On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:39:37 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:33:41 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas
> > wrote:
>
>>sf > wrote in news:ht54n4pisljjg1c0u7ocjshoa07ra2rg57@
>>4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:30:34 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas
>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I can only hope that he has a *VERY* good staff backing him.
>>>>
>>> I'm sure the White House cooks can handle it.
>>>>
>>>>(ie, the ones that tell him what decisions to make.)
>>>
>>> We elected someone who can think for himself this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>ROFLMAO!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Yeah, right!!
>
> I don't care what you think about us.
>
> I didn't even know what you called your Australian "leader" without
> looking it up. He's a Prime Minister, which makes it sound like you're
> in church a lot.

It also makes him the leader of the Government, rather than the
"Australian leader" as he's not a Head of State.

> I don't know his name, but I do know that he's of no
> importance on the international scene...

He'd like to be

> and I've heard he's in a lot of
> trouble over there in Australia.

Actually, and somewhat inexplicably, he's very popular.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=649813

"Mr Rudd's personal approval rating has shot up 10 percentage points to
71 per cent, making it the highest rating he has received.

"It puts him second only to Bob Hawke as the nation's most popular prime
minister in the 36-year history of the poll."

> Deal with your own shit before you
> sling it at us.

I doubt Lucas could tell you the number of Members of the United States
Senate without first looking it up. And I doubt his knowledge of U.S.
politics in general extends much further than the names of the major
figures.

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-01-17, Jean B. > wrote:
>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_89826.html
>>
>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
>> do this on Tuesday. And why? Because I feel like celebrating in
>> my own small way.
>
> Like everything about BO, it's totally non-committal. Turkey or beef?
> Kidney beans? Basil!?
>
> It's gonna be a sad four years.
>
> nb
>
>
Non-committal? I'd be more inclined to call it flexibility, but hey,
whatever floats your boat.

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:40:48 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
>>> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. Turns
>>> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
>>> grits, and his own chili. His recipe is available at:
>>>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_89826.html
>>>
>>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
>>> do this on Tuesday. And why? Because I feel like celebrating in
>>> my own small way.
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>> I always like to see other people's chili recipes. Unlike the Chili Cookoff
>> folks who have a set of rules and personal stringent guidlines, the rest of
>> us make chili the way we like it, the way Mom made it, in general the way it
>> was made where we grew up. Very little tomato in Obama's -- not sure I
>> would like it that way. But then my chili can vary by what is growing in
>> the garden and what is in the cupboard.
>> Janet
>
> it's more public relations than anything else. wingers would scream if he
> used exotic dried peppers or the like and call it further evidence he's
> some kind of 'elitist,' as if that's a sin.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>
>
Exactly; I've wondered for quite a while now why so many people think
there's something wrong with striving for excellence.

"flitterbit" > wrote
> >
> Exactly; I've wondered for quite a while now why so many people think
> there's something wrong with striving for excellence.

This is why I quite working for the government, where you are "showing
everyone else up" if you strive for excellence and achieve it.

On Jan 18, 12:40*pm, flitterbit > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:40:48 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> >> Jean B. wrote:
> >>> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
> >>> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. *Turns
> >>> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
> >>> grits, and his own chili. *His recipe is available at:
>
> >>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...recipe_n_89826.....
>
> >>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
> >>> do this on Tuesday. *And why? *Because I feel like celebrating in
> >>> my own small way.
> >>> --
> >>> Jean B.
> >> I always like to see other people's chili recipes. *Unlike the Chili Cookoff
> >> folks who have a set of rules and personal stringent guidlines, the rest of
> >> us make chili the way we like it, the way Mom made it, in general the way it
> >> was made where we grew up. *Very little tomato in Obama's -- not sure I
> >> would like it that way. *But then my chili can vary by what is growing in
> >> the garden and what is in the cupboard.
> >> Janet
>
> > it's more public relations than anything else. *wingers would scream if he
> > used exotic dried peppers or the like and call it further evidence he's
> > some kind of 'elitist,' as if that's a sin.
>
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> *>
> *>
> Exactly; I've wondered for quite a while now why so many people think
> there's something wrong with striving for excellence.

There's nothing wrong with striving for excellence. However, it's my
belief that most folks like to eat the foods that they enjoyed when
they were growing up. Mr. Obama stated that he would like to go to
Zippy's or Rainbow Drive Inn when he was in Hawaii. I doubt this was a
public relations ploy or putting up a folksy front for the crowd. The
reality is that you can't get this food anywhere else in the world.
I'm sure that's true with most folks that have a taste for their foods
they had when they were growing up - you have to go home to get it.

