Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?

nb

On Sat 10 Jan 2009 07:37:04p, notbob told us...

> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb
>

PetsMart has chewable treats that help with bad breath. He probably needs
his teeth cleaned.

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> He probably needs
> his teeth cleaned.

That's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mom's dog groomer is not from
another planet or one of the X-men, Mistress of the Dog Mouth.

nb

On Sat 10 Jan 2009 07:58:12p, notbob told us...

> On 2009-01-11, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>
>
>> He probably needs
>> his teeth cleaned.
>
> That's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mom's dog groomer is not from
> another planet or one of the X-men, Mistress of the Dog Mouth.
>
> nb
>


Some groomers will do this, but often it's done at the vet's office.

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notbob wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb


Maybe give him a carrot to munch on? (BTW, I don't know how cold it is
where you live, but when you let him out make sure he's not finding
poopsicles.)

Bob

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall,
> jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?

No quick fixes.
Take him to the vet for a deep tooth-cleaning, perhaps removal of bad rotten
teeth, and afterwards make sure he eats a good healthy diet and gets regular
toothbrushing.
As my vet once said, "How would *your* breath smell if you didn't brush your
teeth in 20 years?"
Yeah. It's like that.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2009-01-11, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>
>
> > He probably needs
> > his teeth cleaned.
>
> That's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mom's dog groomer is not from
> another planet or one of the X-men, Mistress of the Dog Mouth.

Do you own your own home and have enough equity to get a loan against
it? I don't know if it's the type of dog or what, but my sister really
dreads the teeth cleaning. It's often close to US$1000. It takes a
whole day. The vet carried the dog out to her van last time (70
pounds). I saw the teeth and the Xrays. 19 teeth. That's how many he
pulled.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

notbob wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb


Brush his teeth or feed him parsley?

gloria p

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-01-11, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>He probably needs
>>his teeth cleaned.
>
>
> That's pretty much what I'm looking for. Mom's dog groomer is not from
> another planet or one of the X-men, Mistress of the Dog Mouth.

I haven't found anything that takes tartar off better than raw beef bones.

Other people swear by "Greenies", which is a hard chew bone impregnated
with chlorophyl and mint (I think) which is supposed to help. I don't
give them as I have heard a couple of reports of dogs managing to break
off and swallow a large enough chunk to cause an obstruction in the bowel.

If you have a vet tech training school near you, or a veterinary
university, they may be able to direct you to reduced cost dental care
for your dog, or may even provide it themselves, if you don't mind
letting students (supervised) do the cleaning.

On Jan 10, 6:37*pm, notbob > wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. *Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. *Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb

Parsley...

On Jan 10, 6:37*pm, notbob > wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. *Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. *Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb
Nce timing

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 02:37:04 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
>got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
>nb

I feel your pain. Our little dachshund
(http://i41.tinypic.com/xnta53.jpg) has some of the foulest breath
ever. I mean he can wake you up from a sound sleep with one yawn.

The vet gave us some dog toothpaste. Actually, he sold it to us. He
gives nothing away. Enzadent is the brand name, and the label says
it's "enzymatic." Whatever that means in this context. It came with
a rubber finger sleeve I was supposed to use to rub his teeth, but I
never had any luck with it.

So a few days ago, when his breath was robbing all pleasure from my
life, I got an old, but basically clean human toothbrush out and
schmeared a tiny bit of the doggy enzyme paste on it. It took a
little patience, but after letting him sniff it and get interested, I
was able to do a minor bit of brushing on both sides of his mouth.

Then came the interesting part. He wanted the brush. So I gave it to
him. Off he trotted with his new chew toy. For the next few minutes,
he brushed his own teeth -- at least he chewed on the bristles.

His breath is much improved.

Seems the paste tastes good. It looks like anchovy paste. Last
night, I did it again, and again he chewed on it afterwards. When I
took the brush away, he waited till I was out of the room and climbed
up on the couch and got it back from a side table. D had to chase him
down to get it back.
--
modom

ambitious when it comes to fiddling with meat

notbob wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog.

Another snide dig at my SO, you filthy stinking grub.

