Gregory Morrow wrote:

> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
> mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
> or any other medium.

I will.

nancy

On Wed 31 Dec 2008 09:12:37p, Nancy Young told us...

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
>> mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
>> or any other medium.
>
> I will.
>
> nancy
>

I will, too, Nancy. I have always like Jill and would definitely miss her.
I think Jill and I have always had a mutual understanding of each other. I
can't say the same for a lot of people here. OTOH, I can say it for a lot
of other posters here.

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cybercat wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:55:20 -0600, Omelet >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>My mom's death nearly destroyed me for 3 years.
>>>
>>>GASP! Sounds like you need a real world support group too.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I've - *we've* - all had parents and loved ones die.
>
>
> All points well taken, but that said, we are each different and work through
> things in our own ways. Death of a parent is one of the big ones. I believe
> in giving each individual the respect they deserve to grieve in their own
> way and for however long it takes.
>
> Probably because ... my former best friend and I got close when her father
> died when she was 15. It was a bad scene, she never said goodbye, stayed in
> denial, never went to the hospital to see him. Her crowd was too Tragically
> Hip to allow strong emotion, so I came in handy. When my father died very
> suddenly, this same woman told me, when I mentioned on the telephone that I
> was still not the same, "it's been a year, don't you think that's long
> enough to grieve?" Horrendous thing to say, IMO. At the very least, not
> loving. I was not bending her ear all the time whining, I am not the type.
> After that, more and more I noticed that she, much like "Lou" HAS HER HEAD
> UP HER ASS.

My sister's best friend from high school went through an ugly divorce
and moved down to Phoenix to be closer to my sister. She got her life
turned around, married again, had a baby girl.

And one morning at 6 am my sister got a frantic call from her friend's
husband. She'd slept on the couch the night before because she had a
cold and didn't want to keep her husband awake with snoring,
nose-blowing, etc. when he had to work the next morning. And when he
got up he found her blue and unresponsive.

He'd already called 911 before he called my sister (an emergency room
RN), but Sis beat the ambulance there and started CPR even though she
was quite sure her friend was dead. The EMTs knew her from work and she
rode along in the ambulance while her friend's husband bundled the baby
into her car seat and followed behind.

There never was any hope. She'd died in her sleep some time during the
night of a ruptured aortic aneurism.

My sister was never the same after that. I think the shock and horror
of trying to breathe life back into her obviously dead best friend while
her husband and baby screamed and sobbed released a blast of adrenaline
that fried some of her circuits.

Kathleen wrote:

> My sister's best friend from high school went through an ugly divorce
> and moved down to Phoenix to be closer to my sister. She got her life
> turned around, married again, had a baby girl.
>
> And one morning at 6 am my sister got a frantic call from her friend's
> husband. She'd slept on the couch the night before because she had a
> cold and didn't want to keep her husband awake with snoring,
> nose-blowing, etc. when he had to work the next morning. And when he
> got up he found her blue and unresponsive.
>
> He'd already called 911 before he called my sister (an emergency room
> RN), but Sis beat the ambulance there and started CPR even though she
> was quite sure her friend was dead. The EMTs knew her from work and she
> rode along in the ambulance while her friend's husband bundled the baby
> into her car seat and followed behind.
>
> There never was any hope. She'd died in her sleep some time during the
> night of a ruptured aortic aneurism.
>
> My sister was never the same after that. I think the shock and horror
> of trying to breathe life back into her obviously dead best friend while
> her husband and baby screamed and sobbed released a blast of adrenaline
> that fried some of her circuits.

This was rough on your sister, I am sure. So, how is her friend's
husband and the baby doing?

