The Ham Place
 

While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".

It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
inside a counter and about 20 stools.

They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.

Breakfast; Ham and eggs of your choice.
Lunch; Ham Sammich ( about 2" thick, on rye )
Pea soup with ham
Bean soup with ham.

The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.

The place is packed with customers
from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.

What a simple business plan !
Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
I wish more eaterys were like that.

The Ham Place
 

<RJ> said...

> While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> Breakfast; Ham and eggs of your choice.
> Lunch; Ham Sammich ( about 2" thick, on rye )
> Pea soup with ham
> Bean soup with ham.
>
> The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> The place is packed with customers
> from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> What a simple business plan !
> Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> I wish more eaterys were like that.


RJ,

Pea soup!!!

There was a food TV segment about a restaurant in New York City that only
sells peanut butter sandwiches of every design.

Something sounds so wrong with the idea but it's pretty successful or so it
seems.

Best,

Andy

The Ham Place
 

On Jan 27, 12:52�am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
> While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> Breakfast; �Ham and eggs of your choice.
> Lunch; � �Ham Sammich �( about 2" thick, on rye )
> � � � � � � � � �Pea soup with ham
> � � � � � � � � �Bean soup with ham.
>
> The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> The place is packed with customers
> from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> What a simple business plan !
> Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> I wish more eaterys were like that.

Reviews:
http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586


There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. His trailer is permanently set
up on blocks. There is no inside service, all take out from a
window. There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
port-a-potties. He's been there a lotta years, always a line.

The Ham Place
 

On Jan 27, 7:02�am, Andy > wrote:
> <RJ> said...
>
>
>
>
>
> > While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> > my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> > It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> > inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> > They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> > Breakfast; �Ham and eggs of your choice.
> > Lunch; � �Ham Sammich �( about 2" thick, on rye )
> > � � � � � � � � �Pea soup with ham
> > � � � � � � � � �Bean soup with ham.
>
> > The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> > The place is packed with customers
> > from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> > What a simple business plan !
> > Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> > I wish more eaterys were like that.
>
> RJ,
>
> Pea soup!!!
>
> There was a food TV segment about a restaurant in New York City that only
> sells peanut butter sandwiches of every design.
>
> Something sounds so wrong with the idea but it's pretty successful or so it
> seems.

What about The Soup Nazi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_Nazi

The Ham Place
 

Sheldon said...

> What about The Soup Nazi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_Nazi


That was a stupid/sick episode! The least funny Seinfeld.

Andy

The Ham Place
 

Sheldon wrote:

> NYC is famous for its street venders... there's a guy near where I live
> that runs his one man operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr
> selling nothing but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks.

Okay, let's do the math:

Start out with the statement that the guy nets $200,000 per year.

Let's assume that taxes take away about 45% of his adjusted gross income.
That would make his adjusted gross income somewhere around $450,000 per
year.

Let's also assume he makes a 200% profit on his raw ingredients, i.e., hot
dogs, buns, potatoes, and so forth. That would make his actual gross income
$1,350,000.

So if the restaurant is open 365 days a year it takes in about $3700 per
day.

I could believe that for SOME days, but not for EVERY day, especially in the
backwoods part of the country where Sheldon now lives.

I think it's most likely that no street vendor would give Sheldon the time
of day, let alone share data about his personal income, and Sheldon just
made the whole thing up.


Bob

The Ham Place
 

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 12:52?am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
> While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> Breakfast; ?Ham and eggs of your choice.
> Lunch; ? ?Ham Sammich ?( about 2" thick, on rye )
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Pea soup with ham
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bean soup with ham.
>
> The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> The place is packed with customers
> from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> What a simple business plan !
> Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> I wish more eaterys were like that.

Reviews:
http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586


There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. His trailer is permanently set
up on blocks. There is no inside service, all take out from a
window. There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
port-a-potties. He's been there a lotta years, always a line.


