In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Sheldon > wrote:

> > You do realize that Barb will never again kiss you on the lips...
> > chard is beets.
>
> Chard is NOT beets!
>
> Geeze Shel' where do you come up with this crap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chard

"Chard (Beta vulgaris var. cicla), also known by the common names Swiss
Chard, Silverbeet, Perpetual Spinach, Crab Beet, Seakale Beet and
Mangold, is a vegetable and a Beta vulgaris subsp. maritima. While the
leaves are eaten, it is in the same species as the garden beet
(beetroot), which is grown primarily for its edible roots.

The word Swiss was used to distinguish chard from French spinach
varieties by nineteenth century seed catalog publishers. The chard is
very popular among Mediterranean cooks. The first varieties have been
traced back to Sicily.

Chard can be harvested while the leaves are young and tender or after
maturity when they are larger and have slightly tougher stems. Chard is
extremely perishable.

Chard has shiny green ribbed leaves, with stems that range from white to
yellow and red depending on the cultivar. It has a slightly bitter
taste. Fresh young chard can be used raw in salads. Mature chard leaves
and stalks are typically cooked or sauteed; the bitter flavor fades with
cooking.


Chard and the other beets are chenopods, a group which is either its own
family Chenopodiaceae or a subfamily within the Amaranthaceae."

I think that last sentence is pretty definitive, "Chard and the other
beets". No?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beet

"The beet (Beta vulgaris) is a plant in the amaranth family. It is best
known its numerous cultivated varieties, the most well known of which is
probably the red root vegetable known as the garden beet. However, other
cultivated varieties include the leaf vegetables chard"

I've grown both in my garden, and they do look a lot alike. That
doesn't mean that everybody will think that they taste alike.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
The Cook > wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:46:13 -0600, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article
> >,
> > Sheldon > wrote:
> >
> >> sf wrote:
> >> > Finally! ?I tried it and liked it. ?What's the secret, you ask? ?Salt!
> >> > Yep, just a little salt sprinkled on the leaves before steaming.
> >> > That's it! ?Salt covered up the characteristic bitterness of chard
> >> > that I don't like.
> >> >
> >> > Method
> >> >
> >> > Wash leaves, shake dry
> >> > Shred (one or two inches wide) with a knife
> >> > sprinkle with a minimum amount of salt and toss with your hands
> >> > Place in a cold pan with only the water still on the leaves
> >> > Cover
> >> > Turn up the heat and lightly steam
> >>
> >> You do realize that Barb will never again kiss you on the lips...
> >> chard is beets.
> >
> >Chard is NOT beets!
> >
> >Geeze Shel' where do you come up with this crap?
>
> From reading the scientific names of plants. Both are of the genus
> Beta.

And the same species Vulgaris.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
flitterbit > wrote:


> Actually, spinach, beets and Swiss chard are all members of the family
> Chenopodiaceae.

Perhaps this has been changed to Amaranthaceae? Wikipedia is not
consistent on this.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:

> > on the other hand, you probably eat duck feet, which i have yet to try.

> Don't underestimate duck feet Blake. :-d

I have to wonder. When I used to read about chicken feet, I always
pictured "toes" in my mind. Same thing with duck feet. But I've seen
chicken feet for sale. There are no toes and they are long and not
really that thin. Maybe duck feet are similar? There's a place in town
that sells duck feet. No pictures, though. They also sell duck
tongues, in a five pound bag!

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> No pictures, though. They also sell duck tongues, in a five pound bag!

A five pound bag of duck tongues? At an a ounce apiece, that's sixteen
ducks per pound of tongue or over eighty ducks. Oh, the humanity!

leo

In article
>,
Leonard Blaisdell > wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > No pictures, though. They also sell duck tongues, in a five pound bag!
>
> A five pound bag of duck tongues? At an a ounce apiece, that's sixteen
> ducks per pound of tongue or over eighty ducks. Oh, the humanity!

You want the feet? 30 pounds!

http://www.reichardtduckfarm.com/

Note that web page has not been updated since 2005.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> flitterbit > wrote:
>
>
>> Actually, spinach, beets and Swiss chard are all members of the family
>> Chenopodiaceae.
>
> Perhaps this has been changed to Amaranthaceae? Wikipedia is not
> consistent on this.
>
Could be; the book I was using was published in 1993.

In article
>,
Dan Abel > wrote:

> In article >,
> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > > on the other hand, you probably eat duck feet, which i have yet to try.
>
> > Don't underestimate duck feet Blake. :-d
>
> I have to wonder. When I used to read about chicken feet, I always
> pictured "toes" in my mind. Same thing with duck feet. But I've seen
> chicken feet for sale. There are no toes and they are long and not
> really that thin. Maybe duck feet are similar? There's a place in town
> that sells duck feet. No pictures, though. They also sell duck
> tongues, in a five pound bag!