Becca

Becca wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
>
>> My sister's best friend from high school went through an ugly divorce
>> and moved down to Phoenix to be closer to my sister. She got her life
>> turned around, married again, had a baby girl.
>>
>> And one morning at 6 am my sister got a frantic call from her friend's
>> husband. She'd slept on the couch the night before because she had a
>> cold and didn't want to keep her husband awake with snoring,
>> nose-blowing, etc. when he had to work the next morning. And when he
>> got up he found her blue and unresponsive.
>>
>> He'd already called 911 before he called my sister (an emergency room
>> RN), but Sis beat the ambulance there and started CPR even though she
>> was quite sure her friend was dead. The EMTs knew her from work and
>> she rode along in the ambulance while her friend's husband bundled the
>> baby into her car seat and followed behind.
>>
>> There never was any hope. She'd died in her sleep some time during
>> the night of a ruptured aortic aneurism.
>>
>> My sister was never the same after that. I think the shock and horror
>> of trying to breathe life back into her obviously dead best friend
>> while her husband and baby screamed and sobbed released a blast of
>> adrenaline that fried some of her circuits.
>
>
> This was rough on your sister, I am sure. So, how is her friend's
> husband and the baby doing?

Better now. The baby is 14 years old and has her mother's eyes.

As a mark of how devastated and addled all concerned were at the time,
the husband tried to give his daughter to my sister, and my sister
briefly contemplated taking her. She had two fine sons, but had always
wished for a little girl, her husband was willing, and the child was all
that was left of her friend...

But then she realized that the husband was probably clearing the decks
for a suicide attempt and much as she wanted a daughter, she told him
that the baby had already lost her mother and NEEDED her daddy and how
dare he even think of abandoning his own flesh and blood? And she
alerted both sets of grandparents and joined with them to close ranks
and force him to seek counseling and medical help.

And they got through it, all of them, awful as it was. And eventually
it was okay. Anything that can be survived can be gotten past. But it
changes you.

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
> > mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
> > or any other medium.
>
> I will.
>
> nancy

Same here.
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Wed 31 Dec 2008 09:12:37p, Nancy Young told us...
>
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >
> >> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
> >> mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
> >> or any other medium.
> >
> > I will.
> >
> > nancy
> >
>
> I will, too, Nancy. I have always like Jill and would definitely miss her.
> I think Jill and I have always had a mutual understanding of each other. I
> can't say the same for a lot of people here. OTOH, I can say it for a lot
> of other posters here.

Overall, Jill is good people. :-)
So is Lucas.

Greg is proving himself not to be more and more.

Compassion is how I tend to judge people. The more the better.
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> My sister was never the same after that. I think the shock and horror
> of trying to breathe life back into her obviously dead best friend while
> her husband and baby screamed and sobbed released a blast of adrenaline
> that fried some of her circuits.

That's sad. :-( I hope she can find some resolution someday. There
really was nothing she could do.
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> And they got through it, all of them, awful as it was. And eventually
> it was okay. Anything that can be survived can be gotten past. But it
> changes you.

Indeed...

What does not kill you makes you stronger, but often at a price.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

Kathleen wrote:

> Better now. The baby is 14 years old and has her mother's eyes.
>
> As a mark of how devastated and addled all concerned were at the time,
> the husband tried to give his daughter to my sister, and my sister
> briefly contemplated taking her. She had two fine sons, but had always
> wished for a little girl, her husband was willing, and the child was all
> that was left of her friend...
>
> But then she realized that the husband was probably clearing the decks
> for a suicide attempt and much as she wanted a daughter, she told him
> that the baby had already lost her mother and NEEDED her daddy and how
> dare he even think of abandoning his own flesh and blood? And she
> alerted both sets of grandparents and joined with them to close ranks
> and force him to seek counseling and medical help.
>
> And they got through it, all of them, awful as it was. And eventually
> it was okay. Anything that can be survived can be gotten past. But it
> changes you.
>

Glad to hear they are okay, Kathleen.