OTOH, the foods you enjoyed as a kid has little to do with one's
striving for excellence even though they are plain and simple. I
remember going to the tiny Baskins-Robbins store on the corner of
Punahou and S. King street years ago that Barack Obama used to work
and remember a tall, enthusiastic black kid that stuck out like a sore
thumb. It would have been tough to believe that a black kid from
Hawaii could be president but that's where we stand today.

What you guys should remember is that Barack Obama is not really a
black guy - he's a hapa dude. Typically those folks will be able to
identify with the cultures of both parents but not really feel truly a
part of either. Of course, he also has much experience with the Asian
cultures too, having grown up in Hawaii. So it seems that the US has
picked as it's president it's first multi-cultural leader - this outta
get interesting.

"Horry" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:39:37 -0800, sf wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:33:41 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>sf > wrote in news:ht54n4pisljjg1c0u7ocjshoa07ra2rg57@
>>>4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:30:34 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I can only hope that he has a *VERY* good staff backing him.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm sure the White House cooks can handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>>(ie, the ones that tell him what decisions to make.)
>>>>
>>>> We elected someone who can think for himself this time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>ROFLMAO!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, right!!
>>
>> I don't care what you think about us.
>>
>> I didn't even know what you called your Australian "leader" without
>> looking it up. He's a Prime Minister, which makes it sound like you're
>> in church a lot.
>
> It also makes him the leader of the Government, rather than the
> "Australian leader" as he's not a Head of State.
>
>> I don't know his name, but I do know that he's of no
>> importance on the international scene...
>
> He'd like to be
>
>> and I've heard he's in a lot of
>> trouble over there in Australia.
>
> Actually, and somewhat inexplicably, he's very popular.
>
> http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=649813
>
> "Mr Rudd's personal approval rating has shot up 10 percentage points to
> 71 per cent, making it the highest rating he has received.
>
> "It puts him second only to Bob Hawke as the nation's most popular prime
> minister in the 36-year history of the poll."
>
>> Deal with your own shit before you
>> sling it at us.
>
> I doubt Lucas could tell you the number of Members of the United States
> Senate without first looking it up. And I doubt his knowledge of U.S.
> politics in general extends much further than the names of the major
> figures.

If it involves military hero-worshiping Peter Lucas is your man.
Hence his preoccupation with John McCain.

"dsi1" > wrote
>What you guys should remember is that Barack Obama is not really a
>black guy - he's a hapa dude. Typically those folks will be able to
>identify with the cultures of both parents but not really feel truly a
>part of either. Of course, he also has much experience with the Asian
>cultures too, having grown up in Hawaii. So it seems that the US has
>picked as it's president it's first multi-cultural leader - this outta
>get interesting.

Excellent points, all.

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:40:57 -0800, sf wrote:
> >
> >> On 18 Jan 2009 03:28:19 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Susan > : in
> >>>
> >>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
> >>>> cook.
> >>> That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
> >>> recipe.
> >>>
> >> We didn't elect him as head cook, we elected him President.
> >
> > the obamas are keeping the current white house chef on the job. i
> > understand this is the usual practice. (naturally, they will be telling
> > her what kinds of food they like to eat.)
> >
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> I wonder just how much he and the family will be able to eat
> "normal" food?
>
> --
> Jean B.

As much as they care to. State dinners are an exception and Bush had
fewer of those than most presidents anyway.
Mrs Bush's social secretary apparently wanted the previous White House
chef to cook recipes from Martha Stewart's magazines and books. He
resigned after that... Mrs Bush never told him anything like that but
apparently didn't care that the secretary did.

Presumably the current chef has been studying what the Obamas and
children like to eat. Any professional would do the same.

On Jan 17, 11:01*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. *Turns
> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
> grits, and his own chili. *His recipe is available at:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...recipe_n_89826....
>
> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
> do this on Tuesday. *And why? *Because I feel like celebrating in
> my own small way.

I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. Did make
a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:

Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
of. Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
peppers)
Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
Added a couple of bay leaves.
Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
Added a pinch of hing for the gas.

Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
;-)
We liked it.

maxine in ri

maxine in ri wrote:

>
> I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. Did make
> a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:
>
> Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
> of. Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
> subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
> peppers)
> Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
> Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
> Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
> Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
> Added a couple of bay leaves.
> Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
> Added a pinch of hing for the gas.
>
> Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
> ;-)
> We liked it.
>
> maxine in ri


Cripes, you changed everything but the name!
Glad you all liked it, or someone would have blamed it on Obama.
;-)

gloria p

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:06:15 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>sf > news >rec.food.cooking
>
>> On 18 Jan 2009 03:28:19 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>Susan > : in
>>>
>>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
>>>> cook.
>>>
>>>That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
>>>recipe.
>>>
>> We didn't elect him as head cook, we elected him President.
>
>I'm still not impressed with his chili recipe. Regardless of the fact we
>elected him.
>

You don't have to, but I can tell you right now there are a lot of
people who actually *like* chili that way. I'm not talking about each
and every little ingredient, I'm talking about the big picture. A
huge portion of chili eaters like their chili with beans and a lot of
them like their chili not only with beans but made with ground turkey
instead of beef.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
Chemiker > wrote:

> >Maybe - or maybe the beef alternative was put there to keep
> >unimaginative (meaning no deviating from the written recipe) red meat
> >fans happy.
>
> Uh, right. You don't like cholesterol? Leave out the red meat.
> Substitute cucumbers.
>
> Alex

Zucchini works better as a meat substitute imho.

YMMV as always.
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

In article
>,
dsi1 > wrote:

> On Jan 18, 12:40*pm, flitterbit > wrote:
> > blake murphy wrote:
> > > On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:40:48 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:
> >
> > >> Jean B. wrote:
> > >>> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
> > >>> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. *Turns
> > >>> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
> > >>> grits, and his own chili. *His recipe is available at:
> >
> > >>>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...s-chili-recipe n 89826....
> >
> > >>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
> > >>> do this on Tuesday. *And why? *Because I feel like celebrating in
> > >>> my own small way.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Jean B.
> > >> I always like to see other people's chili recipes. *Unlike the Chili
> > >> Cookoff
> > >> folks who have a set of rules and personal stringent guidlines, the rest
> > >> of
> > >> us make chili the way we like it, the way Mom made it, in general the
> > >> way it
> > >> was made where we grew up. *Very little tomato in Obama's -- not sure I
> > >> would like it that way. *But then my chili can vary by what is growing
> > >> in
> > >> the garden and what is in the cupboard.
> > >> Janet
> >
> > > it's more public relations than anything else. *wingers would scream if
> > > he
> > > used exotic dried peppers or the like and call it further evidence he's
> > > some kind of 'elitist,' as if that's a sin.
> >
> > > your pal,
> > > blake
> >
> > *>
> > *>
> > Exactly; I've wondered for quite a while now why so many people think
> > there's something wrong with striving for excellence.
>
> There's nothing wrong with striving for excellence. However, it's my
> belief that most folks like to eat the foods that they enjoyed when
> they were growing up. Mr. Obama stated that he would like to go to
> Zippy's or Rainbow Drive Inn when he was in Hawaii. I doubt this was a
> public relations ploy or putting up a folksy front for the crowd. The
> reality is that you can't get this food anywhere else in the world.
> I'm sure that's true with most folks that have a taste for their foods
> they had when they were growing up - you have to go home to get it.
>
> OTOH, the foods you enjoyed as a kid has little to do with one's
> striving for excellence even though they are plain and simple. I
> remember going to the tiny Baskins-Robbins store on the corner of
> Punahou and S. King street years ago that Barack Obama used to work
> and remember a tall, enthusiastic black kid that stuck out like a sore
> thumb. It would have been tough to believe that a black kid from
> Hawaii could be president but that's where we stand today.
>
> What you guys should remember is that Barack Obama is not really a
> black guy - he's a hapa dude. Typically those folks will be able to
> identify with the cultures of both parents but not really feel truly a
> part of either. Of course, he also has much experience with the Asian
> cultures too, having grown up in Hawaii. So it seems that the US has
> picked as it's president it's first multi-cultural leader - this outta
> get interesting.

Maybe we finally elected a President that actually has a clu'...
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> Presumably the current chef has been studying what the Obamas and
> children like to eat. Any professional would do the same.

I agree. When I'm cooking for an "Audience", it does not matter what _I_
like or prefer. I can make myself a separate meal. To date tho', I've
never had to do that. <g>
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

In article
>,
maxine in ri > wrote:

> On Jan 17, 11:01*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> > As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
> > something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. *Turns
> > out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
> > grits, and his own chili. *His recipe is available at:
> >
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...s-chili-recipe n 89826....
> >
> > This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
> > do this on Tuesday. *And why? *Because I feel like celebrating in
> > my own small way.
>
> I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. Did make
> a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:
>
> Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
> of. Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
> subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
> peppers)
> Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
> Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
> Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
> Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
> Added a couple of bay leaves.
> Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
> Added a pinch of hing for the gas.
>
> Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
> ;-)
> We liked it.
>
> maxine in ri

