On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:53:48a, Virginia Tadrzynski told us...

>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 5.250...
>> On Mon 12 Jan 2009 05:49:05a, Nancy Young told us...
>>
>>> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>>> Banned for life from popular Berkeley market
>>>>> for taking samples. And he deserves it!
>>>>>
>>>>> http://cbs5.com/local/berkeley.bowl.ban.2.823933.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know about the guy using "too much"
>>>>> cream and sugar in his coffee. Did it exceed
>>>>> the volume of the coffee? Was he feeding his
>>>>> family off this stuff? That would be an abuse.
>>>>> I remember hearing stories about during WW2
>>>>> people would abuse sugar offered at restaurants
>>>>> and diners because it was rationed.
>>>>
>>>> Thing is, at least with the produce, the Berkeley Bowl will GIVE you
>>>> a sample of any fruit you want, so there's no need to steal it. I am
>>>> so annoyed with people who stand there nibbling away at the produce
>>>> I'm about to buy.
>>>
>>> There was an article in the paper some time ago about these
>>> grazers, especially at a local orchard/produce place. People
>>> would walk in, grab a bag of grapes or a bunch of cherries and
>>> eat them as they shopped. Like Aesop's fable, they'd get to the
>>> checkout swinging an empty bag.
>>>
>>> Berkeley Bowl's farmers must be losing a fortune for them to
>>> take such drastic measures. I imagine there were big signs
>>> that people ignored.
>>>
>>> Not sure about the coffee thing. I have seen people put
>>> 10 packets of sugar into a cup of coffee. I don't know if
>>> it qualifies people to be banned or whatever.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>> I agree with the issue of "sampling" fruit. However, preferences in
>> sugar and cream in coffee vary widely. If the store feels they need to
>> limit that, then they should post a sign by the coffee bar noting the
>> limits. When coffee is offered free, most people would naturally assume
>> that the sugar/sweetner and cream would also be free to the degree that
>> they need it. It's not as though they're filling their pockets with
>> it.
>>
>> --
>> Wayne Boatwright
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> When I worked at the coffee shop on a local 'foo-foo' university
> (Lehigh) we had to lock everything up nightly. Outside the shop(pe) was
> a small dining area and a condiment counter that had the usual cream,
> sugar, salt, pepper, ketchup, mustard, relish, etc. as well as plastic
> utensils and napkins. We had to inspect the area hourly to refill and
> when we closed down in the evening, we had to put everything under lock
> and key as a full container of sugar or all the utensil containers would
> be empty when we arrived in the morning to opening prep. Seems if you
> can afford to pay upwards of $60K a year for your college education all
> these things are 'gimmes'. I actually stopped a girl from off loading
> the forks into her purse and asked her 'what about others needing
> them'....her response was a blank stare and 'so what, I want them, I got
> them first. After all, they have YOU to put more out, and since I'm
> having a party at my dorm, when do you expect to put them
> out?'........Pompous twit. Needless to say, I didn't stay there too
> long, as even Walmart paid better with less aggrevation!

The little bitch!

> The only thing I will take out of a restaurant/eating area of a
> store/grocery is napkins. Once they put them on the table out of the
> dispenser, they are required to toss them, so I just toss them in my
> purse. Then I only take what came with the meal or was left by
> waitstaff, never emptying the dispenser.
> -ginny

I will take anything with me I want if it was provided specifically with my
meal in an individual portion. I feel that I did pay for that. It's
usually not much of anything, perhaps a packet of catsup or sauce, and
napkins laid with my place setting. Otherwise, it's just wrong.

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On Mon 12 Jan 2009 12:11:12p, Gloria P told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with the issue of "sampling" fruit. However, preferences in
>> sugar and cream in coffee vary widely. If the store feels they need to
>> limit that, then they should post a sign by the coffee bar noting the
>> limits. When coffee is offered free, most people would naturally
>> assume that the sugar/sweetner and cream would also be free to the
>> degree that they need it. It's not as though they're filling their
>> pockets with it.
>>
>
> Maybe. Have you ever noticed that when the price of sugar goes very
> high, many restaurants that used to serve sugar packets switch to
> regular sugar in the bowls? Restaurant owning friends tell me it wasn't
> unusual to see some of the "thrifty" senior citizens empty the bowl of
> packets into their pockets in the 70's when there was a large spike in
> price. When some people feel helpless or threatened, they'll steal the
> fillings out of your teeth.

