SteveB wrote:
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
> to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve
>
>
Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
machine regardless of its contents.

On Jan 1, 2:58�pm, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:
> They WILL run without being empty. �But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
> to run? �That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. �You might as well mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.

The answer couldn't be simpler... you're cheap... buy more coffee
cups, dinner plates, etc.... if you have more than what can fit into
your dishwasher your problem is solved.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:32 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
wrote:

>They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
>footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
>to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
>cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
>AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
>with her makeup.
>
>Please explain if you know the answer.
>
>Steve
>
It has nothing to do with logic or critical thinking. Every
husband should learn that women often decide (is that
the right word?) not only that something needs (MUST!)
be done, but that there is only one proper way to do it.
This is so because her mother, grandmother, college
roommate/sorority sister, next-door neighbor, or
Rachel Ray did it this way.

There is no rebuttal.

OBFOOD: Watched Robin Miller yesterday. While she
was going into *very* controlled orgasms tasting the
fruits of her labor, I was reminded of the old punch
line "Beige. I think we'll paint the ceiling beige..."

Alex

"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
> full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated
> coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> mess with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve
>
Take a whole fish, season accordingly, wrap in several layers of foil to
prevent seepage from the dishwasher liquid plop it on the top rack. Run
your half load.......or should I say full load - half fish, half dish.
When she bitches tell her you're cooking dinner.
-ginny (snarky grin)

George wrote:
> SteveB wrote:
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
>> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all
>> the important pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as
>> well mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>> Steve
>>
> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
> machine regardless of its contents.
Depends upon the make and model of the dishwasher, ours has a control
panel like unto a 747 cockpit. Do anything from rinse and hold to heavy
duty pots and pans.

As far as the lady of the house loading it I prohibit either she or our
daughter from running the machine at all. They will nest spoons and
forks together and load the damned thing so full nothing gets clean.
Can't seem to break them of the habit so I load it and run and then
empty it.

Of course it may be a cabal among the women of my family to get me to
stay in the kitchen longer but at least I'm happy with it.

They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.

AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
with her makeup.

Please explain if you know the answer.

Steve

"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
> full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated
> coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> mess with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve
In the name of all that's holy and for the sake of whirled peas .... JUST
ACCEPT IT. And don't even be thinking about touching her sewing scissors
(ask the man iwho used to be in my life who once did ... he speaketh in a
higher octave now).

Sweetheart, some things just ARE. Do not question, Grasshopper.

TammyM

"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
> full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated
> coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> mess with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>

*sigh*

Water conservation.

"George" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
>> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST
>> be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my
>> insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important
>> pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>> mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>> Steve
> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
> machine regardless of its contents.

Steve said he was 60 or something, right? Why does he sound about 17 to me.

SteveB wrote:
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
> to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.

Maybe she is trying to be green. When you run a cycle there are
mechanisms to control the heat and amount of water used in the cycle,
and they use the same amount of water and energy to run a half load as
they do for a full load. Running it with partial loads is a waste of
energy and detergent.

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:32 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
wrote:

>They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
>footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
>to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
>cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
>AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
>with her makeup.
>
>Please explain if you know the answer.
>
I dunno. I'm in your camp. I run it when I need to and don't care if
it's completely full or not. Hubby is in the other camp.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Jan 1, 9:58*am, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:
> They WILL run without being empty. *But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
> to run? *That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. *You might as well mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve

I'm a nut for efficiency but lately have been relaxing a little and
not packing the dishwasher so tight and running the machine more
often. It's just nicer that way.

Another annoying thing chicks like to do is wash the dishes before
placing it in the washer - how nutty is that? But let's face the facts
- your main problem isn't really about getting a full load in the DW
before you can run the cycle, is it?

I though so... :-)

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:47:08 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
...
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
>> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
>> full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated
>> coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>> mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>
>*sigh*
>
>Water conservation.
>
It takes what... 2 or 3 tablespoons of water to run a dishwasher?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 12:36:29p, George Shirley told us...