Becca

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:43:38 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:45:59 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >
> wrote:
>
>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>>
>>> >I was going to get a small standing rib roast. ?All of the talk about them
>>> >set off a craving! ?But I got tied up with other stuff and forgot to buy one
>>> >when I was in town last week. ?So I'll just thaw the leftover half of the
>>> >cornish game hen from 12/25. ?I do have some nice cheese and crackers to
>>> >snack on, too. ?Not a very exciting meal, but it will do
>>>
>>> Sounds like you've got a big group of friends to hang with. ?
>>
>>Quality is better than quantity... I'm positive Jill's cat Persia is
>>far better company than the likes of you, and infinitely better
>>looking... and I've no doubt cleaner and smells sweeter.
>
> OK. So you're all up on feline companionship. Know much about
> humans?
>
> Lou

cats tell lousy jokes. they all seem to be mouse-related.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:56:09 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:52:04 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>>In article
>,
>> Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh jeez, cry us all a river. You are simply fishing for sympathy
>>> here...
>>>
>>> And by "busy" you mean you are totting up the sum of all that dough
>>> your deceased parents left you...hardly "depressing" since that means
>>> you won't have to get off yer whiny arse and get a job.
>>
>>I'm finally beginning to realize just how much of an ass hole you
>>really are Greg.
>
> Then call me an asshole too because he's 100% spot on. You're
> actually pretty new here and many of us have over 10 years of reading
> her pathetic crap. Most of which should have never made it to usenet.
> You missed her imaginary wedding which took up way to much of the
> groups time.

i'm truly sorry to have missed that one. it sounds like a classic.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:12:55 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:41:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:26:43 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>>>>
>>>>For any newbies out the
>>>>
>>>>MCINL = My Choice is Not Listed
>>>>
>>>>As this will be the last survey for 2008, may I take this opportunity to
>>>>thank all the r.f.c.-ers out there for their survey suggestions, please
>>>>keep them coming.
>>>>
>>>>BTW, Happy New Year to All!
>>>
>>> Happy New Year to you too Cathy. And thanks for all the work you do
>>> here with the site and the surveys.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> amen to that.
>
> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get you to
> vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
>
> ;-)

when they pry the democratic ticket out of my cold, dead hands...

blake

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:27:59 -0000, Ophelia wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get
>> you to vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
>
> Well, since cybercat is one of my favourite people I suppose I ought to add
> you along with blake)

i'm not following. add him to me in terms of what?

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:27:59 -0000, Ophelia wrote:
>
>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get
>>> you to vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
>>
>> Well, since cybercat is one of my favourite people I suppose I ought
>> to add you along with blake)
>
> i'm not following. add him to me in terms of what?

Well, you are one my fave list too)

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 09:42:37a, Omelet told us...

> In article 7>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> On Wed 31 Dec 2008 09:12:37p, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> >
>> >> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
>> >> mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
>> >> or any other medium.
>> >
>> > I will.
>> >
>> > nancy
>> >
>>
>> I will, too, Nancy. I have always like Jill and would definitely miss
>> her. I think Jill and I have always had a mutual understanding of each
>> other. I can't say the same for a lot of people here. OTOH, I can say
>> it for a lot of other posters here.
>
> Overall, Jill is good people. :-)
> So is Lucas.
>
> Greg is proving himself not to be more and more.
>
> Compassion is how I tend to judge people. The more the better.

And a good measurement.

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Gregory Morrow wrote:

>
> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will mourn
> her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat or any other
> medium.
>
>

And you know that...how?

You and Sheldon are doing an awful lot of speaking for others lately,
you both seem to know how everyone else thinks, lives, and reacts.
It must be comforting to be that arrogant.

gloria p

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dimitri wrote:
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > http://www.recfoodcooking.com/
>> >
>> > For any newbies out the
>> >
>> > MCINL = My Choice is Not Listed
>> >
>> > As this will be the last survey for 2008, may I take this opportunity
>> > to
>> > thank all the r.f.c.-ers out there for their survey suggestions, please
>> > keep them coming.
>> >
>> > BTW, Happy New Year to All!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers
>> > Chatty Cathy
>>
>> The primary problem with refrigerator space is, " No matter how much
>> space
>> you have you (one) will eventually fill the space, normally 'cause we do
>> not
>> throw stuff away.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> We need a Tardis-type fridge!

