Joseph...my original post about Crowley had NOTHING to do with YOU,
hence was NOT "personal". As I recall, the question was why I "made" it
"personal".

I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
public figure.

Still, it's quite interesting that in your eyes, an "attack" on Crowley
equalled an attack on YOU.
That has nothing to do with ME and thus, is STILL not "personal". You
might have chosen to attempt to explain WHY you hold AC in such high
regard OR to disprove anything I said about him. You have done neither.
In fact, every long-winded quote you have posted has served to prove MY
point.

Instead, you chose to take it to "personal" with your " those
dilettantes who fail to understand his writing....", indirect tho it
was, clearly "personal".

You want to watch who you label a "dilettante", pally , not to mention
who's capacity for "understanding" you want to insult.

You have implied some great knowledge and "understanding of his
writings"...yet have failed to comment at all on those attributes for
which he is infamous, his practice of Black Magic... or his claim to be
the "most evil" man alive, while focussing instead on his "charming" use
of archaic language and his "poetry" (?)... which makes me wonder
exactly what you actually gleaned from your apparent "in-depth" study of
the man?

Anything?

...and if you did NOT learn anything from him...why did you keep
reading? JUST for the "charming" language? That's ********.

Did you read him to learn the Black Arts? Are you a partitioner of Black
Magick? Are you a self-described "evil" man? Or do you just admire
those who DO have the balls to say "Screw You" to the Christian God?

I think that's the most likely.

As I have already said, Im quite bored with this. You have failed
utterly to convince me that you have anything intelligent or even
perceptive to say about Alliester Fricking Crowley. As clearly, you are
something of an expert...tell us in what ways he has changed your life?
What have you learned? How are you a better man, having read him so
dilligently and thouroughly?

HAS AC been written about in the "tabloiids"? How would you know that?
Read them much, do you?
Here's a Newsflash: I dont "gossip" and there isnt a LIVING man on this
planet I "fear" and sure as hell not a dead one...particularly not a
foolish fat flatulent flaccid dead one. (I am referring to AC, here, NOT
YOU....although, if the shoe fits...)

IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
bitch-slapped YOU.

Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
...and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?

Whatever....either put up some kind of reason to think AC is an
intellect to be reckoned with or kindly shut up and go do something of
value. Translate Limericks into Latin, for instance. Here's one to
start with. The author is "unknown", but perhaps Crowley wrote it.

There once was a man from Khartoom
took a ******* up to his room
They argued all night over who had the right
To do what and with which and to whom

That oughta keep you busy for a while.


LassChance


Is there FOOD in HEAVEN?

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Sun, Dec 21, 2008, 12:29pm (EST-3) From:
(Joseph*Littleshoes)
Lass Chance_2 wrote:
Go back and read the posts. See who cast the first disparaging
"personal" stone.

Your first comments in this thread on Crowley were on 12/17/08
Lass Chance wrote:
The Golden Dawn, is extremely
pretentious, wordy and well...just pretty much exactly as Crowley
himself was---a big fat phony dilettante, dabbling in Victorian
Occultism, pretending to be a Master of Black Magick....a plump little
poser in pinstripes and pinze nes. Im sure it impressed hell out of his
Victorian cronies, but "classic"? Not by a long shot.

**From there you just went down hill till you crashed into pile of
tabloids from which you obviously have garnered what little awareness of
the man Crowley you have, i don't say knowledge cause you apparently
don't have any knowledge of the man only vague fears & gossip.
And in that you are not unusual, that's all most people have in regards
Crowley, fear and gossip.
--
JL

In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:

> Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
> "writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
> reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
> ..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?

I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:

> I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
> are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
> public figure.

> As I have already said, Im quite bored with this.
> Here's a Newsflash: I dont "gossip" and there isnt a LIVING man on this
> planet I "fear" and sure as hell not a dead one...particularly not a
> foolish fat flatulent flaccid dead one. (I am referring to AC, here, NOT
> YOU....although, if the shoe fits...)
>
> IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
> bitch-slapped YOU.

As long as there's nothing personal.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Lass Chance_2 wrote:
> Joseph...my original post about Crowley had NOTHING to do with YOU,
> hence was NOT "personal". As I recall, the question was why I "made" it
> "personal".

How would you respond to an slanderous attack on a person you esteem?
>
> I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
> are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
> public figure.

Yes and that includes you, or me, in a public forum, had you made the
same comments privately to me in my home i would have simply shown you
the door and told you not to return.
>
> Still, it's quite interesting that in your eyes, an "attack" on Crowley
> equalled an attack on YOU.

Such logic refutes your later statements in this thread, i was not
defending myself, i was responding to your slanders of Crowley.