> George wrote:
>> SteveB wrote:
>>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
>>> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all
>>> the important pots.
>>>
>>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as
>>> well mess with her makeup.
>>>
>>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
>> machine regardless of its contents.
> Depends upon the make and model of the dishwasher, ours has a control
> panel like unto a 747 cockpit. Do anything from rinse and hold to heavy
> duty pots and pans.
>
> As far as the lady of the house loading it I prohibit either she or our
> daughter from running the machine at all. They will nest spoons and
> forks together and load the damned thing so full nothing gets clean.
> Can't seem to break them of the habit so I load it and run and then
> empty it.

I'm with you on that, George. No one loads or runs the dishwasher but me.
David doesn't have a clue as to how to properly load it. Sometimes I have
very crownded loads, but if loaded properly everything gets clean. He
does, however, unload it and put everything it is *proper* place.


> Of course it may be a cabal among the women of my family to get me to
> stay in the kitchen longer but at least I'm happy with it.
>



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On Thu 01 Jan 2009 12:07:39p, George told us...

> SteveB wrote:
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
>> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the
>> important pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>> mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
> machine regardless of its contents.
>

Convenience. I don't usually run partial loads, but I refuse to wash
anything by hand if possible. If there are things I've used that I need
before I have a full load, then I run it anyway.

--
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SteveB wrote:
>
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
> to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve

Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
understanding how a thermostat works...

On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:31:17 -0600, Chemiker
> wrote:

snippage

>OBFOOD: Watched Robin Miller yesterday. While she
>was going into *very* controlled orgasms tasting the
>fruits of her labor, I was reminded of the old punch
>line "Beige. I think we'll paint the ceiling beige..."
>
>Alex

Too funny. I remember that joke.

koko off to clean my monitor.

--

There is no love more sincere than the love of food
George Bernard Shaw
www.kokoscorner.typepad.com
updated 12/31

cybercat wrote:
>
> "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote in message
> ...
> > They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
> > of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
> > full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated
> > coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
> >
> > AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> > mess with her makeup.
> >
> > Please explain if you know the answer.
> >
>
> *sigh*
>
> Water conservation.

Yes, women are good at retaining water...

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:10:46p, Pete C. told us...

>
> SteveB wrote:
>>
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
>> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the
>> important pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>> mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> understanding how a thermostat works...
>

What I just love to hear people (women or men) say is that they're going to
"turn *up* the air conditioner" to make it cooler, or conversely, "turn
*down* the air conditioner" to make it warmer.


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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 12:36:29p, George Shirley told us...
>
>> George wrote:
>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>>>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>>>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
>>>> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all
>>>> the important pots.
>>>>
>>>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as
>>>> well mess with her makeup.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
>>> machine regardless of its contents.
>> Depends upon the make and model of the dishwasher, ours has a control
>> panel like unto a 747 cockpit. Do anything from rinse and hold to heavy
>> duty pots and pans.
>>
>> As far as the lady of the house loading it I prohibit either she or our
>> daughter from running the machine at all. They will nest spoons and
>> forks together and load the damned thing so full nothing gets clean.
>> Can't seem to break them of the habit so I load it and run and then
>> empty it.
>
> I'm with you on that, George. No one loads or runs the dishwasher but me.
> David doesn't have a clue as to how to properly load it. Sometimes I have
> very crownded loads, but if loaded properly everything gets clean. He
> does, however, unload it and put everything it is *proper* place.
Therein lies the problem with DW unloading the thing. She is both
dyslexic and ADD and has difficulties remembering where things go. She
still trys to empty it but I don't like it when she does. I have to hunt
down the items she put away when I need them.
>
>
>> Of course it may be a cabal among the women of my family to get me to
>> stay in the kitchen longer but at least I'm happy with it.
>>
>
>
>

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:10:46p, Pete C. told us...
>
> >
> > SteveB wrote:
> >>
> >> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
> >> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
> >> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm
> >> out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the
> >> important pots.
> >>
> >> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> >> mess with her makeup.
> >>
> >> Please explain if you know the answer.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> > understanding how a thermostat works...
> >
>
> What I just love to hear people (women or men) say is that they're going to
> "turn *up* the air conditioner" to make it cooler, or conversely, "turn
> *down* the air conditioner" to make it warmer.