I remember seeing that during that period.

> As far as fruit, most produce workers IME will pull out their little
> knife and cut you a sample of just about anything, Even sometimes if I
> don't ask, one of the guys I deal with will come over and say "You
> should try this!" for a new variety or product.

I've never had a problem if I asked for a sample to taste. Most are more
than willing to do so.

> gloria p
>



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Dale P wrote:
>
> Actually I have an acquaintance who does fill his pockets with any
> condiments in the little packets. He will clean out the entire bins at
> a hamburger joint. They live in the same high rise as some friends of
> ours, and when my friend called to borrow the proverbial cup of sugar,
> the wife asked him how many packets that would be!! They have never
> bought sugar, salt, pepper, catsup, mustard, cream and so on. But of
> course they are also so cheap that they pay for one person in a buffet
> restaurant, and the sneak the other one in. It takes all kinds.
>


I know someone who brags that they have never bought a bar of soap in 40
years of marriage. They stock up when they stay in hotels both from the
bathroom and the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
they leave my house with.

gloria p

On Mon 12 Jan 2009 06:04:29p, Gloria P told us...

> Dale P wrote:
>>
>> Actually I have an acquaintance who does fill his pockets with any
>> condiments in the little packets. He will clean out the entire bins at
>> a hamburger joint. They live in the same high rise as some friends of
>> ours, and when my friend called to borrow the proverbial cup of sugar,
>> the wife asked him how many packets that would be!! They have never
>> bought sugar, salt, pepper, catsup, mustard, cream and so on. But of
>> course they are also so cheap that they pay for one person in a buffet
>> restaurant, and the sneak the other one in. It takes all kinds.
>>
>
>
> I know someone who brags that they have never bought a bar of soap in 40
> years of marriage. They stock up when they stay in hotels both from the
> bathroom and the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
> they leave my house with.
>
> gloria p
>

Ya never know. When my mother was living with us, we had friends with a
teenaged daughter who would almost always steal one or more of my mother's
lipsticks or colognes. Wouldn't you think she'd know we'd notice?

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> Ya never know. When my mother was living with us, we had friends with a
> teenaged daughter who would almost always steal one or more of my mother's
> lipsticks or colognes. Wouldn't you think she'd know we'd notice?

I should have expected that part of this thread would remind me of Big
Niece. One time when she stayed here she helped herself to a book, which
BTW was inappropriate for her a girl her age. She was living with my
wife;s parents at the time. I spotted the book and stole it back. The
next time she was here she stole it again. So the next time we were at
the inlaw's I stole it back again. She has not stayed with us again
since then. I keep wondering what else she has stolen from us.

Gloria P wrote:

> I know someone who brags that they have never bought a bar of soap in 40
> years of marriage. They stock up when they stay in hotels both from the
> bathroom and the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
> they leave my house with.

Maybe you should suggest that the next time they brag about their
thievery. A thief is a thief. They usually aren't particular about what
they steal or who they steal from.

Kathleen > wrote in message
news [snip]
> However, I feel that expecting even a well-rested,
> recently fed 18 month old to sit within arms reach
> of her favorite food in the whole world might be a
> little too much to ask.

Setting expectations and holding to them (as the adult) is what
netted me well-behaved toddlers. Even in the face of their
favorite food in the whole world...

> In my opinion the solution this mother used was
> entirely appropriate.

We'll agree to disagree. A bribe, even one such as previously
listed, is still a bribe and sets the wrong expectations.