> That has nothing to do with ME and thus, is STILL not "personal". You
> might have chosen to attempt to explain WHY you hold AC in such high
> regard OR to disprove anything I said about him.

You called me a "pompous wind bag" for doing so.

You have done neither.
> In fact, every long-winded quote you have posted has served to prove MY
> point.

BEcause you do not understand what i wrote does not mean i did not write it.
>
> Instead, you chose to take it to "personal" with your " those
> dilettantes who fail to understand his writing....", indirect tho it
> was, clearly "personal".
>
> You want to watch who you label a "dilettante", pally , not to mention
> who's capacity for "understanding" you want to insult.

As usual with such an exchange you might want to take your own advice,
practice what you preach & etc.
>
> You have implied some great knowledge and "understanding of his
> writings"...yet have failed to comment at all on those attributes for
> which he is infamous, his practice of Black Magic... or his claim to be
> the "most evil" man alive, while focussing instead on his "charming" use
> of archaic language and his "poetry" (?)... which makes me wonder
> exactly what you actually gleaned from your apparent "in-depth" study of
> the man?

If i thought there was the slightest chance you would put your hostility
to Crowley aside i would dilate extensively, but i see no real point in
talking to a brick wall of entrenched prejudice.
>
> Anything?
>
> ..and if you did NOT learn anything from him...why did you keep
> reading? JUST for the "charming" language? That's ********.
>
> Did you read him to learn the Black Arts? Are you a partitioner of Black
> Magick? Are you a self-described "evil" man? Or do you just admire
> those who DO have the balls to say "Screw You" to the Christian God?
>
> I think that's the most likely.
>
> As I have already said, Im quite bored with this.

Could have fooled me.

You have failed
> utterly to convince me that you have anything intelligent or even
> perceptive to say about Alliester Fricking Crowley.

And that is exactly what im talking about, ignorance coupled with null
content verbiage.


>
> IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
> bitch-slapped YOU.

Oh i see, your one of those netizens that think a bit of null content
verbiage is the equivalent to a physical act. *chuckle* which is worse?
that you would conceptualize your written word as the equivalent of a
physical assault, or that you would actually write down such naive
arrogance and publish it here?

> Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
> "writings" to realize he was full of shit.

So is everyone, usually twice a day.

That doesnt take much
> reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
> ..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>
> Whatever....either put up some kind of reason to think AC is an
> intellect to be reckoned



You are scared of Crowley, ok, we get it, however, I doubt your ability
to be aware of, much less understand anything beyond your own prejudice.

Your as bad as Sheldon and his diatribes against anything that does not
conform to his personal taste. As i wrote previously, i quite
understand that Crowley is not to everyone's taste, but liking his
writings does not necessarily imply anything more than a liking of his
writings. If you want to read more into an appreciation of Crowley's
than that, that is your problem and i am not here to convert you to
anything.

Couple that with your fascination with null content verbiage and i see
no reason to encourage you or waste time explaining something you have
already made up your mind about.

"Know that a Mind can only apprehend those Things with which it is
already familiar, at least in Part. Moreover, it will ever interpret
according to the Distortion of its own Lenses. Thus, in a great War, all
Speech soever may be understood as if it were of Reference thereunto;
also, a Guilty Person, or a Melancholic may see in every Stranger an
Officer of Justice, or one of them that are banded together (him
seemeth) to persecute him, as the Case may be. But consider moreover
that the Mysterious is always the Terrible, for Vulgar Minds."
--
JL

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>
>
>>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
>>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
>>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
>>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>
>
> I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
> Talk about a bunch of utter crap...

That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to
describe the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired
socialization at worst.
--
JL

In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
> >>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
> >>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
> >>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
> >
> >
> > I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
> > Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
>
> That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
> some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to
> describe the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
> insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired
> socialization at worst.
> --
> JL

If you like Castaneda, more power to you.
I'll give his methods a pass, thanks. ;-) Datura is far too dangerous.
Mushrooms are my limit and it's been years since I've messed with _them_.
Cactus was not bad either, but I disliked the length of the trip.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Om
Castenada had me going for the first two books at least. I think it was
around the third I began to wonder....

Did you ever hear of "YAGE" (yah-hey)?
The Amazonian Shamen use it to "travel". William Burroughs went there
and drank the Yage tea. He said it was far and away above ALL other
"Sacred Botanicals". Also, that parts were vivid and illuminating,
parts were terrifying.