<snicker>
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:08:29 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:40:57 -0800, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On 18 Jan 2009 03:28:19 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Susan > : in
>>>>
>>>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
>>>>> cook.
>>>> That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
>>>> recipe.
>>>>
>>> We didn't elect him as head cook, we elected him President.
>>
>> the obamas are keeping the current white house chef on the job. i
>> understand this is the usual practice. (naturally, they will be telling
>> her what kinds of food they like to eat.)
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> I wonder just how much he and the family will be able to eat
> "normal" food?

as far as i know, they can request whatever they like. i'm guessing,
though, if they ask for mac 'n' cheese, it won't be from a box.

so yes, 'normal' food, but probably very well-prepared. if they *must*
have box macaroni, the living quarters has a kitchen.

your pal,
blake

sf > wrote in newsvs5n4dj25ojhg1n2m69k5t0vm7mvvaghu@
4ax.com:


>>>>I can only hope that he has a *VERY* good staff backing him.
>>>>(ie, the ones that tell him what decisions to make.)
>>>
>>> We elected someone who can think for himself this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>ROFLMAO!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>Yeah, right!!
>
> I don't care what you think about us.



That's good dreary, because neither do I.




>
> I didn't even know what you called your Australian "leader" without
> looking it up. He's a Prime Minister, which makes it sound like
> you're in church a lot.


LOL!!! One can see why you're a 'special' school teacher.


Mainstream schools would totally **** you, wouldn't they? *Tooooooo*
much learnin' to go to one of those, hey?



> I don't know his name,


Most dumbasses wouldn't.

According to dumbasses like you, there's no world outside the USA,
right?



> but I do know that
> he's of no importance on the international scene...


And this is from your contacts at the Pentagon, right?? ROFLMFAO!!!!



> and I've heard
> he's in a lot of trouble over there in Australia.


It seems to me you're throwing a lot of innuendo, and no substantial
fact around, trying to blow smoke up everyones ass.

Typical of you.


You *really* should leave the schoolyard antics at school, don't you
think?



> Deal with your own
> shit before you sling it at us.
>
>


Seems you've got your tits all in a tangle because I *dared* to say
something about your token black president.

As a 'current' *******, your previous 'hate all men' stance was quite
obvious.

Why the change??

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


"And where is the Prince who can afford to so cover his country with
troops for its defense, as that ten thousand men descending from the
clouds, might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief, before
a force could be brought together to repel them?"

Benjamin Franklin 1748

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:24:43 -0600, modom (palindrome guy) wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:56:36 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:40:48 -0700, Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>
>>> Jean B. wrote:
>>>> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
>>>> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. Turns
>>>> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
>>>> grits, and his own chili. His recipe is available at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...e_n_89826.html
>>>>
>>>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
>>>> do this on Tuesday. And why? Because I feel like celebrating in
>>>> my own small way.
>>>> --
>>>> Jean B.
>>>
>>> I always like to see other people's chili recipes. Unlike the Chili Cookoff
>>> folks who have a set of rules and personal stringent guidlines, the rest of
>>> us make chili the way we like it, the way Mom made it, in general the way it
>>> was made where we grew up. Very little tomato in Obama's -- not sure I
>>> would like it that way. But then my chili can vary by what is growing in
>>> the garden and what is in the cupboard.
>>> Janet
>>
>>it's more public relations than anything else. wingers would scream if he
>>used exotic dried peppers or the like and call it further evidence he's
>>some kind of 'elitist,' as if that's a sin.
>>
> It's élitist, Blake, élitist.

you've been reading a little too much of *the new yorker*. try to be more
coöperative.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:04:23 -0500, Jean B. wrote:

> aem wrote:
>> On Jan 17, 10:50 am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>>> On Jan 17, 10:54 am, Chemiker > wrote:> On Sat, 17 Jan >
>>>> Well, I can safely say he ain't from Texas. Except for the missing
>>>> cinnamon, this could pass for Skyline. They eat funny up there.
>>> . . .
>>> Whoa! That ain't even CLOSE to Cincinnati Chili! Where's the
>>> chocolate, the coffee, the 27 other ingredients? Over RICE? With
>>> TURKEY? I love Obama, but I thought he was supposed to be a Foodie.
>>> That recipe sounds like it was written by a spinmeister to keep the
>>> health nuts happy!
>>
>> Not Texas chili, not Cincinnati chili, not the kind of chili you spend
>> weekend hours creating. I'd say it's a typical middle of the road
>> fast weeknight 'let's throw together something that reminds us of
>> chili' dish. IOW the kind of thing that's made all the time in
>> kitchens all around the country. -aem
>
> I looked this us because I wondered whether it was like such
> recipes our moms might have made. The vinegar is very different
> (for me, anyway). I guess I have one foot in each chili camp with
> the one mom made (with beans, tomatoes, etc.) being a comfort
> food, and the "more-authentic" ones being something else.

i don't think vinegar is that out-of-the way in chili. it's used in the
recipe i usually work from.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:27:48 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "Jean B." > : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>> Susan > : in
>>> rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
>>>> cook.
>>>
>>> That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
>>> recipe.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>> For me, it's not a matter of being impressed.
>
> What is it a matter of? I'm going to make his chili on Tuesday not
> expecting to be impressed
>
> Michael

i'm waiting to be impressed with his inaugural speech. maybe he'll start
with a joke:

'a *** episcopal bishop, a batshit crazy preacher, and a magic negro walk
into pennsylvania avenue...'