:-)

Who????/

LOL

Dimitri

Kathleen wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
> > "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >
> >>Lou Decruss wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:55:20 -0600, Omelet >
> >>>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>My mom's death nearly destroyed me for 3 years.
> >>>
> >>>GASP! Sounds like you need a real world support group too.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>I've - *we've* - all had parents and loved ones die.
> >
> >
> > All points well taken, but that said, we are each different and work
through
> > things in our own ways. Death of a parent is one of the big ones. I
believe
> > in giving each individual the respect they deserve to grieve in their
own
> > way and for however long it takes.
> >
> > Probably because ... my former best friend and I got close when her
father
> > died when she was 15. It was a bad scene, she never said goodbye, stayed
in
> > denial, never went to the hospital to see him. Her crowd was too
Tragically
> > Hip to allow strong emotion, so I came in handy. When my father died
very
> > suddenly, this same woman told me, when I mentioned on the telephone
that I
> > was still not the same, "it's been a year, don't you think that's long
> > enough to grieve?" Horrendous thing to say, IMO. At the very least, not
> > loving. I was not bending her ear all the time whining, I am not the
type.
> > After that, more and more I noticed that she, much like "Lou" HAS HER
HEAD
> > UP HER ASS.
>
> My sister's best friend from high school went through an ugly divorce
> and moved down to Phoenix to be closer to my sister. She got her life
> turned around, married again, had a baby girl.
>
> And one morning at 6 am my sister got a frantic call from her friend's
> husband. She'd slept on the couch the night before because she had a
> cold and didn't want to keep her husband awake with snoring,
> nose-blowing, etc. when he had to work the next morning. And when he
> got up he found her blue and unresponsive.
>
> He'd already called 911 before he called my sister (an emergency room
> RN), but Sis beat the ambulance there and started CPR even though she
> was quite sure her friend was dead. The EMTs knew her from work and she
> rode along in the ambulance while her friend's husband bundled the baby
> into her car seat and followed behind.
>
> There never was any hope. She'd died in her sleep some time during the
> night of a ruptured aortic aneurism.


You know, that exact scenario happened to a couple I knew, they had
breakfast one mundane morning and then he went to take a shower and she laid
on the couch to watch the _Today_ show. When he returned from the shower
she had died, an aneurism! Just like that...


> My sister was never the same after that. I think the shock and horror
> of trying to breathe life back into her obviously dead best friend while
> her husband and baby screamed and sobbed released a blast of adrenaline
> that fried some of her circuits.


Seeing someone die a traumatic death like that would certainly "fry" me...we
all expect death but not in such a traumatic fashion.


--
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Greg

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:27:59 -0000, Ophelia wrote:
>
> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get
> >> you to vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
> >
> > Well, since cybercat is one of my favourite people I suppose I ought to
add
> > you along with blake)
>
> i'm not following. add him to me in terms of what?


Just call me "Klaatu", blake...

;-p


===>>> the Michael Rennie one, not the new fake Brad Pitt one.


--
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Greg

Gloria P wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> >
> > At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will mourn
> > her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat or any
other
> > medium.
> >
> >
>
> And you know that...how?
>
> You and Sheldon are doing an awful lot of speaking for others lately,


I don't speak for Sheldon or anyone else, only for *myself*...


> you both seem to know how everyone else thinks, lives, and reacts.


In Jill's particular case, yes, she uses this group as a blog for the most
very initmate details of her life. Since I find much of what she puts out
there innapropriate - not to mention downright distasteful - I'll mention
away as *I* see fit. She did not say *not* to, after all...she is
apparently looking for a reaction to what she posts, why else would she post
that stuff?

:-)


> It must be comforting to be that arrogant.


