You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.

A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.

The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.

A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
finished "repairs", the two were overcome.

Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.

If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.

gloria p

Gloria P wrote:
>
> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> gloria p

Expand on that to also buy a gas detector (a combo unit is available) if
you have gas, so you have a better chance of survival in the event of a
gas leak. See the current CNN.com story on the most recent example of a
gas explosion with a fatality, this one in MA.

Gloria P > wrote in
:

> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who
> spent Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a
> charity auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance
> there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious
> in their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on
> them. Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife
> called to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then
> left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried
> the little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being
> discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>


Scary!! here's hoping the Mum and foetus are OK.

I haven't had a 'gas house' since I was a boy living at home.

I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to it
to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.

Would the repaiman be up for a law suit in this case?


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Mi b'aill docha basaich air m' ris, sin mair air m'glun.

(I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)

Gloria P wrote:

> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being
> discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.

Chances are good that if three year old has already been discharged that
both mom and the bun in the oven will be fine. Nevertheless, I strongly
second the carbon monoxide detector recommendation.

We have two in our house. The original one was a Christmas gift from my
parents, which has since been replaced. One bitterly cold winter day I
was warming up the car in the garage. The garage door was open, the
door from the house to the garage was closed. I thought it was safe...
Had done it plenty of times before. And then the alarm started blaring.

That made a believer out of me.

Peter wrote:

> I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to it
> to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.
>
> Would the repaiman be up for a law suit in this case?

Gas does indeed have something (often ethanethiol) added to it so that you
can smell a leak. But in this case, a gas leak wasn't the problem; the
problem was that the fumes from an inefficiently-burning furnace were not
vented outside the house.

Yes, a very strong case could probably be built against the repairman.

Bob

On Dec 18, 10:18*pm, Gloria P > wrote:

> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. *Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> gloria p

Any type of heating system that burns fuel can create CO. We have one
in our oil-heated house, and bought one for a present for friends who
now heat with wood.

When you're driving, it's good to have a window cracked for a little
fresh air, regardless of the outside temps and conditions.

maxine in ri

On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:18:13 -0700, Gloria P wrote:

> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.

I'm glad I'm busy cooking rather than listing to this bullshit hype
scare-tactic stuff that always makes its rounds right around the
Holidays.

I did appreciate how the story made National affluent White People
news-streams, considering I'm Black.

-sw

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell me
> that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in their
> house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them. Her son
> called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called to say she
> and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the hyperbaric
> chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace wasn't
> working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he finished
> "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy one
> as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> gloria p

omg that is awful to hear about and very very scary to boot!
The only thing I have here that uses gas these days is the BBQ but that is
always used outside the house.

I am sending good vibes right now!

Gloria P wrote:
> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being
> discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.


It happens more often than you think. A family of four from a city near
here died last week from CO poisoning. Actually, the mother was found
alive but later died. A good friend of mine got a dose of it while
chaperoning on a school trip He was staying at someone's home and was
awakened by a pain in his chest. Had he not woke up he likely would have
died. It took him months to recover.

Gloria P wrote:

> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.

They're required where I live, but who comes to the house
to check? Even when I had the town in to inspect something,
the guy never checked for the CO detector, even though they
say they will. Scary stuff, and so easily detected. Why
take the chance, get one!

nancy

On Dec 18, 10:28*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Peter wrote:
> > I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to it
> > to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.
>
> > Would the repaiman be up for a law suit in this case?
>
> Gas does indeed have something (often ethanethiol) added to it so that you
> can smell a leak. But in this case, a gas leak wasn't the problem; the
> problem was that the fumes from an inefficiently-burning furnace were not
> vented outside the house.
>
> Yes, a very strong case could probably be built against the repairman.
>
> Bob

That's a smell here in the US that is like rotten eggs (sulphur) -

I have a new furnace, vented outside and drawing air directly from
outside, so that's not a worry, but I have a gas water heater, which
could certainly cause some problems. I tend not to worry about that
stuff.

I did read recently that a new recommendation is to replace your fire/
smoke alarms every 10 years (besides replacing batteries once a
year). That was news to me.

N.

Peter Lucas wrote:

>
> I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to it
> to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.
>


In the U.S. it's a chemical called Mercaptan and it really stinks when
there's a gas leak, but the CO comes from incompletely burned gas and is
odorless. The first symptom is usually a headache and disorientation
followed by stomach-flu feelings. Then you pass out and die if you are
not rescued.

gloria p

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Dec 18, 10:18 pm, Gloria P > wrote:
>
>> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
>> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> Any type of heating system that burns fuel can create CO. We have one
> in our oil-heated house, and bought one for a present for friends who
> now heat with wood.
>
> When you're driving, it's good to have a window cracked for a little
> fresh air, regardless of the outside temps and conditions.
>
> maxine in ri

You are right--it's any fuel that's incompletely combusted or
vented.