I can't WAIT to catch up with you Kirkland.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

If we are not meant to eat dick, why are they made of meat?

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> nb

Take him to the vet.

If his breath is that bad, he probably needs a dental done...
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Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article >,
> notbob > wrote:
>
>> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog,
>> overall, jes got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions
>> on how to turn it?
>>
>> nb
>
> Take him to the vet.
>
> If his breath is that bad, he probably needs a dental done...


We have these things over here called "DentaBones", cleans their teeth and
freshens their breath.

http://www.brandpower.com/AUS/Spotlight.asp?id=383



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

You will travel through the valley of rejection;
you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home,
though it will not be where you left it.

In article > ,
PLucas > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in
> news >
> > In article >,
> > notbob > wrote:
> >
> >> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog,
> >> overall, jes got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions
> >> on how to turn it?
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > Take him to the vet.
> >
> > If his breath is that bad, he probably needs a dental done...
>
>
> We have these things over here called "DentaBones", cleans their teeth and
> freshens their breath.
>
> http://www.brandpower.com/AUS/Spotlight.asp?id=383

I can get those locally too, but they are no substitute for a good teeth
cleaning if they've been neglected long enough. The tartar buildup can
get really bad.

I give my dogs chews on a regular basis to try to prevent the need.
But they still need it once in awhile, as do the cats...

Ka, our sealpoint siamese (cat), almost died due to bad teeth. I
managed to fatten him up enough to survive a dental. He lost a few
teeth at the vets, but now he's thriving. Looking better than he has in
months. Thank the gods for Hills A&D.

And he's really old. :-) Around 16, but siamese tend to live a long
time. Our oldest sealpoint passed at 19 1/2 a couple of years ago.
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweepter. Once." -- Anonymous

notbob wrote:
> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall, jes
> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?

There is a liquid that you can get at a good pet shop that helps get rid
of tartar. You use about a tablespoon per quart of water. It helped my
dog's bad breath.

Anyone can brush their dog's teeth themselves. Just go to a pet supply place
and buy some dog toothpaste. (It comes in flavors like chicken.) You can use
a soft human toothbrush. You can also scrape off tartar, if it has gotten
that far. Just buy a tartar-scraping tool.

Another way to help keep the teeth healthy is to NOT feed canned dog food,
just high-quality kibble. Unless, of course, you are feeding a raw diet.
People who feed a raw diet also give bones and turkey necks, which are said
to do a good job of keeping the teeth clean. For bad breath, there are
chewable tablets you can give them.

Despite all this, some dogs just develop tartar faster than others and have
bad breath

If your dog has to be taken to the vet and knocked out in order to have
their teeth cleaned....I'd say you've got a dog with temperament problems.
People I know who have to do that usually own some kind of little ankle
biter. <G>

Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article > ,
> PLucas > wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote in
>> news >>
>> > In article >,
>> > notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog,
>> >> overall, jes got dog breath that would etch glass. Any
>> >> suggestions on how to turn it?
>> >>
>> >> nb
>> >
>> > Take him to the vet.
>> >
>> > If his breath is that bad, he probably needs a dental done...
>>
>>
>> We have these things over here called "DentaBones", cleans their
>> teeth and freshens their breath.
>>
>> http://www.brandpower.com/AUS/Spotlight.asp?id=383
>
> I can get those locally too, but they are no substitute for a good
> teeth cleaning if they've been neglected long enough. The tartar
> buildup can get really bad.


The main words are "if they have been neglected too long".

My pooch is going to be 9 in June.

She is due for her yearly checkup and vaccinations. Last year the vet
told me that she had the best teeth of a dog her age that she has ever
seen.

And my vet is a *very* busy girl ;-)



>
> I give my dogs chews on a regular basis to try to prevent the need.
> But they still need it once in awhile, as do the cats...


Raw frozen chicken necks for cats, and for dogs, raw frozen chicken
frames.

Feed, exercise, teeth cleaning, happiness........ all in one.