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:27:48 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
> > "Jean B." > : in
> > rec.food.cooking
> >
> >> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> >>> Susan > : in
> >>> rec.food.cooking
> >>>
> >>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
> >>>> cook.
> >>>
> >>> That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
> >>> recipe.
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >> For me, it's not a matter of being impressed.
> >
> > What is it a matter of? I'm going to make his chili on Tuesday not
> > expecting to be impressed
> >
> > Michael
>
> i'm waiting to be impressed with his inaugural speech. maybe he'll start
> with a joke:
>
> 'a *** episcopal bishop, a batshit crazy preacher, and a magic negro walk
> into pennsylvania avenue...'
>
> your pal,
> blake

Or the joke about the two blond genies. <eg>

At this point in time, I'm willing to give Obama the benefit of the
doubt. He can't be any worse than what we just finished with!
I just pray he keeps his promises.

Thank the gods for term limits.

Now if we could just get that for Senators and Congressmen...
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

On Jan 18, 9:48*pm, Gloria P > wrote:
> maxine in ri wrote:
>
> > I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. *Did make
> > a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:
>
> > Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
> > of. *Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
> > subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
> > peppers)
> > Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
> > Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
> > Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
> > Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
> > Added a couple of bay leaves.
> > Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
> > Added a pinch of hing for the gas.
>
> > Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
> > ;-)
> > We liked it.
>
> > maxine in ri
>
> Cripes, you changed everything but the name!
> Glad you all liked it, or someone would have blamed it on Obama.
> ;-)
>

I've said it befo I'm incapableof following a recipe. To me, they
all cry out for something else.

maxine in newton, MA

On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:19:17 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:08:29 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> I wonder just how much he and the family will be able to eat
>> "normal" food?
>
>as far as i know, they can request whatever they like. i'm guessing,
>though, if they ask for mac 'n' cheese, it won't be from a box.
>
>so yes, 'normal' food, but probably very well-prepared. if they *must*
>have box macaroni, the living quarters has a kitchen.
>
Don't forget, if they want food from the blue box - grandma's there to
make it for them. The official cook won't need to bother.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Arri London wrote:
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:40:57 -0800, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18 Jan 2009 03:28:19 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Susan > : in
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have every confidence in the prez elect as a leader, but none as a
>>>>>> cook.
>>>>> That's my take on it too I am not at all impressed with the chili
>>>>> recipe.
>>>>>
>>>> We didn't elect him as head cook, we elected him President.
>>> the obamas are keeping the current white house chef on the job. i
>>> understand this is the usual practice. (naturally, they will be telling
>>> her what kinds of food they like to eat.)
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>> I wonder just how much he and the family will be able to eat
>> "normal" food?
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> As much as they care to. State dinners are an exception and Bush had
> fewer of those than most presidents anyway.
> Mrs Bush's social secretary apparently wanted the previous White House
> chef to cook recipes from Martha Stewart's magazines and books. He
> resigned after that... Mrs Bush never told him anything like that but
> apparently didn't care that the secretary did.
>
> Presumably the current chef has been studying what the Obamas and
> children like to eat. Any professional would do the same.

Good. Looking at that Senate luncheon menu made me wonder. I'd
hate to eat like that a lot of the time.

--
Jean B.

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:01 am, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> As an offshoot of another thread, I thought I'd rather cook
>> something that isn't glitzy, something that Obama enjoys. Turns
>> out he is reported to like takeout from a pizzeria, shrimp and
>> grits, and his own chili. His recipe is available at:
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...recipe_n_89826....
>>
>> This deviates from MY chili in a number of ways, but I might just
>> do this on Tuesday. And why? Because I feel like celebrating in
>> my own small way.
>
> I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. Did make
> a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:
>
> Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
> of. Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
> subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
> peppers)
> Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
> Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
> Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
> Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
> Added a couple of bay leaves.
> Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
> Added a pinch of hing for the gas.
>
> Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
> ;-)
> We liked it.
>
> maxine in ri

Heh! You know I saw this elsewhere. I am happy to have that
feedback ere I go shopping today. (I was just digging out.)

I have never thought of using hing in chili.... Is it discernable?