I guess I could post my chicken feet pics again. <g>
I have pics of them both raw and cooked. I can get duck feet at the
Asian market. I've only ever eaten ones that I've prepared here when I
processed my own home grown ducks.
--
Peace! Om

"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
-Infantry Journal

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:53:28 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> flitterbit > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> flitterbit > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> >,
>>>>> Sheldon > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You do realize that Barb will never again kiss you on the lips...
>>>>>> chard is beets.
>>>>> Chard is NOT beets!
>>>>>
>>>>> Geeze Shel' where do you come up with this crap?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> Actually, spinach, beets and Swiss chard are all members of the family
>>>> Chenopodiaceae.
>>>
>>> But chard is still not a beet!
>>> I sure as hell don't get big, edible roots when I grow it.
>>> >
>>
>> No, not a beet, but definitely related; according to Rodale Press'
>> "Successful Organic Gardening" book on Vegetables, that Latin name for
>> beet is Beta vulgaris, Swiss chard's is Beta vulgaris var. cicla; common
>> names for Swiss chard are silverbeet and leaf beet. The chard I grow
>> produces a huge root, but I've never tried cooking it; might be
>> something to try
>>
>> There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
>> family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and kale.
>
> They may be related babe, but they are still not a beet dammit! ;-d

exactly. tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, bell peppers and tobacco are all in
the nightshade family, but they are not 'the same.'

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:37:54 GMT, James Silverton wrote:

> blake wrote on Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:24:14 GMT:
>
>>> sf wrote on Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0800:
>>>
>>>> Method
>>>
>>>> Wash leaves, shake dry
>>>> Shred (one or two inches wide) with a knife
>>>> sprinkle with a minimum amount of salt and toss with your
>>>> hands Place in a cold pan with only the water still on the
>>>> leaves Cover
>>>> Turn up the heat and lightly steam
>>>
>>>> Finally! I tried it and liked it.
>>>
>>> Didn't you say you liked spinach too? I'm not going to try.
>
>> james, you're such a stick-in-the-mud.
>
>> on the other hand, you probably eat duck feet, which i have
>> yet to try.
>
> I've seen chicken feet as one of the offerings for dim sum but there are
> limits even for me :-)

nuts, i thought for sure you would have gone for the duck's feet at joe's
noodle house.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:12:14 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article
> >,
> Leonard Blaisdell > wrote:
>
>> In article
>> >,
>> Dan Abel > wrote:
>>
>>> No pictures, though. They also sell duck tongues, in a five pound bag!
>>
>> A five pound bag of duck tongues? At an a ounce apiece, that's sixteen
>> ducks per pound of tongue or over eighty ducks. Oh, the humanity!
>
> You want the feet? 30 pounds!
>
> http://www.reichardtduckfarm.com/
>
> Note that web page has not been updated since 2005.

there is this pic of duck feet with black mushrooms:

<http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wokX5Am7ico/SLLpv4WeJ5I/AAAAAAAAANs/A1pMOwVXp5w/s1600-h/duck+feet+libbs.jpg>

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:52:33 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:46:44 GMT, James Silverton wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote on Sun, 01 Feb 2009 10:38:04 -0800:
>>>
>>>> Method
>>>
>>>> Wash leaves, shake dry
>>>> Shred (one or two inches wide) with a knife
>>>> sprinkle with a minimum amount of salt and toss with your
>>>> hands Place in a cold pan with only the water still on the
>>>> leaves Cover
>>>> Turn up the heat and lightly steam
>>>
>>>>Finally! I tried it and liked it.
>>>
>>> Didn't you say you liked spinach too? I'm not going to try.
>>
>> james, you're such a stick-in-the-mud.
>>
>> on the other hand, you probably eat duck feet, which i have yet to try.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Don't underestimate duck feet Blake. :-d

i will get around to trying them one of these days.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> >> There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
> >> family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and kale.
> >
> > They may be related babe, but they are still not a beet dammit! ;-d
>
> exactly. tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, bell peppers and tobacco are all in
> the nightshade family, but they are not 'the same.'
>
> your pal,
> blake

Thanks Blake!
--
Peace! Om

"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
-Infantry Journal

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> there is this pic of duck feet with black mushrooms:
>
> <http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wokX5Am7ic...1pMOwVXp5w/s16
> 00-h/duck+feet+libbs.jpg>
>
> your pal,
> blake

I'll have me some of that... ;-d
Looks like Shitake mushrooms.
--
Peace! Om

"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
-Infantry Journal

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> >> james, you're such a stick-in-the-mud.
> >>
> >> on the other hand, you probably eat duck feet, which i have yet to try.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > Don't underestimate duck feet Blake. :-d
>
> i will get around to trying them one of these days.
>
> your pal,
> blake

The flavor is slightly richer (imho) than chicken feet. They are also a
little higher in price usually!