The Ranger

Dave Smith > wrote in
message ...
> Gloria P wrote:
>> I know someone who brags that they have never
>> bought a bar of soap in 40 years of marriage. They
>> stock up when they stay in hotels both from the bathroom and
>> the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
>> they leave my house with.
>>
> Maybe you should suggest that the next time they
> brag about their thievery. A thief is a thief. They
> usually aren't particular about what they steal or
> who they steal from.

This can backfire, though, as the couple will most likely spend
several minutes justifying their aberrant behavior.

The Ranger

On Mon 12 Jan 2009 06:50:39p, Dave Smith told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> Ya never know. When my mother was living with us, we had friends with
>> a teenaged daughter who would almost always steal one or more of my
>> mother's lipsticks or colognes. Wouldn't you think she'd know we'd
>> notice?
>
> I should have expected that part of this thread would remind me of Big
> Niece. One time when she stayed here she helped herself to a book, which
> BTW was inappropriate for her a girl her age. She was living with my
> wife;s parents at the time. I spotted the book and stole it back. The
> next time she was here she stole it again. So the next time we were at
> the inlaw's I stole it back again. She has not stayed with us again
> since then. I keep wondering what else she has stolen from us.

I've always thought that certain people were clearly meant to be taken to a
vet and put down.


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:52:41 -0500, Dave Smith
> shouted from the highest
rooftop:

>Gloria P wrote:
>
>> I know someone who brags that they have never bought a bar of soap in 40
>> years of marriage. They stock up when they stay in hotels both from the
>> bathroom and the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
>> they leave my house with.
>
>Maybe you should suggest that the next time they brag about their
>thievery. A thief is a thief. They usually aren't particular about what
>they steal or who they steal from.

I used to manage a large natural foods store which was visited every
few weeks by the local health inspector. His visits consisted of him
walking through the store to the bulk bins, scooping up a handful of
macadamia nuts from one of the bins and walking slowly around munching
them until he was finished. Then he'd give me a brief wave and be on
his way.

He never asked permission and I never said anything to him about it,
even though macadamias were our second most expensive nut (pine nuts
were the most expensive) and I knew that he only inspected other food
outlets twice a year as a rule. But we always got glowing reports
about the store's hygiene and cleanliness - which was totally
deserved, macadamias or not.


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In article > ,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> However, I have to confess that I was once glad to see it happen to an
> annoying shopper. She was one of those elardos who was so fat and
> slovenly that she had to elan on her shopping cart for support. I was
> approaching from the opposite direction and there was a skit full of
> stock at one side of the aisle and only room for one cart to get
> through. I made the mistake of demonstrating the little bit of public
> manners I have and stopped to let her get by, even though I could have
> scooted through before she got there. My thanks for that was to have her
> stop in the middle and gaze about. Then she moved an inch or two and
> stopped and gazed around some more. After several more of those short,
> slow movements, the woman behind rammed into her. The woman whine and
> carried on "OWWWW!! That hurt. Owww you should watch where you're going
> . You hurt me..." I caught eye contact with the rammer, smiled and gave
> her a thumbs up.

Whatever happened to simply asking the shopper if you can get by please?
What's with ramming people?

That's assault and I'd press charges!
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On Jan 13, 7:03*am, Sheldon > wrote:
> On Jan 12, 2:58 pm, Dave Smith
>
> > wrote:
> > Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > > In article >,
> > > "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> > >> If the guy took a sample and then made a purchase, I'd just write it off as
> > >> cost of goods sold.
>
> > > Do you think he'd buy the one he'd taken a bite of, Ed? I don't.
>
> > I used to work in the toy and sports department of store. I was amazed
> > at the number of people who would open up packages to see what was in
> > them and then take an unopened box. I can understand wanting to see
> > what is inside, but if you open it and find everything there, and you
> > want the product, why not take the one you opened?
>
> Very few products nowadays can be opened without a hefty pair of tin
> snips and a razor knife... most everything is electronically welded
> sealed in those indestructable plastic pods. *Just two days ago my new
> Delta shower head arrived and it took me a full ten minuts to remove
> it from its imprisonment cell... you almost need Kevlar gloves to
> protect your hands.