--
Jean B.

blake murphy wrote:
> as far as i know, they can request whatever they like. i'm guessing,
> though, if they ask for mac 'n' cheese, it won't be from a box.
>
> so yes, 'normal' food, but probably very well-prepared. if they *must*
> have box macaroni, the living quarters has a kitchen.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Well THAT'S good to know.

--
Jean B.

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:04:23 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> aem wrote:
>>> On Jan 17, 10:50 am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>>>> On Jan 17, 10:54 am, Chemiker > wrote:> On Sat, 17 Jan >
>>>>> Well, I can safely say he ain't from Texas. Except for the missing
>>>>> cinnamon, this could pass for Skyline. They eat funny up there.
>>>> . . .
>>>> Whoa! That ain't even CLOSE to Cincinnati Chili! Where's the
>>>> chocolate, the coffee, the 27 other ingredients? Over RICE? With
>>>> TURKEY? I love Obama, but I thought he was supposed to be a Foodie.
>>>> That recipe sounds like it was written by a spinmeister to keep the
>>>> health nuts happy!
>>> Not Texas chili, not Cincinnati chili, not the kind of chili you spend
>>> weekend hours creating. I'd say it's a typical middle of the road
>>> fast weeknight 'let's throw together something that reminds us of
>>> chili' dish. IOW the kind of thing that's made all the time in
>>> kitchens all around the country. -aem
>> I looked this us because I wondered whether it was like such
>> recipes our moms might have made. The vinegar is very different
>> (for me, anyway). I guess I have one foot in each chili camp with
>> the one mom made (with beans, tomatoes, etc.) being a comfort
>> food, and the "more-authentic" ones being something else.
>
> i don't think vinegar is that out-of-the way in chili. it's used in the
> recipe i usually work from.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I have never had it in chili. I DO like vinegar, so it might be
interesting.

--
Jean B.

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Jan 18, 9:48 pm, Gloria P > wrote:
>> maxine in ri wrote:
>>
>>> I tried this recipe (well, sort of) and the family liked it. Did make
>>> a few changes for preferences and what what on hand:
>>> Quadrupled the seasonings, except for the chili powder which I was out
>>> of. Used 1/2 tsp chipotle pepper.
>>> subbed shallots for the green pepper (kidlet doesn't like cooked
>>> peppers)
>>> Used TVP instead of the ground meat, and an extra teaspoon of oil.
>>> Used a tsp of salt which was not called for in the recipe.
>>> Used a 15 oz can of diced tomatoes, since no fresh ones on hand
>>> Used 2 cups of frozen black eyed peas instead of can of kidney beans
>>> Added a couple of bay leaves.
>>> Added 3 oz tomato paste and a half cup of vegetable broth
>>> Added a pinch of hing for the gas.
>>> Otherwise, it was the exact same recipe....
>>> ;-)
>>> We liked it.
>>> maxine in ri
>> Cripes, you changed everything but the name!
>> Glad you all liked it, or someone would have blamed it on Obama.
>> ;-)
>>
>
> I've said it befo I'm incapableof following a recipe. To me, they
> all cry out for something else.
>
> maxine in newton, MA

Oh, that is MA. How long are you going to be there? Do you know
NE Mobile Book Fair...? :-)

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:04:23 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>>
>>> aem wrote:
>>>> On Jan 17, 10:50 am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 17, 10:54 am, Chemiker > wrote:>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan >
>>>>>> Well, I can safely say he ain't from Texas. Except for the missing
>>>>>> cinnamon, this could pass for Skyline. They eat funny up there.
>>>>> . . .
>>>>> Whoa! That ain't even CLOSE to Cincinnati Chili! Where's the
>>>>> chocolate, the coffee, the 27 other ingredients? Over RICE? With
>>>>> TURKEY? I love Obama, but I thought he was supposed to be a Foodie.
>>>>> That recipe sounds like it was written by a spinmeister to keep the
>>>>> health nuts happy!
>>>> Not Texas chili, not Cincinnati chili, not the kind of chili you spend
>>>> weekend hours creating. I'd say it's a typical middle of the road
>>>> fast weeknight 'let's throw together something that reminds us of
>>>> chili' dish. IOW the kind of thing that's made all the time in
>>>> kitchens all around the country. -aem
>>> I looked this us because I wondered whether it was like such recipes
>>> our moms might have made. The vinegar is very different (for me,
>>> anyway). I guess I have one foot in each chili camp with the one mom
>>> made (with beans, tomatoes, etc.) being a comfort food, and the
>>> "more-authentic" ones being something else.
>>
>> i don't think vinegar is that out-of-the way in chili. it's used in the
>> recipe i usually work from.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> I have never had it in chili. I DO like vinegar, so it might be
> interesting.