Prepared properly, poultry feet really are delicious. I'm just glad I
learned to eat them from mom.

That and steak tartar!
--
Peace! Om

"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
-Infantry Journal

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:40:01 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> The Cook > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 03:46:13 -0600, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article
>> >,
>> > Sheldon > wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You do realize that Barb will never again kiss you on the lips...
>> >> chard is beets.
>> >
>> >Chard is NOT beets!
>> >
>> >Geeze Shel' where do you come up with this crap?
>>
>> From reading the scientific names of plants. Both are of the genus
>> Beta.
>
>And the same species Vulgaris.

I can only ask you if you knew that before this thread or did you
research it? Vulgaris (the plant) isn't near the first hit on Google.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:30:02 -0500, flitterbit >
wrote:

>There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
>family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and kale.

Oh, man.... another duo I'd never put together. But I'm not very good
at putting human cousins together either if their families aren't
inter-related anyway.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:30:02 -0500, flitterbit >
>wrote:

>>There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
>>family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and kale.

>Oh, man.... another duo I'd never put together.

This is reasonable because they are not the same species or even
genus. Whereas kale, broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage,
cauliflower, romanesco, chinese broccoli, broccoflower, and
collards are all the exact same species.

Kale and radish are in the same family... along with 4000 other
species.

Steve

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:40:01 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > The Cook > wrote:

> >> From reading the scientific names of plants. Both are of the genus
> >> Beta.
> >
> >And the same species Vulgaris.
>
> I can only ask you if you knew that before this thread or did you
> research it? Vulgaris (the plant) isn't near the first hit on Google.

I had known for a long time that beets and chard were very closely
related, and have grown both in my garden, where they look very similar.
But I didn't know any of those names and got everything from Wikipedia.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

blake wrote:

>>> according to Rodale Press' "Successful Organic Gardening" book on
>>> Vegetables, that Latin name for beet is Beta vulgaris, Swiss chard's is
>>> Beta vulgaris var. cicla; common names for Swiss chard are silverbeet
>>> and leaf beet. The chard I grow> produces a huge root, but I've never
>>> tried cooking it; might be something to try
>>>
>>> There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
>>> family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and
>>> kale.
>>
>> They may be related babe, but they are still not a beet dammit! ;-d
>
> exactly. tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, bell peppers and tobacco are all
> in the nightshade family, but they are not 'the same.'


But beets and chard are the same SPECIES, just different variations. It's
like saying that a dog is no longer a dog simply because it's a different
breed from the "original" dog.

Bob

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:30:02 -0500, flitterbit >
> wrote:
>
>> There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
>> family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and kale.
>
> Oh, man.... another duo I'd never put together. But I'm not very good
> at putting human cousins together either if their families aren't
> inter-related anyway.
>
>
I wouldn't eat them together either, I was just pointing out that
they're both crucifers (like broccoli, cauliflower, mustard, kohlrabi,
Brussels sprouts, cabbage ...), and are grown for different parts of the
plant.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:59:57 -0500, flitterbit >
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, spinach, beets and Swiss chard are all members of the family
>> Chenopodiaceae.
>
> Are you a biologist or a gung ho gardener?
>
>
Not a biologist, rather an occasionally gung-ho gardener with limited
space in which to grow vegetables who understands the need to rotate
crops, so knowing which veg belong to which families is helpful for
planning what to grow where

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> blake wrote:
>
> >>> according to Rodale Press' "Successful Organic Gardening" book on
> >>> Vegetables, that Latin name for beet is Beta vulgaris, Swiss chard's is
> >>> Beta vulgaris var. cicla; common names for Swiss chard are silverbeet
> >>> and leaf beet. The chard I grow> produces a huge root, but I've never
> >>> tried cooking it; might be something to try
> >>>
> >>> There's a number of related vegetables where we grow one member of a
> >>> family for its roots and another for its leaves; think radishes and
> >>> kale.
> >>
> >> They may be related babe, but they are still not a beet dammit! ;-d
> >
> > exactly. tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, bell peppers and tobacco are all
> > in the nightshade family, but they are not 'the same.'
>
>
> But beets and chard are the same SPECIES, just different variations. It's
> like saying that a dog is no longer a dog simply because it's a different
> breed from the "original" dog.
>
> Bob

A teacup poodle is not a great dane...
A Chihuahua is not a timber wolf.

A housecat is not a mini-tiger.

No, wait.

;-)
--
Peace! Om

"If the enemy is in range, so are you."
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