For the last few weeks the TV has been carrying ads for a little gizmo
that supposedly makes light work of that hard sealed plastic
packaging. It comes packaged in ..............hard sealed plastic
packaging!!

JB

In article
>,
The Ranger > wrote:

> Naps prior, a favorite toy or blanket, and a snack packed prior to the
> trip always made my shopping trips easily endurable. The two times I
> had to leave a store (and the cart) removing the audience from my two
> little drama queens was all it took. A few minutes out in the parking
> lot, letting them understand we wouldn't be going back in until they
> settle down and would not be heading home immediately netted a
> complete about-face. In both instances, the customer service clerk
> kept my basket until I was able to return and claim it.
>
> The Ranger

And they're fine young women and girls now because you never made a
threat you weren't prepared to carry out, you picked your battles, and
every one of them know's she's Daddy's Girl. May it ever be thus,
Ranger.
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notbob wrote:
> On 2009-01-12, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>
>> We've been shopping there three or four times a week for five years, and
>> have NEVER experienced the kind of behavior you're talking about. Not once.
>
> Your point being what, that I'm lying?

Certainly not. It's called a counterdatapoint. You offered your
experience, I offered mine, which differs from yours. Is that a problem?

Serene

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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:25:41 -0800, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2009-01-12, Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>>
>>> We've been shopping there three or four times a week for five years, and
>>> have NEVER experienced the kind of behavior you're talking about. Not once.
>>
>> Your point being what, that I'm lying?
>
>Certainly not. It's called a counterdatapoint. You offered your
>experience, I offered mine, which differs from yours. Is that a problem?
>
>Serene

And my experiences have been different from notbob's as well.

One thing I would like to mention, is that both Serene and I have
shopped multiple times over the years, at Berkeley Bowl. She goes
several times a week, and I went about once or twice a week. I think
notbob only went there once.

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The Ranger wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in
> message ...
>> Gloria P wrote:
>>> I know someone who brags that they have never
>>> bought a bar of soap in 40 years of marriage. They
>>> stock up when they stay in hotels both from the bathroom and
>>> the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
>>> they leave my house with.
>>>
>> Maybe you should suggest that the next time they
>> brag about their thievery. A thief is a thief. They
>> usually aren't particular about what they steal or
>> who they steal from.
>
> This can backfire, though, as the couple will most likely spend
> several minutes justifying their aberrant behavior.


Sure. They can try to justify their thievery, but it is still stealing.
They didn't just take the courtesy bars left int he bathroom. They even
took it from the cleaning lady's cart. You know that they wouldn't load
up on the stuff in the cart if the cleaning lady were there. I am sure
they are well aware that they are stealing the stuff.

Omelet wrote:

>> However, I have to confess that I was once glad to see it happen to an
>> annoying shopper. She was one of those elardos who was so fat and
>> slovenly that she had to elan on her shopping cart for support. I was
>> approaching from the opposite direction and there was a skit full of
>> stock at one side of the aisle and only room for one cart to get
>> through. I made the mistake of demonstrating the little bit of public
>> manners I have and stopped to let her get by, even though I could have
>> scooted through before she got there. My thanks for that was to have her
>> stop in the middle and gaze about. Then she moved an inch or two and
>> stopped and gazed around some more. After several more of those short,
>> slow movements, the woman behind rammed into her. The woman whine and
>> carried on "OWWWW!! That hurt. Owww you should watch where you're going
>> . You hurt me..." I caught eye contact with the rammer, smiled and gave
>> her a thumbs up.
>
> Whatever happened to simply asking the shopper if you can get by please?
> What's with ramming people?

That could be a valid point, but I am quite convinced that wench was
well aware that she was blocking the hall, and that she was doing on
purpose. It was just a very feeble person's silly little power trip.


> That's assault and I'd press charges!

