On Feb 11, 1:11*pm, wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:11 -0800, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>
> >It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful, but
> >I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>
> >I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. *DUH!
>
> >I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
>
> >I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
>
> >Lets see what else we can come up with.
>
> >"I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
>
> >Dimitri
>
> It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
> commercials. *As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the
> tv. *I didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. *I will never
> buy any products that he advertises.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No shit- I dispise that guy. Why does he have to yell all the time?

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Gloria P" > wrote:
>>> How "informed" do you feel after the glitzy commercials for drugs?
>>> The only valid parts seem to me to be the side-effects warnings.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>>
>> The side effects are often worse than the condition they're prescribed
>> for.
>
> Do you have any of those conditions, Jill? The side effects may be manna
> from heaven when compared to the effects of the diseases themselves.



Depends on what conditions you're talking about. I have a few minor medical
issues; I'm not on any prescription medication. The ads I see on TV often
rattle off "possible side effects include heart attack, stroke or death".
Gee, how inviting. lol

Jill

merryb replied:

>> It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
>> commercials. As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the tv. I
>> didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. I will never buy any
>> products that he advertises.

> No shit- I dispise that guy. Why does he have to yell all the time?

Have you seen the Billy Mays poster currently circulating around the
Internet?

http://i39.tinypic.com/qp4apx.jpg

The image quality is crappy, but it seems to capture his attitude.

Bob

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Gloria P wrote:
> >
> >
> > AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
> > your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
> > Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
> >
> > I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> > diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> > never steered me wrong so far.
>
> Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
> informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
> prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
> doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
> free samples?

It is a mistake to think people are intelligently 'informed' by TV
pharmaceutical ads. The *full* prescribing information that accompanies
Rx drugs is long and detailed. Read the Physician's Desk Reference for
examples; there is a copy on my bookshelf which is used in my work. The
average patient cannot take it in and properly evaluate it; many
physicians can hardly do it in the time available to them.

The ads barely touch on the risks and side effects; these often take up
a few paragraphs with statistics that take time to comprehend. The
minute or so the average drug ad takes doesn't begin to deal with such
information.

Gloria P wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Gloria P wrote:
> >>
>
> >>
> >> I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> >> diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> >> never steered me wrong so far.
> >
> > Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
> > informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
> > prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
> > doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
> > free samples?
>
> How "informed" do you feel after the glitzy commercials for drugs?
> The only valid parts seem to me to be the side-effects warnings.
>
> gloria p

And those are severely truncated compared to the full information there
is on any particular drug.

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Gloria P wrote:
>
> > How "informed" do you feel after the glitzy commercials for drugs?
> > The only valid parts seem to me to be the side-effects warnings.
>
> It's funny to hear how cheerful and upbeat they can sound
> while telling you that 'in some cases' side effects such as
> death can occur.
>
> nancy

Got that right. When offered 'Imitrex' for my migraines, went home and
looked up *all* the particulars before deciding on whether or not it
would do any good. When the part about 'death due to heart attacks in
people who have no history of heart disease' came up, decided the
migraines were preferable. Dealt with them in another way and have no
problems now

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:11 -0800, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>
>It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful, but
>I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>
>I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. DUH!
>
>I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
>
>I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
>
>Lets see what else we can come up with.
>
>"I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
>
>Dimitri

Vermont Teddy Bear and Pajama Gram commercials are insulting to BOTH
men and women. I can't wait for Valentines day to be over.

Lou

Pennyaline wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
> > informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
> > prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
> > doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
> > free samples?
>
> There are limits on how much of that goes on now. Meals, pens, mugs and
> free samples alone are not educational, and the focus for Pharma groups
> now is education over blatant promotion.
>
> Of course, the educational programs put on by pharmaceutical companies
> is barely-disguised promotion, but there is some genuinely informative
> content as well.