Ah, dirty water dogs n hot sausages. Seems the dumpier the place is, the
more people online for it.
One of the best ever hot dog stands was Grace's-on the access road between
the LIE and Sunrise highway(cant remember the name of the road now). So many
people stopped there-probably the last decent food between the Hamptons and
NYC-the town issued summonses for the traffic jams they caused.
Grace's finally closed down and opened in a building down the street, but
they were never the same. The building's empty now.

The Ham Place
 

Andy wrote:

>> What about The Soup Nazi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soup_Nazi
>
> That was a stupid/sick episode! The least funny Seinfeld.

I'd have to say that the least funny Seinfeld was the series finale. It
truly sucked the monster cheroot.

Bob

The Ham Place
 

"Bob Terwilliger" wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
> > NYC is famous for its street venders... there's a guy near where I live
> > that runs his one man operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr
> > selling nothing but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks.
>
> Okay, let's do the math:
>
> Start out with the statement that the guy nets $200,000 per year.
>
> Let's assume that taxes take away about 45% of his adjusted gross income.
> That would make his adjusted gross income somewhere around $450,000 per
> year.
>
> Let's also assume he makes a 200% profit on his raw ingredients, i.e., hot
> dogs, buns, potatoes, and so forth. That would make his actual gross income
> $1,350,000.

Your math sucks.

A 200pct mark up on his raw ingredients is a dumb assumption... he's
selling hot dogs and spuds... Last I looked he got $2 a dog, probably
more by now, that's more like 1,000pct mark up, maybe better on
spuds... and it's a cash business and there are no receipts. most of
his custermers buy more than one dog, doesn't pay to stop and wait to
be served for less. The construction and utility worker vehicals are
there constantly, everyone stops there, it's the only fast food joint
for like ten miles.

People in these kind of businesses make a lot more money than most
people think. It's hard work and long hours but can be very
rewarding. When folks say they can't find work I always say they
don't want to work. This guy owns the lot and the trailer, his
overhead is just taxes, insurance, and utilities... utilities are very
little. He doesn't even advertise, doesn't need to, it's a landmark
on a heavily traveled county road.

> So if the restaurant is open 365 days a year it takes in about $3700 per
> day.

It's not a restaurant, it's a hot dog stand. I'll bet he pulls in
more than his aunt says.

> I could believe that for SOME days, but not for EVERY day, especially in the
> backwoods part of the country where Sheldon now lives.

I know that there are a couple of rfc regulars that live close enough
to know exactly the hot dog trailer I'm speaking of, they've probably
eaten there, I'll let them tell you ... you have some weird concept
about backwoods folks... the NYS Capital district is not all as
backwoods as you think.

> I think it's most likely that no street vendor would give Sheldon the time
> of day, let alone share data about his personal income, and Sheldon just
> made the whole thing up.

I know the fellow's aunt, in fact I was on the phone with her
yesterday and we were talking about how the real estate deal fell
through... there is a defunct Mobil station adjacent to the hot dog
trailer, her nephew was attemping to buy it to expand his business but
there was an issue of who would pay to clean up the toxic
contamination (the reason the gas station was shut down). His hot dog
trailer predates the Mobil station... the station was built I think in
1993.

I don't make stuff up... here is a picture of the Mobil station (from
the RE ad), the hot dog trailer is just out of the picture to the
left, those vehicals parked there are hot dog customers. Now that the
deal fell through for spite the Mobil station people fenced off the
entire station property with stanchions and chain so the hot dog
customers have less parking, parking is a big problem as the hot dog
guy owns a very small lot... this was all discussed in the
conversation I had yesterday, it was the first I heard that her nephew
was trying to buy that station... that Mobile station has been for
sale for like three years, in fact early on when it first came on the
market I considered buying it myself... I won't tell you why because
you won't believe me, and now that this deal fell through I still may
get to buy it.

http://i44.tinypic.com/wlq8w8.jpg

Next time I pass I will snap a few pics of the hot dog trailer.

