http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156737.html


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...em_n_156737.ht
> ml

Neat stuff. :-)

I think that'd be a very fun job. Cooking for important people...

There is a retired Whitehouse Chef that runs a small place in Sedona
Arizona.

He made the most divine Escargot! :-d
Mom and I were the only ones there at the moment since they'd just
opened for lunch and the chef came out and sat with us at the table
while we ate.

Wonderful memory. :-) I wish I had pics. <sigh>

Please don't ask me his name. I honestly don't remember.

I DO remember the snails (I later bought some Escargot dishes like the
ones he used) and the "death by chocolate" dessert he made...
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> sf > : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...rd-to-rem_n_15
>> 6737.html
>
> Nice article. Apparently Laura Bush promoted her to chef just recently. I
> think it's really great the Obama tribe will keep her on.
>
> Michael
>
The article mentions she took this head chef job back in 2005. I even
recall it being a thread here on RFC. She's just staying on for the
Obama's, which I think was the point of the link sf shared.

On 25 Jan 2009 13:04:16 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> sf > : in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...rd-to-rem_n_15
>> 6737.html
>
> Nice article. Apparently Laura Bush promoted her to chef just recently. I
> think it's really great the Obama tribe will keep her on.
>
> Michael

i gathered from an article in the *washington post* that it's customary for
the chefs to stay on. it's not like she's the attorney general or
something.

but what's with laura's expression in the third photo of the huffpost
article?

your pal,
blake

On 25 Jan 2009 20:43:38 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>blake murphy >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> i gathered from an article in the *washington post* that it's
>> customary for the chefs to stay on. it's not like she's the attorney
>> general or something.
>>
>> but what's with laura's expression in the third photo of the huffpost
>> article?
>
>Who knows with Laura Bush? I've seen so little of her during the Bush
>Administration I have a hard time reading her facial expression. Or maybe
>I should say her usual lack of expression.
>
She looked to me like she was stifling a laugh. Who knows why they
picked that horrible picture to publish? It wasn't complimentary to
any of them.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156737.html
>
>
> --
> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>
> Mae West

I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act of
God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
parsley or a pound of butter.

In article >,
"Kswck" > wrote:
> I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
> that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
> down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act of
> God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
> parsley or a pound of butter.

I wonder how much produce waste happens because of that. Say you
misjudge and wind up with too much of something that's not going to be
on the menu for a week or two * does it go home with the chef or the
Secret Service crew? Does the chef cook lunch for the SS day shift?
What happens to the leftovers?
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
http://gallery.me.com/barbschaller/100041
-- a woman my age shouldn't
have this much fun!

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Kswck" > wrote:
> > I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
> > that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
> > down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act of
> > God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
> > parsley or a pound of butter.
>
> I wonder how much produce waste happens because of that. Say you
> misjudge and wind up with too much of something that's not going to be
> on the menu for a week or two * does it go home with the chef or the
> Secret Service crew? Does the chef cook lunch for the SS day shift?
> What happens to the leftovers?
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ



Those things are typically kitchen perqs; the staff gets to use and eat
it.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:09:55 -0500, "Kswck" >
wrote:

>God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
>parsley or a pound of butter.

I think they need to set up a self sustaining kitchen. Put in a
greenhouse for heaven's sake! How hard is it to grow parsley?
Pasture a milking cow on the white house lawn... you know where the
milk came from and house made butter from that. TaDa! Problem
solved.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:09:55 -0500, Kswck wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156737.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
>> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>>
>> Mae West
>
> I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
> that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
> down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act of
> God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
> parsley or a pound of butter.

but if you're in the express lane behind someone with a cart full of stuff,
the secret service can whisk them off to gitmo.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:43:18 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:09:55 -0500, Kswck wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156737.html
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
>>> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
>>>
>>> Mae West
>>
>> I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
>> that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
>> down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act of
>> God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
>> parsley or a pound of butter.
>
>but if you're in the express lane behind someone with a cart full of stuff,
>the secret service can whisk them off to gitmo.

I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?