It may well have been, but it would be hard to prove that it wasn't an
accident. I am sure that no one would think that the old bag that rammed
my heels did by accident the first time..... the second time? ... the
third time??? Do you really think that you will get anywhere trying to
press charges for a little shove by a cart in a grocery store? Better
to just deal with it by confronting the person.

On Mon 12 Jan 2009 08:44:02p, Dave Smith told us...

> The Ranger wrote:
>> Dave Smith > wrote in
>> message ...
>>> Gloria P wrote:
>>>> I know someone who brags that they have never
>>>> bought a bar of soap in 40 years of marriage. They
>>>> stock up when they stay in hotels both from the bathroom and
>>>> the cleaning lady's cart in the hall. Makes me wonder what
>>>> they leave my house with.
>>>>
>>> Maybe you should suggest that the next time they
>>> brag about their thievery. A thief is a thief. They
>>> usually aren't particular about what they steal or
>>> who they steal from.
>>
>> This can backfire, though, as the couple will most likely spend
>> several minutes justifying their aberrant behavior.
>
>
> Sure. They can try to justify their thievery, but it is still stealing.
> They didn't just take the courtesy bars left int he bathroom. They even
> took it from the cleaning lady's cart. You know that they wouldn't load
> up on the stuff in the cart if the cleaning lady were there. I am sure
> they are well aware that they are stealing the stuff.
>

Some people have no compunction about theft, even feel that it is owed to
them. It may be a life-long or marriage-long habit.

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On Mon 12 Jan 2009 08:52:30p, Dave Smith told us...

> Omelet wrote:
>
>>> However, I have to confess that I was once glad to see it happen to an
>>> annoying shopper. She was one of those elardos who was so fat and
>>> slovenly that she had to elan on her shopping cart for support. I was
>>> approaching from the opposite direction and there was a skit full of
>>> stock at one side of the aisle and only room for one cart to get
>>> through. I made the mistake of demonstrating the little bit of public
>>> manners I have and stopped to let her get by, even though I could have
>>> scooted through before she got there. My thanks for that was to have
her
>>> stop in the middle and gaze about. Then she moved an inch or two and
>>> stopped and gazed around some more. After several more of those short,
>>> slow movements, the woman behind rammed into her. The woman whine and
>>> carried on "OWWWW!! That hurt. Owww you should watch where you're
going
>>> . You hurt me..." I caught eye contact with the rammer, smiled and
gave
>>> her a thumbs up.
>>
>> Whatever happened to simply asking the shopper if you can get by please?
>> What's with ramming people?
>
> That could be a valid point, but I am quite convinced that wench was
> well aware that she was blocking the hall, and that she was doing on
> purpose. It was just a very feeble person's silly little power trip.
>
>
>> That's assault and I'd press charges!
>
> It may well have been, but it would be hard to prove that it wasn't an
> accident. I am sure that no one would think that the old bag that rammed
> my heels did by accident the first time..... the second time? ... the
> third time??? Do you really think that you will get anywhere trying to
> press charges for a little shove by a cart in a grocery store? Better
> to just deal with it by confronting the person.
>

If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled around
and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
might make some impact.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled around
> and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
> slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
> might make some impact.

"STOP THAT" works well on assholes, kids and dogs, without the legal
implications involved in verbally threatening bodily harm. If need be,
follow up with "BACK UP". If a terrier with only two lonely brain cells
to rub together can grasp the "or else" implications, so can your
average passive aggressive cart-pushing wheezer.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
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> I do always taste grapes before buying them as they are unpredictable.

If the food is priced by weight, how do you justify sampling it?
I used to work in a grocery store, and fruits like bananas and apples were
sold by weight. So people would eat the banana and bring the peel with the
rest of their groceries to be checked out. Duh? I'm supposed to just weigh
the peel and charge you for that?
But then I'm ALWAYS the one parent who follows the rules about no cameras at
the dance recital, no outside food or drink brought into an event,...boy I'm
a dork. I could never grab a drink inside a store and drink it while
shopping without paying first.
Marie

On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:08:05p, Kathleen told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled
around
>> and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
>> slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
>> might make some impact.
>
> "STOP THAT" works well on assholes, kids and dogs, without the legal
> implications involved in verbally threatening bodily harm. If need be,
> follow up with "BACK UP". If a terrier with only two lonely brain cells
> to rub together can grasp the "or else" implications, so can your
> average passive aggressive cart-pushing wheezer.
>
>

Maybe, but... Most assholes haven't been to obedience training. <g>

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"MarieD" > wrote in message
...
> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
>> I do always taste grapes before buying them as they are unpredictable.
>
> If the food is priced by weight, how do you justify sampling it?