>
> Ka, our sealpoint siamese (cat), almost died due to bad teeth. I
> managed to fatten him up enough to survive a dental. He lost a few
> teeth at the vets, but now he's thriving. Looking better than he has
> in months. Thank the gods for Hills A&D.
>
> And he's really old. :-) Around 16, but siamese tend to live a long
> time. Our oldest sealpoint passed at 19 1/2 a couple of years ago.


That's a loooooooong time to have a cat/pet.



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

You will travel through the valley of rejection;
you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your
home,
though it will not be where you left it.

In article >,
PLucas > wrote:

> > Ka, our sealpoint siamese (cat), almost died due to bad teeth. I
> > managed to fatten him up enough to survive a dental. He lost a few
> > teeth at the vets, but now he's thriving. Looking better than he has
> > in months. Thank the gods for Hills A&D.
> >
> > And he's really old. :-) Around 16, but siamese tend to live a long
> > time. Our oldest sealpoint passed at 19 1/2 a couple of years ago.
>
>
> That's a loooooooong time to have a cat/pet.
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

But it's nice. :-)
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> PLucas > wrote:
>
>
>>>Ka, our sealpoint siamese (cat), almost died due to bad teeth. I
>>>managed to fatten him up enough to survive a dental. He lost a few
>>>teeth at the vets, but now he's thriving. Looking better than he has
>>>in months. Thank the gods for Hills A&D.
>>>
>>>And he's really old. :-) Around 16, but siamese tend to live a long
>>>time. Our oldest sealpoint passed at 19 1/2 a couple of years ago.
>>
>>
>>That's a loooooooong time to have a cat/pet.

>
> But it's nice. :-)

JRTs are long lived - 18 to 20 years is not uncommon. So it's
conceivable that Cooper will be burrowing up the back of my sleeping
shirt for another 15 years.

For BCs, 14 to 16 is about it. I hate to think of my dogs as
middle-aged, but Scully is 8 and Zane is 7. Most people estimate their
ages as 2 or 3 years, though, because they're thin, well-muscled and
glossy as minks.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > PLucas > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>Ka, our sealpoint siamese (cat), almost died due to bad teeth. I
> >>>managed to fatten him up enough to survive a dental. He lost a few
> >>>teeth at the vets, but now he's thriving. Looking better than he has
> >>>in months. Thank the gods for Hills A&D.
> >>>
> >>>And he's really old. :-) Around 16, but siamese tend to live a long
> >>>time. Our oldest sealpoint passed at 19 1/2 a couple of years ago.
> >>
> >>
> >>That's a loooooooong time to have a cat/pet.
>
> >
> > But it's nice. :-)
>
> JRTs are long lived - 18 to 20 years is not uncommon. So it's
> conceivable that Cooper will be burrowing up the back of my sleeping
> shirt for another 15 years.
>
> For BCs, 14 to 16 is about it. I hate to think of my dogs as
> middle-aged, but Scully is 8 and Zane is 7. Most people estimate their
> ages as 2 or 3 years, though, because they're thin, well-muscled and
> glossy as minks.

I have yet to have a dog live longer than 16. Shelties and one
Australian Shepherd.

The poodle that died late last year was abandoned in front of my house
and the vet estimated her age at around 12. I had her for nearly 2 years.
She was blind and pretty much deaf when I found her. Peach colored
teacup.

My border collie and corgie are still pretty young so I won't have to
deal with that for awhile. I'm not sure how old the lab/chow is but
he's getting gray around the muzzle. He was another rescue dog.

He's cool tho'. :-)

Dogs are family members! So are cats... No matter how many one may have.
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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Dave Smith >
> m: in rec.food.cooking
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog,
>>> overall, jes got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions
>>> on how to turn it?
>> There is a liquid that you can get at a good pet shop that helps get
>> rid of tartar. You use about a tablespoon per quart of water. It
>> helped my dog's bad breath.
>
> I haven't seen this stuff around here. Do you remember what it's called?

It is called Suzie'S Tartar Liquid. It's not cheap, but it does seem to
work. We used it with our 12 year old Groendal whose breath was getting
prety bad and within two weeks his breath was no longer quite so offensive.


http://www.suziestartarliquid.com/



> How's the horseback riding? I'm going every morning at 6am sharp.