When making chili, if I am cooking 3 pounds of meat, I will use about 2
tablespoons of vinegar.

Becca

On Jan 19, 1:39*pm, "Jean B." > wrote:

> I have never thought of using hing in chili.... *Is it discernable?
>
> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -

Not in the least. And it must have worked--my digestion has been very
quiet today.

<G>

maxine in newton

On Jan 19, 1:44*pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
> maxine in ri wrote:
> > maxine in newton, MA
>
> Oh, that is MA. *How long are you going to be there? *Do you know
> NE Mobile Book Fair...? *:-)
>
> Jean B.-

I'm just here til 6:30 or so when my sister comes home. Her regular
aide called in sick so I'm Mom-sitting. Will be here over the weekend
if you're headed for the Book Fair. More off-line.

maxine in newton

Lucas is hitting the bottle *again*
Notice his true attitude towards women.

"PeterLucas" > wrote in message
.25...
> sf > wrote in newsvs5n4dj25ojhg1n2m69k5t0vm7mvvaghu@
> 4ax.com:
>
>
>>>>>I can only hope that he has a *VERY* good staff backing him.
>>>>>(ie, the ones that tell him what decisions to make.)
>>>>
>>>> We elected someone who can think for himself this time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>ROFLMAO!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Yeah, right!!
>>
>> I don't care what you think about us.
>
>
>
> That's good dreary, because neither do I.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I didn't even know what you called your Australian "leader" without
>> looking it up. He's a Prime Minister, which makes it sound like
>> you're in church a lot.
>
>
> LOL!!! One can see why you're a 'special' school teacher.
>
>
> Mainstream schools would totally **** you, wouldn't they? *Tooooooo*
> much learnin' to go to one of those, hey?
>
>
>
>> I don't know his name,
>
>
> Most dumbasses wouldn't.
>
> According to dumbasses like you, there's no world outside the USA,
> right?
>
>
>
>> but I do know that
>> he's of no importance on the international scene...
>
>
> And this is from your contacts at the Pentagon, right?? ROFLMFAO!!!!
>
>
>
>> and I've heard
>> he's in a lot of trouble over there in Australia.
>
>
> It seems to me you're throwing a lot of innuendo, and no substantial
> fact around, trying to blow smoke up everyones ass.
>
> Typical of you.
>
>
> You *really* should leave the schoolyard antics at school, don't you
> think?
>
>
>
>> Deal with your own
>> shit before you sling it at us.
>>
>>
>
>
> Seems you've got your tits all in a tangle because I *dared* to say
> something about your token black president.
>
> As a 'current' *******, your previous 'hate all men' stance was quite
> obvious.
>
> Why the change??
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
>
> "And where is the Prince who can afford to so cover his country with
> troops for its defense, as that ten thousand men descending from the
> clouds, might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief, before
> a force could be brought together to repel them?"
>
> Benjamin Franklin 1748

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:08:29 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>
> > blake murphy wrote:

<snip>

> >
> > I wonder just how much he and the family will be able to eat
> > "normal" food?
>
> as far as i know, they can request whatever they like. i'm guessing,
> though, if they ask for mac 'n' cheese, it won't be from a box.
>
> so yes, 'normal' food, but probably very well-prepared. if they *must*
> have box macaroni, the living quarters has a kitchen.
>
> your pal,
> blake


Given the personal wealth of the Obamas, doubt seriously the kids have
even ever eaten any of the blue box stuff, other than at someone else's
house. Or does the family have a reputation for eating that way?

Becca wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:04:23 -0500, Jean B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> aem wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 17, 10:50 am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>>>>>> On Jan 17, 10:54 am, Chemiker > wrote:>
>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan >
>>>>>>> Well, I can safely say he ain't from Texas. Except for the missing
>>>>>>> cinnamon, this could pass for Skyline. They eat funny up there.
>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>> Whoa! That ain't even CLOSE to Cincinnati Chili! Where's the
>>>>>> chocolate, the coffee, the 27 other ingredients? Over RICE? With
>>>>>> TURKEY? I love Obama, but I thought he was supposed to be a Foodie.
>>>>>> That recipe sounds like it was written by a spinmeister to keep the
>>>>>> health nuts happy!
>>>>> Not Texas chili, not Cincinnati chili, not the kind of chili you spend
>>>>> weekend hours creating. I'd say it's a typical middle of the road
>>>>> fast weeknight 'let's throw together something that reminds us of
>>>>> chili' dish. IOW the kind of thing that's made all the time in
>>>>> kitchens all around the country. -aem
>>>> I looked this us because I wondered whether it was like such recipes
>>>> our moms might have made. The vinegar is very different (for me,
>>>> anyway). I guess I have one foot in each chili camp with the one
>>>> mom made (with beans, tomatoes, etc.) being a comfort food, and the
>>>> "more-authentic" ones being something else.
>>>
>>> i don't think vinegar is that out-of-the way in chili. it's used in the
>>> recipe i usually work from.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> I have never had it in chili. I DO like vinegar, so it might be
>> interesting.
>
> When making chili, if I am cooking 3 pounds of meat, I will use about 2
> tablespoons of vinegar.
>
> Becca
>
Well, tomorrow chili (or "chili") will be different, that's for
sure. I did collect the ingredients today....

