
>>>>good?"
>>>>
>>>>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>>>>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>>>>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>>>
>>>>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
>>>>on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
>>>>landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
>>>>leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>>>
>>>>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>>>>kitchen safety foods.
>>>>
>>>>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>>>>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>>>
>>>>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>>>>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
>>>>if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>>>
>>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
>>>life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf life.
>>>:-)
>>>
>>
>>Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
>>suspect foods.
>>
>>I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
>>house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
>>were FIVE YEARS out of date.
>>
>>That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.
>>
>>And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was
>>offended when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for
>>overnight visits.
>
>
> Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
> related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.

Realize a bottle of cheap-ass supermarket bottled dressing might cost,
what three bucks? And when you take the lid off of a bottle of
something that's supposed to be "creamy" and there's a plug of congealed
god knows what in the neck, maybe it's time to take the "Best By" date
to heart.

SteveB wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
>
>
>>Tell her that refrigeration does not prevent spoilage; it only delays it.
>>
>
>
> BTDT.
>
>

Try replacing the term "spoilage" with "rot", "decay", or "decompose".

Those verbs tend to convey the concept a little more efficiently.

In article .com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> SteveB wrote:
> >
> > My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> > you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
> >
> > "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> > good?"
> >
> > I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I won't
> > eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time ..............
> > Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
> >
> > I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it on
> > Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly landed
> > on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will leave chicken
> > to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
> >
> > I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> > kitchen safety foods.
> >
> > I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will still
> > say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
> >
> > Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could send to
> > her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it if it comes
> > from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
> >
> > Steve
>
> If it's been in the freezer at 0 or below, and it was good when it went
> in, then it *is* still good, at least from a safety perspective. Not so
> if it's in the refrigerator.

People in Siberia have eaten Mammoth that's been frozen for several
thousand years...

Or so it's been rumored.

A google for that turned up mixed results. <g>

I personally set a limit of two years without copious trimming. I detest
the taste of freezer burn!
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Kathleen wrote:
>
> Pete C. wrote:
>
> > Kathleen wrote:
> >
> >>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
> >>>>that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
> >>>>shelf life.
> >>>>
> >>>>"Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> >>>>good?"
> >>>>
> >>>>I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
> >>>>won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
> >>>>.............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
> >>>>on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
> >>>>landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
> >>>>leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
> >>>>
> >>>>I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
> >>>>kitchen safety foods.
> >>>>
> >>>>I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
> >>>>still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
> >>>>
> >>>>Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
> >>>>send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
> >>>>if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
> >>>>
> >>>>Steve
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
> >>>life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf life.
> >>>:-)
> >>>
> >>
> >>Either that or stage midnight command raids on the fridge, eliminating
> >>suspect foods.
> >>
> >>I'll never forget being invited to dinner at my future parent-in-laws
> >>house and being offered previously opened bottled salad dressings that
> >>were FIVE YEARS out of date.
> >>
> >>That was just the tip of the extremely disgusting iceberg.
> >>
> >>And years later, my MIL, a prime example of Darwin's Hammer, was
> >>offended when I declined to leave our infant daughter with her for
> >>overnight visits.
> >
> >
> > Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
> > related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.
>
> Realize a bottle of cheap-ass supermarket bottled dressing might cost,
> what three bucks? And when you take the lid off of a bottle of
> something that's supposed to be "creamy" and there's a plug of congealed
> god knows what in the neck, maybe it's time to take the "Best By" date
> to heart.

Yea, that's pretty nasty.

I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past the
"best by" date. For other vinaigrette type dressings that stay in the
refrigerator, a year past the "best by" date isn't going to bother me.
Nothing gets older than that since I try to clean the fridge at least
once a year, putting everything in coolers while I clean the fridge and
shelves and then checking dates as I put things back.

"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that
> if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf
> life.
>

Steve, I realize this is something passed down from her mother, but I have
to say ... it's a bad indication of the woman's general intelligence. There
are soooo many ways a stupid spouse can kill you. This is only one. I would
not have much patience with this. I would not let such people cook for me.