It's also known as Ayahuasca. Made from combining two plants, one is the
Vine of Souls and another called...I cant remember what...anyway, the
Shamen say that ingesting the tea takes you to the "Other Place" where a
Being resides.
This Being, if he LIKES you, will answer your questions. However, if
he doesnt LIKE you, or thinks you are too ****-ant to have dared to come
there, he will take your mind.

Plenty of vomiting occurs, either way.

I've had my experiences with shrooms and cactus, too, but Im leery of
trying Yage. I went to bouncingbearbotanicals.com and ordered the two
components....and they sit in a drawer...turning to dust. Im sure the
potency is gone by now.

For one thing, I dont know how much of each to use in the mix, nor how
long to boil it, nor how much to drink. Too many "I dont know's" for
me.

I might try to fly or something....

Lass


Is there FOOD in HEAVEN?

Group: rec.food.cooking Date: Mon, Dec 22, 2008, 12:36pm (EST-1) From:
(Omelet)
In article >, Joseph
Littleshoes > wrote:
Omelet wrote:
If you like Castaneda, more power to you. I'll give his methods a pass,
thanks. ;-) Datura is far too dangerous. Mushrooms are my limit and it's
been years since I've messed with _them_. Cactus was not bad either, but
I disliked the length of the trip.
--
Peace! Om
"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them
humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:

> Om
> Castenada had me going for the first two books at least. I think it was
> around the third I began to wonder....

Yeah, the first two books were pretty good, then it got weird!

>
> Did you ever hear of "YAGE" (yah-hey)?
> The Amazonian Shamen use it to "travel". William Burroughs went there
> and drank the Yage tea. He said it was far and away above ALL other
> "Sacred Botanicals". Also, that parts were vivid and illuminating,
> parts were terrifying.
>
> It's also known as Ayahuasca. Made from combining two plants, one is the
> Vine of Souls and another called...I cant remember what...anyway, the
> Shamen say that ingesting the tea takes you to the "Other Place" where a
> Being resides.
> This Being, if he LIKES you, will answer your questions. However, if
> he doesnt LIKE you, or thinks you are too ****-ant to have dared to come
> there, he will take your mind.
>
> Plenty of vomiting occurs, either way.

I've read about Ayahuasca, but would never try it. <g> It sounds
unpleasant at best. Peruvian Torch was bad enough. I only tried it 3
times and kept upping the dose each time. The third time, I threw up at
two hours. Never messed with it again after that. :-p

>
> I've had my experiences with shrooms and cactus, too, but Im leery of
> trying Yage. I went to bouncingbearbotanicals.com and ordered the two
> components....and they sit in a drawer...turning to dust. Im sure the
> potency is gone by now.

<lol> One never knows... I've not messed with psychedelics for a few
years now. Have not felt the desire or need. Contrary to popular
belief, they are anything but addicting. I originally only messed with
them in low doses in the first place to try to get over my depression
over my mother's death.

It worked. Mushrooms literally gave me my life back. There is a reason
they are called "teachers".

Castaneda was more into Datura iirc. Something I'd never touch. WAY too
toxic. It's killed more than one person. At least 'shrooms are safe!

>
> For one thing, I dont know how much of each to use in the mix, nor how
> long to boil it, nor how much to drink. Too many "I dont know's" for
> me.
>
> I might try to fly or something....
>
> Lass

There are recipes if you google for them, but personally I'd not mess
with it.

A VERY good "herbal" reference website is he

http://www.erowid.org/

Frankly, the concept of messing with them at all at first scared the
hell out of me. I researched them for 3 months before taking the plunge,
then only played with them maybe 1/2 dozen times over 6 months.

Another interesting one you might want to look at is Salvia divinorum.
Fascinating stuff and it only lasts 10 minutes... Effects are similar to
DMT.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.

Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
"Other Place".

Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
shrooms, Peyote, Salvia (didnt like it), DMT (REALLY hated it), Never
would be stupid enough to do Datura (maybe Castenada smoked a bit TOO
much Datura? and went NUTS?) natch, THC, Mescaline and psylocybin, acid
(best of all, IMO) and a few "legal" Sacred Botanicals that didnt
impress me much.

I agree wholeheartedly that these Gifts of Nature ARE great Healers. I
used psychedelics after the deaths of some of my family members and I
know beyond the shadow of a doubt it helped me cut through months of
Healing time in a few hours. I was able to go right from grief and
anger to acceptance and even to the ultimate Perfection of their lives,
including their passage from It, to Joy for their successful Completion.
That can take YEARS sometimes.

It seems a great and tragic wrong to me that the "scientific
experimentation" with these substances was done so poorly, in
circumstances virtually guaranteed to produce bad results. Imagine what
a difference it might make for the terminal patient to be able bridge
the gap of fear and dread thru their use?