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On Jan 27, 8:33�am, "Kswck" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 27, 12:52?am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> > my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> > It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> > inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> > They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> > Breakfast; ?Ham and eggs of your choice.
> > Lunch; ? ?Ham Sammich ?( about 2" thick, on rye )
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Pea soup with ham
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bean soup with ham.
>
> > The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> > The place is packed with customers
> > from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> > What a simple business plan !
> > Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> > I wish more eaterys were like that.
>
> Reviews:http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586
>
> There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
> venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
> operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
> but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. �His trailer is permanently set
> up on blocks. �There is no inside service, all take out from a
> window. �There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
> port-a-potties. �He's been there a lotta years, always a line.
>
> Ah, dirty water dogs n hot sausages. Seems the dumpier the place is, the
> more people online for it.
> One of the best ever hot dog stands was Grace's-on the access road between
> the LIE and Sunrise highway(cant remember the name of the road now). So many
> people stopped there-probably the last decent food between the Hamptons and
> NYC-the town issued summonses for the traffic jams they caused.
> Grace's finally closed down and opened in a building down the street, but
> they were never the same. The building's empty now.

Could've been the stand on Wm. Floyd Parkway. But there were such
stands on most of the major north-south main roads on Lung Guyland...
there was another on North Ocean Avenue, Farmingville.

The Ham Place
 

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 8:33?am, "Kswck" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 27, 12:52?am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> > my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> > It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> > inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> > They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> > Breakfast; ?Ham and eggs of your choice.
> > Lunch; ? ?Ham Sammich ?( about 2" thick, on rye )
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Pea soup with ham
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bean soup with ham.
>
> > The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> > The place is packed with customers
> > from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> > What a simple business plan !
> > Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> > I wish more eaterys were like that.
>
> Reviews:http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586
>
> There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
> venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
> operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
> but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. ?His trailer is permanently set
> up on blocks. ?There is no inside service, all take out from a
> window. ?There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
> port-a-potties. ?He's been there a lotta years, always a line.
>
> Ah, dirty water dogs n hot sausages. Seems the dumpier the place is, the
> more people online for it.
> One of the best ever hot dog stands was Grace's-on the access road between
> the LIE and Sunrise highway(cant remember the name of the road now). So
> many
> people stopped there-probably the last decent food between the Hamptons
> and
> NYC-the town issued summonses for the traffic jams they caused.
> Grace's finally closed down and opened in a building down the street, but
> they were never the same. The building's empty now.

Could've been the stand on Wm. Floyd Parkway. But there were such
stands on most of the major north-south main roads on Lung Guyland...
there was another on North Ocean Avenue, Farmingville.


At Exit 70

The Ham Place
 

"Sheldon" > wrote in message
...
On Jan 27, 8:33?am, "Kswck" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 27, 12:52?am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> > my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> > It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> > inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> > They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> > Breakfast; ?Ham and eggs of your choice.
> > Lunch; ? ?Ham Sammich ?( about 2" thick, on rye )
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Pea soup with ham
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bean soup with ham.
>
> > The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> > The place is packed with customers
> > from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> > What a simple business plan !
> > Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> > I wish more eaterys were like that.
>
> Reviews:http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586
>
> There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
> venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
> operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
> but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. ?His trailer is permanently set
> up on blocks. ?There is no inside service, all take out from a
> window. ?There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
> port-a-potties. ?He's been there a lotta years, always a line.
>
> Ah, dirty water dogs n hot sausages. Seems the dumpier the place is, the
> more people online for it.
> One of the best ever hot dog stands was Grace's-on the access road between
> the LIE and Sunrise highway(cant remember the name of the road now). So
> many
> people stopped there-probably the last decent food between the Hamptons
> and
> NYC-the town issued summonses for the traffic jams they caused.
> Grace's finally closed down and opened in a building down the street, but
> they were never the same. The building's empty now.

Could've been the stand on Wm. Floyd Parkway. But there were such
stands on most of the major north-south main roads on Lung Guyland...
there was another on North Ocean Avenue, Farmingville.