SteveB wrote:
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.247...
>> On Sat 13 Dec 2008 05:20:45p, SteveB told us...
>>
>>> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>> that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>>> shelf life.
>>>
>>> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
>>> good?"
>>>
>>> I finally made a rule that if you can't tell me when it was cooked, I
>>> won't eat it................ Oh, I cooked that last week some time
>>> .............. Was it Thursday, or the Thursday before .........
>>>
>>> I'm telling you, we went through the Clorox wipes thing after she saw it
>>> on Oprah, and wiped down everything in the kitchen if so much as a fly
>>> landed on anything in the kitchen including the ceiling, but she will
>>> leave chicken to thaw from 7 AM to 4 PM in the sink at 70 F.
>>>
>>> I need to get ahold of Oprah and have her do a show on shelf life and
>>> kitchen safety foods.
>>>
>>> I mean, it can have brown mold on it, be unrecognizable, and she will
>>> still say, "I don't understand it. It's been in the refrigerator."
>>>
>>> Help me out. I've tried explaining it. Some good sites that I could
>>> send to her friends, and they could forward to her (she won't believe it
>>> if it comes from me, but her friends and Oprah are Goddesses).
>>>
>>> Steve
>> Perhaps if you can't convince your wife that virtually foods have a shelf
>> life, refrigerated or not, that you will have to assign *her* a shelf
>> life.
>> :-)
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
>
> What I'm waiting for, and somewhat hoping, is that she will have an
> intestinal bout with something caused by this and learn her own lesson. But
> then, if the doctor asked her what she ate lately, she'd just say, "Nothing
> that hasn't been refrigerated."
>
> Steve
>
>
Chances are, if her food storage practices and lack of food safety
knowledge haven't made her sick yet -- I'm guessing this has been going
on for years -- they are aren't going to any time soon.

In article >,
flitterbit > wrote:

> Chances are, if her food storage practices and lack of food safety
> knowledge haven't made her sick yet -- I'm guessing this has been going
> on for years -- they are aren't going to any time soon.

She's probably built up quite an immunity. <g>
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:28:08 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> flitterbit > wrote:
>
>> Chances are, if her food storage practices and lack of food safety
>> knowledge haven't made her sick yet -- I'm guessing this has been going
>> on for years -- they are aren't going to any time soon.
>
>She's probably built up quite an immunity. <g>

Which is far better than living in a self imposed sterile world and
succumbing to every little germ you're exposed to.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:28:08 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > flitterbit > wrote:
> >
> >> Chances are, if her food storage practices and lack of food safety
> >> knowledge haven't made her sick yet -- I'm guessing this has been going
> >> on for years -- they are aren't going to any time soon.
> >
> >She's probably built up quite an immunity. <g>
>
> Which is far better than living in a self imposed sterile world and
> succumbing to every little germ you're exposed to.

This is true, however there is a happy median in between and the 5yr old
formerly creamy and now just creepy salad dressing isn't in that median.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:28:08 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > flitterbit > wrote:
> >
> >> Chances are, if her food storage practices and lack of food safety
> >> knowledge haven't made her sick yet -- I'm guessing this has been going
> >> on for years -- they are aren't going to any time soon.
> >
> >She's probably built up quite an immunity. <g>
>
> Which is far better than living in a self imposed sterile world and
> succumbing to every little germ you're exposed to.

No arguments there! At all. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:27 -0600, "Pete C." >
wrote:

>Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
>related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.

Speaking of those dates ... I have a tub of plain yogurt in my fridge
that's marked November 17 (this year). It's partially used, and I
just discovered it with the lid bulging. It did the phooosh thing
when I opened it. Time to toss it, or is that just a yogurt thing?

I have another tub that I bought at the same time which is still
sealed, so I don't have any qualms about using that.

Thanks all,
Carol

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:27 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
> >related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.
>
> Speaking of those dates ... I have a tub of plain yogurt in my fridge
> that's marked November 17 (this year). It's partially used, and I
> just discovered it with the lid bulging. It did the phooosh thing
> when I opened it. Time to toss it, or is that just a yogurt thing?
>
> I have another tub that I bought at the same time which is still
> sealed, so I don't have any qualms about using that.

If it's bulging it's certainly suspect. Could be the proper yogurt
bacteria, but probably more likely to be some other less desirable
bacteria that got in during use.