A local fire chief warned that a generator used in power outages can
also stream CO into the house if it is placed too close or in a
garage/basement.

gloria p

"Nancy2" > wrote in message

That's a smell here in the US that is like rotten eggs (sulphur) -

I have a new furnace, vented outside and drawing air directly from
outside, so that's not a worry, but I have a gas water heater, which
could certainly cause some problems. I tend not to worry about that
stuff.

*********************************************

That smell is for gas. CO has no odor and that is what makes it so
dangerous if there is a leak.
Gas is fuel. CO is in the exhaust.

Nancy Young > wrote:

>They're required where I live, but who comes to the house
>to check? Even when I had the town in to inspect something,
>the guy never checked for the CO detector, even though they
>say they will. Scary stuff, and so easily detected. Why
>take the chance, get one!

It's a very easy check but you do need to spend an hour or
two at it (initialize the CO detector, fire up the heater,
run it, and look at the cumulative value). It's not an
instant test, at least with the detectors I have used.

I perform the check once, maybe twice per season. Anyone
without a detector, and short of funds to purchase one,
should easily be able to borrow one from a neighbor
to do the check.

I've never seen anything but a zero reading in my house,
and it has an old old heater. Look at the flame -- it should
be blue. Look at the box or heat transfer unit in the heater --
there should be no cracks. Any repairman that didn't spot such a
thing should not be in business.

Steve

Nancy Young wrote:
> Gloria P wrote:
>
>> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
>> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> They're required where I live, but who comes to the house
> to check? Even when I had the town in to inspect something,
> the guy never checked for the CO detector, even though they
> say they will. Scary stuff, and so easily detected. Why take the
> chance, get one!



They may soon be mandatory in all homes here. There is a bill in the
provincial legislature following the deaths of a family of four last month.

I have had one for years. I got it after a friend of mine almost died of
CO poisoning.

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell me
> that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in their
> house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them. Her son
> called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called to say she
> and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the hyperbaric
> chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace wasn't
> working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he finished
> "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy one
> as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> gloria p

Excellent advice. I have a CO detector in my bedroom and one in the guest
bedroom. I have also been looking for a battery-powered portable CO
detector for travel, without success. If anyone knows of one (and a brand
or URL), I would appreciate it.

MaryL

MaryL wrote:
>
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
> ...
> > You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> > Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> > auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
> >
> > A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell me
> > that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in their
> > house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them. Her son
> > called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called to say she
> > and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
> >
> > The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> > little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the hyperbaric
> > chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
> >
> > A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace wasn't
> > working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he finished
> > "repairs", the two were overcome.
> >
> > Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
> >
> > If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy one
> > as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> Excellent advice. I have a CO detector in my bedroom and one in the guest
> bedroom. I have also been looking for a battery-powered portable CO
> detector for travel, without success. If anyone knows of one (and a brand
> or URL), I would appreciate it.
>
> MaryL

Any RV place will have battery powered CO detectors. You can sometimes
find them at the big box stores, but most of the ones they carry are A/C
powered with battery backup.

MaryL wrote:

> Excellent advice. I have a CO detector in my bedroom and one in the
> guest bedroom. I have also been looking for a battery-powered
> portable CO detector for travel, without success. If anyone knows of
> one (and a brand or URL), I would appreciate it.

Check this website:

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-t...in-hotels.html

It recommends:

Costar P-1

nancy

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> I did read recently that a new recommendation is to replace your fire/
> smoke alarms every 10 years (besides replacing batteries once a
> year). That was news to me.

I thought it was 8 years. The CO detector goes bad
after a while.

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>
> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>
> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>
> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>
> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>
> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>
> gloria p

You have my best wishes... and a hope that they may switch to an
electric furnace.

CO dangers are the second reason I refused to have a gas appliance in my
house. They stink, they are dirty and they are dangerous! I grew up in
a residence with an electric furnace, water heater and stove.

That is why I hate them so.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Mark Thorson wrote:

> Nancy2 wrote:
>
>>I did read recently that a new recommendation is to replace your fire/
>>smoke alarms every 10 years (besides replacing batteries once a
>>year). That was news to me.
>
>
> I thought it was 8 years. The CO detector goes bad
> after a while.