I only go by what others post, Gloria...you might want to remind Jill of
that.


--
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Greg

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> D K wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> Omelet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:55:20 -0600, Omelet >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My mom's death nearly destroyed me for 3 years.
>>>>> GASP! Sounds like you need a real world support group too.
>>>> It was 6 years ago. I'm ok now.
>>>> It's just that parental deaths can affect some people more than others
>>>> depending on how close you were to them. Mom was my #1 best friend.
>>>>
>>>> It's why I can feel for Jill.
>>>>
>>>> There is no sin in having compassion.
>>> When it's someone close, the average grief process lasts 18 months.
>>> Since that's an average, some are quicker, some take longer. It's been
>>> a little over a month for Jill. Plus, it hasn't been that long since
>>> she lost her father.
>>>
>> Her "Saturday Waitin' for the Undertaker Chat?" post was evident of her
>> lack of respect for her own mother. She's a freeloading vulture.
>>
>
>
> Wow, another reason I'm glad I don't do chat. Her saying something like
> that is *cringable*...
>
> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will mourn
> her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat or any other
> medium.
>
>

I don't do chat either. That was posted here and that was the exact
subject.

-dk

D K wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > D K wrote:
> >
> >> Dan Abel wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> Omelet > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:55:20 -0600, Omelet >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My mom's death nearly destroyed me for 3 years.
> >>>>> GASP! Sounds like you need a real world support group too.
> >>>> It was 6 years ago. I'm ok now.
> >>>> It's just that parental deaths can affect some people more than
others
> >>>> depending on how close you were to them. Mom was my #1 best friend.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's why I can feel for Jill.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is no sin in having compassion.
> >>> When it's someone close, the average grief process lasts 18 months.
> >>> Since that's an average, some are quicker, some take longer. It's
been
> >>> a little over a month for Jill. Plus, it hasn't been that long since
> >>> she lost her father.
> >>>
> >> Her "Saturday Waitin' for the Undertaker Chat?" post was evident of her
> >> lack of respect for her own mother. She's a freeloading vulture.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Wow, another reason I'm glad I don't do chat. Her saying something like
> > that is *cringable*...
> >
> > At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will mourn
> > her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat or any
other
> > medium.
> >
> >
>
> I don't do chat either. That was posted here and that was the exact
> subject.


Y-I-K-E-S


--
Best
Greg

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 09:42:37a, Omelet told us...
>
> > In article 7>,
> > Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed 31 Dec 2008 09:12:37p, Nancy Young told us...
> >>
> >> > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> At least we have the consolation that when Jill croaks no one will
> >> >> mourn her - let alone notice her demise enough to mention it in chat
> >> >> or any other medium.
> >> >
> >> > I will.
> >> >
> >> > nancy
> >> >
> >>
> >> I will, too, Nancy. I have always like Jill and would definitely miss
> >> her. I think Jill and I have always had a mutual understanding of each
> >> other. I can't say the same for a lot of people here. OTOH, I can say
> >> it for a lot of other posters here.
> >
> > Overall, Jill is good people. :-)
> > So is Lucas.
> >
> > Greg is proving himself not to be more and more.
> >
> > Compassion is how I tend to judge people. The more the better.
>
> And a good measurement.

Thank you.
--
Peace! Om

"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"Gregory Morrow" > wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:27:59 -0000, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> > > Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > >> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get
> > >> you to vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
> > >
> > > Well, since cybercat is one of my favourite people I suppose I ought to
> add
> > > you along with blake)
> >
> > i'm not following. add him to me in terms of what?
>
>
> Just call me "Klaatu", blake...
>
> ;-p
>
>
> ===>>> the Michael Rennie one, not the new fake Brad Pitt one.

It's Keanu Reeves, not Brad Pit.

