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James[_1_] 02-02-2009 12:08 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
the difference.

PhilC 02-02-2009 12:36 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
James wrote:
> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
> the difference.

James, what you asked sometimes resembles windows versus Linux or Mac
type behaviour in some circles. :)


The short answer is yes . Different types of rice have different
properties and therefore taste .

This then also leads to different methods of preparation and some rice
varieties are more suited to specific dishes and how it is prepared.

Take for example Paella and Kongi

Grain length and hardness of the "shell" in basic terms affects water
absorption. Jasmine rice has other properties and as you never
mentioned it no need to discuss it here.

You mentioned "cheap ordinary long grain rice"

Depending on what you are cooking often it is best to save your money
as I doubt even the most discerning pallet in some dishes would be able
to discern the difference . Save your money and put the change into
decent condiments :)


You may like to research rice and diabetes via google and I am sure
such would throw up more data for you . Australia and Canada did soem
wonderful research some years back

On Basmati I just like the smell over the cheaper brands on taste
tests often can not pick the difference .

Food safety on cheaper brands :

I have seen rats and others ****ing on bulk rice rather than condemn
it some folk blend contaminated rice into the cheaper bins :(


Do a search on FDA web or US agriculture web sites and heaps should
throw up there .

However, the bottom line is if *you* (like many others ) can not pick
the difference in taste save your cash and stick with what works for
you .

Some rice gurus are worse than wine snobs and it means bugger all .

HTH
P

Janet 02-02-2009 01:06 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Sure--different rices are very different.

Currently my favorite is a Japanese brown rice that is just delish. It's
cooked in a proportion of 2C rice to 3 C water. 40 minutes +



Sheldon 02-02-2009 01:08 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
James wrote:
>
> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap
> ordinary extra long grain rice? �I'm not sure I can taste the
> difference in rice.


There is no such thing as "taste better"... taste better to who?

Different types of rice do taste *differently* but depending on how
it's used and seasoned usually negates the flavor differences between
different rices... mostly the difference is textural and to some
degree appearance. For instance basmati typically has a slight
perfumed nuance but if seasoned with say saffron, onion, garlic, etc.
it won't taste any different from ordinary long grain carolina rice
when seasoned similarly with saffron, onion, garlic, etc... the major
difference will be textural and appearance... basmati grains are
thinner and longer and I think have a texture close to the pasta
noodles in rice a roni. Just remember whenever you use basmati (or
any imported rice) to wash it very well, because where it's grown in
India, Pakistan, Italy etal. they fertilize it with raw animal and
human sewage. No rice grown in the US needs to be washed, and never
wash fortified rice or you'll rinse away the added vitamins and
minerals. Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
nutrients whatsoever.


Kris[_1_] 02-02-2009 02:00 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Feb 1, 7:08*pm, James > wrote:
> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice? *I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
> rice but some food items I can. *Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
> the difference.


I personally think that basmati has a much better aroma and thus taste
(the two intermix of course) over plain rice. That is my opinion.

However, different rices are good for different things. For example, I
would always serve basmati with any Indian/curry dish I make, but
would ALWAYS use plain lg rice for, say,rice pudding.

BTW, you can pick up fairly cheap basmati in bulk, tomake it not too
expensive..

Kris

Michel Boucher[_3_] 02-02-2009 02:18 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Kris > wrote in news:586d9331-cba9-4185-a9fa-
:

> BTW, you can pick up fairly cheap basmati in bulk, tomake it not too
> expensive..


There is also brown basmati, Thai black rice and Thai red rice. For brown
I prefer a short grain, Lundberg is sold locally. For white, I prefer a
good sushi rice. I prefer Maruyu to Kokuho Rose or Calrose. I buy two bags
at a time and I keep the extra bag in the freezer. As soon as a bag is
opened, it's poured into a large container to protect it from insects and
such (a few years ago we had an infestation of Indian meal moths and buying
large containers was a way of ensuring it would not happen again). Both
Maruyu and Lundberg are California Rice Commission recognized brands.

http://www.calrice.org/documents/logopage.pdf

Also, I use a proper rice cooker, not one with a loose lid, but one that
clicks shut. That way we can eat the rest of the rice the next day.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Gloria P 02-02-2009 02:41 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
James wrote:
> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
> the difference.




Both Basmati and Jasmine rice have a very nice, flowery scent and
distinctive flavors. I don't use them in highly flavored dishes
where the flavor would be masked by herbs and spices, but where the
rest of the dish is subtle, they are delicious.

gloria p

Kenneth 02-02-2009 02:42 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
> wrote:

>Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
>nutrients whatsoever.


Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...

Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched. It
has returned to it much of the nutrition stripped in its
milling.