In article >,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:27 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
> >Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
> >related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.
>
> Speaking of those dates ... I have a tub of plain yogurt in my fridge
> that's marked November 17 (this year). It's partially used, and I
> just discovered it with the lid bulging. It did the phooosh thing
> when I opened it. Time to toss it, or is that just a yogurt thing?
>
> I have another tub that I bought at the same time which is still
> sealed, so I don't have any qualms about using that.
>
> Thanks all,
> Carol

I'd toss it.

I recently tossed a package of bacon that was thawed in the frige and
had been there for a couple of months. (it'd been shoved to the back in
the big Hobart). The outdate on it was February.

To me, the $100.00 co-pay for the ER is not worth a $4.00 package of
bacon.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
> ...
>> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that
>> if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf
>> life.
>>
>
> Steve, I realize this is something passed down from her mother, but I have
> to say ... it's a bad indication of the woman's general intelligence.
> There are soooo many ways a stupid spouse can kill you. This is only one.
> I would not have much patience with this. I would not let such people cook
> for me.

I am a far better cook than my wife. But out of diplomacy, I must eat what
they cook occasionally. I'm working on getting to the point where I do most
of the cooking.

Steve

"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
>
> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
>> ...
>>> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea
>>> that if you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as
>>> shelf life.
>>>
>>
>> Steve, I realize this is something passed down from her mother, but I
>> have to say ... it's a bad indication of the woman's general
>> intelligence. There are soooo many ways a stupid spouse can kill you.
>> This is only one. I would not have much patience with this. I would not
>> let such people cook for me.
>
> I am a far better cook than my wife. But out of diplomacy, I must eat
> what they cook occasionally. I'm working on getting to the point where I
> do most of the cooking.
>
>

You are a kinder, gentler soul than I. In the past I have known people
(outside of Usenet) who would argue with the fact that the sky is generally
blue. These relationships never ended well.

SteveB <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:

> My wife and mother in law (I see where my wife got it) have the idea that if
> you put something in the refrigerator, there is no such thing as shelf life.
>
> "Well, it's been in the refrigerator," is the common answer to "Is this
> good?"

Reading backwards through new posts, your Mother-in-Law sounds like
a dim-witted control freak. Two very bad traits when mixed
together. And it's hereditary.

Or maybe she just acts clueless.

-sw

"Pete C." > wrote:

> I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
> Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past the
> "best by" date.

I used to buy that all the time but the past year or so 3 out of 3
bottles have tasted bitter. Others I've invited to try the same
bottles say the same thing.

What I *do* really miss is their Roquefort dressing. You can only
get it in California that I've seen.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
> > Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past the
> > "best by" date.
>
> I used to buy that all the time but the past year or so 3 out of 3
> bottles have tasted bitter. Others I've invited to try the same
> bottles say the same thing.

I haven't noticed that issue, but most of the time it's to go with
buffalo chicken tenders, so slight bitterness might go unnoticed.

>
> What I *do* really miss is their Roquefort dressing. You can only
> get it in California that I've seen.

Some of the regional stuff is rather irritating, I have to do care
package exchanges with my mother in CT to get some stuff that's not
available in Texas, and I send some stuff up that can't be found in CT.

On Sun 14 Dec 2008 09:06:41p, Pete C. told us...

>
> Sqwertz wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>
>> > I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
>> > Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past
the
>> > "best by" date.
>>
>> I used to buy that all the time but the past year or so 3 out of 3
>> bottles have tasted bitter. Others I've invited to try the same
>> bottles say the same thing.
>
> I haven't noticed that issue, but most of the time it's to go with
> buffalo chicken tenders, so slight bitterness might go unnoticed.
>
>>
>> What I *do* really miss is their Roquefort dressing. You can only
>> get it in California that I've seen.
>
> Some of the regional stuff is rather irritating, I have to do care
> package exchanges with my mother in CT to get some stuff that's not
> available in Texas, and I send some stuff up that can't be found in CT.
>

I really prefer Lighthouse brand refrigerated dressings. I like both the
blue cheese and Roquefort dressings.