Why justify it?

"Dave Smith" > wrote
>
> Sure. They can try to justify their thievery, but it is still stealing.
> They didn't just take the courtesy bars left int he bathroom. They even
> took it from the cleaning lady's cart. You know that they wouldn't load up
> on the stuff in the cart if the cleaning lady were there. I am sure they
> are well aware that they are stealing the stuff.

I am telling you, really. Pick your battles.

Pssst ... believe it or not there is more important stuff going on out there
than hotel soap stealing, poor people getting help and bikes that get int he
way of your old clunker. Trust me on this.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:08:05p, Kathleen told us...
>
>
>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled
>
> around
>
>>>and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
>>>slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
>>>might make some impact.
>>
>>"STOP THAT" works well on assholes, kids and dogs, without the legal
>>implications involved in verbally threatening bodily harm. If need be,
>>follow up with "BACK UP". If a terrier with only two lonely brain cells
>>to rub together can grasp the "or else" implications, so can your
>>average passive aggressive cart-pushing wheezer.
>>
>>
>
>
> Maybe, but... Most assholes haven't been to obedience training. <g>
>

Unless they're blind, the posture and body language associated with the
phrase are unmistakable.

And on the opposite side, even the toughest, most blase and jaded
teenager can't help but respond to appropriately offered "WOOHOO! YAY!
WHO'S A GOOD BOY?!!!" signals. Oh yeah, they can try to hide it but I
can see their tails go thump thump.

The trick is to offer the reinforcement in a way they can accept it,
while pretending not to notice any acknowlegement.

You have to learn the dance.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
> Why justify it?

Why not? Assuming a person is an honest person, how does that person justify
eating food before paying for it when the cost is based on weight?
Maybe my feeling comes from where I live. There's no people in the produce
sections letting people sample the produce. If I were to ask to sample it,
they would think I was nuts. If you were seen eating something, and not
paying for it, you could technically be charged with shoplifting, right? Or
does shoplifting not apply to produce?
Marie

On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:29:19p, Kathleen told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Mon 12 Jan 2009 09:08:05p, Kathleen told us...
>>
>>
>>>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled
>>
>> around
>>
>>>>and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
>>>>slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
>>>>might make some impact.
>>>
>>>"STOP THAT" works well on assholes, kids and dogs, without the legal
>>>implications involved in verbally threatening bodily harm. If need be,
>>>follow up with "BACK UP". If a terrier with only two lonely brain cells
>>>to rub together can grasp the "or else" implications, so can your
>>>average passive aggressive cart-pushing wheezer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe, but... Most assholes haven't been to obedience training. <g>
>>
>
> Unless they're blind, the posture and body language associated with the
> phrase are unmistakable.
>
> And on the opposite side, even the toughest, most blase and jaded
> teenager can't help but respond to appropriately offered "WOOHOO! YAY!
> WHO'S A GOOD BOY?!!!" signals. Oh yeah, they can try to hide it but I
> can see their tails go thump thump.
>
> The trick is to offer the reinforcement in a way they can accept it,
> while pretending not to notice any acknowlegement.
>
> You have to learn the dance.
>
>

I suppose I should really try that.