As a result, it contains (in addition to the starch):

some protein, iron, niacin, thiamin, and folate.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

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Orlando Enrique Fiol 02-02-2009 03:07 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Speaking of basmati, do y'all have any idea why the South Beach diet seems to
consider normal Basmati as a permissible, (I.E. non-white) rice? There is of
course brown Basmati, but that's not what they mean. Does Basmati have more
hull than ordinary white rice? I never thought it did, but I might be missing
some visual details.

Orlando

Dave Smith[_5_] 02-02-2009 03:19 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Kris wrote:
> On Feb 1, 7:08 pm, James > wrote:
>> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
>> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
>> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
>> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
>> the difference.

>
> I personally think that basmati has a much better aroma and thus taste
> (the two intermix of course) over plain rice. That is my opinion.


I agree. I prefer Basmati, and I usually have it with stir fries and
curries .
>
> However, different rices are good for different things. For example, I
> would always serve basmati with any Indian/curry dish I make, but
> would ALWAYS use plain lg rice for, say,rice pudding.


I disagree about the rice pudding. Arborio is much better than long
grain rice for that.

modom (palindrome guy)[_3_] 02-02-2009 03:45 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:08:09 -0800 (PST), James >
wrote:

>Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
>extra long grain rice?


Yes.

Also brown ric tases different from white rice. And jasmine rice has
a different flavor from othe kinds of rice.

Then there's the matter of texture.
--
modom

ambitious when it comes to fiddling with meat

Dan Abel 02-02-2009 04:38 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
In article >,
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
> > wrote:
>
> >Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
> >nutrients whatsoever.

>
> Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...
>
> Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched.


Sheldon has a bit of a point, but still:

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, without salt

100 grams (about 2/3 cup)
28g carbs
2.7g protein
..4g fiber

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA


Miche[_3_] 02-02-2009 05:32 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
In article
>,
James > wrote:

> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice?


Yes.

Miche (to me, at least)

--
Electricians do it in three phases

cybercat 02-02-2009 06:34 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 

"Miche" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> James > wrote:
>
>> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
>> extra long grain rice?

>
> Yes.
>

It tastes like it has been buttered already.



Omelet[_7_] 02-02-2009 09:31 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
In article
>,
James > wrote:

> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
> the difference.


I don't eat polished white rice at all. Just brown, red or black rices.

And yes, I can taste the difference even tho' I always cook rice in
stock. :-)

IMHO, white rice tastes like library paste.

Natural rices, not stripped of their nutritional value, have FAR more
flavor than white of any variety!

YMMV, as always...
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

Sqwertz 02-02-2009 02:25 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
PhilC > wrote:

> I have seen rats and others ****ing on bulk rice


Do the stop, sniff, and lift a rear leg?

And who are these 'others'? I hope you're not accusing me!

-sw

Sheldon 02-02-2009 03:01 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Feb 1, 9:42�pm, Kenneth > wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
>
> > wrote:
> >Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
> >nutrients whatsoever.

>
> Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...
>
> Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched. It
> has returned to it much of the nutrition stripped in its
> milling.
>
> As a result, it contains (in addition to the starch):
>
> some protein, iron, niacin, thiamin, and folate.


Your reading comprehension is less than that of a 5th grader. I said
that: "and never wash fortified rice or you'll rinse away the added
vitamins and minerals."



Sheldon 02-02-2009 03:05 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Feb 2, 9:25�am, Sqwertz > wrote:
> PhilC > wrote:
> > I have seen rats and others �****ing on bulk rice

>
> Do the stop, sniff, and lift a rear leg?
>
> And who are these 'others'? �I hope you're not accusing me!


Nah... we all know you squat to ****.

Kenneth 02-02-2009 04:24 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:01:41 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
> wrote:

>On Feb 1, 9:42?pm, Kenneth > wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
>> >nutrients whatsoever.

>>
>> Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...
>>
>> Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched. It
>> has returned to it much of the nutrition stripped in its
>> milling.
>>
>> As a result, it contains (in addition to the starch):
>>
>> some protein, iron, niacin, thiamin, and folate.

>
>Your reading comprehension is less than that of a 5th grader. I said
>that: "and never wash fortified rice or you'll rinse away the added
>vitamins and minerals."
>


Hi again,

Insults aside, you are, for a change, absolutely right.

I had misread your post.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Kenneth 02-02-2009 04:40 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:01:41 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
> wrote:

>On Feb 1, 9:42?pm, Kenneth > wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
>> >nutrients whatsoever.

>>
>> Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...
>>
>> Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched. It
>> has returned to it much of the nutrition stripped in its
>> milling.
>>
>> As a result, it contains (in addition to the starch):
>>
>> some protein, iron, niacin, thiamin, and folate.