Yes, and of course other than the more sophisticated multi stage or
inverter drive systems, it's either on or off - simple duty cycle
control.

Me, I just adjust the thermostat setpoint.

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:20:44p, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 12:36:29p, George Shirley told us...
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the
>>>>> point of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the
>>>>> dishwasher MUST be full to run? That means by the time it IS run,
>>>>> I'm out of my insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost
>>>>> all the important pots.
>>>>>
>>>>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as
>>>>> well mess with her makeup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>> Waste, it takes the same amount of heated water and energy to run the
>>>> machine regardless of its contents.
>>> Depends upon the make and model of the dishwasher, ours has a control
>>> panel like unto a 747 cockpit. Do anything from rinse and hold to
>>> heavy duty pots and pans.
>>>
>>> As far as the lady of the house loading it I prohibit either she or
>>> our daughter from running the machine at all. They will nest spoons
>>> and forks together and load the damned thing so full nothing gets
>>> clean. Can't seem to break them of the habit so I load it and run and
>>> then empty it.
>>
>> I'm with you on that, George. No one loads or runs the dishwasher but
>> me. David doesn't have a clue as to how to properly load it.
>> Sometimes I have very crownded loads, but if loaded properly everything
>> gets clean. He does, however, unload it and put everything it is
>> *proper* place.

> Therein lies the problem with DW unloading the thing. She is both
> dyslexic and ADD and has difficulties remembering where things go. She
> still trys to empty it but I don't like it when she does. I have to hunt
> down the items she put away when I need them.

David learned where 99% of things go (for each kitchen we've had). He has
also learned to leave that remaining 1% out on the counter so they don't
end up where they don't belong. The good thing is that he has a terrific
memory, so if something is accidentally put where it's not supposed to be,
all I need to do is ask where he put it.

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"Pete C." > wrote in message
>
> Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> understanding how a thermostat works...

You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its a
friggin switch, not a throttle.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >
> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> > understanding how a thermostat works...
>
> You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its a
> friggin switch, not a throttle.

Yes, as well as the "turn it down in the summer so you don't waste
energy", and similar insanity. Set heat set point at 68, cool set point
at 78 and assuming an auto changeover thermostat, never touch them
again.

Of course in the odd case that you have a sophisticated multistage
system, it may actually be a "throttle", but even then, the thermostat
will have the smarts to track the rate of change and throttle the system
appropriately.

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:52:06p, Pete C. told us...

>
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >
>> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
>> > understanding how a thermostat works...
>>
>> You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its a
>> friggin switch, not a throttle.
>
> Yes, as well as the "turn it down in the summer so you don't waste
> energy", and similar insanity. Set heat set point at 68, cool set point
> at 78 and assuming an auto changeover thermostat, never touch them
> again.

Recognizing of course, that most people do not have changeover thermostats.
I don't know what the parameters are, but I wouldn't want one unless I
could keep the temperature within 1 degree, one way or the other. Ten
degrees would be totally unacceptable.

> Of course in the odd case that you have a sophisticated multistage
> system, it may actually be a "throttle", but even then, the thermostat
> will have the smarts to track the rate of change and throttle the system
> appropriately.

I would think it would indeed be an odd case. I would think that very few
people have such systems in their home.



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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:52:06p, Pete C. told us...
>
> >
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >> >
> >> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> >> > understanding how a thermostat works...
> >>
> >> You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its a
> >> friggin switch, not a throttle.
> >
> > Yes, as well as the "turn it down in the summer so you don't waste
> > energy", and similar insanity. Set heat set point at 68, cool set point
> > at 78 and assuming an auto changeover thermostat, never touch them
> > again.
>
> Recognizing of course, that most people do not have changeover thermostats.
> I don't know what the parameters are, but I wouldn't want one unless I
> could keep the temperature within 1 degree, one way or the other. Ten
> degrees would be totally unacceptable.