I believe you're supposed to replace it within so many years, or
immediately if the alarm goes off.

In article .com>,
says...
>
> Gloria P wrote:
> >
> > You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> > Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> > auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
> >
> > A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> > me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> > their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> > Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> > to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
> >
> > The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> > little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> > hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
> >
> > A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> > wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> > finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
> >
> > Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
> >
> > If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> > one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> Expand on that to also buy a gas detector (a combo unit is available) if
> you have gas, so you have a better chance of survival in the event of a
> gas leak. See the current CNN.com story on the most recent example of a
> gas explosion with a fatality, this one in MA.
>

It's hard to find a CO that doesn't also detect smoke/fire. That said I
wouldn't give you 10 cents for the vast majority of CO/Fire detectors
out there.

They're far too sensitive. They need some smarts. We had an alarm system
in our old place that was like that.

And of course the nitwits put a detector right above the range. The
solution was to tie plastic bags around that detector when we were
cooking.

Gloria P > wrote in
:

> Peter Lucas wrote:
>
>>
>> I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to
>> it to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.
>>
>
>
> In the U.S. it's a chemical called Mercaptan and it really stinks when
> there's a gas leak, but the CO comes from incompletely burned gas and
> is odorless.


Oh, OK. (Can you tell I've never used gas??!!)


> The first symptom is usually a headache and
> disorientation followed by stomach-flu feelings. Then you pass out
> and die if you are not rescued.
>


I've had that before. I used to have a house that had a wine cellar
downstairs with an entertainment area just off it. It was quite cool in
summer, so I put a large TV and a lounge down there. It was quite good
to have guests, take them downstairs, be comfortable and have access to
the wine/beer cellar.

Then I started to home brew spirits. The first batch nearly killed me. I
had put the fermenters in the downstairs area and was down there
watching TV (by myself), when I suddenly got very sleepy and had a head-
banging headache (that's what triggered my reaction, because I *never*
get headaches). Started to think "WTF???!" and then looked at the
fermenters happily bubbling away.

Epiphany!!!

Immediately went outside for fresh air and to cut the garden hose up.
The hose went over the fermenter outlet, and through a (very small)
ventilation outlet, siphoning the gas outside...... where it killed off
the grass and shrubs under the outlet!!

No more headaches or sleepiness after that, though!!

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Mi b'aill docha basaich air m' ris, sin mair air m'glun.

(I'd rather die on my feet, than live on my knees.)

Get a canary.

For Christmas!

--
http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:57:47 -0600, "MaryL"
-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

>
>"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
>> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
>> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
>> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>>
>> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell me
>> that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in their
>> house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them. Her son
>> called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called to say she
>> and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>>
>> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
>> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the hyperbaric
>> chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>>
>> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace wasn't
>> working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he finished
>> "repairs", the two were overcome.
>>
>> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>>
>> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy one
>> as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>>
>> gloria p
>
>Excellent advice. I have a CO detector in my bedroom and one in the guest
>bedroom. I have also been looking for a battery-powered portable CO
>detector for travel, without success. If anyone knows of one (and a brand
>or URL), I would appreciate it.
>
>MaryL

Costar P-1, available from Safety First, $43.99
http://safetyfirstdmk.stores.yahoo.n...carmondet.html

Ross.

T wrote:
>
> In article .com>,
> says...
> >
> > Gloria P wrote:
> > >
> > > You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
> > > Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
> > > auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
> > >
> > > A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell
> > > me that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
> > > their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them.
> > > Her son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called
> > > to say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
> > >
> > > The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
> > > little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the
> > > hyperbaric chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
> > >
> > > A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
> > > wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
> > > finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
> > >
> > > Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
> > >
> > > If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
> > > one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
> > >
> > > gloria p
> >
> > Expand on that to also buy a gas detector (a combo unit is available) if
> > you have gas, so you have a better chance of survival in the event of a
> > gas leak. See the current CNN.com story on the most recent example of a
> > gas explosion with a fatality, this one in MA.
> >
>
> It's hard to find a CO that doesn't also detect smoke/fire. That said I
> wouldn't give you 10 cents for the vast majority of CO/Fire detectors
> out there.
>
> They're far too sensitive. They need some smarts. We had an alarm system
> in our old place that was like that.
>
> And of course the nitwits put a detector right above the range. The
> solution was to tie plastic bags around that detector when we were
> cooking.