I am still doing it. I was demoted. Well, not exactly demoted... the
girls in my class were all working toward competition and I am just
there for fun, so they put me in a lower level class. That was fine by
me because I am too big and too old for the height and number of jumps
there were doing. The new class is a 10 am Sunday mornings instead of 9,
so I don't have to set an alarm.

We lost a girl in our class a few weeks ago. She is out for at least two
months. It was one of the nastiest spills I ever saw. She wanted that
horse, which tends to spook and take off. It happened a few times early
in the lesson. The last time it happened I caught the action looking
over my shoulder. The horse bolted. She got discombobulated. When I saw
her she was in front of the saddle and hanging over to one side. The
idiot horse ran her into the wall. She hit on of a pillar and crumpled.
She was pretty dazed. Her father was there so I didn't have to render
first aid, and when she finally got up her left shoulder was sagging a
few inches, so I figured that she had broken her collar bone, and it
turned out that she had. So she is in for a world of pain for a month or
so. Been there, done that, got the crooked collar bone to prove it.

I just heard back from a Horse Alternative Therapy program that I
applied to last month. They are talking about a training session for
next Saturday afternoon. I don't know if I will be able to get some free
riding there, but I figured that it was about time I invested some time
in volunteer work, and in a field I enjoy.

Kathleen wrote:

> JRTs are long lived - 18 to 20 years is not uncommon. So it's
> conceivable that Cooper will be burrowing up the back of my sleeping
> shirt for another 15 years.
>
> For BCs, 14 to 16 is about it. I hate to think of my dogs as
> middle-aged, but Scully is 8 and Zane is 7. Most people estimate their
> ages as 2 or 3 years, though, because they're thin, well-muscled and
> glossy as minks.

My Groenendahl turns 13 this month. Their life expectancy is 12-14
years. I thought we were going to have to have him put down last month
when he came down with a vestibular problem. He was falling over,
wouldn't eat or drink. We thought he was a goner. He bounced back, but
we know that he won't be with us too much longer. It's a damned shame
because he is a wonderful dog. We adopted him when we was five. I would
love to get another one, but from what I hear, you pay your $2,000 and
wait two years for a pup. That's a little rich for my blood.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
>
> > JRTs are long lived - 18 to 20 years is not uncommon. So it's
> > conceivable that Cooper will be burrowing up the back of my sleeping
> > shirt for another 15 years.
> >
> > For BCs, 14 to 16 is about it. I hate to think of my dogs as
> > middle-aged, but Scully is 8 and Zane is 7. Most people estimate their
> > ages as 2 or 3 years, though, because they're thin, well-muscled and
> > glossy as minks.
>
> My Groenendahl turns 13 this month. Their life expectancy is 12-14
> years. I thought we were going to have to have him put down last month
> when he came down with a vestibular problem. He was falling over,
> wouldn't eat or drink. We thought he was a goner. He bounced back, but
> we know that he won't be with us too much longer. It's a damned shame
> because he is a wonderful dog. We adopted him when we was five. I would
> love to get another one, but from what I hear, you pay your $2,000 and
> wait two years for a pup. That's a little rich for my blood.

Google for rescue groups. You might be able to find one there for a
reasonable adoption fee.
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Dave Smith wrote:

> Kathleen wrote:
>
>> JRTs are long lived - 18 to 20 years is not uncommon. So it's
>> conceivable that Cooper will be burrowing up the back of my sleeping
>> shirt for another 15 years.
>>
>> For BCs, 14 to 16 is about it. I hate to think of my dogs as
>> middle-aged, but Scully is 8 and Zane is 7. Most people estimate
>> their ages as 2 or 3 years, though, because they're thin, well-muscled
>> and glossy as minks.
>
>
> My Groenendahl turns 13 this month. Their life expectancy is 12-14
> years. I thought we were going to have to have him put down last month
> when he came down with a vestibular problem. He was falling over,
> wouldn't eat or drink. We thought he was a goner. He bounced back, but
> we know that he won't be with us too much longer. It's a damned shame
> because he is a wonderful dog. We adopted him when we was five. I would
> love to get another one, but from what I hear, you pay your $2,000 and
> wait two years for a pup. That's a little rich for my blood.