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Sun 14 Dec 2008 09:06:41p, Pete C. told us...
>
> >
> > Sqwertz wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
> >> > Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past
> the
> >> > "best by" date.
> >>
> >> I used to buy that all the time but the past year or so 3 out of 3
> >> bottles have tasted bitter. Others I've invited to try the same
> >> bottles say the same thing.
> >
> > I haven't noticed that issue, but most of the time it's to go with
> > buffalo chicken tenders, so slight bitterness might go unnoticed.
> >
> >>
> >> What I *do* really miss is their Roquefort dressing. You can only
> >> get it in California that I've seen.
> >
> > Some of the regional stuff is rather irritating, I have to do care
> > package exchanges with my mother in CT to get some stuff that's not
> > available in Texas, and I send some stuff up that can't be found in CT.
> >
>
> I really prefer Lighthouse brand refrigerated dressings. I like both the
> blue cheese and Roquefort dressings.

I'm not sure I've ever tried that brand, though I believe I've seen it.
It has always been the Marie's Super Blue I go for to go with the
buffalo chicken tenders, the Super Blue is an upgrade above the Marie's
Blue Cheese dressing, notably more chunky and a buck or so more.

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:27 -0600, "Pete C." >
> wrote:
>
>>Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
>>related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.
>
> Speaking of those dates ... I have a tub of plain yogurt in my fridge
> that's marked November 17 (this year). It's partially used, and I
> just discovered it with the lid bulging. It did the phooosh thing
> when I opened it. Time to toss it, or is that just a yogurt thing?
>
> I have another tub that I bought at the same time which is still
> sealed, so I don't have any qualms about using that.
>
> Thanks all,
> Carol


It's okay. It's been in the refrigerator.

Steve ;-)

"Sqwertz" > wrote

> Reading backwards through new posts, your Mother-in-Law sounds like
> a dim-witted control freak. Two very bad traits when mixed
> together. And it's hereditary.
>
> -sw

I got that figured out already. Now I'm seeking counter measures.

It goes something like this ..........

Steve, would you like some fried squash?
Thank you, no. I don't like fried squash.
Dink! (sound of spoon hitting my plate with a load of fried squash)
Would you like some salt for your fried squash?
No, I'm a cardio patient, and can't eat salt.
I never heard of anyone who couldn't eat salt...... shake, shake, shake
...........
Would you like more squash? That's not very much squash. I had an Uncle
Louie who didn't like squash, but Aunt Janelle divorced him, and married
that feller from Texas. Now, HE liked squash. And salt, too.

sigh ...........

Steve

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:28:25 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
wrote:

>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:09:27 -0600, "Pete C." >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Realize that many of those a "best by" dates, not expiration or safety
>>>related dates, particularly for stuff like salad dressing.
>>
>> Speaking of those dates ... I have a tub of plain yogurt in my fridge
>> that's marked November 17 (this year). It's partially used, and I
>> just discovered it with the lid bulging. It did the phooosh thing
>> when I opened it. Time to toss it, or is that just a yogurt thing?
>>
>> I have another tub that I bought at the same time which is still
>> sealed, so I don't have any qualms about using that.
>
>It's okay. It's been in the refrigerator.
>
>Steve ;-)

ROFLMAO!!!! BTW, I'm tossing the opened container and will start
using the sealed one now.

Carol, still chuckling

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Sun 14 Dec 2008 09:06:41p, Pete C. told us...

>> Sqwertz wrote:

>>> "Pete C." > wrote:

>>> > I don't normally do the creamy type dressings other than Marie's Super
>>> > Blue. For the Super Blue, I generally don't go more than a week past
>the
>>> > "best by" date.

>>> I used to buy that all the time but the past year or so 3 out of 3
>>> bottles have tasted bitter. Others I've invited to try the same
>>> bottles say the same thing.

>> I haven't noticed that issue, but most of the time it's to go with
>> buffalo chicken tenders, so slight bitterness might go unnoticed.

>>> What I *do* really miss is their Roquefort dressing. You can only
>>> get it in California that I've seen.

>> Some of the regional stuff is rather irritating, I have to do care
>> package exchanges with my mother in CT to get some stuff that's not
>> available in Texas, and I send some stuff up that can't be found in CT.

>I really prefer Lighthouse brand refrigerated dressings. I like both the
>blue cheese and Roquefort dressings.

I find it very simple to stir together crumbled blue cheese (usually,
I use Maytag) and buttermilk in about equal amounts -- perhaps a
little heavier on the cheese.

I generally believe the cheese flavor is superior when it is
mixed up fresh, rather than sitting around in a bottle.

Steve