There is indeed. The conferences can be a good source of information if
the reps are approached in the right way.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:53:18 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>merryb replied:
>
>>> It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
>>> commercials. As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the tv. I
>>> didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. I will never buy any
>>> products that he advertises.
>
>> No shit- I dispise that guy. Why does he have to yell all the time?
>
>Have you seen the Billy Mays poster currently circulating around the
>Internet?
>
>http://i39.tinypic.com/qp4apx.jpg
>
>The image quality is crappy, but it seems to capture his attitude.

He's as annoying as that Vince guy that wears the boom mike selling
sham wow.

Lou

Andy wrote:
>
> said...
>
> > On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:11 -0800, "Dimitri" >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
> >>
> >>It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful,
> >>but I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
> >>
> >>I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. DUH!
> >>
> >>I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
> >>
> >>I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
> >>
> >>Lets see what else we can come up with.
> >>
> >>"I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
> >>
> >>Dimitri
> >>
> >>
> >
> > It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
> > commercials. As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the
> > tv. I didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. I will never
> > buy any products that he advertises.

Same here. Won't touch anything that loudmouth advertises.

>
<snip>

> They're all insulting:
>

> "Ask your doctor if you're healthy enough to have sex" Viagra warning!


Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:11 -0800, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
> >Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
> >
> >It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful,
but
> >I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
> >
> >I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. DUH!
> >
> >I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
> >
> >I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
> >
> >Lets see what else we can come up with.
> >
> >"I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
> >
> >Dimitri
>
> Vermont Teddy Bear and Pajama Gram commercials are insulting to BOTH
> men and women. I can't wait for Valentines day to be over.
>


Jeez, Lou, don't you want to "...get a gift that will REALLY please
HER..."...???

;-p

I guess they are really "straining" this year to make up for some of their
lost xmas business...


--
Best
Greg

Dave Smith wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> The side effects are often worse than the condition they're
>>> prescribed for.
>>
>> It's true. Seems there is a pill for everything, but take them then
>> you have a whole new set of problems (of course, there is a pill
>> for those, too, each with their own problems).
>
>
> My intestines react badly to some medications, like aspirin,
> anti-imflammatory drugs and strong antibiotics. I was prescribed
> Naproxin for tendonitis and it made my guts so weird that I preferred
> to tolerate the pain from the ailment than the gastric problems from
> the medication.

I had a horrible reaction to a medication, too. It was like that
joke where someone stomps on your foot so you forget you
had a headache. I'm more than a little leery of those side effects
that hardly anyone gets, but if you're that one, you'll be sorry.

nancy

Nancy2 > wrote in message
...
> I don't think anyone listens to those caveats
> in the TV commercials. [snip]

SWMBO, Daughter-Unit Beta, and I all listen to "those
caveats" -- especially since we've had opportunities to be on
the receiving end of more than one of those ad-inspired drugs.
Caveat Lector.

The Ranger

Arri London wrote:
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Gloria P wrote:
>>>
>>> AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
>>> your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
>>> Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
>>>
>>> I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
>>> diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
>>> never steered me wrong so far.
>> Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
>> informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
>> prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
>> doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
>> free samples?
>
> It is a mistake to think people are intelligently 'informed' by TV
> pharmaceutical ads. The *full* prescribing information that accompanies
> Rx drugs is long and detailed. Read the Physician's Desk Reference for
> examples; there is a copy on my bookshelf which is used in my work. The
> average patient cannot take it in and properly evaluate it; many
> physicians can hardly do it in the time available to them.
>
> The ads barely touch on the risks and side effects; these often take up
> a few paragraphs with statistics that take time to comprehend. The
> minute or so the average drug ad takes doesn't begin to deal with such
> information.

That may be true, but I don't think that anyone is suggesting that they
tell you everything you need to know, all possible side effects, side
effects when taken in combination with other drugs etc. At least people
learn that there may be treatment for a condition they have, especially
if it is something that they may be embarrassed about.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:08:00 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>
>Lou Decruss wrote:

>> Vermont Teddy Bear and Pajama Gram commercials are insulting to BOTH
>> men and women. I can't wait for Valentines day to be over.
>>
>
>
>Jeez, Lou, don't you want to "...get a gift that will REALLY please
>HER..."...???

We don't even get each other cards. Luckily I don't have to spend 80
bucks on some stupid teddy bear to get laid.

Lou

Nancy Young wrote:

>> My intestines react badly to some medications, like aspirin,
>> anti-imflammatory drugs and strong antibiotics. I was prescribed
>> Naproxin for tendonitis and it made my guts so weird that I preferred
>> to tolerate the pain from the ailment than the gastric problems from
>> the medication.
>
> I had a horrible reaction to a medication, too. It was like that
> joke where someone stomps on your foot so you forget you
> had a headache. I'm more than a little leery of those side effects
> that hardly anyone gets, but if you're that one, you'll be sorry.

My wife had a very serious condition develop. She started suffering from
vascilitis. She had little red spots on, mostly on her feet and lower
legs. It was capillaries popping. It can be a very serious condition.
They had her going to dermatologists and renal specialists because
between the vascilitis and the stoeroids used to treat it there was
serious risk of kidney damage. She was taking antihistamines for her
allergies, arthritis medication and HRT. She was eventually sent to a
doctor who specializes in arthritis and vasculitis and her took her off
all her medication. It cleared up.

She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good. She
recently started taking a new medication for the arthritis and, fingers
crossed, no vascilitis.

Arri wrote:

> Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
> sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
> pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
> years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
> increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes

Yeah, I had to chuckle when I actually LISTENED to some of the side effects
in a Cialis (I think) commercial one day: "Muscle pain, backache, loss of
sleep, and fatigue."

Heh heh heh... I wonder how THAT happened!

Bob

In article >, says...
>
> Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > Gloria P wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
> > > your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
> > > Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
> > >
> > > I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> > > diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> > > never steered me wrong so far.
> >
> > Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
> > informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
> > prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
> > doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
> > free samples?
>
> It is a mistake to think people are intelligently 'informed' by TV
> pharmaceutical ads. The *full* prescribing information that accompanies
> Rx drugs is long and detailed. Read the Physician's Desk Reference for
> examples; there is a copy on my bookshelf which is used in my work. The
> average patient cannot take it in and properly evaluate it; many
> physicians can hardly do it in the time available to them.
>
> The ads barely touch on the risks and side effects; these often take up
> a few paragraphs with statistics that take time to comprehend. The
> minute or so the average drug ad takes doesn't begin to deal with such
> information.

I'm not so sure about that. I know all too much about the drugs I've
taken. From Fexofenadine, Patanol, and prednisone. Of those three
prednisone is the nastiest of the bunch. I was only taking a 5mg dose
once a day.

Hip necrosis is one of the potential side effects as well as a host of
other horrors.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:38:53 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> fired up random neurons and synapses to
opine:

>On Feb 11, 11:52*am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>> On Feb 11, 11:15*am, "Dimitri" > wrote:

>> OK - Here's Lynn on her soapbox . . .
>> Advertising prescription drugs to potential consumers is immoral and
>> frequently offensive. *Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent by
>> pharmaceutical companies to elicit billions and billions of dollars in
>> profits. *I believe that is criminal. And I know that it disgusts me.
>> Lynn in Fargo- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I hope you have space on that soapbox for me. I hate that the drug
>companies spend billions on TV advertising aimed at the lowest common
>denominator.

Our GP told the DH that he actually has people coming into his office
asking for Brand Du Jour, essentially self-diagnosing and
self-prescribing. I cannot for the life of me understand why drug
companies are allowed to advertise - it jacks up the price of already
expensive drugs and advertises to an audience that doesn't have
prescription pad authority. Why? So the patient goes to his doctor and
insists that he be given a prescription for Brand Du Jour, because the
TV advertising genie trumps the doctor.

OB: What is it about curry that can cause an allergic reaction - every
single time - in someone who isn't allergic to anything else, to her
knowledge?

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

Squeaks wondered:

> OB: What is it about curry that can cause an allergic reaction - every
> single time - in someone who isn't allergic to anything else, to her
> knowledge?

I think curry is the only thing I eat which contains fenugreek. Might she be
allergic to that particular spice?

Bob

Pennyaline wrote:

> They do seem unnaturally upbeat when describing the risk of death.
> However, death is a possible side effect of any medication.

....or no treatment at all.

Lou Decruss wrote:

> Vermont Teddy Bear and Pajama Gram commercials are insulting to BOTH
> men and women. I can't wait for Valentines day to be over.
>
> Lou
>

I certainly would be insulted if someone sent me some stupid looking
Teddy bear. Geeesh, I HATE that commercial!

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:12 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>I had a horrible reaction to a medication, too. It was like that
>joke where someone stomps on your foot so you forget you
>had a headache. I'm more than a little leery of those side effects
>that hardly anyone gets, but if you're that one, you'll be sorry.

I was given Prednisone for a long period of time for my asthma. I
wound up with medication-induced diabetes. I wish I had known. But
that stuff's been around as long as dirt, so they don't advertise it.

Now I use Advair, which "may increase the chance of asthma-related
death." Say, what? But it helps a lot, so I use it.

Carol

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:51:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.

Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
and my joints would appreciate some relief.

Carol

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I also feel a need to ad (pun intended)...

The ambulance chaser attorneys. "If you've been hurt..." and ending in
"...I'm make them pay." That's just lawyers begging for money! I'd rather
give sidewalk musicians my money!!!

The other is 1-800-LemonLaw. Right. When my car becomes a lemon after
1,000,000 miles, I'll be sure to call!!!

Andy

Andy said...

> The other is 1-800-LemonLaw. Right. When my car becomes a lemon after
> 1,000,000 miles, I'll be sure to call!!!


And if you noticed... LemonLaw... is 8 "numbers" long while the number is
dialed after 1-800-LemonLa. The "w" is discarded by the phone company. Just a
cheap way to spell something.

Andy
1-800-BUMSrUS <--- I dialed it. It's a sex-line. Do NOT call!!! LOLOL!!!

Andy said...

> Andy said...
>
>> The other is 1-800-LemonLaw. Right. When my car becomes a lemon after
>> 1,000,000 miles, I'll be sure to call!!!
>
>
> And if you noticed... LemonLaw... is 8 "numbers" long while the number
> is dialed after 1-800-LemonLa. The "w" is discarded by the phone
> company. Just a cheap way to spell something.
>
> Andy
> 1-800-BUMSrUS <--- I dialed it. It's a sex-line. Do NOT call!!! LOLOL!!!


I'm in error, again! The commercial just broadcast. It's 1-800-My-Lemon.

Their business is still shady!!!

Andy

On Feb 11, 7:53*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> merryb replied:
>
> >> It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
> >> commercials. As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the tv.. I
> >> didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. I will never buy any
> >> products that he advertises.
> > No shit- I dispise that guy. Why does he have to yell all the time?
>
> Have you seen the Billy Mays poster currently circulating around the
> Internet?
>
> http://i39.tinypic.com/qp4apx.jpg
>
> The image quality is crappy, but it seems to capture his attitude.
>
> Bob

My husband found a picture of Billy Mays, printed off a bunch, and
took
them to the pistol range the last time he went. He doesn't usually
shoot at human-looking targets, but he'd been watching too much
television
over the holidays and he'd had enough of Billy Mays shouting at him
every 12 minutes.

Cindy Hamilton

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> On Feb 11, 11:15 am, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>> Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>>
>> It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful, but
>> I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>>
>> I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. DUH!
>>
>> I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
>>
>> I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
>>
>> Lets see what else we can come up with.
>>
>> "I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> OK - Here's Lynn on her soapbox . . .
> Advertising prescription drugs to potential consumers is immoral and
> frequently offensive. Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent by
> pharmaceutical companies to elicit billions and billions of dollars in
> profits. I believe that is criminal. And I know that it disgusts me.
> Lynn in Fargo

You just need to get with the program. Whatever megacorps do is totally
acceptable. And if they should make really stupid decisions/get extra
greedy etc they can just get the red and blue teams to transfer our
money to them as in the current bailouts and "stimulus" plans.

On 2009-02-11, Dimitri > wrote:

> I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.


There's insulting and then there's annoying. In the insulting catagory, I
vote for the invent-a-disease medicine commercials. What was that stupid
med that had the smiling/frowning bubbles bouncing around to the laments of
"do you feel self-conscious at social gatherings?". Yeah, it's called
shyness, you dolts. I think it's off the market. Also the yellow toenail
drug with goblins lurking under your toenail. Wash yer feet, dirtbag!

Now annoying: Nothing, not even Billie Mays, is as annoying as Geico. Gawd,
I hate those commercials. Yes, some are clever, but others are beyond
stupid. Their latest, with the eyeballs on the stack of money, is
intolerable. Worse, they run the same commercial twice, back-to-back. I'm
even more annoyed by Geico because I've learned they are a really slimey
insurance company. You have to either wait forever or almost take your own
insurance company to court to get them to pay on a claim.

nb

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:51:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>
> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
> and my joints would appreciate some relief.

I get it from local cherry farms. The one closest to me sells it in 5
gallon pails. Another one sells concentrate. It is $40 for a 2 litre
jug. It sounded really expensive, but you dilute it 8 or 10 to 1. And it
is delicious.

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:47:06 -0600, wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:39:54 -0600, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>>He's as annoying as that Vince guy that wears the boom mike selling
>>sham wow.
>>
>>Lou
>
>I can tolerate the Shamwow idiot, although he is annoying, but when
>Billy Mays comes on, no matter what I'm doing, I must shut off the
>sound or the tv. I simply can not tolerate him at all. How does he
>sell stuff? I can not understand it. I'll watch or at least ignore
>most commercials without muting the sound, but not his. I dont even
>know what half the stuff is that he sells, because I kill the
>commercials. What gets me is that there can be tasteful, and even
>enjoyable commercials. The one that comes to mind are the Budweiser
>Clydesdale commecials from the superbowl. I love them. They make me
>want to see them, and I feel good about buying their products. Buying
>anything that Billy Mays sells means that a few cents of my purchase
>will go to him. I wouldn't give that asshole the shit in my toilet
>(unless I could personally shove it in his big mouth).

More often than not commercials turn me away from a product than
influence me positively. I've never bought anything from TV but I was
gifted one of those little steam cleaners. Someone we know ordered
one and was sent two. I had seen the commercial and they asked if we
wanted the extra one. I said no buy my SO insisted we take it. It
sat on a shelf for a couple of months unopened. After an extremely
messy cooking session I tried it on the stove and I have to say it did
a wonderful job with absolutely no chemicals. One of our bathrooms is
in an 80 year old home with all the pipes exposed. Everything is
painted in high gloss paint but still hard to keep clean as we live a
stones throw from the train. The streamer makes them look brand new
in just a few minutes. So some of the stuff may work but I would have
never bought it based on the commercial.

Lou

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:00:12 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Arri wrote:
>
>> Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
>> sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
>> pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
>> years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
>> increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes
>
>Yeah, I had to chuckle when I actually LISTENED to some of the side effects
>in a Cialis (I think) commercial one day: "Muscle pain, backache, loss of
>sleep, and fatigue."
>
>Heh heh heh... I wonder how THAT happened!

LOL. A 4 hour stiffie will do that to someone our age. A buddie gets
viagra samples and gave me a few. By the time it wore off the first
time I tried one I had all those symptoms and slept for hours. All
Louise had was a smile.

Lou

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:08:00 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> Vermont Teddy Bear and Pajama Gram commercials are insulting to BOTH
>> men and women. I can't wait for Valentines day to be over.
>>
>> Lou
>>
>
>I certainly would be insulted if someone sent me some stupid looking
>Teddy bear. Geeesh, I HATE that commercial!

I'd get my ass kicked if I wasted money on something that stupid.

Lou

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Arri London wrote:
> >
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >> Gloria P wrote:
> >>>
> >>> AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
> >>> your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
> >>> Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
> >>>
> >>> I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> >>> diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> >>> never steered me wrong so far.
> >> Would you prefer to get a prescription for a drug that you have been
> >> informed about and heard the risks of, or would you prefer to get a
> >> prescription for a drug from a company whose salesman just took the
> >> doctor out for a nice dinner, gave him some pens, mugs and a bunch of
> >> free samples?
> >
> > It is a mistake to think people are intelligently 'informed' by TV
> > pharmaceutical ads. The *full* prescribing information that accompanies
> > Rx drugs is long and detailed. Read the Physician's Desk Reference for
> > examples; there is a copy on my bookshelf which is used in my work. The
> > average patient cannot take it in and properly evaluate it; many
> > physicians can hardly do it in the time available to them.
> >
> > The ads barely touch on the risks and side effects; these often take up
> > a few paragraphs with statistics that take time to comprehend. The
> > minute or so the average drug ad takes doesn't begin to deal with such
> > information.
>
> That may be true, but I don't think that anyone is suggesting that they
> tell you everything you need to know, all possible side effects, side
> effects when taken in combination with other drugs etc.

No, but in this case a little information that isn't understood can do a
lot of harm. Doctors in the US have every right to be terrified of being
sued by disgruntled patients. The drug companies know this and know that
many MDs will prescribe rather than be accused of malpractice by a
patient who demanded pills and didn't get them.


>At least people
> learn that there may be treatment for a condition they have, especially
> if it is something that they may be embarrassed about.

They can learn that better by asking the health care provider in the
first place, which is needed, advert or not. Keep in mind that what's
advertised on TV are the profitable drugs which are still under patent.
Absolutely no relation to effectiveness, which doesn't need to be that
high for FDA approval.

There's nothing wrong with public service ads targetting this or that
condition; there are a few on TV. Those probably do more to encourage
people to seek medical care than ads for expensive prescription meds.

On Feb 11, 4:53*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> merryb replied:
>
> >> It might be insulting, but its still not as bad as all Billy Mays
> >> commercials. As soon as I hear that asshole, I mute or shut off the tv.. I
> >> didnt get a tv for some asshole to scream at me. I will never buy any
> >> products that he advertises.
> > No shit- I dispise that guy. Why does he have to yell all the time?
>
> Have you seen the Billy Mays poster currently circulating around the
> Internet?
>
> http://i39.tinypic.com/qp4apx.jpg
>
> The image quality is crappy, but it seems to capture his attitude.
>
> Bob

OMFG!!! Nice spray on my screen now...

LM said:
The one that comes to mind is the Budweiser Clydesdale commercials from
the superbowl. I love them. They make me want to see them, and I feel
good about buying their products
________________________________
Some of the Clydesdales live down the street from me. We have a
Budweiser plant here in So.NH and some of the teams live here
permanently. They are magnificent in person, and when they have a new
baby we all go visiting. I love watching them graze in the field behind
their stalls, you can walk through their grooming areas and get up
close. You can also tour the bottling plant and sample the different
types of beer. Unfortunately I hate beer, I also hate the smell of beer
which lingers in the air on hot humid days.

Denise

On Feb 11, 12:15*pm, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>
> It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful, but
> I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>
> I you have RA you would know where the pain is coming from. *DUH!
>
> I just think the ad agency must think people with RA are idiots.
>
> I am not sure what you think but I think its insulting.
>
> Lets see what else we can come up with.
>
> "I knew a fracture was painful but I didn't know it involved my bones.
>
> Dimitri

The one I think is totally ignorant is about Asthma Meds, and what is
the guy doing?? Sanding a wooden sailboat?? Hello??? Everyone with
Asthma knows better than to do this, especially without a mask. How
stupid is Madison Ave these days???
Nan

On 2009-02-12, merryb > wrote:

> OMFG!!! Nice spray on my screen now...

You gotta know they picked this guy partially, if not completely, for his
incredibly annoying voice. He's the human equivelent of a peacock howl.

nb

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:51:52 -0500, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>
> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
> and my joints would appreciate some relief.
>
> Carol
>


Health food type stores. Be careful, I think it's quite laxative.

gloria p