Lou

On Jan 25, 12:43*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> blake murphy :in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > i gathered from an article in the *washington post* that it's
> > customary for the chefs to stay on. *it's not like she's the attorney
> > general or something.
>
> > but what's with laura's expression in the third photo of the huffpost
> > article?
>
> Who knows with Laura Bush? I've seen so little of her during the Bush
> Administration I have a hard time reading her facial expression. *Or maybe
> I should say her usual lack of expression.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> “He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
> words.” * * * * * * * * * * *
> * * * * * * * * * * * ~Elbert Hubbard
>
> You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Kswck" > wrote:
>> I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who said
>> that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just run
>> down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an act
>> of
>> God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
>> parsley or a pound of butter.
>
> I wonder how much produce waste happens because of that. Say you
> misjudge and wind up with too much of something that's not going to be
> on the menu for a week or two * does it go home with the chef or the
> Secret Service crew? Does the chef cook lunch for the SS day shift?
> What happens to the leftovers?
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.me.com/barbschaller
> http://gallery.me.com/barbschaller/100041
> -- a woman my age shouldn't
> have this much fun!

This particular chef cooked for Bush 1 and Clinton. He said that Clinton
loved leftovers-the greasier the better.

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:43:18 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:09:55 -0500, Kswck wrote:
> >
> >> "sf" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>>
> >>>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156737.html
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
> >>> interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.
> >>>
> >>> Mae West
> >>
> >> I heard an interview on NPR Radio from a former White House chef who
said
> >> that the most frustrating about cooking there is that you can't just
run
> >> down to the store for an ingredient you just ran out of. It takes an
act of
> >> God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
> >> parsley or a pound of butter.
> >
> >but if you're in the express lane behind someone with a cart full of
stuff,
> >the secret service can whisk them off to gitmo.
>
> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>


Those Gitmo detainees would be a *vast* improvement over many of the DC
dwellers...


--
Best
Greg

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:28:24 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:09:55 -0500, "Kswck" >
>wrote:
>
>>God, the FBI and professional chemical testers to get another bunch of
>>parsley or a pound of butter.
>
>I think they need to set up a self sustaining kitchen. Put in a
>greenhouse for heaven's sake! How hard is it to grow parsley?
>Pasture a milking cow on the white house lawn... you know where the
>milk came from and house made butter from that. TaDa! Problem
>solved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/31/di...prod=permalink

"This meant that nearly all the product used was obtained from local
growers and suppliers. There was a small garden on the roof of the
White House where produce was grown.

"The ethic of the purchasing and the cooking at the White House under
my direction and under the continuing direction of Cris Comerford is
one of respect for the pedigree of the product and manner it is grown,
gathered, raised or caught."

An excerpt from a letter to the NY Times by Walter Scheib, White House
chef 1994-2005

http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2...tive-chef.html

"All purchasing for the White House kitchen is done anonymously and
randomly for security reasons. They [the Secret Service] don't want
anyone to know where the food comes from. We bought from whomever we
wanted to, and if anyone ever publicized that they were selling to us,
we cut them off."

An excerpt from an interview with Scheib.
--
modom

ambitious when it comes to fiddling with meat

In article >,
Lou Decruss > wrote:

> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
> Lou

I thought they've already moved.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
http://gallery.me.com/barbschaller/100041
-- a woman my age shouldn't
have this much fun!

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:56:12 -0800 (PST), merryb >
wrote:

>On Jan 25, 12:43*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>> blake murphy :in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>
>>
>> > i gathered from an article in the *washington post* that it's
>> > customary for the chefs to stay on. *it's not like she's the attorney
>> > general or something.
>>
>> > but what's with laura's expression in the third photo of the huffpost
>> > article?
>>
>> Who knows with Laura Bush? I've seen so little of her during the Bush
>> Administration I have a hard time reading her facial expression. *Or maybe
>> I should say her usual lack of expression.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> --
>> “He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
>> words.” * * * * * * * * * * *
>> * * * * * * * * * * * ~Elbert Hubbard
>>
>> You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com
>
>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!

She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.

Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.

Lou

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:33:37 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>Lou Decruss wrote:

>> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?

>Those Gitmo detainees would be a *vast* improvement over many of the DC
>dwellers...

I can't say as I've never been there. I don't plan on going there
until Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber win over the whitehouse. I
won't bother comparing Joe's tax issue to the current head of the IRS
because there's still too many readers here under the influence of the
obama pixie dust.

Lou

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:34:27 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Lou Decruss > wrote:
>
>> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>
>> Lou
>
>I thought they've already moved.

No those creeps moved from Chicago.

