In article >,
flitterbit > wrote:

> > Geez. I have "heirloom" knives that are over 40 years old and still
> > going strong. They have always been hand washed and will always be hand
> > washed!
> >
> >
> Well, I'm not quite old enough -- yet -- to have bought knives 40+ years
> ago, but that day will come ;D I hand-wash knives, too; it's not that
> big a deal, and it prolongs the life of the knife.

Thanks for helping me make my point. <g>

I'm 46.

The knives belong(ed) to my parents. (One is gone, the other lives with
me, one knife belonged to dad's grandfather, my great grandfather.
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In article
>,
phaeton > wrote:

> Well thanks everyone.
>
> I will handwash my knives and pans from now on. I didn't realize it
> was such a big deal,

Knives, like cast iron cookware, are sacrosanct. ;-)

A good sharp knife is a very valuable tool in the kitchen and you will
abuse them at your own peril!
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
>
> > Well thanks everyone.
> >
> > I will handwash my knives and pans from now on. I didn't realize it
> > was such a big deal, and I don't necessarily mind it so much. I
> > presume that my Sango Nova Black Stoneware plates/bowls/mugs and glass
> > tumblers are fine in the dishwasher though?
> >
> > Cookbooks: I actually did a bit of research into cookbooks and
> > searched around for the two I have (I'm geeky by nature, so I can't
> > really help this). I'm aware that the ultimate copy of "Joy of
> > Cooking" is the 1975 release, but the 1964 edition I have is the
> > closest I have found. It's actually in pretty good shape, and I
> > couldn't believe it was $4.95. The Better Homes And Gardens Cookbook
> > actually gets more use, and it looks like it had never even been
> > opened when I bought it ($15 used). I had a BHG cookbook with the 3-
> > ring type binder about 15 years ago. It was probably from the early
> > 1970s. My mom gave it to me when I moved out, and a roommate's mother
> > took it when she helped her son move back home.
> >
> > I can't tell if I enjoy the cooking or the eating more. Up until I
> > was about 30 I used to think the whole hunger/eating thing was an
> > annoyance. Now I plan meals ahead, sometimes weeks in advance. It's
> > funny. Rolling through the cookbooks like I'm doing is a very
> > rewarding experience. I learn something every time, and that's a fun
> > journey.
> >
> > Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir in this
> > ng ;-)
> >
> > Thanks everyone!
>
> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone needs
> their faith renewed from time to time.
>
> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
cookbooks. <g>
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On Tue 30 Dec 2008 12:37:36p, Omelet told us...

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
>>
>> > Well thanks everyone.
>> >
>> > I will handwash my knives and pans from now on. I didn't realize it
>> > was such a big deal, and I don't necessarily mind it so much. I
>> > presume that my Sango Nova Black Stoneware plates/bowls/mugs and glass
>> > tumblers are fine in the dishwasher though?
>> >
>> > Cookbooks: I actually did a bit of research into cookbooks and
>> > searched around for the two I have (I'm geeky by nature, so I can't
>> > really help this). I'm aware that the ultimate copy of "Joy of
>> > Cooking" is the 1975 release, but the 1964 edition I have is the
>> > closest I have found. It's actually in pretty good shape, and I
>> > couldn't believe it was $4.95. The Better Homes And Gardens Cookbook
>> > actually gets more use, and it looks like it had never even been
>> > opened when I bought it ($15 used). I had a BHG cookbook with the 3-
>> > ring type binder about 15 years ago. It was probably from the early
>> > 1970s. My mom gave it to me when I moved out, and a roommate's mother
>> > took it when she helped her son move back home.
>> >
>> > I can't tell if I enjoy the cooking or the eating more. Up until I
>> > was about 30 I used to think the whole hunger/eating thing was an
>> > annoyance. Now I plan meals ahead, sometimes weeks in advance. It's
>> > funny. Rolling through the cookbooks like I'm doing is a very
>> > rewarding experience. I learn something every time, and that's a fun
>> > journey.
>> >
>> > Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir in this
>> > ng ;-)
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone!
>>
>> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone needs
>> their faith renewed from time to time.
>>
>> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> cookbooks. <g>

For some things you really need a good cookbook, if for no other reason
than a jumping off point, or creating an "authentic" version of something,
and especially for certain types of baking, candy-making, etc.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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In article 0>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> >> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone needs
> >> their faith renewed from time to time.
> >>
> >> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> > cookbooks. <g>
>
> For some things you really need a good cookbook, if for no other reason
> than a jumping off point, or creating an "authentic" version of something,
> and especially for certain types of baking, candy-making, etc.