Well, those are the "normal" numbers that I gave. I'm a cheap *******,
so heat is set to 65 and cool is set to 80 here If you've got money
to burn, then by all means hold it to a degree or two. They say 2
degrees is the minimum increment that humans can detect.

>
> > Of course in the odd case that you have a sophisticated multistage
> > system, it may actually be a "throttle", but even then, the thermostat
> > will have the smarts to track the rate of change and throttle the system
> > appropriately.
>
> I would think it would indeed be an odd case. I would think that very few
> people have such systems in their home.
>

Two stage systems are somewhat common, full variable systems will become
more common as efficiency becomes more of a concern.

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 05:00:02p, Pete C. told us...

>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 03:52:06p, Pete C. told us...
>>
>> >
>> > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Pete C." > wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women
>> >> > (not) understanding how a thermostat works...
>> >>
>> >> You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its
>> >> a friggin switch, not a throttle.
>> >
>> > Yes, as well as the "turn it down in the summer so you don't waste
>> > energy", and similar insanity. Set heat set point at 68, cool set
>> > point at 78 and assuming an auto changeover thermostat, never touch
>> > them again.
>>
>> Recognizing of course, that most people do not have changeover
>> thermostats. I don't know what the parameters are, but I wouldn't want
>> one unless I could keep the temperature within 1 degree, one way or the
>> other. Ten degrees would be totally unacceptable.
>
> Well, those are the "normal" numbers that I gave. I'm a cheap *******,
> so heat is set to 65 and cool is set to 80 here If you've got money
> to burn, then by all means hold it to a degree or two. They say 2
> degrees is the minimum increment that humans can detect.

Under most conditions we keep the house at 75° year 'round. If we're doing
any heavy cleaning or other activity, we drop it to 72-73°. On the rare
occasion when I feel it's chilly I set it to 77°. I can definitely tell a
2 degree difference, sometimes a 1 degree difference, depending on the
circumstances.


>> > Of course in the odd case that you have a sophisticated multistage
>> > system, it may actually be a "throttle", but even then, the
>> > thermostat will have the smarts to track the rate of change and
>> > throttle the system appropriately.
>>
>> I would think it would indeed be an odd case. I would think that very
>> few people have such systems in their home.
>>
>
> Two stage systems are somewhat common, full variable systems will become
> more common as efficiency becomes more of a concern.

Yes, I imagine you're right aboutu that.

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On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:32 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
wrote:

>They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
>footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be full
>to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
>cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
>AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well mess
>with her makeup.
>
>Please explain if you know the answer.
>
>Steve
>


Someone in the household seems to have a control problem and I am not
sure who it is. You did say that you had had attention problems. Your
wife and MIL are probably not sure that you are really aware of
everything. I admit that if I leave the kitchen I may not remember
that something there needs attention especially if I start reading a
book or doing something on the computer. Maybe not ready to burn the
house down, but the bread that I put on the counter is coming out of
the bowl. Now my husband will ask does "whatever" need attention or
should I turn the burner down? I sometimes tell him that his pot of
soup is about to boil over. That is why I wear the time around my
neck.

As far as the dishwasher is concerned, it is my job to load and start
it, my husband unloads it. If someone needs or wants something that
is in the dishwasher but not clean or in the sink, my answer is take
it out and wash it by hand. If you don't want to do that, find
something else to use. I find it hard to believe that someone can
prepare 3 meals a day for 3 people and not have a full load of dishes
each day. I you can do that, I want to know what kind of dishwasher
you have. If you can't do that, buy more dishes and cookware.

--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:18:36 -0800 (PST), dsi1 >
wrote:

>Another annoying thing chicks like to do is wash the dishes before
>placing it in the washer - how nutty is that? But let's face the facts
>- your main problem isn't really about getting a full load in the DW
>before you can run the cycle, is it?
>
>I though so... :-)

Generally speaking, washing dishes before putting them in the
dishwasher is pretty dumb... but we've found that oatmeal, in
particular, just will not come off the bowl in the dishwasher. Those
bowls always must be scrubbed out by hand. Rather than the ritual of
running a sink full of suds, washing, rinsing, drying... I scrub out
the oatmeal in cold water then put the bowl in the dishwasher.