If all things were perfect, some kind person would slip a tab of acid
under my tongue as Im dying. Not much chance of that, tho.

Lass

"Lass Chance_2" > wrote in message
...
> Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
>
> Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
> "Other Place".
>
> Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
> shrooms, Peyote,

Peyote is wonderful stuff. A couple of fresh buttons, not the "eat nine,
puke and see God" garbage so many did. It predisposes one to joy. And makes
colors go straight to the emotions. I loved it.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:19:12 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>>
>>>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
>>>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
>>>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
>>>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>>
>> I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
>> Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
>
> That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
> some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to
> describe the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
> insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired
> socialization at worst.

so anything written is as valuable as any other thing that has been
written?

blake

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:41:47 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>
>> I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
>> are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
>> public figure.
>
>> As I have already said, Im quite bored with this.
>> Here's a Newsflash: I dont "gossip" and there isnt a LIVING man on this
>> planet I "fear" and sure as hell not a dead one...particularly not a
>> foolish fat flatulent flaccid dead one. (I am referring to AC, here, NOT
>> YOU....although, if the shoe fits...)
>>
>> IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
>> bitch-slapped YOU.
>
> As long as there's nothing personal.

it's always amusing when someone delivers an incoherent rant and then
thinks they have 'bitch-slapped' another party.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:41:47 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
>>> are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
>>> public figure.
>>
>>> As I have already said, Im quite bored with this.
>>> Here's a Newsflash: I dont "gossip" and there isnt a LIVING man on this
>>> planet I "fear" and sure as hell not a dead one...particularly not a
>>> foolish fat flatulent flaccid dead one. (I am referring to AC, here, NOT
>>> YOU....although, if the shoe fits...)
>>>
>>> IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
>>> bitch-slapped YOU.
>>
>> As long as there's nothing personal.
>
> it's always amusing when someone delivers an incoherent rant and then
> thinks they have 'bitch-slapped' another party.
>

What's funnier is all this passionover Alistair Crowley. (sp?)

blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:19:12 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
>>>>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
>>>>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
>>>>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>>>
>>>I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
>>>Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
>>
>>That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
>>some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to
>>describe the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
>>insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired
>>socialization at worst.
>
>
> so anything written is as valuable as any other thing that has been
> written?
>
> blake

I do not consider "crap" a valid literary criticism.
--
JL

"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
.. .
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:19:12 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Omelet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>> (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
>>>>>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
>>>>>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
>>>>>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>>>>
>>>>I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
>>>>Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
>>>
>>>That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
>>>some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to describe
>>>the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
>>>insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired socialization
>>>at worst.
>>
>>
>> so anything written is as valuable as any other thing that has been
>> written?
>>
>> blake
>
> I do not consider "crap" a valid literary criticism.
> --

Dorothy Parker did.

In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:

> Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
>
> Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
> "Other Place".
>
> Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
> shrooms, Peyote, Salvia (didnt like it), DMT (REALLY hated it), Never
> would be stupid enough to do Datura (maybe Castenada smoked a bit TOO
> much Datura? and went NUTS?) natch, THC, Mescaline and psylocybin, acid
> (best of all, IMO) and a few "legal" Sacred Botanicals that didnt
> impress me much.

Iirc, Castaneda _imbibed_ Datura.

Salvia is amazing if you "hit" it right.

More via private e-mail.

>
> I agree wholeheartedly that these Gifts of Nature ARE great Healers. I
> used psychedelics after the deaths of some of my family members and I
> know beyond the shadow of a doubt it helped me cut through months of
> Healing time in a few hours. I was able to go right from grief and
> anger to acceptance and even to the ultimate Perfection of their lives,
> including their passage from It, to Joy for their successful Completion.
> That can take YEARS sometimes.

There is evidence that Psilocybin, when combined with psychotherapy, can
cut YEARS off of therapy, if the DEA would allow more testing with it.
I've done the reading.

>
> It seems a great and tragic wrong to me that the "scientific
> experimentation" with these substances was done so poorly, in
> circumstances virtually guaranteed to produce bad results.

Actually, it's more a matter of paperwork and legality. I'll have to
find those book titles and pass them on.

> Imagine what
> a difference it might make for the terminal patient to be able bridge
> the gap of fear and dread thru their use?

Yes.