I said *GAS* detector, not smoke / fire, a completely different thing.
Kiddie makes a combo CO/Gas detector. A gas leak will not be detected by
a smoke/fire alarm, at least not until you're already dead and the house
leveled as in the recent MA case.

Peter Lucas wrote:
>
> Gloria P > wrote in
> :
>
> > Peter Lucas wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I seem to recall that the gas we used to have, had something added to
> >> it to make it smell, so if it was leaking, you knew all about it.
> >>
> >
> >
> > In the U.S. it's a chemical called Mercaptan and it really stinks when
> > there's a gas leak, but the CO comes from incompletely burned gas and
> > is odorless.
>
> Oh, OK. (Can you tell I've never used gas??!!)
>
> > The first symptom is usually a headache and
> > disorientation followed by stomach-flu feelings. Then you pass out
> > and die if you are not rescued.
> >
>
> I've had that before. I used to have a house that had a wine cellar
> downstairs with an entertainment area just off it. It was quite cool in
> summer, so I put a large TV and a lounge down there. It was quite good
> to have guests, take them downstairs, be comfortable and have access to
> the wine/beer cellar.
>
> Then I started to home brew spirits. The first batch nearly killed me. I
> had put the fermenters in the downstairs area and was down there
> watching TV (by myself), when I suddenly got very sleepy and had a head-
> banging headache (that's what triggered my reaction, because I *never*
> get headaches). Started to think "WTF???!" and then looked at the
> fermenters happily bubbling away.
>
> Epiphany!!!
>
> Immediately went outside for fresh air and to cut the garden hose up.
> The hose went over the fermenter outlet, and through a (very small)
> ventilation outlet, siphoning the gas outside...... where it killed off
> the grass and shrubs under the outlet!!
>
> No more headaches or sleepiness after that, though!!

Um, it shouldn't have killed the grass and shrubs, they require CO2 to
live, just like we require O2.

"Pete C." > wrote in news:494c4b3d$0$17637
:


>>
>> Immediately went outside for fresh air and to cut the garden hose up.
>> The hose went over the fermenter outlet, and through a (very small)
>> ventilation outlet, siphoning the gas outside...... where it killed off
>> the grass and shrubs under the outlet!!
>>
>> No more headaches or sleepiness after that, though!!
>
> Um, it shouldn't have killed the grass and shrubs, they require CO2 to
> live, just like we require O2.
>


Maybe not in such concentration?

All I know is, it was on a slight slope, and from where the hose came out,
to about 5' down the slope, anything next to the wall was dead. And it had
been fine beforehand.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

You will travel through the valley of rejection;
you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home,
though it will not be where you left it.

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
> ...
>> You may have read that a Denver couple and their two children who spent
>> Thanksgiving in a $9m house in Aspen (a stay they won in a charity
>> auction) died of CO inhalation from a faulty gas appliance there.
>>
>> A neighbor (whose son was a classmate of my son's) just called to tell me
>> that her daughter-in-law and granddaughter were found unconscious in
>> their house this afternoon by a babysitter who went to check on them. Her
>> son called to ask the sitter to run next door after his wife called to
>> say she and the 3 year old weren't feeling well. He then left for home.
>>
>> The sitter, a high school girl, found them both unconscious, carried the
>> little one out and called 911 for an ambulance. Mom is in the hyperbaric
>> chamber at a local hospital, the little girl is being discharged.
>>
>> A repairman was at the house this morning because their gas furnace
>> wasn't working and it's FRIGID here right now. A few hours after he
>> finished "repairs", the two were overcome.
>>
>> Mom is 8 weeks pregnant. Vibes are most welcome.
>>
>> If you have gas in the house anywhere, buy a CO detector, please. Buy
>> one as a Christmas gift for your parents or children, too.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> Excellent advice. I have a CO detector in my bedroom and one in the guest
> bedroom. I have also been looking for a battery-powered portable CO
> detector for travel, without success. If anyone knows of one (and a brand
> or URL), I would appreciate it.
>
> MaryL
>

Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in January)
looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I would like one
that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what I need.

MaryL

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>
>
> Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in January)
> looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I would like
> one that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what I need.
>
> MaryL
>

Greece in April will probably be warm and you won't need heat. If you are
staying in hotels with central heating, you won't need one. In a private
villa, possibly.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in January)
>> looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I would like
>> one that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what I need.
>>
>> MaryL
>>
>
> Greece in April will probably be warm and you won't need heat. If you are
> staying in hotels with central heating, you won't need one. In a private
> villa, possibly.
>

I'm not talking about taking any type of portable heater with me. I want a
portable carbon monoxide detector. I'll use it when traveling in the US,
too, but it's especially important for Europe because our appliances will
not work in their electrical outlets (at least, not without adapters).