>
>Your reading comprehension is less than that of a 5th grader. I said
>that: "and never wash fortified rice or you'll rinse away the added
>vitamins and minerals."
>


Hi again,

Insults aside, you are, for a change, absolutely right.

I had misread your post.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Kenneth 02-02-2009 05:04 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 07:01:41 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
> wrote:

>On Feb 1, 9:42?pm, Kenneth > wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:08:38 -0800 (PST), Sheldon
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >Otherwise other than starch white rice contains no
>> >nutrients whatsoever.

>>
>> Perhaps if you grow it yourself, but...
>>
>> Over 90% of the white rice sold in the US is enriched. It
>> has returned to it much of the nutrition stripped in its
>> milling.
>>
>> As a result, it contains (in addition to the starch):
>>
>> some protein, iron, niacin, thiamin, and folate.

>
>Your reading comprehension is less than that of a 5th grader. I said
>that: "and never wash fortified rice or you'll rinse away the added
>vitamins and minerals."
>


Hi again,

Insults aside, you are, for a change, absolutely right.

I had misread your post.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

pecan 02-02-2009 05:54 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Sheldon wrote:
> James wrote:
>> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap
>> ordinary extra long grain rice? �I'm not sure I can taste the
>> difference in rice.

>
> There is no such thing as "taste better"... taste better to who?

<snip>
>


Ah... but basmati is also recommended as it has a lower GI than the
others. I like it better than other normal rices.

Catherine

--
== Not nuts, just a little eccentric ==

Kenneth 02-02-2009 05:56 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Kenneth
> wrote:

'Sorry for the duplicates...,
--
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Sqwertz 03-02-2009 12:46 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Kenneth > wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Kenneth
> > wrote:
>
> 'Sorry for the duplicates...,


Yeah - you don't have to rub it in.

Talk about stroking a defective ego...

-sw

Arri London 03-02-2009 01:03 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 


James wrote:
>
> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
> the difference.



Different sorts of rice taste very different to me. If they don't taste
different to you, then buy the cheapest sort.

cybercat 03-02-2009 05:28 AM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> James wrote:
>>
>> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap ordinary
>> extra long grain rice? I'm not sure I can taste the difference in
>> rice but some food items I can. Can veges, ice creme, soft drinks,
>> and can soups for example I'm willing to pay more because I can taste
>> the difference.

>
>
> Different sorts of rice taste very different to me. If they don't taste
> different to you, then buy the cheapest sort.


Excellent advice.



Bobo Bonobo® 03-02-2009 12:25 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Feb 1, 8:18*pm, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> Kris > wrote in news:586d9331-cba9-4185-a9fa-
> :
>
> > BTW, you can pick up fairly cheap basmati in bulk, tomake it not too
> > expensive..

>
> There is also brown basmati, Thai black rice and Thai red rice. *For brown
> I prefer a short grain, Lundberg is sold locally. *For white, I prefer a
> good sushi rice. I prefer Maruyu to Kokuho Rose or Calrose. *I buy two bags
> at a time and I keep the extra bag in the freezer. *As soon as a bag is
> opened, it's poured into a large container to protect it from insects and
> such (a few years ago we had an infestation of Indian meal moths and buying
> large containers was a way of ensuring it would not happen again). *Both
> Maruyu and Lundberg are California Rice Commission recognized brands.
>
> http://www.calrice.org/documents/logopage.pdf
>
> Also, I use a proper rice cooker, not one with a loose lid, but one that
> clicks shut. *That way we can eat the rest of the rice the next day.


I like the Thai red rice too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Cargo_rice
>
> --
>
> Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
> of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
> good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes


Funny, but 10, 12 years ago I seemed like a left wing loony for my
Keynesianness, and belief that the ideas of Alan Greenspan were wrong,
wrong, wrong. I haven't changed, but a lot of other folks sure have.
Now, I seem darned near mainstream.
-------------------------------------------------------
Mayday

Hey, Chairman Greenspan,
How do you sleep at night?
Can your dreams be gentled?
Is profit always right?

Mayday!
There ain't no lifeboats
We'd better save ourselves
Mayday!

Capitalism
Like an old Missouri mule
Strong and hard working
It'll kick as surely too.

Hey, Captain Greenspan
How do you sleep at night?
No, you're not mistaken
I am tryin' to pick a fight.

Are we on unsinkable
America today?
In case of the unthinkable,
Who's gonna have to pay?

Mayday!
Put out a mayday
We're callin' mayday

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All Rights Reserved
--------------------------------------------------------------

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Michel Boucher[_3_] 03-02-2009 01:09 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in news:e3f3b2f1-657d-49e3-a274-
:

> Funny, but 10, 12 years ago I seemed like a left wing loony for my
> Keynesianness, and belief that the ideas of Alan Greenspan were wrong,
> wrong, wrong. I haven't changed, but a lot of other folks sure have.
> Now, I seem darned near mainstream.