The dude from "Matrix".
--
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"Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them humanity cannot survive." -- Dalai Lama

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:38:12 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>> The reason that one comes to mind is I
>> went to the Cadillac Palace and saw Dirty Dancing just this last
>> Monday and even though the show would blow away the one she saw nobody
>> cares! I'll bet you don't even care what I wore.
>
>Lou, some of us do care. Please don't tease, tell us what you wore. Was it
>the shirt with the sequins?

Underwear, a long wool coat, and a Stetson hat.

Lou

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:10:53 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>> My music folder is 215 gigs and I've got another 10 gigs than needs to
>> be sorted and moved over.
>
>
>Gads, I feel *old*...my computer is almost 8 years old and has s 20 gig HD,
>14.5 gigs of which are free...I'm glad I'm not into this new fad of
>downloading music from the intranets - kids these days...!!!

Mine is about 4 years old with a 60 gig drive but I have a usb 400 gig
for storage.

>
>=======>>> will soon be shopping for new computer...

They're pretty cheap these days. Louise got a new laptop last year
and it was about $600 and it's fast as hell. We don't even own a
desktop.

Lou

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:36:34 -0000, Ophelia wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 23:27:59 -0000, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>> Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>>> Since cybercat and I are now on decent terms my next goal is to get
>>>> you to vote *Republican*, blake...are ya *ready*...!!!???
>>>
>>> Well, since cybercat is one of my favourite people I suppose I ought
>>> to add you along with blake)
>>
>> i'm not following. add him to me in terms of what?
>
> Well, you are one my fave list too)

wello.k., then. carry on.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:39:35 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> > You're supposed to move on and get your own life when you can support
>> > yourself. Most people gather friends and wisdom over time and aren't
>> > so dependent on their parents that they are "destroyed" for 3 years.
>> > My parents are both alive but older. When they die they can be PROUD
>> > that I'm not financially or emotionally dependent on either of them.
>
>> 'scuse me, but I'm NOT financially dependent on my father! It's the
>> other way around. He lives with ME.
>>
>> I have a 4 year college degree, a 21 year career with a decent income
>> and only 3 years left on my morgage.
>>
>> So please stuff your assumptions in the nearest convenient orifice.
>>
>> There is no sin in being friends with your parents.
>
>I agree with that. I've seen a lot of people who spend a lot of time
>with their parents and consult them often, because they value their
>advice.

My father has given me much good advice even as recently as early
December.
>
>> I pity those that
>> are not.
>
>I don't. Sometimes people grow up in ways that diverge from their
>parents. They still have things in common, and the memories, but they
>don't always agree on things that are pretty major. They are still
>family, but maybe "friends" isn't the right concept here.

Well said. I typed up a response to OM and it sounded snarky so I
didn't send it. I have a very good relationship with all my family.
I've been through a few pretty big losses and 3 years of being
"destroyed" isn't normal.

Lou

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 19:04:10 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:43:38 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:45:59 -0800 (PST), Sheldon >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I was going to get a small standing rib roast. ?All of the talk about them
>>>> >set off a craving! ?But I got tied up with other stuff and forgot to buy one
>>>> >when I was in town last week. ?So I'll just thaw the leftover half of the
>>>> >cornish game hen from 12/25. ?I do have some nice cheese and crackers to
>>>> >snack on, too. ?Not a very exciting meal, but it will do
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like you've got a big group of friends to hang with. ?
>>>
>>>Quality is better than quantity... I'm positive Jill's cat Persia is
>>>far better company than the likes of you, and infinitely better
>>>looking... and I've no doubt cleaner and smells sweeter.
>>
>> OK. So you're all up on feline companionship. Know much about
>> humans?
>>
>> Lou
>
>cats tell lousy jokes. they all seem to be mouse-related.

(shrug) I dunno. The best pussy jokes I've ever heard were told by a
cat.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
I have a very good relationship with all my family.
> I've been through a few pretty big losses and 3 years of being
> "destroyed" isn't normal.
>
> Lou

No, it isn't normal. And normal, mentally healthy adult children all
recognize that their parents aren't immortal and they'll someday have to
deal with the issues surrounding their passing.