We see belgians, tervs and related breeds like malinois and dutch
shepherds a lot in flyball. Superb athletes, but they turn up in rescue
because some owners simply aren't prepared to cope with the energy
levels. My daughter has decided that when she loses Scully she won't be
able to be fair to another BC and has set her mind on a dutch shepherd.

There are young adults of all of the above breeds available in rescue
for a couple hundred in fees. Please do check into it. Many of these
dogs are magnificent animals, guilty of nothing more than having been
chosen by the wrong person.

http://www.rescueinfocenter.com/inde...lgian+Shepherd

Petfinder is another excellent resource.

Also, if you are interested, every so often performance dog candidates
turn up in the flyball lists. If you'd like me to keep an eye out
please e-mail me, deleting the obvious.

Kathleen wrote:
>
>>
>> My Groenendahl turns 13 this month. Their life expectancy is 12-14
>> years. I thought we were going to have to have him put down last month
>> when he came down with a vestibular problem. He was falling over,
>> wouldn't eat or drink. We thought he was a goner. He bounced back, but
>> we know that he won't be with us too much longer. It's a damned shame
>> because he is a wonderful dog. We adopted him when we was five. I
>> would love to get another one, but from what I hear, you pay your
>> $2,000 and wait two years for a pup. That's a little rich for my blood.
>
> We see belgians, tervs and related breeds like malinois and dutch
> shepherds a lot in flyball. Superb athletes, but they turn up in rescue
> because some owners simply aren't prepared to cope with the energy
> levels.


That's pretty much how we got Luc. He was owned by a woman who wanted a
Groendahl in the worst way. Every time I look at him I imagine that he
must have been a beautiful puppy, but apparently he was pretty bad. She
spent a lot of money to get him trained. And he was very well trained
when we got him. I could park him outside a store and tell him to sit
and he wouldn't move. Unfortunately. she had has wicked case of post
partum depression and her husband was working at home with a newborn and
a 2 0r 3 year old. Luc started messing up. A friend of ours used to go
on dog walks with a friend of hers who was Luc's neighbor and they used
to take him along. The agreed to help find a home for him, and he ended
up with us, and we have enjoyed him for 7 years now.

I had a few Labs before, and they were a lot of fun. After having Luc I
have realized that Labs, despite the fun, are all retarded.

I just got back from cross country skiing in the back. My wife went snow
shoeing and took Luc with her. She started about 5 minutes after I left
and stopped about a half mile behind our house. I was about a mile back
and in the woods when Luc suddenly appeared. When I got back she said
that she had told him to go to me, so he had gone at least a half mile
following my trail.


Thanks for the suggestion about Belgium rescues. This one sure worked
out. Knowing how smart they are, and having a lot of experience in
training, I am sure that I can handle a troubled one. We have lots of
room to let one burn of energy, and my wife and I both like to go out
for long daily walks. Even Harry, our Bouvier-Shepherd mutt who we
adopted from the Humane Society turned out to be a good dog with some
training. He had obviously never had any. I am sure that he had been
abused. He was a year and a half when we got him and not house trained.
He was house trained within a few days. I then leash trained him, and
within a month I had him running free and coming when he was called.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> He was a year and a half when we got him and not house trained.
> He was house trained within a few days. I then leash trained him, and
> within a month I had him running free and coming when he was called.

Sounds similar to the dogs I currently have. I've come to prefer
adopting adult dogs. ;-) Easier to train. I don't have time to deal with
puppies and I know that!

It's cool.

I never have gotten people that don't train their dogs to at least the
basics. Recall training, to me, is a #1 priority. And it's just not that
hard!
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Omelet wrote:
led.
>
> Sounds similar to the dogs I currently have. I've come to prefer
> adopting adult dogs. ;-) Easier to train. I don't have time to deal with
> puppies and I know that!
>
> It's cool.
>
> I never have gotten people that don't train their dogs to at least the
> basics. Recall training, to me, is a #1 priority. And it's just not that
> hard!