Lou

Lou wrote:

>>> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
>> Those Gitmo detainees would be a *vast* improvement over many of the DC
>> dwellers...
>
> I can't say as I've never been there. I don't plan on going there
> until Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber win over the whitehouse.

One thing to note is that our relations toward Cuba appear to be warming
with Obama in the White House. It's entirely conceivable that Guantanamo Bay
could become a tourist destination in the next four years.

I *have* been to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and it's gorgeous. If the
detention camp and the base were closed and the lease were terminated, I can
see the Cuban government trying to turn it into a world-class resort. I can
also see corruption causing that effort to flop.

Bob

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:15:24 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:33:37 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>>> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
>>Those Gitmo detainees would be a *vast* improvement over many of the DC
>>dwellers...
>
> I can't say as I've never been there. I don't plan on going there
> until Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber win over the whitehouse. I
> won't bother comparing Joe's tax issue to the current head of the IRS
> because there's still too many readers here under the influence of the
> obama pixie dust.
>
> Lou

i hope the republicans *do* run caribou barbie and joe the almost-plumber.
they'd get beat even worse than her and mcgrampa were.

your pal,
bl;ake

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:56:12 -0800 (PST), merryb >
> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 25, 12:43*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>>> blake murphy :in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > i gathered from an article in the *washington post* that it's
>>> > customary for the chefs to stay on. *it's not like she's the attorney
>>> > general or something.
>>>
>>> > but what's with laura's expression in the third photo of the huffpost
>>> > article?
>>>
>>> Who knows with Laura Bush? I've seen so little of her during the Bush
>>> Administration I have a hard time reading her facial expression. *Or maybe
>>> I should say her usual lack of expression.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> --
>>> “He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
>>> words.” * * * * * * * * * * *
>>> * * * * * * * * * * * ~Elbert Hubbard
>>>
>>> You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com
>>
>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!
>
> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
> neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
> how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.
>
> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>
> Lou

i would need something a lot stronger than valium.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:17 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

>>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!
>>
>> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
>> neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
>> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
>> how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
>> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
>> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.
>>
>> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>>
>> Lou
>
>i would need something a lot stronger than valium.

I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. But If my spouse
provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
need valium. I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
though. It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.

Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?

Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
loose from detention.

OB: had crispy duck at my favorite Chinese joint for lunch today with
enough left over for a respectable dinner.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> > fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
> Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
> habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
> screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
> loose from detention.
>

Ship them off to the Frogs! they deserve them


> OB: had crispy duck at my favorite Chinese joint for lunch today with
> enough left over for a respectable dinner.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>
> --
>
> "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
> old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
> waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."
>
> - Duncan Hines
>
> To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"
>
>
>
>

In article >, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>loose from detention.

They probably still believe all that stuff you Yanks told us about
those people being "The worst of the worst." ;-)

>OB: had crispy duck at my favorite Chinese joint for lunch today with
>enough left over for a respectable dinner.

The new Chink joint in this town now has very good roast duck on the
menu. As we remember it, the old place still has the edge in terms of
many items on the menu; but the new one is definitely better for duck,
and they have a larger range of squid dishes. (The latter may mean
more to you than to me. :-)

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

(Phred) wrote in
:

> In article >, Terry Pulliam
> Burd > wrote:
>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>
>>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>>loose from detention.
>
> They probably still believe all that stuff you Yanks told us about
> those people being "The worst of the worst." ;-)
>


I heard the other day that 4 out of 5 inmates that have already been
released have gone back to terrorist groups.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


Soldati, io esco da Roma. Chi vuole continuare la guerra contro lo
straniero venga con me. Non posso offrigli ne¤ onori ne¤ stipendi; gli
offro fame, sete, marce forzate, battaglie e morte. Chi ama la Patria mi
segua.

—Garibaldi, Giuseppe

"Peter-Lucas" > wrote in message
.25...
> (Phred) wrote in
> :
>
>> In article >, Terry Pulliam
>> Burd > wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>
>>>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>>
>>>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>>>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>>>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>>>loose from detention.
>>
>> They probably still believe all that stuff you Yanks told us about
>> those people being "The worst of the worst." ;-)
>>
>
>
> I heard the other day that 4 out of 5 inmates that have already been
> released have gone back to terrorist groups.
>
>
You heard it so it *Must* be true.
Or do you just hope it is true?