Of course an unexpected death is a little different blow.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:55:53 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:52:04 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>
>> went on and on. But she got her attention. There was also the Elton
>> John concert she went to that she needed to talk about what she was
>> going to wear for weeks before hand and we even had to listen to how
>> much the friggin tickets cost. The reason that one comes to mind is I
>> went to the Cadillac Palace and saw Dirty Dancing just this last
>> Monday and even though the show would blow away the one she saw nobody
>> cares! I'll bet you don't even care what I wore.
>
>We just want to know if you wore underwear when you posted the above.

That's my secret.

>
>"Dirty Dancing" brings back some fond memories. My daughter and I used
>to watch that over and over. She was just a little one, so she didn't
>understand half the plot, but she loved the music and dancing. I bought
>the DVD for her a few years back, and we watched it again. After it was
>over, she turned to me and commented that she had never understand
>several of the things in that movie, but now she did.

Even though I've seen the movie several times it was still a bit hard
to follow some parts of the musical. It's been awhile since I've been
to the theater and I was amazed at the special effects. Your daughter
would most likely have loved it. It was almost 3 hours long and it
went by in a snap. The Cadillac Palace is a beautiful place also.
One of the perks of living in a big city.

http://www.cadillac-palace.com/?gcli...FRNOagod7nd_Cw

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:51:55 -0500, D K >
wrote:

>Gregory Morrow wrote:

>> Just fer grins I emailed some of the above posts in this exchange to some
>> friends (non - rfc, they are not on Usenet). Even though they don't know
>> who Jill is one commented, "*Half* of a *frozen* left - over Cornish
>> hen...how pathetic!".
>>
>> Lol...
>>
>>
>
>I caught that, too.
>
>-dk

It's called poor me, poor me, pour me another one.

Lou

"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>>Lou, some of us do care. Please don't tease, tell us what you wore. Was it
>>the shirt with the sequins?
>
> Underwear, a long wool coat, and a Stetson hat.
>
> Lou

Damn, hope you have photos!

On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:59:48 -0600, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>Well said. I typed up a response to OM and it sounded snarky so I
>didn't send it. I have a very good relationship with all my family.

I think you have to put it into perspective. Both of my husband's
parents died within 3 years, by the time he was 22. He was pretty
hard hit by his mom's death - when he was 19. He was amazed his
brothers and sisters didn't take it like he did but then he realized
they had their own families to ease them through the grief and he
didn't. When you lose a parent, it's good to have a spouse and
children to provide an outward focus. I know having my own family
helped me with my mom's death.

>I've been through a few pretty big losses and 3 years of being
>"destroyed" isn't normal.

Shoot. I had a *dog* whose name I couldn't mention for 5 years after
her death without getting all misty eyed. If I got that way over an
animal, you can just imagine how I am about people.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Lou Decruss wrote:

> You're supposed to move on and get your own life when you can support
> yourself. Most people gather friends and wisdom over time and aren't
> so dependent on their parents that they are "destroyed" for 3 years.
> My parents are both alive but older. When they die they can be PROUD
> that I'm not financially or emotionally dependent on either of them.

Having lost both my parents and a few friends, I have to say that losing
friends was worse. My father was 77 when he died and he had had cancer
for 5 years, so I had time to accept it. My mother was 83 when she died
and had so many health problems that it was a wonder that she had lived
as long as she had. Don't get me wrong. I miss them, nut they had lived
good full lives and I think that I did well enough in life that they
should be proud of me. Nut losing friends suddenly has always been hard
on me. I lost my best friend in a motorcycle accident when I was 15 and
I wasn't able to talk about it for years. I finally made it down to
visit his grave 40 years later. My wife's friend died suddenly at the
age of 58. They had been friends since they were 3.