You knew what I meant Wayne... ;-)
How often do YOU use a cookbook for daily stuff?

Other than posting some links, how often do you see a lot of people here
(including me) post recipes for stuff they did not make up themselves?

It's part of the joy of this list!
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Tue 30 Dec 2008 01:57:58p, Omelet told us...

> In article 0>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> >> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone
>> >> needs their faith renewed from time to time.
>> >>
>> >> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
>> >>
>> >> your pal,
>> >> blake
>> >
>> > Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
>> > cookbooks. <g>
>>
>> For some things you really need a good cookbook, if for no other reason
>> than a jumping off point, or creating an "authentic" version of
>> something, and especially for certain types of baking, candy-making,
>> etc.
>
> You knew what I meant Wayne... ;-)
> How often do YOU use a cookbook for daily stuff?

Rarely.

>
> Other than posting some links, how often do you see a lot of people here
> (including me) post recipes for stuff they did not make up themselves?

Rarely.

> It's part of the joy of this list!

Indeed!

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
************************************************** **********************
Date: Tuesday, 12(XII)/30(XXX)/08(MMVIII)
************************************************** **********************
Countdown till New Year's Eve
9hrs 31mins
************************************************** **********************
People who think they know everything are the easiest to fool.
************************************************** **********************

In article 0>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Tue 30 Dec 2008 01:57:58p, Omelet told us...
>
> > In article 0>,
> > Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> >
> >> >> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone
> >> >> needs their faith renewed from time to time.
> >> >>
> >> >> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
> >> >>
> >> >> your pal,
> >> >> blake
> >> >
> >> > Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> >> > cookbooks. <g>
> >>
> >> For some things you really need a good cookbook, if for no other reason
> >> than a jumping off point, or creating an "authentic" version of
> >> something, and especially for certain types of baking, candy-making,
> >> etc.
> >
> > You knew what I meant Wayne... ;-)
> > How often do YOU use a cookbook for daily stuff?
>
> Rarely.
>
> >
> > Other than posting some links, how often do you see a lot of people here
> > (including me) post recipes for stuff they did not make up themselves?
>
> Rarely.
>
> > It's part of the joy of this list!
>
> Indeed!

See? <g>
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:24:54 -0600, Becca >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>My knives are Chicago Cutlery and Henckels. Over the years, one of my
>Henckels has been sharpened until there is not much left.

You've likely heard this before, but it is rare that you need to
actually "sharpen" a knife. Generally speaking, blades just need to be
straightened. Actually taking steel off a blade only needs to be done
when an edge can't be maintained. Get yourself a good steel and learn
how to use it!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:37:36 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir in this
>>> ng ;-)
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>
>> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone needs
>> their faith renewed from time to time.
>>
>> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> cookbooks. <g>

well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of the time
(though quite often with my own emendations). i plead poor memory.

your pal,
blake

blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:

>> In article >,
>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir
>>>> in this ng ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks everyone!
>>>
>>> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here.
>>> everyone needs their faith renewed from time to time.
>>>
>>> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits
>> using cookbooks. <g>

> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
> the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
> plead poor memory.

I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
emendations.

--

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Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:31:30 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:
>
>> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
>> the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
>> plead poor memory.
>
>I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
>Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
>quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
>is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
>emendations.

Menopause and a couple medications have really messed with my
memorative abilities, but not with my ability to make up words not
currently in the dictionary. <G>

I started putting some of my, "A bunch of this, a little of that"
recipes into MasterCook as I made them, several years ago. I'm glad,
because now I don't even remember that I used to make some of this
stuff until I see it in the list. "Oh yeah! I think I liked that!"

And it'll be good for my daughter when she wants to make some Mommy
Food.

Carol

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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:37:36 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir in this
> >>> ng ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks everyone!
> >>
> >> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here. everyone needs
> >> their faith renewed from time to time.
> >>
> >> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> > cookbooks. <g>
>
> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of the time
> (though quite often with my own emendations). i plead poor memory.
>
> your pal,
> blake

So long as you modify them to personal taste, you are forgiven. ;-D
I only ever use them for baking since that's kitchen chemistry.

Not that I bake a lot...
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Damsel in dis Dress > wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:31:30 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> > blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:
> >
> >> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
> >> the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
> >> plead poor memory.
> >
> >I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
> >Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
> >quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
> >is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
> >emendations.
>
> Menopause and a couple medications have really messed with my
> memorative abilities, but not with my ability to make up words not
> currently in the dictionary. <G>
>
> I started putting some of my, "A bunch of this, a little of that"
> recipes into MasterCook as I made them, several years ago. I'm glad,
> because now I don't even remember that I used to make some of this
> stuff until I see it in the list. "Oh yeah! I think I liked that!"
>
> And it'll be good for my daughter when she wants to make some Mommy
> Food.
>
> Carol

Writing stuff down is never a bad thing...
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In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:
>
> >> In article >,
> >> blake murphy > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:59:49 -0800 (PST), phaeton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Of course, I'm probably preaching those things to the choir
> >>>> in this ng ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks everyone!
> >>>
> >>> i wouldn't be worried about preaching to the choir here.
> >>> everyone needs their faith renewed from time to time.
> >>>
> >>> i'm glad you're having a good time with it.
> >>>
> >>> your pal,
> >>> blake
> >>
> >> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits
> >> using cookbooks. <g>
>
> > well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
> > the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
> > plead poor memory.
>
> I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
> Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
> quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
> is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
> emendations.

My cooking file (mostly recipes I've collected from this list and some
that I've posted) is simply named "Nutrition".

It also has a sub-folder of food pics I've taken.
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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:31:30 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:
>>
>>
>>>well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
>>>the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
>>>plead poor memory.
>>
>>I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
>>Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
>>quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
>>is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
>>emendations.
>
>
> Menopause and a couple medications have really messed with my
> memorative abilities, but not with my ability to make up words not
> currently in the dictionary. <G>
>
> I started putting some of my, "A bunch of this, a little of that"
> recipes into MasterCook as I made them, several years ago. I'm glad,
> because now I don't even remember that I used to make some of this
> stuff until I see it in the list. "Oh yeah! I think I liked that!"
>
> And it'll be good for my daughter when she wants to make some Mommy
> Food.
>
> Carol
>

I've been making a conscious effort to at least approximate measurements
to favorite foods so they can be written down.

Dear Daughter: WTF?! Are you kidding? That's it? That's all it takes?"

Me: "Yeah. That and the exhaust fan turned on high and a shower cap
over the smoke alarm."

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:24:54 -0600, Becca >
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>> My knives are Chicago Cutlery and Henckels. Over the years, one of my
>> Henckels has been sharpened until there is not much left.
>
> You've likely heard this before, but it is rare that you need to
> actually "sharpen" a knife. Generally speaking, blades just need to be
> straightened. Actually taking steel off a blade only needs to be done
> when an edge can't be maintained. Get yourself a good steel and learn
> how to use it!
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

That is great advice, thanks. I have a steel and I use it, but my
favorite Henckels was my grandmother's, and it is about 55 years old
(just a guess on my part).

We have my Henckels, my grandmother's Henckels and my husband's mother's
Henckels. We have plenty of knives, but this one from my grandmother is
special.

Becca

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:13:49 -0600, Kathleen
> wrote:

>I've been making a conscious effort to at least approximate measurements
>to favorite foods so they can be written down.
>
>Dear Daughter: WTF?! Are you kidding? That's it? That's all it takes?"
>
>Me: "Yeah. That and the exhaust fan turned on high and a shower cap
>over the smoke alarm."

I'm making a note to get a shower cap. Great idea!