>
> If all things were perfect, some kind person would slip a tab of acid
> under my tongue as Im dying. Not much chance of that, tho.
>
> Lass

I know. :-(

But I'd rather have a tab of purified Psilocybin. I've tried acid. Not
a fan of it.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

cybercat wrote:

> "Lass Chance_2" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
>>
>>Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
>>"Other Place".
>>
>>Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
>>shrooms, Peyote,
>
>
> Peyote is wonderful stuff. A couple of fresh buttons, not the "eat nine,
> puke and see God" garbage so many did. It predisposes one to joy. And makes
> colors go straight to the emotions. I loved it.
>
>

I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
> > "Lass Chance_2" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
> >>
> >>Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
> >>"Other Place".
> >>
> >>Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
> >>shrooms, Peyote,
> >
> >
> > Peyote is wonderful stuff. A couple of fresh buttons, not the "eat nine,
> > puke and see God" garbage so many did. It predisposes one to joy. And makes
> > colors go straight to the emotions. I loved it.
> >
> >
>
> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.

I was at first. I did a considerable amount of research before making
the decision to try it to try to learn to cope with my loss.

It's very much a personal decision and not one to be taken lightly.
For me, it was not recreational.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Kathleen wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Lass Chance_2" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
>>>
>>> Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
>>> "Other Place".
>>>
>>> Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
>>> shrooms, Peyote,
>>
>>
>>
>> Peyote is wonderful stuff. A couple of fresh buttons, not the "eat
>> nine, puke and see God" garbage so many did. It predisposes one to
>> joy. And makes colors go straight to the emotions. I loved it.
>>
>
> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>

Dang sticky buttons...

My day-to-day reality is plenty colorful enough.

My daughter came home from school recently, incredibly relieved, with an
article about synesthesia, which is basically a condition in which your
senses overlap. It's signal bleed. Colors have flavor, words have
weight or color or texture, numbers have smell, sounds have texture and
temperature.

The specific experience varies from person to person. I've got it, have
known the name for it since high school but it never occurred to me to
talk to my kids about it, or that one or both might also have it and
that it was worrisome to them. You learn early on not to discuss it
because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
damaged or on drugs, or B) feel disappointed that they haven't got it
themselves.

Some sounds have smells or colors or textures and sometimes all three.
When we went to Spain, our guide, Maria Theresa, had the most amazing
voice. It smelled like chocolate and felt like suede, but lit up orange
around the edges, especially when she laughed.

Some numbers have a smell or a color but not both, or at least not for
me. 14 smells like peppermint. Two is yellow. Tastes definitely have
color. You would think rare steak would be red but it's not, it's dark
blue. And music has so much going on that it can be really distracting
when I need to concentrate.

"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...
> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "Lass Chance_2" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Om---oooops! I emailed you before reading this post.
>>>
>>>Nah....Im pretty much OVER having to puke a few hours to get to the
>>>"Other Place".
>>>
>>>Ive never tried the Peruvian Torch, but I have some experience with
>>>shrooms, Peyote,
>>
>>
>> Peyote is wonderful stuff. A couple of fresh buttons, not the "eat nine,
>> puke and see God" garbage so many did. It predisposes one to joy. And
>> makes colors go straight to the emotions. I loved it.
>
> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>

I was a child. Seventeen, that seems like a child now. I just chewed the
fresh, bitter, gritty flesh of the button (peeled of course and without the
little "eyes") very slowly and waited to see how I felt. The tour of some
famous NYC church after was neat, we went up to where the carillon bells
rang. I remember pausing for a while at the stained glass windows. That was
when all you had to have was a card saying you were a member of the Native
American Church to buy peyote legally.
I only did it that once. Every other time I saw peyote it was dried up,
black, not something I would want to eat. The ones we had in NYC were strung
on a wreath like wire, fresh, hung in a friend's kitchen. They looked like
the tops of those ornamental cacti that have the red head grafted on, only
they were green.

"Kathleen" > wrote in message
...

You learn early on not to discuss it
> because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
> damaged or on drugs, or B) feel disappointed that they haven't got it
> themselves.
>
> Some sounds have smells or colors or textures and sometimes all three.
> When we went to Spain, our guide, Maria Theresa, had the most amazing
> voice. It smelled like chocolate and felt like suede, but lit up orange
> around the edges, especially when she laughed.
>
> Some numbers have a smell or a color but not both, or at least not for me.
> 14 smells like peppermint. Two is yellow. Tastes definitely have color.
> You would think rare steak would be red but it's not, it's dark blue. And
> music has so much going on that it can be really distracting when I need
> to concentrate.
>

Wild!!! I'm of the category B variety above. I saw something on the
Discovery Health Channel once on one of those mystery diagnosis shows about
a woman who could smell through her eyes. It sounds similar to what you're
describing. Life must be one adventure after another for you. No wonder
you're such a colorful story-teller -- you live with so many active senses.
Neat!