MaryL

"MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>
>
> I'm not talking about taking any type of portable heater with me. I want
> a portable carbon monoxide detector. I'll use it when traveling in the
> US, too, but it's especially important for Europe because our appliances
> will not work in their electrical outlets (at least, not without
> adapters).
>
> MaryL

Right, but if you don't have the heat on, you don't need a CO detector. If
they use electric heat you don't need one. Most hotels and large buildings
use steam or circulated hot water with the boiler far from you and you don't
need one.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>>>
>>
>> I'm not talking about taking any type of portable heater with me. I want
>> a portable carbon monoxide detector. I'll use it when traveling in the
>> US, too, but it's especially important for Europe because our appliances
>> will not work in their electrical outlets (at least, not without
>> adapters).
>>
>> MaryL
>
> Right, but if you don't have the heat on, you don't need a CO detector.
> If they use electric heat you don't need one. Most hotels and large
> buildings use steam or circulated hot water with the boiler far from you
> and you don't need one.
>

Ah! Yes! Thank you.

MaryL

MaryL wrote:

> Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in
> January) looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I
> would like one that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what
> I need.

Just a note: the article I posted said the item would be
available in January 08, so you should be able to find it now.

nancy

On Dec 20, 3:46�am, "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER>
wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "MaryL" -OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message
>
> >> I'm not talking about taking any type of portable heater with me. �I want
> >> a portable carbon monoxide detector. �I'll use it when traveling in the
> >> US, too, but it's especially important for Europe because our appliances
> >> will not work in their electrical outlets (at least, not without
> >> adapters).
>
> >> MaryL
>
> > Right, but if you don't have the heat on, you don't need a CO detector.
> > If they use electric heat you don't need one. �Most hotels and large
> > buildings use steam or circulated hot water with the boiler far from you
> > and you don't need one.
>
> Ah! �Yes! �Thank you.
>
> MaryL

But regardless, fires can occur anywhere at any time, you should
travel with a smoke detector.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> MaryL wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in
>> January) looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I
>> would like one that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what
>> I need.
>
> Just a note: the article I posted said the item would be
> available in January 08, so you should be able to find it now.
>
> nancy

Yes, I have already ordered one. I originally thought it was to be
available January 2009, then realized it was this year. Thank you very
much.

Now...I guess I should also look into portable fire/smoke detectors.

MaryL

On this topic:

A family of eight in the Bay Area was treated for CO poisoning
three days ago. Fortunately no fatalities. The scenario
was that they power was cutoff due to they couldn't pay their
utility bill, so they set up a generator in the basement to
power their house. When they noticed one of their babies
seemed sick, they call 911. The ET's quickly figured out
what was happening.

Steve

Steve Pope wrote:
> On this topic:
>
> A family of eight in the Bay Area was treated for CO poisoning
> three days ago. Fortunately no fatalities. The scenario
> was that they power was cutoff due to they couldn't pay their
> utility bill, so they set up a generator in the basement to
> power their house. When they noticed one of their babies
> seemed sick, they call 911. The ET's quickly figured out
> what was happening.

I don't remember if it was last winter or the winter before,
same situation and the whole family died. Seems the utility
is supposed to notify the fire department because likely the
people are going to be lighting something to keep warm
and whether fire or CO, it's not going to be good. Theoretically
the fire dept or other official would have checked in on the
people. Or so they say.

nancy

On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:07:16 -0600, "MaryL"
-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote:

>
>"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
>> MaryL wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, everyone--all good ideas. The Costar P-1 (available in
>>> January) looks ideal. I am planning a trip to Greece in April, and I
>>> would like one that I can easily pack. That one looks like just what
>>> I need.
>>
>> Just a note: the article I posted said the item would be
>> available in January 08, so you should be able to find it now.
>>
>> nancy
>
>Yes, I have already ordered one. I originally thought it was to be
>available January 2009, then realized it was this year. Thank you very
>much.
>
>Now...I guess I should also look into portable fire/smoke detectors.
>
This is certainly the least expensive one I saw. I looked at a couple
of sites that had discontinued it. Found one where it was still
available, but wonder.... are these things something you can buy w/o
going online? Are they found at the hardware store? I like the idea
that you can clip it to a sun visor or just keep it somewhere in the
car. That family who died of carbon monoxide poisoning in their car
last week could have used one.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West