Someone said there are no atheists in foxholes, and just as surely, there
are no libertarians in economic crises. Case in point, the government of
Canada brought down what the party ideologues consider a "far left wing"
(tm applied for) budget, in other words a budget of measures the slightly
more centrist party, the Liberals, insisted were a condition for Harper to
cling desperately to shreds of power.

Why the man wants to run the country at this time completely eludes me.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Bobo Bonobo® 03-02-2009 01:42 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Feb 3, 7:09*am, Michel Boucher > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in news:e3f3b2f1-657d-49e3-a274-
> :
>
> > Funny, but 10, 12 years ago I seemed like a left wing loony for my
> > Keynesianness, and belief that the ideas of Alan Greenspan were wrong,
> > wrong, wrong. *I haven't changed, but a lot of other folks sure have.
> > Now, I seem darned near mainstream.

>
> Someone said there are no atheists in foxholes, and just as surely, there
> are no libertarians in economic crises. *


There are still a few. They've just gone into hiding. Mammon worship
is a fundamentalist religion, and we know that fundie religios don't
always respond to reason.

> Case in point, the government of
> Canada brought down what the party ideologues consider a "far left wing"
> (tm applied for) budget, in other words a budget of measures the slightly
> more centrist party, the Liberals, insisted were a condition for Harper to
> cling desperately to shreds of power.
>
> Why the man wants to run the country at this time completely eludes me. *


I was under the impression that Canada is getting off a bit easier
than most other First World nations.
>
> --
>
> Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
> of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
> good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes


--Bryan

blake murphy[_2_] 03-02-2009 08:12 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:25:02 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:

> PhilC > wrote:
>
>> I have seen rats and others ****ing on bulk rice

>
> Do the stop, sniff, and lift a rear leg?
>
> And who are these 'others'? I hope you're not accusing me!
>
> -sw


relax, steve. he doesn't have the surveillance pictures.

your pal,
blake

Gregory Morrow[_163_] 03-02-2009 08:40 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 

blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:25:02 -0600, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > PhilC > wrote:
> >
> >> I have seen rats and others ****ing on bulk rice

> >
> > Do the stop, sniff, and lift a rear leg?
> >
> > And who are these 'others'? I hope you're not accusing me!
> >
> > -sw

>
> relax, steve. he doesn't have the surveillance pictures.



Didja hear on the nooze the latest in that peanut contamination scare...one
guy who works in the factory (in Georgia IIRC) said: "They not only roasted
the peanuts, they also roasted a coupla RATS that were in those
peanuts...!!!".


--
Best
Greg



Michel Boucher[_3_] 03-02-2009 10:23 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:

>> Someone said there are no atheists in foxholes, and just as surely,
>> there are no libertarians in economic crises. *

>
> There are still a few. They've just gone into hiding. Mammon worship
> is a fundamentalist religion, and we know that fundie religios don't
> always respond to reason.


"Don't always"? How about "never"?

>> Case in point, the government of
>> Canada brought down what the party ideologues consider a "far left
>> wing" (tm applied for) budget, in other words a budget of measures
>> the slightly more centrist party, the Liberals, insisted were a
>> condition for Harper to cling desperately to shreds of power.
>>
>> Why the man wants to run the country at this time completely eludes
>> me.

>
> I was under the impression that Canada is getting off a bit easier
> than most other First World nations.


You must have read that Oct 2008 OECD report which suggested that Canada
was the best off in a really bad list of G-7 nations. The minister of
Finance is always touting that one even now, disregarding the IMF report of
last week which contradicts that.

The only way Canada can keep its head above water is if trade continues.
Obama's Buy USA is going to kill that, unless he believes that a secure
Canadian petroleum supply is worth bending the principle. Leastwise,
that's what the consies hope.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Phred 04-02-2009 02:07 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
In article >, Kenneth > wrote:
>On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:04:19 -0500, Kenneth
> wrote:
>
>'Sorry for the duplicates...,


Triplicates!


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID


Phred 04-02-2009 02:11 PM

Can you taste the difference in Rice?
 
In article >, pecan > wrote:
>Sheldon wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> Does the more expensive Basmati taste better than the cheap
>>> ordinary extra long grain rice? �I'm not sure I can taste the
>>> difference in rice.

>>
>> There is no such thing as "taste better"... taste better to who?

><snip>
>
>Ah... but basmati is also recommended as it has a lower GI than the
>others. I like it better than other normal rices.


I always thought of it as more of a physical difference such that
different types of rice were more suited to different cooking
processes. However, I must admit my Thai friends seem to recognise
more types of rice than processes! (Bit like Eskimos and snow!).

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID



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