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> > fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
> Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
> habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
> screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
> loose from detention.


Yeah, and the Yerpeens SURE don't want to take them in, lol...


--
Best
Greg

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:01:33 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:15:24 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:33:37 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>>> I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>
>>>Those Gitmo detainees would be a *vast* improvement over many of the DC
>>>dwellers...
>>
>> I can't say as I've never been there. I don't plan on going there
>> until Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber win over the whitehouse. I
>> won't bother comparing Joe's tax issue to the current head of the IRS
>> because there's still too many readers here under the influence of the
>> obama pixie dust.
>>
>> Lou
>
>i hope the republicans *do* run caribou barbie and joe the almost-plumber.
>they'd get beat even worse than her and mcgrampa were.

I'm sure you know I was kidding. A lot can / will happen in the next
few years. You may remember I was originally very impressed with
Obama. But after things starting coming out I lost enthusiasm. If I
can change my opinion so can others. I can also change my mind again.
Who can really know what shape we'll be in 4 years from now. Or even
in two years when that election comes up. Many people vote on issues
and trust, not by party.

Lou

On 29 Jan 2009 02:12:21 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> wrote:

>blake murphy >
: in rec.food.cooking
>
>>> I can't say as I've never been there. I don't plan on going there
>>> until Sarah Palin and Joe the plumber win over the whitehouse. I
>>> won't bother comparing Joe's tax issue to the current head of the IRS
>>> because there's still too many readers here under the influence of
>>> the obama pixie dust.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>> i hope the republicans *do* run caribou barbie and joe the
>> almost-plumber. they'd get beat even worse than her and mcgrampa were.
>>
>> your pal,
>> bl;ake
>
>I agree Blake. I hope they do run in '12. Ms. Caribou is the Democratic
>party's cheapest campaign ad. All she has to do is speak.

Many people feel the same way about Hilliary.

Lou

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:17 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>>>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!
>>>
>>> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
>>> neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
>>> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
>>> how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
>>> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
>>> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.
>>>
>>> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>>i would need something a lot stronger than valium.
>
> I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. But If my spouse
> provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
> need valium. I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
> though. It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.
>
> Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function

yeah, the lifestyle is nice - but the politics require that she appear in
public with him and appear to actually like him.

bombay sapphire could work.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:27:30 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>
>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>loose from detention.

They'd be nice gardeners at the Whitehouse. Or janitors at the school
the Obama girls attend. That way the Secret Service can keep and eye
on them.

Lou

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:45 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:

> (Phred) wrote in
> :
>
>> In article >, Terry Pulliam
>> Burd > wrote:
>>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>
>>>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>>
>>>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>>>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>>>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>>>loose from detention.
>>
>> They probably still believe all that stuff you Yanks told us about
>> those people being "The worst of the worst." ;-)
>>
>
> I heard the other day that 4 out of 5 inmates that have already been
> released have gone back to terrorist groups.

bullshit.

Why bother to do fact checking when it is so much easier to just write
down whatever you are told? Every time I read or hear about the
ever-changing number of Guantánamo prisoners that have "returned to the
battlefield" I try to research this issue yet again. The Pentagon, Cheney,
Rumsfeld and various others have, at different times, claimed that 12, 4,
15, 10, 7 and even twenty-some Guantánamo prisoners have "returned to the
battlefield." The administration and the military frequently use this
"fact" to bolster their rationale for keeping the Guantánamo facility open.
However, when asked for the identities of these men things get a little
hazy... for some reason they don't want to tell us. They want us to just
trust them on this one... Been there, done that. Since the government
provides few specifics to support this claim it is hard to challenge them.
That should not mean however that journalists have to keep covering the
lies as though they are true.

I have only been able to find references to three named individuals who
have been identified as GTMO detainees "known" to have returned to
Afghanistan from Guantánamo and who "might" have returned to the
battlefield. Two of those names came from government officials (on several
different occasions) and the third seems to have come from an individual
claiming to have been at Guantánamo. The three names a Haji Shahzada;
Abdullah Mehsud; and Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar. The government claims that the
detainees who "returned to the battlefield" effectively lied their way out
of Guantánamo. According to "reports" these three men were purportedly
released pretty early on (before lawyers were allowed to represent any
detainees). Maybe it is just me but I found it hard to believe that some of
the men "tricked" the U.S. into releasing them, so I finally did the
research.