There are a few still out the Commack Rd in Deer Park-3 dogs w/kraut &
mustard and a soda $5, w/cheese, onions in tomato or chili-$5.50. Exit 70 On
Ramp. The one on William Floyd Parkway is gone I'm afraid. He retired, or so
I am told-used to be near Brookhaven Labs. As did the (really) fat lady in
Woodbury.

The Ham Place
 

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
...
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>> NYC is famous for its street venders... there's a guy near where I live
>> that runs his one man operation eatery from a trailer, he nets
>> $200,000/yr selling nothing but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks.
>
> Okay, let's do the math:
>
> Start out with the statement that the guy nets $200,000 per year.
>
> Let's assume that taxes take away about 45% of his adjusted gross income.
> That would make his adjusted gross income somewhere around $450,000 per
> year.
>
> Let's also assume he makes a 200% profit on his raw ingredients, i.e., hot
> dogs, buns, potatoes, and so forth. That would make his actual gross
> income $1,350,000.
>
> So if the restaurant is open 365 days a year it takes in about $3700 per
> day.
>
> I could believe that for SOME days, but not for EVERY day, especially in
> the backwoods part of the country where Sheldon now lives.
>
> I think it's most likely that no street vendor would give Sheldon the time
> of day, let alone share data about his personal income, and Sheldon just
> made the whole thing up.
>
>
> Bob
>
>

Don't kid yourself. A hot dog stand situated near a hospital, construction
site or on a main road makes a killing. Word of mouth is priceless.
Unless you have had a dirty water hot dog, you don't know what you are
talking about.
Baseball stadiums USED TO sell them. Now it's all steamed-bleah!
Markup? Even at store prices, $2 <assuming in bulk> pack of hot dogs-8 to a
pack, at $1 each.....Do your math again.

The Ham Place
 

Sheldon mewled:

> I don't make stuff up... here is a picture of the Mobil station (from
> the RE ad), the hot dog trailer is just out of the picture to the
> left, those vehicals parked there are hot dog customers. Now that the
> deal fell through for spite the Mobil station people fenced off the
> entire station property with stanchions and chain so the hot dog
> customers have less parking, parking is a big problem as the hot dog
> guy owns a very small lot... this was all discussed in the
> conversation I had yesterday, it was the first I heard that her nephew
> was trying to buy that station... that Mobile station has been for
> sale for like three years, in fact early on when it first came on the
> market I considered buying it myself... I won't tell you why because
> you won't believe me, and now that this deal fell through I still may
> get to buy it.
>
> http://i44.tinypic.com/wlq8w8.jpg
>
> Next time I pass I will snap a few pics of the hot dog trailer.


I could go out and take a picture of a hot dog stand too. That doesn't mean
the owner makes $200,000 per year.

You make stuff up all the time; I personally have caught you lying DOZENS of
times. Hey, remember those "gorgeous waterfront homes" in Belize that you
claimed to own? How come you're not there during these bitterly cold New
York winters? Oh wait, I know: It's because they DON'T REALLY EXIST! But I'm
sure you'll come up with a picture of a house by a river and claim that
since you can post a picture, you must own the building.