Carol

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Kathleen wrote:
>
> Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:31:30 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>blake wrote on Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:21:00 GMT:
> >>
> >>
> >>>well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of
> >>>the time (though quite often with my own emendations). i
> >>>plead poor memory.
> >>
> >>I'll go along with that! My main cookbook is a Windows file called
> >>Food/Tested. I print out almost all recipes before I use them. I've had
> >>quite a few disasters when I trust my memory :-) The root file, Food,
> >>is recipes that I intend to try and perhaps move to Tested with my
> >>emendations.
> >
> >
> > Menopause and a couple medications have really messed with my
> > memorative abilities, but not with my ability to make up words not
> > currently in the dictionary. <G>
> >
> > I started putting some of my, "A bunch of this, a little of that"
> > recipes into MasterCook as I made them, several years ago. I'm glad,
> > because now I don't even remember that I used to make some of this
> > stuff until I see it in the list. "Oh yeah! I think I liked that!"
> >
> > And it'll be good for my daughter when she wants to make some Mommy
> > Food.
> >
> > Carol
> >
>
> I've been making a conscious effort to at least approximate measurements
> to favorite foods so they can be written down.
>
> Dear Daughter: WTF?! Are you kidding? That's it? That's all it takes?"
>
> Me: "Yeah. That and the exhaust fan turned on high and a shower cap
> over the smoke alarm."

LOL. Actually had to explain to someone in our student housing that the
smoke alarm going off *every* time he made his dinner wasn't really a
coincidence

"Kathleen" ha scritto nel messaggio > Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> Dear Daughter: WTF?! Are you kidding? That's it? That's all it takes?"
>
> Me: "Yeah. That and the exhaust fan turned on high and a shower cap over
> the smoke alarm."
>
You cook like my kid!

I have been hand writing the definitive version of foods she has loved or my
recipes that have become classics in a book a friend made me. I pulled out
an ancient "DIY" book from the 70s and found a recipe she had written into
it at 7. It finishes "you can add seven or twelve spoons of sugar to the
cup if you like to."
Feelings like that engendered are not easy to come by...

On Dec 31 2008, 1:13*pm, Kathleen > wrote:
>
> .... a shower cap
> over the smoke alarm.

That's a great idea! Wish I'd known about that when we rented a house
a few years ago. It had an electric stove and I had to preheat the
wok for several minutes. It became routine to disconnect the smoke
alarm before putting anything in the wok. -aem

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:45:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:37:36 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
>>> cookbooks. <g>
>>
>> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of the time
>> (though quite often with my own emendations). i plead poor memory.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> So long as you modify them to personal taste, you are forgiven. ;-D
> I only ever use them for baking since that's kitchen chemistry.
>
> Not that I bake a lot...

my father is one who mostly wings it. more than once after we'd eaten,
he'd say 'well, that was pretty damn good, if i do say so myself. i wish i
could remember what i did.'

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:45:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:37:36 -0600, Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Seconded. ;-) Grasshopper will truly graduate when he quits using
> >>> cookbooks. <g>
> >>
> >> well, not to say i'm a great cook, but i use cookbooks most of the time
> >> (though quite often with my own emendations). i plead poor memory.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > So long as you modify them to personal taste, you are forgiven. ;-D
> > I only ever use them for baking since that's kitchen chemistry.
> >
> > Not that I bake a lot...
>
> my father is one who mostly wings it. more than once after we'd eaten,
> he'd say 'well, that was pretty damn good, if i do say so myself. i wish i
> could remember what i did.'
>
> your pal,
> blake

LOL! Been there, done that. :-)
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On Dec 28 2008, 1:43*pm, phaeton > wrote:
> > I dont own any copper, sad to say...but IF I were so furtunate, you can
> > bet I would treat them with the respect they deserve.
>
> They're apparently "just Revere", and my knives are "just" Chicago
> Cutlery. *I dunno... -I- like them. *:-)
>
>
>
> > The detergent we use in dishwashers is mighty strong stuff---made to eat
> > theu dried on food...and WAY corrosive. *See what happens to clear
> > plastic glasses? *How they get all...cloudy and scratched-looking?
>
> Is there any less corrosive detergent available, perchance? *

Sorry. The dishwasher relies on very strong detergent. And in case
you're
thinking about using dishwashing liquid made for handwashing your
dishes,
you'll have a big mess if you try it in your dishwasher.
The dishwasher also relies on non-foaming detergent.

Cindy Hamilton