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In article 0>,
says...
> On Mon 12 Jan 2009 05:49:05a, Nancy Young told us...
>
> > Serene Vannoy wrote:
> >> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>> Banned for life from popular Berkeley market
> >>> for taking samples. And he deserves it!
> >>>
> >>> http://cbs5.com/local/berkeley.bowl.ban.2.823933.html
> >>>
> >>> I don't know about the guy using "too much"
> >>> cream and sugar in his coffee. Did it exceed
> >>> the volume of the coffee? Was he feeding his
> >>> family off this stuff? That would be an abuse.
> >>> I remember hearing stories about during WW2
> >>> people would abuse sugar offered at restaurants
> >>> and diners because it was rationed.
> >>
> >> Thing is, at least with the produce, the Berkeley Bowl will GIVE you a
> >> sample of any fruit you want, so there's no need to steal it. I am so
> >> annoyed with people who stand there nibbling away at the produce I'm
> >> about to buy.
> >
> > There was an article in the paper some time ago about these
> > grazers, especially at a local orchard/produce place. People
> > would walk in, grab a bag of grapes or a bunch of cherries and
> > eat them as they shopped. Like Aesop's fable, they'd get to the
> > checkout swinging an empty bag.
> >
> > Berkeley Bowl's farmers must be losing a fortune for them to
> > take such drastic measures. I imagine there were big signs
> > that people ignored.
> >
> > Not sure about the coffee thing. I have seen people put
> > 10 packets of sugar into a cup of coffee. I don't know if
> > it qualifies people to be banned or whatever.
> >
> > nancy
> >
>
> I agree with the issue of "sampling" fruit. However, preferences in sugar
> and cream in coffee vary widely. If the store feels they need to limit
> that, then they should post a sign by the coffee bar noting the limits.
> When coffee is offered free, most people would naturally assume that the
> sugar/sweetner and cream would also be free to the degree that they need
> it. It's not as though they're filling their pockets with it.
>
>

At the last place I worked there was a Dunkin Donuts down the street.
Anytime any of us went there we had standing orders to grab a handful of
sugar packets and a handful of napkins.

It got to the point where the order had to be rescinded because we had
several months supply of both.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:35:24 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> I didn't miss it.

Oh, you've always been on the fringe. Livermore fercristsake... it
used to be the middle of nowhere. Now you're back in the middle of
nowhere again. ENJOY! I know you will. There are all places for
all types. My mom was *not* a people person so she lived on a large
piece of property with a commercial timber company as her neighbor.
She liked isolation.



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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:11:08 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Berkeley Bowl. I pictured a nice open-air, white tents,
>kindly farmers ... (laugh) ... guessed wrong, it seems.

VERY


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:26:46 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>Yes, it could be madhouse, especially on weekends, and near the
>holidays. But never the level of anything described above.

Oh, come on Chris. Don't dispel the mystique.


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:02:39 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>Whatever happened to simply asking the shopper if you can get by please?
>What's with ramming people?

I agree.


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:52:30 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>That could be a valid point, but I am quite convinced that wench was
>well aware that she was blocking the hall, and that she was doing on
>purpose. It was just a very feeble person's silly little power trip.

It sounds like prejudice to me.


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On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:43:14 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:26:46 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:
>
>>Yes, it could be madhouse, especially on weekends, and near the
>>holidays. But never the level of anything described above.
>
>Oh, come on Chris. Don't dispel the mystique.

Why not?

I get a bit irritated when people who have only been to Berkeley Bowl
ONCE spout off about it being this horrible place. Plus, I have never
ever heard it called Berkeley Brawl. Maybe I am missing something,
but it was always one of my favorite markets in the sfba, and I never
found it to be as described by notbob, or those articles. And as I
said before, I was a very regular shopper there.

Christine who misses both Berkeley Bowl AND Monterey Market bigtime!!!
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:00:12 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>If that had happened to me, by the third time I would have twirled around
>and said, "if you do that to me one more time I'm going to haul off and
>slap the living shit out of you." Of course, I wouldn't do it, but it
>might make some impact.