My brother is like that. He never trains his dogs. He has a fenced yard
and has somehow managed to have very nice dogs, but no leash training.
That proved unfortunate for us one time when we dog sat for them. They
dropped the dog off without a leash or collar. We had one collar and one
leash for our dog, so we could only take one dog out at a time. My wife
had taken our dog out and when she came back into the house my brother's
dog squeezed past her and ran outside, across the road and right into
the path of a car.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> led.
> >
> > Sounds similar to the dogs I currently have. I've come to prefer
> > adopting adult dogs. ;-) Easier to train. I don't have time to deal with
> > puppies and I know that!
> >
> > It's cool.
> >
> > I never have gotten people that don't train their dogs to at least the
> > basics. Recall training, to me, is a #1 priority. And it's just not that
> > hard!
>
> My brother is like that. He never trains his dogs. He has a fenced yard
> and has somehow managed to have very nice dogs, but no leash training.
> That proved unfortunate for us one time when we dog sat for them. They
> dropped the dog off without a leash or collar. We had one collar and one
> leash for our dog, so we could only take one dog out at a time. My wife
> had taken our dog out and when she came back into the house my brother's
> dog squeezed past her and ran outside, across the road and right into
> the path of a car.

That is the #1 reason to recall train them! It can literally save their
lives.

I've seen that same scenario played out more than once on my street. :-(

I have a fully fenced yard. One of the other things trained into them
(among other basic stuff) is to not leave the gate. I live on a busy
street! Neither Jewely nor Chelsea will run out the gate when I'm
unloading groceries. I can leave it open. :-)

Trained dogs are such a pleasure and it's so easy to do.
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Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>
> Thanks. I wanted it for future reference. I don't have a dog right now
> but maybe for future use.

I have to say that I balked at the price, but it did the trick. We had
tried a green bone. Luc is no much interested in anything unless it is
meat or cheese, but we bought a small green bone and he ate it. We went
out and spent close to $30 on a bag of them and now he won't touch them.


>> I am still doing it. I was demoted. Well, not exactly demoted... the
>> girls in my class were all working toward competition and I am just
>> there for fun, so they put me in a lower level class. That was fine by
>> me because I am too big and too old for the height and number of jumps
>> there were doing. The new class is a 10 am Sunday mornings instead of
>> 9, so I don't have to set an alarm.
>
> Sounds like a good gig for you. I'm still doing dressage once a month. I
> do it for fun and exercise. I'm still jumping with Jonsey and maybe we'll
> enter some competitions this spring. I'm not sure yet. Jumping is not a
> good thing for me to be doing. At least the fun type of jumping I like
> to do.

Jumping is fun, but when things go badly you can get seriously hurt.
There is a hell of a lot to do and to be thinking about as you hit those
jumps. It is great mental and physical exercise.


>> We lost a girl in our class a few weeks ago. She is out for at least
>> two months. It was one of the nastiest spills I ever saw. She wanted
>> that horse, which tends to spook and take off.
>
> Obviously she wasn't able to handle the horse. Why on earth would anyone
> let her ride it?

What can I say? She is a teenage girl. They like riding and they like
the spirited horses. She had asked for that horse, and our instructor
had suggested that she change half way through the lesson. They even
lunged her for a bit in the middle of the lesson. The father was ****ed
off and said she can't ever ride that horse again. Meanwhile, some of us
were wondering about the parents. The accident happened around 11 am and
they didn't take her to the hospital until around 9 pm. Several of us
has suggested that she had broken her collar bone. Not that they would
have done much for it, but I am sure she could have used some good pain
killers. Goodness knows I did. I lived on Oxycontin for two months.



>
>> I just heard back from a Horse Alternative Therapy program that I
>> applied to last month. They are talking about a training session for
>> next Saturday afternoon. I don't know if I will be able to get some
>> free riding there, but I figured that it was about time I invested
>> some time in volunteer work, and in a field I enjoy.
>
> That sounds like a wonderful thing to be doing.