Haji Shahzada: Shahzada is frequently mentioned as reportedly captured or
killed in battle in 2004 after being released in 2003. Various sources
reported in 2004 that a "Mullah Shahzada", a Taliban field commander,
convinced the Americans that he had renounced violence, and was released in
May 2003. This is unlikely since Shahzada was still in Guantánamo in 2004
and was not released until 2005 after having been found not to be an enemy
combatant. The official list of detainees only lists a single Shahzada.

Abdullah Mehsud was supposedly released from GTMO in 2004 but Mehsud' name
does not appear on the official lists of Guantánamo detainees, nor does his
alias 'Noor Alam.' It seems the only person suggesting that Mehsud was at
Guantánamo was Mehsud himself. Mehsud has reportedly bragged about getting
released from Guantánamo but it seems more likely that he was never there.

The third name we have is Maulvi Abdul Ghaffar. Ghaffar has been mentioned
by Vice President Cheney after being pressed to name at least one of the
detainees who was found back on the battlefield. Cheney said that Maulvi
was an example of a former GTMO detainee who rejoined the Taliban and was
killed on the battlefield in September, 2004. Maulvi's name is also not on
the official list of detainees. There are similar names on the list, there
is an Abdul Ghaffar and an Abdul Ghafour, however, neither of these
detainees had been released at the time of Maulvi's Abdul Ghaffar's
reported combat death in September, 2004.

Another factor that suggests that these numbers are made up is the way the
administration describes the numbers as "between five and ten" "five or
ten" "a dozen or more" "some". If they actually knew the identities you
would expect them to be able to count and tell us exactly how many. The
truth of the matter is that the administration cannot name one individual
who has been released from Guantánamo that was found on the battlefield,
dead or alive. In the buildup to the Iraq war, the Bush team discovered
that even the most fanciful claims would be reported as fact when delivered
forcefully and with authority. The American people have caught on to Bush's
M.O. and newsrooms are becoming more skeptical. Still, when it comes to
Guantánamo, the government's B.S. is still reported as fact.

<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-candace-gorman-/return-to-the-battlefield_b_43344.html>

In a press briefing on March 6, 2007 a "Senior Defense official" commented:

I can tell you that we have confirmed 12 individuals have returned to
the fight, and we have strong evidence that about another dozen have
returned to the fight.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_released_Guantanamo_prisoners_who_allegedl y_returned_to_battle>

Sixty-one detainees released from the U.S. Navy base prison in Cuba are
believed to have rejoined the fight, said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell,
citing data from December. That's up from 37 as of March 2008, he said.

The new figures come as President-elect Barack Obama prepares to issue an
executive order during his first week in office to close the controversial
prison. It's unlikely, however, that the Guantanamo detention facility will
be closed anytime soon as Obama weighs what to do with the estimated 250
al-Qaida, Taliban or other foreign fighter suspects still there.

About 520 Guantanamo detainees have been released from custody or
transferred to prisons elsewhere in the world.

<http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705277399,00.html>

....so even if you take the pentagon figures as gospel, no way is it 'four
out of five.'

blake

On Jan 29, 8:03*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:17 GMT, blake murphy
> > > wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> >>>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that clown!!
>
> >>> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
> >>> neighborhood. *She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. *She's so
> >>> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
> >>> how to and traveled the world on your dime. *She'll never have a money
> >>> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
> >>> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will. *
>
> >>> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>
> >>> Lou
>
> >>i would need something a lot stronger than valium.
>
> > I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. *But If my spouse
> > provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
> > need valium. *I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
> > though. *It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.
>
> > Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function
>
> yeah, the lifestyle is nice - but the politics require that she appear in
> public with him and appear to actually like him.
>
> bombay sapphire could work.
>
> your pal,
> blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you think she actually likes him? Wonder if they are like Bill &
Hill? There's one sour relationship- at least the Obamas seem to
genuinely like & respect each other...