How many times have you been rammed? I can count it on one hand and
most of the people who rammed me weren't old or disabled.... they
apologized. It happens. Sometimes people concentrate too much on the
shelves. <shrug>


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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Dave Smith wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>>> not very good. However, this guy's excuse lost credibility by
>>> sampling two apricots. One might have been a sample, but taking two
>>> was theft.
>>
>> They were two different apricots. BB typically has several varieties of
>> any produce. Still, he should have asked.
>
>
> But we are talking apricots, not grapes. You wouldn't expect to taste
> peaches or apples. Once you bite into one of them it can't be sold. He
> shoudl have asked, and he probably would have been told no.

No, they are happy to cut into the peaches and apricots at the Berkeley
Bowl, and there's often an already-cut one they can cut from. They're
great that way.

Serene

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In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:43:14 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:26:46 -0700, Christine Dabney
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Yes, it could be madhouse, especially on weekends, and near the
> >>holidays. But never the level of anything described above.
> >
> >Oh, come on Chris. Don't dispel the mystique.
>
> Why not?
>
> I get a bit irritated when people who have only been to Berkeley Bowl
> ONCE spout off about it being this horrible place. Plus, I have never
> ever heard it called Berkeley Brawl.

From:

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/22/local/me-bowl22

"In the tiny parking lot, nicknamed the Berkeley Brawl, frustrated
motorists have been known to ram one another's cars."

I know Serene likes to walk. Did you perhaps walk there with her, and
miss this fun?

:-)

> Maybe I am missing something,
> but it was always one of my favorite markets in the sfba, and I never
> found it to be as described by notbob, or those articles. And as I
> said before, I was a very regular shopper there.

For those of you not local, you should note that the people who say BB
is OK either live here or used to live here. The newspaper reports
bashing the place are all from a paper 400 miles away!

There seems to be some dispute about notbob's level of experience with
the place.

I've never been there, but after all this, you can bet we'll be checking
it out. It's about an hour's drive, but it's where our daughter lives
and she does most of her shopping at BB.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
>> I agree with the issue of "sampling" fruit. However, preferences in
>> sugar and cream in coffee vary widely.
> No, but there are those that will take advantage. Worked with a fellow
> once who would fill his pockets with "free" paper matches, after dinner
> mints, individually wrapped toothpicks, etc. After all, they were "free."
> A restaurant cashier finally told him that they really only expected
> people to take one of each, not double hands full. Didn't slow him up at
> all. I suspect he was emptying the "free" sugars and creamers at the table
> into his pockets too.

I know someone who told me that when a group of his friends were in their
early twenties, they all shared an apartment. When they ran out of toilet
paper, they would go to their favorite pizza parlor for dinner and steal all
the toilet paper. They thought it was funny, but who would think that
paying for pizza for five young men was a good way to restock the bathroom?

I also know a young lady that worked at Taco Bell a couple of years ago.
Several times a year the employees would find that someone had stolen one of
the bins of hot sauce, one time they even saw a young college-age man walk
in, grab the bin, and walk out without even trying to hide what he was
doing. As it was late at night, and only women were working that night,
they just let him go, rather than try to stop him.

Nova

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:54:21 -0700, Christine Dabney
> wrote:

>Plus, I have never ever heard it called Berkeley Brawl.

I haven't either, but hey... whatever it takes to keep the naysayers
away.



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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:18:31 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:


>I know Serene likes to walk. Did you perhaps walk there with her, and
>miss this fun?
No, I always drove.

>For those of you not local, you should note that the people who say BB
>is OK either live here or used to live here. The newspaper reports
>bashing the place are all from a paper 400 miles away!

Yes, that's true. Most people have difficulty with the parking, which
can be truly atrocious. I must admit, much of the time, I could pull
into the handicapped places....
>
>There seems to be some dispute about notbob's level of experience with
>the place.
He has only been there once, AFAIK.
>
>I've never been there, but after all this, you can bet we'll be checking
>it out. It's about an hour's drive, but it's where our daughter lives
>and she does most of her shopping at BB.

Bring money It's a great place to shop. I miss the olive bar, and
the bread section. And the produce section. Actually the whole darn
place!!

Christine
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