[I'm getting tired of having the dishwasher full of clean dishes after
the run, and the daughters just pile their dirty dishes onto the
countertop. Hey gals, UNLOAD it!! (I swear I'm going to disconnect
the dishwasher sometime, tell 'em it's busted, and make 'em wash
dishes by hand twice a day. Maybe that will fix 'em. Nahh....]

Best -- Terry

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> >
> > Don't try to understand, it falls in the same category of women (not)
> > understanding how a thermostat works...
>
> You mean as in "turn it up higher so it will heat up faster"? Its a
> friggin switch, not a throttle.

My wife and I have fought this battle for decades.

Wife: I'm cold, I'm going to turn up the heat.

Me: No, the heater is already on. It won't get any hotter by turning
it up, it'll just get too hot later when you forget to turn it back down.

Wife: But I'm cold!

Our church doesn't have a building. We have a nice place that we rent
every Sunday, for the last five years.

My wife is always the first one there, and the last to leave. She has
stuff to set up and take down. So, in the winter, like now, she goes
extra early because the building is cold, and slow to heat up.

This year we had a Christmas eve service. My wife and daughter went
early, as they both had setup responsibilities. My son gave me a ride
and dropped me off right before the service. So afterwards I'm hanging
around waiting for my wife and daughter to finish, since it's too far to
walk. Finally, (they got lots of help), it's just the three of us. We
are almost ready, so I suggest to my wife that she turn off the heat
then, since we don't need to heat the hall for the three of us. So she
does. About five minutes later, my daughter suggests to my wife that
she shut off the heat. Well, it's already shut off, but the heater
doesn't realize it, and is going full blast. So the three of us wander
over to the thermostat, and my daughter asks my wife what she turned
off. She points to the fan switch. She had moved it from "auto" to
"on". My daughter points to the other switch, clearly set to "heat"
instead of "off". My daughter turns it off and then comments that the
heat is set to 85F! Now, the hall is slow to heat up, but turning the
setting to 85 clearly won't help. There were 90 people at this service.
90 people create a lot of heat, and I doubt the place even needed
heating once it was up to temperature and had 90 people in it.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

SteveB wrote:

> On Oct. 20, 2004, I suffered a traumatic brain injury. Things were
> bad for a couple of years, but now I'm much better, even to the point
> of having to relearn thing, such as people's names. I do have
> residual symptoms and limitations. During some of that time, I was a
> danger. But now, it's like I'm a young adult who has to tell Mom
> that I'm not a kid any longer.

Ah. I was wondering what was going on that you were feeling
sort of pushed around by your wife and your MIL. Sorry if I
made a bad choice of words. Seemed like I was missing
something.

I'm sorry whatever it is happened to you. I'm sure it hasn't been
fun for any of you.

As far as the dishwasher goes, I try to run it when it is full.
But, if the glasses I use are all dirty, or there aren't any
forks left ... whatever ... I run the dishwasher regardless of
how full it is. That's just my rule. As Queen.

nancy

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 08:59:02p, Nancy Young told us...

> SteveB wrote:
>
>> On Oct. 20, 2004, I suffered a traumatic brain injury. Things were
>> bad for a couple of years, but now I'm much better, even to the point
>> of having to relearn thing, such as people's names. I do have
>> residual symptoms and limitations. During some of that time, I was a
>> danger. But now, it's like I'm a young adult who has to tell Mom
>> that I'm not a kid any longer.
>
> Ah. I was wondering what was going on that you were feeling
> sort of pushed around by your wife and your MIL. Sorry if I
> made a bad choice of words. Seemed like I was missing
> something.
>
> I'm sorry whatever it is happened to you. I'm sure it hasn't been
> fun for any of you.
>
> As far as the dishwasher goes, I try to run it when it is full.
> But, if the glasses I use are all dirty, or there aren't any
> forks left ... whatever ... I run the dishwasher regardless of
> how full it is. That's just my rule. As Queen.
>
> nancy

Hey, when did that happen? I thought you were a Lady In Waiting or a
Princess or something...