Bob

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On Jan 27, 12:41�pm, "Kswck" > wrote:
> "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
> On Jan 27, 8:33?am, "Kswck" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sheldon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
> > On Jan 27, 12:52?am, "<RJ>" > wrote:
>
> > > While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> > > my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
> > > It's a tiny cinder-block "diner",
> > > inside a counter and about 20 stools.
>
> > > They have FOUR items on the menu.... that's it.
>
> > > Breakfast; ?Ham and eggs of your choice.
> > > Lunch; ? ?Ham Sammich ?( about 2" thick, on rye )
> > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Pea soup with ham
> > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Bean soup with ham.
>
> > > The ham is superb, the portions are generous, the prices are fair.
>
> > > The place is packed with customers
> > > from morning 'til closing time at 3pm.
>
> > > What a simple business plan !
> > > Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
> > > I wish more eaterys were like that.
>
> > Reviews:http://www.mrbreakfast.com/r_display.asp?restid=1586
>
> > There are plenty of such eaterys... NYC is famous for its street
> > venders... there's a guy near where I live that runs his one man
> > operation eatery from a trailer, he nets $200,000/yr selling nothing
> > but hotdogs, fries, and soft drinks. ?His trailer is permanently set
> > up on blocks. ?There is no inside service, all take out from a
> > window. ?There are a few outdoor tables... for bathrooms there are two
> > port-a-potties. ?He's been there a lotta years, always a line.
>
> > Ah, dirty water dogs n hot sausages. Seems the dumpier the place is, the
> > more people online for it.
> > One of the best ever hot dog stands was Grace's-on the access road between
> > the LIE and Sunrise highway(cant remember the name of the road now). So
> > many
> > people stopped there-probably the last decent food between the Hamptons
> > and
> > NYC-the town issued summonses for the traffic jams they caused.
> > Grace's finally closed down and opened in a building down the street, but
> > they were never the same. The building's empty now.
>
> Could've been the stand on Wm. Floyd Parkway. �But there were such
> stands on most of the major north-south main roads on Lung Guyland...
> there was another on North Ocean Avenue, Farmingville.
>
> There are a few still out the Commack Rd in Deer Park-3 dogs w/kraut &
> mustard and a soda $5, w/cheese, onions in tomato or chili-$5.50. Exit 70 On
> Ramp. The one on William Floyd Parkway is gone I'm afraid. He retired, or so
> I am told-used to be near Brookhaven Labs. As did the (really) fat lady in
> Woodbury.

There are many of those roach coach lunch wagon things out there, some
are towed trailers, many are converted soft serve ice cream vans. The
thing is that there is a lot of money to be made in what on the
surface appears to be a miserable business. There is tremendous mark
up on basic food products, the trick to making a lot of money in the
food business is to find ways to circumvent the health codes and to
keep ones operating expenses low. The owner operator of a tube steak
stand can make more money than the owner of a fancy schmancy steak
house. If not for their selling booze most restaurants would fail...
but the only drinks a tube steak cart has to sell is canned soda...
they buy hotdogs for 20 cents and sell them for $2.... toss in a 5
cent bun and a schmear of mustard and it's nearly a thousand percent
mark up. The operating expenses are so low as to be nearly
negligible...the biggest overhead is free tube steak and soda for the
local cops.. out on the highway that's pretty cheap protection.
Anyone ever think why it is that Chinese take outs stay in business in
the same location year after year after year... and they do very
well... they have no formal education yet do better financially than a
medical doctor.

The Ham Place
 

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:52:30 -0700, "<RJ>" > wrote:

>What a simple business plan !
>Pick one thing, do it well, and charge a fair price.
>I wish more eaterys were like that.

You make me think of Dreamland BBQ back in the day. I'll transcribe
a friend's first experience the

"Can I have a menu?"
"I see this must be your first time. All we serve are ribs and
bread."

It seems like you could also get bags of chips at the time, too.

Now, they serve sides and chicken. Travesty!

Tara

The Ham Place
 

<RJ> wrote:
> While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
> my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".

It's called Mikes Famous Ham Place. Here's Google's Street View of the
"restaurant":

<http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=3700+Michigan+Avenue,+detroit+MI&fb=1&split=1& gl=us&cid=0,0,8131822615069163564&sa=X&oi=local_re sult&resnum=1&ct=image>

-sw

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:30:05 -0600, Sqwertz >
wrote:

><RJ> wrote:
>> While viviting Detroit for the holidays,
>> my nephew took me to "The Ham Place".
>
>It's called Mikes Famous Ham Place. Here's Google's Street View of the
>"restaurant":
>
><http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=3700+Michigan+Avenue,+detroit+MI&fb=1&split=1& gl=us&cid=0,0,8131822615069163564&sa=X&oi=local_re sult&resnum=1&ct=image>
>
>-sw

That's it.... that's the place.

There's another shop across the street
that supposedly sells killer Reubens.
( that'll be another lunch... another visit )