blake murphy wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:41:45 +0000 (UTC), Peter-Lucas wrote:
>
>
(Phred) wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>>In article >, Terry Pulliam
>>>Burd > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:50:50 -0600, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I thought gitmo was closing and all the residents were moving to DC?
>>>>
>>>>Ironically, after the EU spent years screaming about the "detainees'"
>>>>habeas corpus rights, etc., while ensconced at Gitmo, they are now
>>>>screaming that the US must ensure the detainees' whereabouts once cut
>>>>loose from detention.
>>>
>>>They probably still believe all that stuff you Yanks told us about
>>>those people being "The worst of the worst." ;-)
>>>
>>
>>I heard the other day that 4 out of 5 inmates that have already been
>>released have gone back to terrorist groups.
>
>
> bullshit.
<snip>

Damn it. Blake. How dare you go dragging facts into the discussion!

merryb wrote:

On Jan 29, 8:03 am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:17 GMT, blake murphy
> > > wrote:
>
> >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> >>>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that
clown!!
>
> >>> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
> >>> neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
> >>> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
> >>> how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
> >>> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
> >>> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.
>
> >>> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>
> >>> Lou
>
> >>i would need something a lot stronger than valium.
>
> > I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. But If my spouse
> > provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
> > need valium. I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
> > though. It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.
>
> > Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function
>
> yeah, the lifestyle is nice - but the politics require that she appear in
> public with him and appear to actually like him.
>
> bombay sapphire could work.
>
> your pal,
> blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Do you think she actually likes him? Wonder if they are like Bill &
Hill? There's one sour relationship- at least the Obamas seem to
genuinely like & respect each other...
-----------------------

GM replies:

Laura and the Shrub seem to genuinely like each other...

The Clintoons were *made* for each other - in HELL...!!!

The Obamas appear to like each other...

I would like to be in the company of either the Obamas or the Bushes...and I
wouldn't **** on the Impeached Scumbag or Former First Bitch if they were on
fire.


--
Best
Greg

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:03:39 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:

>> I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. But If my spouse
>> provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
>> need valium. I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
>> though. It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.
>>
>> Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function
>
>yeah, the lifestyle is nice - but the politics require that she appear in
>public with him and appear to actually like him.

If you watched something other than msnbc you'd have a different
incite.

>bombay sapphire could work.

It always does.

Lou

On Jan 29, 9:27*am, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> merryb wrote:
>
> On Jan 29, 8:03 am, blake murphy > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:34:25 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
> > > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:03:17 GMT, blake murphy
> > > > wrote:
>
> > >>On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:35:08 -0600, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> > >>>>She probably takes a ton of valium to be able to live with that
> clown!!
>
> > >>> She gets to retire in a 3 million dollar home in a beautiful
> > >>> neighborhood. She hasn't had to cook or clean in 8 years. She's so
> > >>> shy she told George she would never speak in public yet she learned
> > >>> how to and traveled the world on your dime. She'll never have a money
> > >>> worry for the rest of her life. She raised two beautiful daughters.
> > >>> She'll never have to work a day again, but she will.
>
> > >>> Yep,,,,I can see why she'd need valium to live that life.
>
> > >>> Lou
>
> > >>i would need something a lot stronger than valium.
>
> > > I wouldn't want to live with the guy either. But If my spouse
> > > provided me with the lifestyle she's going to have I sure wouldn't
> > > need valium. I probably would enjoy a few more Bombay Sapphires
> > > though. It might make it easier to ignore the misgramarifications.
>
> > > Lou <----having a problem with the mispellcheckerfication function
>
> > yeah, the lifestyle is nice - but the politics require that she appear in
> > public with him and appear to actually like him.
>
> > bombay sapphire could work.
>
> > your pal,
> > blake- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Do you think she actually likes him? Wonder if they are like Bill &
> Hill? There's one sour relationship- at least the Obamas seem to
> genuinely like & respect each other...
> -----------------------
>
> GM replies:
>
> Laura and the Shrub seem to genuinely like each other...
>
> The Clintoons were *made* for each other - in HELL...!!!
>
> The Obamas appear to like each other...
>
> I would like to be in the company of either the Obamas or the Bushes...and I
> wouldn't **** on the Impeached Scumbag or Former First Bitch if they were on
> fire.
>
> --
> Best
> Greg- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, I might on her- I kinda feel sorry for her...

blake wrote on Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:32:09 GMT:

> Why bother to do fact checking when it is so much easier to just write
>down whatever you are told?

Apparently there are serious doubts about the story of children being
killed in a UN school in Gaza: http://tinyurl.com/cmru8y (From the
Toronto Globe and Mail) Tho' Israel did not help itself by the way it
denied the story.



--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not