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 08:59:02p, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> SteveB wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct. 20, 2004, I suffered a traumatic brain injury. Things were
>>> bad for a couple of years, but now I'm much better, even to the
>>> point of having to relearn thing, such as people's names. I do have
>>> residual symptoms and limitations. During some of that time, I was
>>> a danger. But now, it's like I'm a young adult who has to tell Mom
>>> that I'm not a kid any longer.
>>
>> Ah. I was wondering what was going on that you were feeling
>> sort of pushed around by your wife and your MIL. Sorry if I
>> made a bad choice of words. Seemed like I was missing
>> something.
>>
>> I'm sorry whatever it is happened to you. I'm sure it hasn't been
>> fun for any of you.
>>
>> As far as the dishwasher goes, I try to run it when it is full.
>> But, if the glasses I use are all dirty, or there aren't any
>> forks left ... whatever ... I run the dishwasher regardless of
>> how full it is. That's just my rule. As Queen.

> Hey, when did that happen? I thought you were a Lady In Waiting or a
> Princess or something...

Oh, no ... between Lady (moi??) and Waiting (something I don't do),
that's not me. My mother says I must have been a Princess in a
former life, so I can understand the confusion.

Queen it is. I have spoken.

nancy

On Thu 01 Jan 2009 09:11:33p, Nancy Young told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 08:59:02p, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> SteveB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct. 20, 2004, I suffered a traumatic brain injury. Things were
>>>> bad for a couple of years, but now I'm much better, even to the
>>>> point of having to relearn thing, such as people's names. I do have
>>>> residual symptoms and limitations. During some of that time, I was
>>>> a danger. But now, it's like I'm a young adult who has to tell Mom
>>>> that I'm not a kid any longer.
>>>
>>> Ah. I was wondering what was going on that you were feeling
>>> sort of pushed around by your wife and your MIL. Sorry if I
>>> made a bad choice of words. Seemed like I was missing
>>> something.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry whatever it is happened to you. I'm sure it hasn't been
>>> fun for any of you.
>>>
>>> As far as the dishwasher goes, I try to run it when it is full.
>>> But, if the glasses I use are all dirty, or there aren't any
>>> forks left ... whatever ... I run the dishwasher regardless of
>>> how full it is. That's just my rule. As Queen.
>
>> Hey, when did that happen? I thought you were a Lady In Waiting or a
>> Princess or something...
>
> Oh, no ... between Lady (moi??) and Waiting (something I don't do),
> that's not me. My mother says I must have been a Princess in a
> former life, so I can understand the confusion.
>
> Queen it is. I have spoken.
>
> nancy
>

Yes M'am. <while walking away backwards, slightly bowed>

--
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"cybercat" > wrote

> Steve said he was 60 or something, right? Why does he sound about 17 to
> me.

I have a few words for you, but those would be the words of a 17 year old.

So, I'll use a word that a 60 year old man would use.

Adieu.

Steve

"Chemiker" > wrote

> It has nothing to do with logic or critical thinking. Every
> husband should learn that women often decide (is that
> the right word?) not only that something needs (MUST!)
> be done, but that there is only one proper way to do it.
> This is so because her mother, grandmother, college
> roommate/sorority sister, next-door neighbor, or
> Rachel Ray did it this way.
>
> There is no rebuttal.

Oprah did a thing on germs on kitchen counter tops. And germs in lemons at
restaurants. Now my wife is anal about anything that touches the countertop
or the cutting board and lemons when we go out to eat. And yet, she still
will defrost chicken in the sink for twelve hours on a summer day. Wish
Oprah would have a program on food safety.

Steve

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> SteveB wrote:
>> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
>> of footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST
>> be full to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my
>> insulated coffee cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important
>> pots.
>>
>> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>> mess with her makeup.
>>
>> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Maybe she is trying to be green. When you run a cycle there are mechanisms
> to control the heat and amount of water used in the cycle, and they use
> the same amount of water and energy to run a half load as they do for a
> full load. Running it with partial loads is a waste of energy and
> detergent.