I should add that I am talking about aged parents. When our parents die
when we are in our 40s and 50s we should have gathered enough life
experience to realize that it is part of the cycle of life and that
sometimes death is inevitable. I just can't imagine what it would be
like to lose a child.

sf wrote:

> Shoot. I had a *dog* whose name I couldn't mention for 5 years after
> her death without getting all misty eyed. If I got that way over an
> animal, you can just imagine how I am about people.


Same here. Annie, my cat, was 17 when she died and I had her cremated.
They called me 2 days later to tell me her ashes were ready. That hit
me hard. It took 3 weeks before my step-father was ready. It happened so
fast.

Animals are dependent upon us, and we look at them as if they are
children. It took me a few years before I could look at her photographs.
I would dress Annie in costume for holidays; Valentine's Day, Cinco de
Mayo, 4th of July, etc. The only thing she did not like, was her
baseball cap from the Atlanta Braves. She was a helluva cat.

Becca

On Sat 03 Jan 2009 03:58:00p, sf told us...

> On Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:59:48 -0600, Lou Decruss
> > wrote:
>
>>Well said. I typed up a response to OM and it sounded snarky so I
>>didn't send it. I have a very good relationship with all my family.
>
> I think you have to put it into perspective. Both of my husband's
> parents died within 3 years, by the time he was 22. He was pretty
> hard hit by his mom's death - when he was 19. He was amazed his
> brothers and sisters didn't take it like he did but then he realized
> they had their own families to ease them through the grief and he
> didn't. When you lose a parent, it's good to have a spouse and
> children to provide an outward focus. I know having my own family
> helped me with my mom's death.
>
>>I've been through a few pretty big losses and 3 years of being
>>"destroyed" isn't normal.
>
> Shoot. I had a *dog* whose name I couldn't mention for 5 years after
> her death without getting all misty eyed. If I got that way over an
> animal, you can just imagine how I am about people.
>
>

And I think the word "destroyed" is very subjective. My mother died in
1998. The first several years were certainly very difficult for me. Even
now I have my moments. Many of us carry "false" guilt about things over
which we had no control, but it makes it no less hurtful regarding their
loss.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
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In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> > You're supposed to move on and get your own life when you can support
> > yourself. Most people gather friends and wisdom over time and aren't
> > so dependent on their parents that they are "destroyed" for 3 years.
> > My parents are both alive but older. When they die they can be PROUD
> > that I'm not financially or emotionally dependent on either of them.
>
> Having lost both my parents

> I should add that I am talking about aged parents.

My mother died when I was 22. She wasn't that old, but I had moved out
long ago, at 18 to go to college, and a few months before she died for
good. I was married. I think it was much harder for my brother. He
was still in high school and still living at home when she died. He was
no where close to marriage and a family of his own.


> I just can't imagine what it would be
> like to lose a child.

It ain't a pretty picture.

sf mentioned something that I think is important. It depends on the
circumstances. I think both of you (Lou and Dave) have children. It's
a lot different when your parents die and you have children. You can
see that things are continuing. It's that old cycle of life, you are
born and you die. But your children live on. For those whose parents
die when they have no children and aren't likely to have children, I
think it is a lot harder.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dave Smith > wrote in news:495ff3c0
:


>
> I should add that I am talking about aged parents. When our parents die
> when we are in our 40s and 50s we should have gathered enough life
> experience to realize that it is part of the cycle of life and that
> sometimes death is inevitable.

I was 18 when my mother died (she had a long history of ill health, in and
out of hospital all my life, but her death was not expected) and 28 when my
father died (he had been ill and was in hospital, but was better and
supposed to be coming home, so again not expected).

The extra years probably helped me to deal with my dad's death a little
better, but it was still very difficult. One of the things that was quite
hard was unique to it being a second parent's death - there was no longer
anyone who would refer to me as their child - I was an "orphan".

And it is sometimes the little things that really strike at your centre -
Dad died on his birthday, which really bugged me for some reason. And for
both my sister and me - Dad had always been the one who organised funerals.
My BIL stepped in to do that, which was a great help.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia