Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
It was arson.

This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
into the building to see how bad things are.

Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
with arson.

Dave Smith said...

> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
> It was arson.
>
> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
> into the building to see how bad things are.
>
> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> with arson.


Dave,

What horrible news!

Hope they can "weather the storm."

I don't know what I would do.

Best,

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Dave Smith said...
>
>> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
>> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
>> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
>> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
>> It was arson.
>>
>> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
>> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
>> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
>> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
>> into the building to see how bad things are.
>>
>> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
>> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>> with arson.
>
>
> Dave,
>
> What horrible news!
>
> Hope they can "weather the storm."
>
> I don't know what I would do.


I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. It looks good on
him.

Never attribute to karma what more likely can be
ascribed to simple incompetence.

Dave Smith > wrote in news:498f57a4
:

> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
> It was arson.
>
> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
> into the building to see how bad things are.
>
> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> with arson.



There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.

Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.

When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged with
murder.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are.

Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin

"PeterL" > wrote in message
.25...
> Dave Smith > wrote in news:498f57a4
> :
>
>> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
>> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
>> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
>> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
>> It was arson.
>>
>> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
>> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
>> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
>> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
>> into the building to see how bad things are.
>>
>> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
>> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>> with arson.
>
>
>
> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>
> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>
> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged with
> murder.

You know what Karma is don't you Lucas.
You are getting back all the shit you have dumped on others over the years.

In article > ,
PeterL > wrote:


> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>
> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>
> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged with
> murder.
>
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html

I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
couple, and he got two years. Still, I certainly don't have an ounce of
sympathy for those who set those fires.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

PeterL said...

> Dave Smith > wrote in
news:498f57a4
> :
>
>> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
>> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
>> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
>> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
>> It was arson.
>>
>> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
>> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
>> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
>> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
>> into the building to see how bad things are.
>>
>> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
>> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>> with arson.
>
>
>
> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>
> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>
> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
with
> murder.
>
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html


Geez,

I remember the NSW fires!!! God awful!!!

I got a mate w/family in Melbourne.

Hope they catch the BUMS!!!!!!

That IS murder!

Andy

"Dan Abel" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>
>> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>>
>> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>>
>> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
>> with
>> murder.
>>
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html
>
> I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
> couple, and he got two years. Still, I certainly don't have an ounce of
> sympathy for those who set those fires.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

arsonist = coward

"SteveB" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article > ,
>> PeterL > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>>>
>>> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>>>
>>> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
>>> with
>>> murder.
>>>
>>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html
>>
>> I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
>> couple, and he got two years. Still, I certainly don't have an ounce of
>> sympathy for those who set those fires.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Abel
>> Petaluma, California USA
>>
>
> arsonist = coward

Controversial Comment:
We need to look at why arsonists light fires because I don't think any
amount of prison sentence will deter them.
Besides seeing the damage they are inflicting, they also get an adrenalin
fix from evading the law. (much like graffiti artists etc)
So we need to find another less destructive way for them to get their
adrenalin fix.
Also, a confidential hotline needs to be set up for them to call if they get
the urge.
I hate to say it, but it is a disease, one that will only be cured when we
find out what makes these people tick.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
m...
> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop was
> totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water. It was
> arson.
>
> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily, they
> had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few months
> before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get into the
> building to see how bad things are.
>
> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious burns
> to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged with arson.

If he has Business Interruption insurance and a good private adjuster, he
will be OK financially. The 5% you pay them is well worth it.

The arsonist seems to be getting what he deserves too. Karma is a good
thing.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith said...
>>
>>> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that
>>> gutted a number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my
>>> nephew's video store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa
>>> upstairs but his shop was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was
>>> damaged by smoke and water. It was arson.
>>>
>>> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She
>>> had just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store.
>>> Luckily, they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will
>>> be a few months before they can open up again. They haven't even been
>>> able to get into the building to see how bad things are.
>>>
>>> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at
>>> a hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>>> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>>> with arson.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> What horrible news!
>>
>> Hope they can "weather the storm."
>>
>> I don't know what I would do.
>
>
>
> I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
> arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. It looks good on
> him.
>

Ever been burned, Dave? Even a couple square inches of hand/fingers?
When I was 10 I opened the storage drawer under the broiler in our oven
to pull out a skillet that our mom wanted to fix some bacon. The oven
was on at 400 - had been for half an hour. Without a moment's thought I
pulled the drawer open with my left, grabbed the handle of the iron
skillet with my right...

Nobody whose crimes affected property only, no matter the dollar amount
involved, "deserves" burns over 90% of the body.

Jesus. Get some perspective.

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:54:30 -0700, SteveB wrote:

> "Dan Abel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article > , PeterL
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>>>
>>> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>>>
>>> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
>>> with
>>> murder.
>>>
>>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html
>>
>> I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
>> couple, and he got two years. Still, I certainly don't have an ounce
>> of sympathy for those who set those fires.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Abel
>> Petaluma, California USA
>>
>
> arsonist = coward

Oh. You're one of 'them'.
Can you explain why they are "cowards"?

Suicide bombers are also "cowards", according to western governments.
They may be many things - but a coward...





--
"Some days we don't let the line move at all. We call those weekdays"
Patty and Selma Bouvier, 1996

On Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:21:40 +0000, PeterL wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote in
> news:498f57a4 :
>
>> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted
>> a number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
>> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
>> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
>> It was arson.
>>
>> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She
>> had just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store.
>> Luckily, they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be
>> a few months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able
>> to get into the building to see how bad things are.
>>
>> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
>> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>> with arson.
>
>
>
> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>
> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>
> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
> with murder.


Of course they will be charged with murder, if caught. What else were you
expecting?

On Sun, 8 Feb 2009 17:54:30 -0700, "SteveB" >
wrote:

>arsonist = coward

or paid by someone or doing it for the insurance money (that's a laugh
if you've ever dealt with insurance - money goes one way only, just
like with the catholic church).


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

In article > , Dave Smith > wrote:
>Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
>number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
>store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
>was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
>It was arson.
[snip]
>Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
>hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
>burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
>with arson.

Bit like the couple here in Oz who were caught recently and charged
with robbing ATMs by blowing them up with oxy-acetylene gear... They
gave themselves away by buying stuff with scorched banknotes! :-)

As an aside, I once heard a psychologist talking on the wireless about
how crooks often get caught for trivial offences after committing a
major crime. The argument seemed to be that, having just shot
someone, there was no point in worrying about speeding!

(Bit like my attitude to beef versus tofu at my stage of life! :-)

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

In article > , Dave Smith > wrote:
[snip]
>
>I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
>arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. [...]

If true, he's dead.


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

Kathleen wrote:
>
>> I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
>> arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. It looks good
>> on him.
>>
>
> Ever been burned, Dave? Even a couple square inches of hand/fingers?
> When I was 10 I opened the storage drawer under the broiler in our oven
> to pull out a skillet that our mom wanted to fix some bacon. The oven
> was on at 400 - had been for half an hour. Without a moment's thought I
> pulled the drawer open with my left, grabbed the handle of the iron
> skillet with my right...
>
> Nobody whose crimes affected property only, no matter the dollar amount
> involved, "deserves" burns over 90% of the body.
>
> Jesus. Get some perspective.

Oh yes. I have been burned many, many times. I had a summer job in an
alloy smelting plant and got burned almost every day, not to mention
burns from cooking, and working around hot equipment. When people light
fires to destroy people's homes and businesses they are bound to cause
tremendous damage, not to mention the chances of burning or killing
people and pets. I have no sympathy for an arsonist who ends up getting
hurt in the commission of his crimes.

Dan Abel > wrote in
:

> In article > ,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>
>> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>>
>> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>>
>> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
>> with murder.
>>
>> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html
>
> I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
> couple, and he got two years. Still, I certainly don't have an ounce of
> sympathy for those who set those fires.
>


The death toll is now up around 140 (confirmed)...... expected to rise to
over 200.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are.

Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin

Phred wrote:
> In article > , Dave Smith > wrote:
> [snip]
>> I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
>> arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. [...]
>
> If true, he's dead.


According to one newspaper article, the guy had third degree burns to
90% of his body. According to another, they were second and third
degree. Either way, he is in for a world of hurt, and could die.
However, reporters do have a way of screwing up information.


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Fir...438/story.html

On Feb 10, 2:52*am, PeterL > wrote:
> Dan Abel > wrote :
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article > ,
> > *PeterL > wrote:
>
> >> There are some serious fires in Victoria at the moment.
>
> >> Seems several of them have been deliberatly lit.
>
> >> When the arsonists concerned are caught, they are going to be charged
> >> with murder.
>
> >>http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574...000540,00.html
>
> > I don't know if that's right. *The guy across the street killed a
> > couple, and he got two years. *Still, I certainly don't have an ounce of
> > sympathy for those who set those fires.
>
> The death toll is now up around 140 (confirmed)...... expected to rise to
> over 200.
>
> --
> Peter Lucas
> Brisbane
> Australia
>
> Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are.
>
> Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

But I forgot to say that if I was there the death toll would have only
been about 100.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Tell me what you eat and I'll tell you who you are.

Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
> It was arson.
>
> <snip>
>
> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> with arson.

Good luck to your nephew in restarting the business.
We had a local house fire last week, caused by a burglar trying to rob
the place. Said perp died in that fire; none of the occupants were at
home at the time.

"PeterL" > wrote in message
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> :
>
>
>>
>> But I forgot to say that if I was there the death toll would have only
>> been about 100.
>>
>
>
> I'm suprised, kirkland. This is a perfect opportunity for a fraud like
> you. You could stop posting for a few days and then come back and tell
> everyone that you were on the fireline, saving lives with your mediocre
> first aid training.
>
>
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Dave Smith > wrote:

> Late Friday night there were three serious fires in Ottawa that gutted a
> number of commercial buildings. One of them was at my nephew's video
> store. The fire started in a hair salon and spa upstairs but his shop
> was totally destroyed. What didn't burn was damaged by smoke and water.
> It was arson.
>
> This came at an especially hard time for my nephew and his wife. She had
> just quit a good paying job to work full time in the store. Luckily,
> they had insurance and are planning to re-open, but it will be a few
> months before they can open up again. They haven't even been able to get
> into the building to see how bad things are.

I hate to break it to your son, but video stores aren't the best
business to be in these days. He should have kept his other job.

> Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> with arson.

I just don't see a guy breaking into a upstairs nail salon, setting
it on fire, then wallowing around in the resulting fire just for
some sort of perverse sexual gratification.

Is there any relation ot the nail salon fire? Better yet - dis
there anything about tis that is food related, or do you just not
have any friends to talk to about this stunning revelation?

ObFood: Poor-mans canned salmon (that would be mackeral) and
American cheese sandwich for lunch. It seemed like what I wanted to
eat at the time...

-sw

Kathleen > wrote:

> Nobody whose crimes affected property only, no matter the dollar amount
> involved, "deserves" burns over 90% of the body.

Meanwhile taxpayers will be footing the bill for the extensive
skin-grafting.

A guy here in Austin literally burst into flames trying to steal
live copper wire from, of all places, an electrical substation.
Duh.

While the crime itself is minor, he was Life-Lined to San Antonio
where they can reconstruct him while the County foots the bill for
medical services.

In Dave's example, the guy with 90% of burns on his body hasn't even
been connected to any of the fires. They did arrest two completely
unrelated suspects though. He forgot to mention that part.

-sw

Phred > wrote:

> In article > , Dave Smith > wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>>I am sure that they will pull through, but you have to wonder about an
>>arsonist who ends up with burns over 90% of his body. [...]
>
> If true, he's dead.

Maybe they were cigarette burns...

-sw

Dan Abel > wrote:

> I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
> couple, and he got two years.

I think you must have left something out of that story.

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
> > couple, and he got two years.
>
> I think you must have left something out of that story.


It's Canada, Steve, they don't have the DP up there...


--
Best
Greg

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
> > I don't know if that's right. The guy across the street killed a
> > couple, and he got two years.
>
> I think you must have left something out of that story.

Like the whole story? He lived right across the street from me. I'd
watch him drive home, get out of his car, get down on his hands and
knees because he was too drunk to walk upright, crawl to the side of his
house, work himself up to a standing position using both hands on the
house, crab walk over to the door and disappear into the house. How in
the hell did he drive when he couldn't walk? Not well. So he's driving
on the highway not far away, and forgets to stay in his lane. Headon
collision. He's driving one of those old Cadillacs with a hood bigger
than most cars. The couple are in a VW bug. They don't even take the
couple to the hospital. I talked to my neighbor next door. He said it
was the guy's third DUI. His fancy lawyer got him off on the first two.
They gave him two years in jail. Was it murder? No. Was it an
accident? After two arrests for DUI, he can hardly claim that he didn't
know he wasn't supposed to drive when he was too drunk to walk.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> Dave Smith > wrote:

> > Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> > hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> > burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> > with arson.
>
> I just don't see a guy breaking into a upstairs nail salon, setting
> it on fire, then wallowing around in the resulting fire just for
> some sort of perverse sexual gratification.

Often people use flammable liquids to assist them in setting these type
of fires. Experts know how to handle these flammable liquids. Many
people, like me, don't. It's easy to spill liquids on yourself. I do
it all the time. I don't do it with flammable liquids around large, out
of control fires.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Yep. Karla Holmolka (one of my favorite murderesses) was paroled a couple
> of years ago. What a *stink* her release caused. I keep waiting for her
> to snap and take a few more out.


She is a local girl. I have met the mother of one of her victims. She
got a pretty deal on that by ratting out her husband accomplice. He
claimed that she was the one who did the actual killing. He is rotting
in jail and she served her 12 year term for three murders. One of the
victims was her own sister.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>> She is a local girl. I have met the mother of one of her victims. She
>> got a pretty deal on that by ratting out her husband accomplice. He
>> claimed that she was the one who did the actual killing. He is rotting
>> in jail and she served her 12 year term for three murders. One of the
>> victims was her own sister.
>>
>
> I'm very familiar with the case. I studied it years ago when I was
> active in alt.true-crime. I'm fascinated by Holmolka. I think what she
> did to her sister is what fascinates me the most. Of course people will
> argue that she was Bernardo's victim but I don't quite buy that. I'm
> sure he controlled her to a certain extent but to do what she did to a
> relative was mind boggling. I remember one interview where she was
> dancing around in a school girl's outfit. She was much more concerned
> about what happened to her furniture and make up than what actually
> transpired within the 4 walls of her and Paul's home. Absolutely bizarre.
> We have not heard the last of her I'm sure.


No. I am sure that we have not heard the last of her. The press won't
let it die. As far as I know she is living in the Antilles. I doubt
that she will be coming back to the Niagara area. That could be
dangerous for her.

You have to wonder about the whole family. If I had a daughter who had
killed her sister she would never be allowed to darken my doorstep
again. Not the Homolkas. They threw a going away party for her.

The whole case was badly handled. The police had access to their house
for weeks to search for evidence. Then some tapes turned up that had
been hidden in the ceiling near a light fixture. They went through that
house with a fine toothed comb and managed not to find it. If they had
had that tape they would not have needed to make that deal with her.
But then there was the Jane Doe case that they did not know about at the
time they made the deal. She was supposed to have told them everything.
Once they got the video evidence of the Jane Doe assault and located the
girl, they should have cancelled the deal, since she had not told
everything. But what the heck. We have a screwed up justice system
where multiple sentences are served concurrently, and since that assault
would likely have netted a shorted term than the manslaughter she would
not have spent any more time in jail.

So here we have a couple whop go around abducting young girls together,
sexually assaulting them together, filming their fun and games. Then
when he turned on her she went to the police and ratted him out, blaming
him for everything. He is in jail for life and she is out on the streets.


FWIW a friend of mine lived around the corner from them.

In article >, ost
says...
>
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
> > Nobody whose crimes affected property only, no matter the dollar amount
> > involved, "deserves" burns over 90% of the body.
>
> Meanwhile taxpayers will be footing the bill for the extensive
> skin-grafting.
>
> A guy here in Austin literally burst into flames trying to steal
> live copper wire from, of all places, an electrical substation.
> Duh.
>
> While the crime itself is minor, he was Life-Lined to San Antonio
> where they can reconstruct him while the County foots the bill for
> medical services.
>
> In Dave's example, the guy with 90% of burns on his body hasn't even
> been connected to any of the fires. They did arrest two completely
> unrelated suspects though. He forgot to mention that part.
>
> -sw


Survival rates for people burned over a certain percentage of their
bodies isn't generally good.

That said, the guy who cooked himself in the electrical substation is
surely dead by now.

T wrote:
> In article >, ost
> says...
>> Kathleen > wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody whose crimes affected property only, no matter the dollar amount
>>> involved, "deserves" burns over 90% of the body.
>> Meanwhile taxpayers will be footing the bill for the extensive
>> skin-grafting.
>>
>> A guy here in Austin literally burst into flames trying to steal
>> live copper wire from, of all places, an electrical substation.
>> Duh.
>>
>> While the crime itself is minor, he was Life-Lined to San Antonio
>> where they can reconstruct him while the County foots the bill for
>> medical services.
>>
>> In Dave's example, the guy with 90% of burns on his body hasn't even
>> been connected to any of the fires. They did arrest two completely
>> unrelated suspects though. He forgot to mention that part.
>>
>> -sw
>
>
> Survival rates for people burned over a certain percentage of their
> bodies isn't generally good.

swertz is misinformed. Police arrested five people after a disturbance
at a hotel. The guy who was burned was present but was taken to
hospital, not arrested. Two of the people arrested at the hotel have
since been charged with arson in connection to at least one of the
fires. I suppose that we could take a huge leap of logic and assume
that there was an incident that the police responded to and two of the 5
people arrested were later charged for arson in connection with at least
one of the fires set, but the person who had burns to 90% of his body
had nothing to do with the fire.


>
> That said, the guy who cooked himself in the electrical substation is
> surely dead by now.
>
>

In article <dabel-8F98E9.14390809022009@c-61-68-245-
199.per.connect.net.au>, says...
>
> In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
> > Dave Smith > wrote:
>
> > > Early the next morning, Ottawa police were called to a disturbance at a
> > > hotel in the city hotel and arrested 5 men. One of them had serious
> > > burns to 90% of his body. At least two of them have now been charged
> > > with arson.
> >
> > I just don't see a guy breaking into a upstairs nail salon, setting
> > it on fire, then wallowing around in the resulting fire just for
> > some sort of perverse sexual gratification.
>
> Often people use flammable liquids to assist them in setting these type
> of fires. Experts know how to handle these flammable liquids. Many
> people, like me, don't. It's easy to spill liquids on yourself. I do
> it all the time. I don't do it with flammable liquids around large, out
> of control fires.

Not to mention a nail salon is full of solvents that are quite
flammable.

Dave Smith > wrote:

> swertz is misinformed. Police arrested five people after a disturbance
> at a hotel. The guy who was burned was present but was taken to
> hospital, not arrested. Two of the people arrested at the hotel have
> since been charged with arson in connection to at least one of the
> fires. I suppose that we could take a huge leap of logic and assume
> that there was an incident that the police responded to and two of the 5
> people arrested were later charged for arson in connection with at least
> one of the fires set, but the person who had burns to 90% of his body
> had nothing to do with the fire.

All the reports I read said the 90% burn guy was arrested separately
from the other two whop were charged.

Lets see your cite.

-sw

T wrote:

>
> Not to mention a nail salon is full of solvents that are quite
> flammable.


When I talked to my SiL the other day she said that there must have been
bombs because people heard explosions, and when my nephew posted a video
of the fire you could hear them. They sounded to me like aerosol cans
exploding. Having done stupid things liked throwing cans into fire in
the past I can tell you that an aerosol can most definitely does sound
like a small bomb going off. Even a can (unopened) of pork and beans in
a camp fire is a hefty explosion.

Dave Smith wrote;

> Even a can (unopened) of pork and beans in
> a camp fire is a hefty explosion.


"Hey kids, Bullwinkle Moose sez: Try this at home...!!!"


--
Best
Greg

On 11 Feb 2009 15:42:16 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Dave Smith >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> No. I am sure that we have not heard the last of her. The press won't
>> let it die. As far as I know she is living in the Antilles. I doubt
>> that she will be coming back to the Niagara area. That could be
>> dangerous for her.
>
> The constant attention from the media and her sociopathic mentality will
> surely stir up something.
>
>>
>> You have to wonder about the whole family. If I had a daughter who had
>> killed her sister she would never be allowed to darken my doorstep
>> again. Not the Homolkas. They threw a going away party for her.
>
> I was completely floored by the way the family took the entire thing.
> It's almost like our little girl did bad but we forgive her. How can you
> possibly forgive what she did to her own sister? They are really f*cked
> up IMO>
>

mom always liked her best.

your pal,
tom

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> Dave Smith >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> No. I am sure that we have not heard the last of her. The press won't
>> let it die. As far as I know she is living in the Antilles. I doubt
>> that she will be coming back to the Niagara area. That could be
>> dangerous for her.
>
> The constant attention from the media and her sociopathic mentality will
> surely stir up something.
>
>> You have to wonder about the whole family. If I had a daughter who had
>> killed her sister she would never be allowed to darken my doorstep
>> again. Not the Homolkas. They threw a going away party for her.
>
> I was completely floored by the way the family took the entire thing.
> It's almost like our little girl did bad but we forgive her. How can you
> possibly forgive what she did to her own sister? They are really f*cked
> up IMO>

Yessiree. It is no wonder that people like that reared a perverted,
murdering bitch.
>
>
> <snip badly handled case which I agree with for space>
>
>
>> So here we have a couple whop go around abducting young girls
>> together, sexually assaulting them together, filming their fun and
>> games. Then when he turned on her she went to the police and ratted
>> him out, blaming him for everything. He is in jail for life and she
>> is out on the streets.
>
> Unbelievable isn't it? And what about her Primma Donna behavior in
> prison? Slumber parties with other inmates... Gawd.



>
>>
>> FWIW a friend of mine lived around the corner from them.
>
> Ohhhh... That would have been interesting. Did he get any dirt while the
> whole thing was going on?

Not that I know of.