I thought it sounded worthwhile, and the stable is only a few miles from
here. I have a friend in Texas who has two autistic grandchildren and
they are amazed at how great it is for those kids.

Omelet wrote:
r
>
> That is the #1 reason to recall train them! It can literally save their
> lives.
>
> I've seen that same scenario played out more than once on my street. :-(
>
> I have a fully fenced yard. One of the other things trained into them
> (among other basic stuff) is to not leave the gate. I live on a busy
> street! Neither Jewely nor Chelsea will run out the gate when I'm
> unloading groceries. I can leave it open. :-)
>
> Trained dogs are such a pleasure and it's so easy to do.

Most dogs seem to like to be trained. Everyone ends up happier.

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> r
> >
> > That is the #1 reason to recall train them! It can literally save their
> > lives.
> >
> > I've seen that same scenario played out more than once on my street. :-(
> >
> > I have a fully fenced yard. One of the other things trained into them
> > (among other basic stuff) is to not leave the gate. I live on a busy
> > street! Neither Jewely nor Chelsea will run out the gate when I'm
> > unloading groceries. I can leave it open. :-)
> >
> > Trained dogs are such a pleasure and it's so easy to do.
>
> Most dogs seem to like to be trained. Everyone ends up happier.

They love the attention. :-) To them, it's play!
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Dave Smith wrote:


>
> I had a few Labs before, and they were a lot of fun. After having Luc I
> have realized that Labs, despite the fun, are all retarded.
>

One of my daughter's tearchers had owned border collies for years, then
decided she wanted something a little less drive-y so she got a lab.
She said she loved the dog dearly but got so tired of having to explain
everything to him.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I had a few Labs before, and they were a lot of fun. After having Luc I
> > have realized that Labs, despite the fun, are all retarded.
> >
>
> One of my daughter's tearchers had owned border collies for years, then
> decided she wanted something a little less drive-y so she got a lab.
> She said she loved the dog dearly but got so tired of having to explain
> everything to him.

<LOL> ! I can relate to that. :-)
It's one reason I've come to love the collie and shepherd breeds so much.
The BC is smarter than the shelties were, but the shelties were MUCH
smarter than the whippets and poodles we had prior to them.

To date, the brightest and easiest to train dog I've ever had is the
pembroke corgie. Chelsea is even smarter than the BC. Takes me maybe 2
to 3 tries to get her to understand what I want her to do.

And she has a loooong memory if I don't use the command that often.
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Dave Smith wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> r
>
>>
>> That is the #1 reason to recall train them! It can literally save
>> their lives.
>>
>> I've seen that same scenario played out more than once on my street. :-(
>>
>> I have a fully fenced yard. One of the other things trained into them
>> (among other basic stuff) is to not leave the gate. I live on a busy
>> street! Neither Jewely nor Chelsea will run out the gate when I'm
>> unloading groceries. I can leave it open. :-)
>>
>> Trained dogs are such a pleasure and it's so easy to do.
>
> Most dogs seem to like to be trained. Everyone ends up happier.

With three dogs training time has to be well-planned. The two that
aren't working have to be locked outside *without* having seen the
clicker or the training collar. If they know somebody's going to get
trained they sit outside on the deck and wail and moan about the
unfairness of it all, to the point where the neighbors think I've
abandoned them and they're starving to death.

Scully is by far the wiliest of the three. I taught her "bring me your
dish". It started out as "bring me your bowl" but she kept raising
around the house collecting tennis balls so we switched to "dish".

So, anyhow, our stainless steel dog dishes are awkward to pick up
because of the flat lip around the edge and if she was clumsy and turned
one upside down she'd have a hell of a time flipping it over so it could
be picked up. A successful lift and return earned a piece of kibble in
the bowl, which I held out for her to eat.

Once she got the hang of a simple lift and return I started making it
harder by deliberately placing the dishes upside down so she'd have to
work at flipping them over.

She loved these training sessions. So one evening I was watching TV and
she went to the patio door and barked to be let out. I got up, Scully
backed up a couple of steps so as to be out of the way when Zane and
Cooper came racing up, pushing and scrambling to be first out the door.
After they'd gone thundering past she just stood there. Changed her
mind is what I guessed.

So I shut the door, sat back down on the couch and un-paused the movie
I'd been watching. I was just settling in and WHANG!! Ow! My shin!
WTF?! And there's Scully, grinning up at me, obviously pleased with
herself. Little Miss Clever had put the boys outside, gone and gotten
her dish and flung it at me to let me know it was time to work.

Omelet wrote:

> <LOL> ! I can relate to that. :-)
> It's one reason I've come to love the collie and shepherd breeds so much.
> The BC is smarter than the shelties were, but the shelties were MUCH
> smarter than the whippets and poodles we had prior to them.
>
> To date, the brightest and easiest to train dog I've ever had is the
> pembroke corgie. Chelsea is even smarter than the BC. Takes me maybe 2
> to 3 tries to get her to understand what I want her to do.
>
> And she has a loooong memory if I don't use the command that often.

The easiest dog I ever had to train was my Bouvier des Flandres. Not
only was she incredibly obedient, but she seemed to understand English.
She would have cleaned up in obedience school but lost 11 points because
of repeated commands. I didn't know you lost points for repeating
commands. I knew that she would do it, but she was a little slow in
responding.

One night I had a friend over to jam and the dog was asleep and snoring
so I told her to go up to our son's room. She got up, walked upstairs
and plonked herself down in the room above us. My friend was amazed and
asked how I had trained her to do that. I didn't. I just told her. She
understood.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> So I shut the door, sat back down on the couch and un-paused the movie
> I'd been watching. I was just settling in and WHANG!! Ow! My shin!
> WTF?! And there's Scully, grinning up at me, obviously pleased with
> herself. Little Miss Clever had put the boys outside, gone and gotten
> her dish and flung it at me to let me know it was time to work.

Bored stimulated dogs are never a good thing. <g>
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"dejablues" > wrote in message
...
>
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mom's in the hospital, I'm stuck with the dog. Not a bad dog, overall,
>> jes
>> got dog breath that would etch glass. Any suggestions on how to turn it?
>
> No quick fixes.
> Take him to the vet for a deep tooth-cleaning, perhaps removal of bad
> rotten teeth, and afterwards make sure he eats a good healthy diet and
> gets regular toothbrushing.
> As my vet once said, "How would *your* breath smell if you didn't brush
> your teeth in 20 years?"
> Yeah. It's like that.
>

Absolutely. My dog Sampson (RB 1999) lived to be within two months of 18
years old. And his breath really stunk until the vet pulled some bad
molars.

Jill

In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > <LOL> ! I can relate to that. :-)
> > It's one reason I've come to love the collie and shepherd breeds so much.
> > The BC is smarter than the shelties were, but the shelties were MUCH
> > smarter than the whippets and poodles we had prior to them.
> >
> > To date, the brightest and easiest to train dog I've ever had is the
> > pembroke corgie. Chelsea is even smarter than the BC. Takes me maybe 2
> > to 3 tries to get her to understand what I want her to do.
> >
> > And she has a loooong memory if I don't use the command that often.
>
> The easiest dog I ever had to train was my Bouvier des Flandres. Not
> only was she incredibly obedient, but she seemed to understand English.
> She would have cleaned up in obedience school but lost 11 points because
> of repeated commands. I didn't know you lost points for repeating
> commands. I knew that she would do it, but she was a little slow in
> responding.
>
> One night I had a friend over to jam and the dog was asleep and snoring
> so I told her to go up to our son's room. She got up, walked upstairs
> and plonked herself down in the room above us. My friend was amazed and
> asked how I had trained her to do that. I didn't. I just told her. She
> understood.

All I ever do to train dogs is give the spoken command (or hand signal)
and then make them do what I want them to do, but after awhile it DOES
seem that the dogs learn to understand English. :-) Visualize what I
want sometimes. Some dogs are psychic (or so I believe!).

One dog I'm considering in the future are ones the local police are
using a lot now for drug and patrol dogs.

The Belgium Malinois.
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