--
Jean B.

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Jan 19, 1:39 pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> I have never thought of using hing in chili.... Is it discernable?
>>
>> Jean B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Not in the least. And it must have worked--my digestion has been very
> quiet today.
>
> <G>
>
> maxine in newton

I will try that then. Thanks for the tip. Do you put hing in all
of your legume preparations?

--
Jean B.

maxine in ri wrote:
> On Jan 19, 1:44 pm, "Jean B." > wrote:
>> maxine in ri wrote:
>>> maxine in newton, MA
>> Oh, that is MA. How long are you going to be there? Do you know
>> NE Mobile Book Fair...? :-)
>>
>> Jean B.-
>
> I'm just here til 6:30 or so when my sister comes home. Her regular
> aide called in sick so I'm Mom-sitting. Will be here over the weekend
> if you're headed for the Book Fair. More off-line.
>
> maxine in newton

[received and replied]

--
Jean B.

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:51:18 GMT, "peninsula" > wrote:

>Lucas is hitting the bottle *again*
>Notice his true attitude towards women.

Obviously he's arguing with so many people, he can't keep them
straight.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf > wrote in news:0bkan4hvu24hs49vml113efa9gb3762os1@
4ax.com:

> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:51:18 GMT, "peninsula" > wrote:
>

>
> Obviously he's arguing with so many people, he can't keep them
> straight.
>
>


And obviously, the fact that you have to resort to talking to one of the
worst stalker/trolls there is, shows everyone what sort of person you
*really* are.

But aside from that, "Obviously he's arguing with so many people"???

I'm not "arguing" with anyone. I stated some *facts* to you, and showed
you that you're a complete dumbass, and you obviously don't like that.


But anyways, here's your new found 'buddy' in most of it's identities.
I'm sure you'll have a captive audience with it.


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--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


"And where is the Prince who can afford to so cover his country with
troops for its defense, as that ten thousand men descending from the
clouds, might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief, before
a force could be brought together to repel them?"

Benjamin Franklin 1748

On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 04:37:02 +0000 (UTC), PeterLucas
> wrote:

>sf > wrote in news:0bkan4hvu24hs49vml113efa9gb3762os1@
>4ax.com:
>>
>> Obviously he's arguing with so many people, he can't keep them
>> straight.
>
>And obviously, the fact that you have to resort to talking to one of the
>worst stalker/trolls there is, shows everyone what sort of person you
>*really* are.

Yeah, right.
>
>But aside from that, "Obviously he's arguing with so many people"???
>
>I'm not "arguing" with anyone. I stated some *facts* to you, and showed
>you that you're a complete dumbass, and you obviously don't like that.
>
You're as full of bullshit as you've ever been.
>
>But anyways, here's your new found 'buddy' in most of it's identities.
>I'm sure you'll have a captive audience with it.
>
Apparently I'm so important to you that I rock your world with every
word. I should charge a fee.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

How can they be the worst trolls there are when all they are doing is
picking on Peter Lucas?

"PeterLucas" > wrote in message
.25...
> sf > wrote in news:0bkan4hvu24hs49vml113efa9gb3762os1@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:51:18 GMT, "peninsula" > wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> Obviously he's arguing with so many people, he can't keep them
>> straight.
>>
>>
>
>
> And obviously, the fact that you have to resort to talking to one of the
> worst stalker/trolls there is, shows everyone what sort of person you
> *really* are.
>
> But aside from that, "Obviously he's arguing with so many people"???
>
> I'm not "arguing" with anyone. I stated some *facts* to you, and showed
> you that you're a complete dumbass, and you obviously don't like that.
>
>
> But anyways, here's your new found 'buddy' in most of it's identities.
> I'm sure you'll have a captive audience with it.
>
>
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> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
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> "And where is the Prince who can afford to so cover his country with
> troops for its defense, as that ten thousand men descending from the
> clouds, might not in many places do an infinite deal of mischief, before
> a force could be brought together to repel them?"
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> Benjamin Franklin 1748