And I expend four times that much energy, soap and water when I have to pull
an insulated mug out of the dishwasher two or three days to wash one at a
time in the sink. The woman takes forty minute showers, and when we did the
remodel to include her mom's casita onto our house, she had ANOTHER 50
gallon water heater added. Conservation, shmonservation.

Steve

Steve

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 1, 9:58 am, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas> wrote:
> They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point of
> footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
> full
> to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
> cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>
> AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
> mess
> with her makeup.
>
> Please explain if you know the answer.
>
> Steve

I'm a nut for efficiency but lately have been relaxing a little and
not packing the dishwasher so tight and running the machine more
often. It's just nicer that way.

Another annoying thing chicks like to do is wash the dishes before
placing it in the washer - how nutty is that? But let's face the facts
- your main problem isn't really about getting a full load in the DW
before you can run the cycle, is it?

I though so... :-)

Hold your phone calls, folks. We have a winner.

ding, ding, ding

Steve ;-)

"The Cook" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:58:32 -0800, "SteveB" <toquerville@zionvistas>
> wrote:
>
>>They WILL run without being empty. But SOME PEOPLE insist (to the point
>>of
>>footstomping and sign making "dirty/clean") that the dishwasher MUST be
>>full
>>to run? That means by the time it IS run, I'm out of my insulated coffee
>>cups, most dinner plates, and almost all the important pots.
>>
>>AND DON'T DARE TOUCH THAT DIAL AND RUN IT HALF FULL. You might as well
>>mess
>>with her makeup.
>>
>>Please explain if you know the answer.
>>
>>Steve
>>
>
>
> Someone in the household seems to have a control problem and I am not
> sure who it is. You did say that you had had attention problems. Your
> wife and MIL are probably not sure that you are really aware of
> everything. I admit that if I leave the kitchen I may not remember
> that something there needs attention especially if I start reading a
> book or doing something on the computer. Maybe not ready to burn the
> house down, but the bread that I put on the counter is coming out of
> the bowl. Now my husband will ask does "whatever" need attention or
> should I turn the burner down? I sometimes tell him that his pot of
> soup is about to boil over. That is why I wear the time around my
> neck.
>
> As far as the dishwasher is concerned, it is my job to load and start
> it, my husband unloads it. If someone needs or wants something that
> is in the dishwasher but not clean or in the sink, my answer is take
> it out and wash it by hand. If you don't want to do that, find
> something else to use. I find it hard to believe that someone can
> prepare 3 meals a day for 3 people and not have a full load of dishes
> each day. I you can do that, I want to know what kind of dishwasher
> you have. If you can't do that, buy more dishes and cookware.
>
> --
> Susan N.

On Oct. 20, 2004, I suffered a traumatic brain injury. Things were bad for
a couple of years, but now I'm much better, even to the point of having to
relearn thing, such as people's names. I do have residual symptoms and
limitations. During some of that time, I was a danger. But now, it's like
I'm a young adult who has to tell Mom that I'm not a kid any longer.

Our schedule vacillates wildly around business and travel. At times when we
are home, yes, the dishwasher gets run very often. On the other hand, when
we are sporadic, what's the sense of leaving dirty dishes in there for a
week when she won't leave a dirty glass on the counter top overnight?

I have a good life and a good wife. Sometimes, though, I get puzzled.

Steve

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 09:11:33p, Nancy Young told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 01 Jan 2009 08:59:02p, Nancy Young told us...

>>>> forks left ... whatever ... I run the dishwasher regardless of
>>>> how full it is. That's just my rule. As Queen.
>>
>>> Hey, when did that happen? I thought you were a Lady In Waiting or
>>> a Princess or something...
>>
>> Oh, no ... between Lady (moi??) and Waiting (something I don't do),
>> that's not me. My mother says I must have been a Princess in a
>> former life, so I can understand the confusion.
>>
>> Queen it is. I have spoken.

> Yes M'am. <while walking away backwards, slightly bowed>

Bowing is good. No scraping. (laugh)

nancy