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:41:47 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > (Lass Chance_2) wrote:
> >
> >> I don't know where you're from, but here in the US of A, we pretty much
> >> are guaranteed the right to have and express any opinion about any
> >> public figure.
> >
> >> As I have already said, Im quite bored with this.
> >> Here's a Newsflash: I dont "gossip" and there isnt a LIVING man on this
> >> planet I "fear" and sure as hell not a dead one...particularly not a
> >> foolish fat flatulent flaccid dead one. (I am referring to AC, here, NOT
> >> YOU....although, if the shoe fits...)
> >>
> >> IF I could meet the man, I would probably bitch-slap him, much as I have
> >> bitch-slapped YOU.
> >
> > As long as there's nothing personal.
>
> it's always amusing when someone delivers an incoherent rant and then
> thinks they have 'bitch-slapped' another party.

First of all, I tend to take people at their word. If Lass calls it a
bitch slap, then I accept that as its intent. Whether she did a good
job of it or not is yet another question.

Secondly, I don't have such a great command of certain parts of the
English language. Even though I looked up the word, it conjures up a
picture in my mind of a woman delivering an incoherent PMS inspired rant.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Dang sticky buttons...
>
> My day-to-day reality is plenty colorful enough.
>
> My daughter came home from school recently, incredibly relieved, with an
> article about synesthesia, which is basically a condition in which your
> senses overlap. It's signal bleed. Colors have flavor, words have
> weight or color or texture, numbers have smell, sounds have texture and
> temperature.
>
> The specific experience varies from person to person. I've got it, have
> known the name for it since high school but it never occurred to me to
> talk to my kids about it, or that one or both might also have it and
> that it was worrisome to them. You learn early on not to discuss it
> because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
> damaged or on drugs, or B) feel disappointed that they haven't got it
> themselves.
>
> Some sounds have smells or colors or textures and sometimes all three.
> When we went to Spain, our guide, Maria Theresa, had the most amazing
> voice. It smelled like chocolate and felt like suede, but lit up orange
> around the edges, especially when she laughed.
>
> Some numbers have a smell or a color but not both, or at least not for
> me. 14 smells like peppermint. Two is yellow. Tastes definitely have
> color. You would think rare steak would be red but it's not, it's dark
> blue. And music has so much going on that it can be really distracting
> when I need to concentrate.

Sensory overload from sleep deprivation (a common problem in today's
world) will do that to you. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Cheryl wrote:

> "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> You learn early on not to discuss it
>
>> because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
>> damaged or on drugs, or B) feel disappointed that they haven't got it
>> themselves.
>>
>> Some sounds have smells or colors or textures and sometimes all three.
>> When we went to Spain, our guide, Maria Theresa, had the most amazing
>> voice. It smelled like chocolate and felt like suede, but lit up
>> orange around the edges, especially when she laughed.
>>
>> Some numbers have a smell or a color but not both, or at least not for
>> me. 14 smells like peppermint. Two is yellow. Tastes definitely have
>> color. You would think rare steak would be red but it's not, it's dark
>> blue. And music has so much going on that it can be really
>> distracting when I need to concentrate.
>>
>
> Wild!!! I'm of the category B variety above. I saw something on
> the Discovery Health Channel once on one of those mystery diagnosis
> shows about a woman who could smell through her eyes. It sounds similar
> to what you're describing. Life must be one adventure after another for
> you. No wonder you're such a colorful story-teller -- you live with so
> many active senses. Neat!
>

My sister definitely falls into the "A" category. Says it sounds like
brain damage and that someday there will be a pill to fix it. I
wouldn't take it. Hell, people take pills to get it. My mother finds
it incomprehensible although if I take the time to describe a particular
experience she can sort of appreciate what I'm trying to convey. She
asked once, "How did you come up with that", refering to something I
described. I don't "come up with it", it's how things are for me.

I suspect my father knows more about it than he is willing to admit.

From what little research has been done it appears to be inherited. It
appears to be an x-linked dominant. It tends to show up in conjunction
with left-handedness. My daughter and I are ambidexterous, using the
right for writing and eating, the left for throwing, lifting, batting
unscrewing. My son writes left-handed but probably shouldn't, eats left
handed, and uses his right for everything else. Go figure.

There is no doubt that it enriches my experience of the world around me
but I also find certain situations overwhelming. Crowded malls are
horrible. The jagged, purple noise of so many people makes me hot
behind the eyes.

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>>You learn early on not to discuss it
>>because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
>>damaged or on drugs <snip>

> Sensory overload from sleep deprivation (a common problem in today's
> world) will do that to you. :-)

See?

cybercat wrote:
> "Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
> .. .
>
>>blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:19:12 -0800, Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Omelet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article >,
(Lass Chance_2) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Again I find I must repeat myself. I have read just enough of his
>>>>>>"writings" to realize he was full of shit. That doesnt take much
>>>>>>reading. Having discovered it...why oh WHY would I KEEP reading???
>>>>>>..and why or WHY did YOU, pray tell?
>>>>>
>>>>>I feel the same about Carlos Casteneda. <g>
>>>>>Talk about a bunch of utter crap...
>>>>
>>>>That's just another example of what i disagree with. Even if it were in
>>>>some demonstrable way "True" the use of such a term as "crap" to describe
>>>>the writings of a person held in high esteem by many people is
>>>>insensitive at best, demonstrative of an seriously impaired socialization
>>>>at worst.
>>>
>>>
>>>so anything written is as valuable as any other thing that has been
>>>written?
>>>
>>>blake
>>
>>I do not consider "crap" a valid literary criticism.
>>--
>
>
> Dorothy Parker did.
>
>
That's not even an excuse
--
JL

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Cheryl wrote:
>
> > "Kathleen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > You learn early on not to discuss it
> >
> >> because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
> >> damaged or on drugs, or B) feel disappointed that they haven't got it
> >> themselves.
> >>
> >> Some sounds have smells or colors or textures and sometimes all three.
> >> When we went to Spain, our guide, Maria Theresa, had the most amazing
> >> voice. It smelled like chocolate and felt like suede, but lit up
> >> orange around the edges, especially when she laughed.
> >>
> >> Some numbers have a smell or a color but not both, or at least not for
> >> me. 14 smells like peppermint. Two is yellow. Tastes definitely have
> >> color. You would think rare steak would be red but it's not, it's dark
> >> blue. And music has so much going on that it can be really
> >> distracting when I need to concentrate.
> >>
> >
> > Wild!!! I'm of the category B variety above. I saw something on
> > the Discovery Health Channel once on one of those mystery diagnosis
> > shows about a woman who could smell through her eyes. It sounds similar
> > to what you're describing. Life must be one adventure after another for
> > you. No wonder you're such a colorful story-teller -- you live with so
> > many active senses. Neat!
> >
>
> My sister definitely falls into the "A" category. Says it sounds like
> brain damage and that someday there will be a pill to fix it. I
> wouldn't take it. Hell, people take pills to get it. My mother finds
> it incomprehensible although if I take the time to describe a particular
> experience she can sort of appreciate what I'm trying to convey. She
> asked once, "How did you come up with that", refering to something I
> described. I don't "come up with it", it's how things are for me.
>
> I suspect my father knows more about it than he is willing to admit.
>
> From what little research has been done it appears to be inherited. It
> appears to be an x-linked dominant. It tends to show up in conjunction
> with left-handedness. My daughter and I are ambidexterous, using the
> right for writing and eating, the left for throwing, lifting, batting
> unscrewing. My son writes left-handed but probably shouldn't, eats left
> handed, and uses his right for everything else. Go figure.
>
> There is no doubt that it enriches my experience of the world around me
> but I also find certain situations overwhelming. Crowded malls are
> horrible. The jagged, purple noise of so many people makes me hot
> behind the eyes.

Very cool... but it sounds like it can cause sensory overload
sometimes. ;-)
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Kathleen > wrote:
> >>You learn early on not to discuss it
> >>because people either A) worry about you and think you might be brain
> >>damaged or on drugs <snip>
>
> > Sensory overload from sleep deprivation (a common problem in today's
> > world) will do that to you. :-)
>
> See?

Music has texture for me, but that's about it until I get REALLY sleep
deprived!

I get about 4 hours sleep per day on average. I try to make up for it
on Sundays.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

"Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>
And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to even
discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos. I am
frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I want to
understand relativity, time and string theory.

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
> > I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
> >
> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to even
> discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos. I am
> frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I want to
> understand relativity, time and string theory.

What leads you to make that kind of broad statement?
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Giusi said...

> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>>
> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to
> even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos.
> I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I
> want to understand relativity, time and string theory.


I wouldn't believe listening to MYSELF explaining the cosmos on Psilocybin.

Andy

Andy said...

> Giusi said...
>
>> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>>>
>> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to
>> even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos.
>> I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I
>> want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
>
>
> I wouldn't believe listening to MYSELF explaining the cosmos on
Psilocybin.
>
> Andy


In the scheme of things, we're primates in a third world existence in the
universe. Less organized than ants!

There BETTER be food in Heaven. And it better be deep fried OR served with
sausage gravy!!!

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Andy said...
>
> > Giusi said...
> >
> >> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
> >>> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
> >>>
> >> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to
> >> even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos.
> >> I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I
> >> want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't believe listening to MYSELF explaining the cosmos on
> Psilocybin.
> >
> > Andy
>
>
> In the scheme of things, we're primates in a third world existence in the
> universe. Less organized than ants!
>
> There BETTER be food in Heaven. And it better be deep fried OR served with
> sausage gravy!!!
>
> Andy

Marinara sauce...
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet said...

> In article >, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Andy said...
>>
>> > Giusi said...
>> >
>> >> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>> >>> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>> >>>
>> >> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity
>> >> to even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the
>> >> cosmos. I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom
>> >> eaters if I want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wouldn't believe listening to MYSELF explaining the cosmos on
>> Psilocybin.
>> >
>> > Andy
>>
>>
>> In the scheme of things, we're primates in a third world existence in
>> the universe. Less organized than ants!
>>
>> There BETTER be food in Heaven. And it better be deep fried OR served
>> with sausage gravy!!!
>>
>> Andy
>
> Marinara sauce...


Marinara sauce? Doesn't that spell heartburn? Belongs someplace else?
Perhaps?

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Omelet said...
>
> > In article >, Andy > wrote:
> >
> >> Andy said...
> >>
> >> > Giusi said...
> >> >
> >> >> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
> >> >>> I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
> >> >>>
> >> >> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity
> >> >> to even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the
> >> >> cosmos. I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom
> >> >> eaters if I want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't believe listening to MYSELF explaining the cosmos on
> >> Psilocybin.
> >> >
> >> > Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> In the scheme of things, we're primates in a third world existence in
> >> the universe. Less organized than ants!
> >>
> >> There BETTER be food in Heaven. And it better be deep fried OR served
> >> with sausage gravy!!!
> >>
> >> Andy
> >
> > Marinara sauce...
>
>
> Marinara sauce? Doesn't that spell heartburn? Belongs someplace else?
> Perhaps?
>
> Andy

Actually, since I've been receiving regular chiropractic care, my use of
antacids has been cut considerably.

His website does not lie. I'm a bit surprised frankly, but it's working.
It's not why I started it but has been a pleasant side effect.

The human body is very complex, and totally run by the nervous system.

Even my beloved low sodium V-8 is no longer causing heartburn.

Be cautious about Chiro's. Get references. I did and it paid off.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Omelet said...

> Be cautious about Chiro's. Get references. I did and it paid off.


Om,

I always thought chiropractors were quacks until two years ago when I bumped
into my dentist going into his chiropractor's office.

I gave it a second thought but again shrugged off the idea as preposterous.

Maybe a time will come when I'll have to ignore my presumption and visit one.

Best,

Andy

Giusi wrote:
> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>
>>I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>>
>
> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to even
> discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos. I am
> frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I want to
> understand relativity, time and string theory.
>
>

I believe in the possibility of some sort of afterlife because I believe
in physics. Matter and energy.

"Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio > Giusi wrote:
>> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>
>>>I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>>>
>>
>> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to
>> even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos.
>> I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I
>> want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
>
> I believe in the possibility of some sort of afterlife because I believe
> in physics. Matter and energy.
>
Me too! Once I am cosmic energy, no more dieting! That's Heaven...

Giusi said...

> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio > Giusi wrote:
>>> "Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio
>>>
>>>>I'd be scared shitless to do any kind of psychadelic substance.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And rightfully so. Those who have indulged have lost their capacity to
>>> even discern what it is we think when they start explaining the cosmos.
>>> I am frankly more apt to listen to scientists than mushroom eaters if I
>>> want to understand relativity, time and string theory.
>>
>> I believe in the possibility of some sort of afterlife because I believe
>> in physics. Matter and energy.
>>
> Me too! Once I am cosmic energy, no more dieting! That's Heaven...


As if you won't continue to take up space?!?

The universe expanded just enough to make you fit in!

<VBG>

Andy

In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Omelet said...
>
> > Be cautious about Chiro's. Get references. I did and it paid off.
>
>
> Om,
>
> I always thought chiropractors were quacks until two years ago when I bumped
> into my dentist going into his chiropractor's office.
>
> I gave it a second thought but again shrugged off the idea as preposterous.
>
> Maybe a time will come when I'll have to ignore my presumption and visit one.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

It works for me. :-)
But again, I got references...

6 months under Dr. Stamps care and I'll continue.
He's given me my mobility back.

Just keep in mind that it's real healing, so takes TIME. How much time
depends on how bad off you are.

My spine is totally screwed.

Or was anyway. <g>
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama