On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:25:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Now annoying: Nothing, not even Billie Mays, is as annoying as Geico. Gawd,
>I hate those commercials. Yes, some are clever, but others are beyond
>stupid. Their latest, with the eyeballs on the stack of money, is
>intolerable. Worse, they run the same commercial twice, back-to-back. I'm
>even more annoyed by Geico because I've learned they are a really slimey
>insurance company. You have to either wait forever or almost take your own
>insurance company to court to get them to pay on a claim.

That was never my experience with them. They were great!

Carol

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:17:41 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>OB: What is it about curry that can cause an allergic reaction - every
>single time - in someone who isn't allergic to anything else, to her
>knowledge?
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

The first question, Squeaks, is whether you're preparing your own or
using a mix. If the former, you must be allergic to one of the
components. If the latter, who knows what junk is in there. Also,
if you cook the curry first, there might be something produced
in the cooking that's setting the allergic reaction off.

HTH

Alex

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:40:34 -0500, Felice wrote:

> "Nancy2" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> The most insulting ones by far, are all the ones where the person's
>> child (teenager or whatever) blithely informs the sufferer about new
>> medications, new medical information, etc., that they apparently have
>> found on the web. Yeah, right. Second worst ones are the ones which
>> show that the woman always needs help from either the husband or the
>> son to find out medical information.
>
> Yes! I'd like to strangle the kid who shows his simpering mom the
> information he found on the internet about the disease du jour.
>
> Felice

i don't think i've seen any of this genre. i must not be watching enough
t.v. (most of the stuff i watch is late at night on the low-rent station.
lots of floozies advertising phone chat lines and ads for vocational school
for the unemployed.)

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:31:46 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2009-02-11, > wrote:
>
>> (FYI, that was a Sam Waterston fake ad on SNL. Couldn't find it on
>> YouTube)
>
> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/video_oldglory_hi.html
>
> I've been a Sam Waterston fan ever since I'll Fly Away, but was shocked to
> my toenails when I saw him in this old western playing an Indian. No
> kidding, and barechested on a horse, no less. I think the movie was Eagle's
> Wing from 1979. Whatta hoot.
>
> nb

he's got the beak for it.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:17:41 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:38:53 -0800 (PST), Nancy2
> > fired up random neurons and synapses to
> opine:
>
>>On Feb 11, 11:52*am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>>> On Feb 11, 11:15*am, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>>> OK - Here's Lynn on her soapbox . . .
>>> Advertising prescription drugs to potential consumers is immoral and
>>> frequently offensive. *Hundreds of millions of dollars are spent by
>>> pharmaceutical companies to elicit billions and billions of dollars in
>>> profits. *I believe that is criminal. And I know that it disgusts me.
>>> Lynn in Fargo- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>I hope you have space on that soapbox for me. I hate that the drug
>>companies spend billions on TV advertising aimed at the lowest common
>>denominator.
>
> Our GP told the DH that he actually has people coming into his office
> asking for Brand Du Jour, essentially self-diagnosing and
> self-prescribing. I cannot for the life of me understand why drug
> companies are allowed to advertise - it jacks up the price of already
> expensive drugs and advertises to an audience that doesn't have
> prescription pad authority. Why? So the patient goes to his doctor and
> insists that he be given a prescription for Brand Du Jour, because the
> TV advertising genie trumps the doctor.
>

it *was* illegal at one time. the new regime is one of the wonders of
deregulation.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:51:53 -0600, "Jinx Minx" >
wrote:


>> It wasn't so long ago that some people were terribly offended by adds for
>> feminine hygiene products. Yet, if it weren't for those adds, some women
>> would not be aware that those types of products were even available.
>
>Are you kidding me?! Perhaps MEN might not be aware of the different types
>of products, but you're completely out of touch with reality if you think a
>woman wouldn't. How patronizing.

JM, some years back there were ads for stuff like raspberry/strawberry
*personal* deodorant spray. Were these people marketing to the guys?

A few months back I coudn't sleep and did an all nighter with the TV,
and caught an add for a Trojan vibrator finger ring. It was never
shown, but 3 gals were giggling about the product (one of them had
apparently bought one) while on their way to lunch, IIRC. I figured
they were marketing to the gals, myself.

Alex

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:04:44 -0600, Jinx Minx wrote:

> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Jinx Minx wrote:
>>>
>>>> It wasn't so long ago that some people were terribly offended by adds
>>>> for feminine hygiene products. Yet, if it weren't for those adds, some
>>>> women would not be aware that those types of products were even
>>>> available.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding me?! Perhaps MEN might not be aware of the different
>>> types of products, but you're completely out of touch with reality if you
>>> think a woman wouldn't. How patronizing.
>>
>>
>> No I am not kidding, and it was women who seemed to be the most offended
>> by them. My mother in law was quite irritated when my sister in law
>> appeared in one for tampons. My wife disagreed with her. Being a special
>> ed teacher at the time, and having been a social worker, she was the one
>> who suggested to me that there would be women out there who didn't know.
>> She cited the cases of girls raised by fathers who didn't know much about
>> the topic, or by strict parents who kept their kids in the dark, or those
>> who are just plain stupid. That was back in the 60s when stuff like that
>> was not discussed in public, the days when girls would have their first
>> period and not know what was happening.
>
> Well, that was 40 years ago. Times have changed. You no longer have to go
> back to the pharmacy counter and embarassingly ask for a box of product like
> it's a dirty subject.
>
> Jinx

i thought that was condoms.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:33:33 -0700, Gloria P wrote:

> Dimitri wrote:
>> Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>>
>> It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful,
>> but I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>
> Yes, DOH! They get worse and worse.
>
> AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
> your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
> Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
>
> I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> never steered me wrong so far.
>
> gloria p

hot damn! oxycontin, here we come!

your pal,
rush

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:41:40 -0500, Felice wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Gloria P wrote:
>>
>>> How "informed" do you feel after the glitzy commercials for drugs?
>>> The only valid parts seem to me to be the side-effects warnings.
>>
>> It's funny to hear how cheerful and upbeat they can sound
>> while telling you that 'in some cases' side effects such as
>> death can occur.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Death -- just a wee side effect!
>
> Felice

well, it is true that you don't notice it after a while.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:18:52 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Felice wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> It's funny to hear how cheerful and upbeat they can sound
>>> while telling you that 'in some cases' side effects such as
>>> death can occur.
>
>> Death -- just a wee side effect!
>
>Contact your doctor if that occurs!
>
>nancy

There's been an ad running here in SE Texas for one of those
class-actionn legal firms, drumming up business for patients
who received a certain type of treatment. It states that if you
or someone you know has been made ill or died from this
treatment, call them.

Alex

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:01:32 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> Pennyaline wrote:
>
>> They do seem unnaturally upbeat when describing the risk of death.
>> However, death is a possible side effect of any medication.
>
> ...or no treatment at all.

you might as well avoid both risks and off yourself now.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:58:13 -0700, Gloria P >
wrote:

>Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:51:52 -0500, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>>
>> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
>> and my joints would appreciate some relief.
>
>Health food type stores. Be careful, I think it's quite laxative.

Thanks, lady. We even have a health food store or two in town. I'll
check it out.

Carol, who just ate a bag of Australian licorice

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On Feb 11, 11:52*pm, Damsel in dis Dress >
wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:51:52 -0500, Dave Smith
>
> > wrote:
> >She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
> >natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>
> Where do you get that stuff, please? *Sounds like it would be tasty,
> and my joints would appreciate some relief.
>
> Carol
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Grocery or health food store. Look for Knudson brand. Not cheap. Try
regular cherry juice or a handful of dried cherries - works for gout
(related to RA)
Lynn in Fargo
feel better!

"Chemiker" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:51:53 -0600, "Jinx Minx" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>> It wasn't so long ago that some people were terribly offended by adds
>>> for
>>> feminine hygiene products. Yet, if it weren't for those adds, some
>>> women
>>> would not be aware that those types of products were even available.
>>
>>Are you kidding me?! Perhaps MEN might not be aware of the different
>>types
>>of products, but you're completely out of touch with reality if you think
>>a
>>woman wouldn't. How patronizing.
>
> JM, some years back there were ads for stuff like raspberry/strawberry
> *personal* deodorant spray. Were these people marketing to the guys?
>
> A few months back I coudn't sleep and did an all nighter with the TV,
> and caught an add for a Trojan vibrator finger ring. It was never
> shown, but 3 gals were giggling about the product (one of them had
> apparently bought one) while on their way to lunch, IIRC. I figured
> they were marketing to the gals, myself.
>
> Alex

Of course they are marketing to women, but that had nothing to do with my
point.

JM

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
...
>
> Our GP told the DH that he actually has people coming into his office
> asking for Brand Du Jour, essentially self-diagnosing and
> self-prescribing. I cannot for the life of me understand why drug
> companies are allowed to advertise -

> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd


There are 2 very simple answers to your statement/question albeit
rhetorical in nature.

1. Payola to congress by the ethical drug lobbyists.
2. The desire of the drug companies to improve our lives in the same way
as DuPont
( for those too young to remember DuPont - Better living through
chemistry)

Dimitri

Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:12 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> I had a horrible reaction to a medication, too. It was like that
>> joke where someone stomps on your foot so you forget you
>> had a headache. I'm more than a little leery of those side effects
>> that hardly anyone gets, but if you're that one, you'll be sorry.
>
> I was given Prednisone for a long period of time for my asthma. I
> wound up with medication-induced diabetes. I wish I had known. But
> that stuff's been around as long as dirt, so they don't advertise it.

Ugh. Prednisalone was what just about killed me.

> Now I use Advair, which "may increase the chance of asthma-related
> death." Say, what? But it helps a lot, so I use it.

heh. Well, I hope you don't get that one side effect.

nancy

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

> I don't care when they go on and on about how much
>money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
>CEO takes home.

I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.

Alex

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:44:40 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
>sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
>pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
>years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
>increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes

Ah yes. The old geezer *came* before he *went*.

Alex

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:13:25 -0600, "Jinx Minx" >
wrote:

>
>"Chemiker" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:51:53 -0600, "Jinx Minx" >
>> wrote:

>>>Are you kidding me?! Perhaps MEN might not be aware of the different
>>>types
>>>of products, but you're completely out of touch with reality if you think
>>>a
>>>woman wouldn't.
>>
>> JM, some years back there were ads for stuff like raspberry/strawberry
>> *personal* deodorant spray. Were these people marketing to the guys?
>>
>> A few months back I coudn't sleep and did an all nighter with the TV,
>> and caught an add for a Trojan vibrator finger ring. It was never
>> shown, but 3 gals were giggling about the product (one of them had
>> apparently bought one) while on their way to lunch, IIRC. I figured
>> they were marketing to the gals, myself.
>>
>> Alex
>
>Of course they are marketing to women, but that had nothing to do with my
>point.
>

I guess I don''t get it. If women already know about the product, why
market to them? Your statement "you're out of touch with reality if
you think a woman wouldn't." seems to say that marketing such to
women is not necessary, while these ads do just that...

Alex, confused.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:22:24 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:15:12 -0500, "Nancy Young"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I had a horrible reaction to a medication, too. It was like that
>>> joke where someone stomps on your foot so you forget you
>>> had a headache. I'm more than a little leery of those side effects
>>> that hardly anyone gets, but if you're that one, you'll be sorry.
>>
>> I was given Prednisone for a long period of time for my asthma. I
>> wound up with medication-induced diabetes. I wish I had known. But
>> that stuff's been around as long as dirt, so they don't advertise it.
>
>Ugh. Prednisalone was what just about killed me.

I must've missed that one. What happened?

>> Now I use Advair, which "may increase the chance of asthma-related
>> death." Say, what? But it helps a lot, so I use it.
>
>heh. Well, I hope you don't get that one side effect.

Yeah, that'd be nice. LOL!

Carol

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:56:59 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:01:32 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>
>>> They do seem unnaturally upbeat when describing the risk of death.
>>> However, death is a possible side effect of any medication.
>>
>> ...or no treatment at all.
>
>you might as well avoid both risks and off yourself now.
>
>your pal,
>blake

Now THAT's risk management!

Alex

On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:13:04 -0600, Roughrider50
> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:15:11 -0800, "Dimitri" >
>wrote:
>


>Most of your "snake oil" commercials are fairly insulting to begin
>with. There must be a lot of gullible people in the world because
>those peddlers are spending a lot of money to hawk their wares on TV.
>Now if you really want to get into distasteful commercials let's go
>with the one with a couple in the canoe where the boat springs a leak
>and the girl plugs it with a tampon. For some reason I find this
>commercial tasteless.

You force me to take the side opposite to my view. I carry tampons
in my auto first aid kit. As early as WW-II there were absorbant
bandages for severe wounds, looked like sanitary pads with
a bandage attached. Tampons stuck into bad wounds and bound
in place can save lives. Ask any service medic.

Alex

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:52 -0600, Damsel in dis Dress
> wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:25:12 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>Now annoying: Nothing, not even Billie Mays, is as annoying as Geico. Gawd,
>>I hate those commercials. Yes, some are clever, but others are beyond
>>stupid. Their latest, with the eyeballs on the stack of money, is
>>intolerable. Worse, they run the same commercial twice, back-to-back. I'm
>>even more annoyed by Geico because I've learned they are a really slimey
>>insurance company. You have to either wait forever or almost take your own
>>insurance company to court to get them to pay on a claim.
>
>That was never my experience with them. They were great!

I used them when I was in the service. The name GEICO originally
stoof for Gov't Employees Insurance Co. They catered to gov't
types and members of the armed fores because they had better
health care and physial screening up front, thus lower anticipated
payouts.

Then something changed...... the rest is history.

There is still one company I know of that used the same
strategy and keeps to it. It's called USAA. THey started
out catering to the military through a bank in San
Antonio and supported our military all over the world.
They still give top notch service, IMHO. My cars, my
house, some of my my finances are in their hands.
Interestingly enough, customers are also shareholders.
It's a sort of coop. I get dividends back on my
participation based on their overall profit. Works for me.

Alex

Chemiker wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
> > I don't care when they go on and on about how much
> >money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
> >CEO takes home.
>
> I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
> Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
> for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
> package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
> expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
> Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
> Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.
>
> Alex


And what was their advertising budget for that year?

Arri London wrote:

>
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:33:33 -0700, Gloria P wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dimitri wrote:
>>>
>>>>Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
>>>>
>>>>It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful,
>>>>but I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
>>>
>>>Yes, DOH! They get worse and worse.
>>>
>>>AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
>>>your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
>>>Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
>>>
>>>I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
>>>diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
>>>never steered me wrong so far.
>>>
>>>gloria p
>>
>>hot damn! oxycontin, here we come!
>>
>>your pal,
>>rush
>
>
> LOL. Hey in the hospital, had a scrip for oxycontin (or one of its
> relatives) given to me (by a doctor who never saw me) to take home. That
> was after being there for two weeks needing no pain reliever stronger
> than paracetamol/acetominophen. Very nearly filled the Rx with the
> intent of going out on the main drag and selling it

In breaking news, a local veterinary clinic was burgularized last night,
the perpetrators making off with an undetermined number of vials of
oxytocin.

The suspects were described as white males in their early twenties, with
sensitive nipples and nurturing personalities.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:33:33 -0700, Gloria P wrote:
>
> > Dimitri wrote:
> >> Have you seen the newest Enbrel commercial?
> >>
> >> It opens with a woman saying, "I knew rheumatoid arthritis was painful,
> >> but I didn't know it could attack my joints!"
> >
> > Yes, DOH! They get worse and worse.
> >
> > AFAIAC the most insulting is any one that tells you to "ask"
> > your doctor for a Rx for a new med. Why bother to go to a doctor?
> > Just steal a prescription pad and prescribe them all for yourself.
> >
> > I much prefer to go to the doctor informed but let HIM do the
> > diagnosing and prescribing, after I ask a few questions. He's
> > never steered me wrong so far.
> >
> > gloria p
>
> hot damn! oxycontin, here we come!
>
> your pal,
> rush

LOL. Hey in the hospital, had a scrip for oxycontin (or one of its
relatives) given to me (by a doctor who never saw me) to take home. That
was after being there for two weeks needing no pain reliever stronger
than paracetamol/acetominophen. Very nearly filled the Rx with the
intent of going out on the main drag and selling it

Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:00:12 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>
> >Arri wrote:
> >
> >> Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
> >> sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
> >> pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
> >> years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
> >> increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes
> >
> >Yeah, I had to chuckle when I actually LISTENED to some of the side effects
> >in a Cialis (I think) commercial one day: "Muscle pain, backache, loss of
> >sleep, and fatigue."
> >
> >Heh heh heh... I wonder how THAT happened!
>
> LOL. A 4 hour stiffie will do that to someone our age. A buddie gets
> viagra samples and gave me a few. By the time it wore off the first
> time I tried one I had all those symptoms and slept for hours. All
> Louise had was a smile.
>
> Lou


ROTFL!

Chemiker wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:44:40 -0700, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Now that one is fair enough. When Viagra became readily available, the
> >sudden increase in deaths due to heart attack was put down to the 'blue
> >pill' itself. Turned out that all the old geezers who hadn't had sex in
> >years were dying due to the strain on the heart of the suddenly
> >increased activity. There are worse ways to die one supposes
>
> Ah yes. The old geezer *came* before he *went*.
>
> Alex

There is that of course...

Chemiker wrote:
> I guess I don''t get it. If women already know about the product, why
> market to them? Your statement "you're out of touch with reality if
> you think a woman wouldn't." seems to say that marketing such to
> women is not necessary, while these ads do just that...
>
> Alex, confused.

How could you possibly miss the drift of it? It's all about the new and
improved. People already know about refrigerators and motor vehicles and
kitchen stoves, but the products are still marketed to those same people.

Chemiker wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't care when they go on and on about how much
>> money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
>> CEO takes home.
>
> I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
> Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
> for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
> package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
> expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
> Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
> Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.

You neglected to mention just how much he is paid each year.

<and, all things considered these days, are we really expected to
believe the annual report?>

jmcquown wrote:
> "Pennyaline" > wrote
>> Do you have any of those conditions, Jill? The side effects may be
>> manna from heaven when compared to the effects of the diseases
>> themselves.
>
>
>
> Depends on what conditions you're talking about. I have a few minor
> medical issues; I'm not on any prescription medication. The ads I see
> on TV often rattle off "possible side effects include heart attack,
> stroke or death". Gee, how inviting. lol

Then step out of your comfort zone a moment, Jill, and try to imagine
what things might be like for you if your medical issues could not be
successfully managed in any way other than the recommended medication
regimen. I use Advair, which has quite serious side effects including
respiratory arrest. It's incredibly ironic, since Advair is meant to
reduce airway constriction and inflammation of asthma but can cause
asthma attack. But the stuff works to make my breathing easier, and if I
continue to use it as recommended it will continue to do so. Risks
versus benefits, Jill. By the same token, the risks of using erectile
dysfunction medications are NOT worth the risks associated with them.
Okay, personal priorities have something to do with that opinion, and I
believe resolutely that it is far more important for me to breathe than
for some old geezer to get it up. I'm just sayin'.

Damsel wrote:

>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>
> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
> and my joints would appreciate some relief.

I wonder if it would be feasible to drink Cherry Heering instead.

Bob, likes Cherry Heering

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:58:23 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>
>>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>>
>> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
>> and my joints would appreciate some relief.
>
>I wonder if it would be feasible to drink Cherry Heering instead.
>
>Bob, likes Cherry Heering

I love that stuff!! Dad used to buy it when I was a kid.

Carol

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:58:23 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>
>>> She started drinking sour cherry juice, which is supposed to be a good
>>> natural treatment for arthritis and seemed to be doing pretty good.
>>
>> Where do you get that stuff, please? Sounds like it would be tasty,
>> and my joints would appreciate some relief.
>
>I wonder if it would be feasible to drink Cherry Heering instead.
>
>Bob, likes Cherry Heering

Oops! Cherry Heering is what is available now. I grew up on Cherry
Jensen (not sure of spelling) from Denmark.

Carol

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"Denise in NH" > wrote in message
...
> LM said:
> The one that comes to mind is the Budweiser Clydesdale commercials from
> the superbowl. I love them. They make me want to see them, and I feel
> good about buying their products
> ________________________________
> Some of the Clydesdales live down the street from me. We have a
> Budweiser plant here in So.NH and some of the teams live here
> permanently. They are magnificent in person, and when they have a new
> baby we all go visiting. I love watching them graze in the field behind
> their stalls, you can walk through their grooming areas and get up
> close. You can also tour the bottling plant and sample the different
> types of beer. Unfortunately I hate beer, I also hate the smell of beer
> which lingers in the air on hot humid days.
>
> Denise

"Beer is proof God loves us." - Benjamin Franklin -

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:00:46 -0600, Chemiker wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:56:59 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:01:32 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>>
>>>> They do seem unnaturally upbeat when describing the risk of death.
>>>> However, death is a possible side effect of any medication.
>>>
>>> ...or no treatment at all.
>>
>>you might as well avoid both risks and off yourself now.
>>
>>your pal,
>>blake
>
> Now THAT's risk management!
>
> Alex

why **** around?

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:09:31 -0700, Arri London wrote:

> Chemiker wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't care when they go on and on about how much
>>>money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
>>>CEO takes home.
>>
>> I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
>> Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
>> for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
>> package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
>> expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
>> Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
>> Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.
>>
>> Alex
>
> And what was their advertising budget for that year?

i was going to say something like that. i'm under the impression the
advertising budget is greater than that for r & d.

hmm, looks like i'm right:

ScienceDaily (Jan. 7, 2008) €” A new study by two York University
researchers estimates the U.S. pharmaceutical industry spends almost twice
as much on promotion as it does on research and development, contrary to
the industrys claim.

The researchers estimate is based on the systematic collection of data
directly from the industry and doctors during 2004, which shows the U.S.
pharmaceutical industry spent 24.4% of the sales dollar on promotion,
versus 13.4% for research and development, as a percentage of US domestic
sales of US$235.4 billion.

The research is co-authored by PhD candidate Marc-André Gagnon, who led the
study with Joel Lexchin, a long-time researcher of pharmaceutical
promotion, Toronto physician, and Associate Chair of Yorks School of
Health Policy & Management in the Faculty of Health.

<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080105140107.htm>

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:41:21 -0700, Pennyaline wrote:

> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Pennyaline" > wrote
>>> Do you have any of those conditions, Jill? The side effects may be
>>> manna from heaven when compared to the effects of the diseases
>>> themselves.
>>
>> Depends on what conditions you're talking about. I have a few minor
>> medical issues; I'm not on any prescription medication. The ads I see
>> on TV often rattle off "possible side effects include heart attack,
>> stroke or death". Gee, how inviting. lol
>
> Then step out of your comfort zone a moment, Jill, and try to imagine
> what things might be like for you if your medical issues could not be
> successfully managed in any way other than the recommended medication
> regimen. I use Advair, which has quite serious side effects including
> respiratory arrest. It's incredibly ironic, since Advair is meant to
> reduce airway constriction and inflammation of asthma but can cause
> asthma attack. But the stuff works to make my breathing easier, and if I
> continue to use it as recommended it will continue to do so. Risks
> versus benefits, Jill. By the same token, the risks of using erectile
> dysfunction medications are NOT worth the risks associated with them.
> Okay, personal priorities have something to do with that opinion, and I
> believe resolutely that it is far more important for me to breathe than
> for some old geezer to get it up. I'm just sayin'.

but you need to breathe all the time and the geezer only needs to get it up
once in a while.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:09:31 -0700, Arri London >
wrote:

>
>
>Chemiker wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > I don't care when they go on and on about how much
>> >money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
>> >CEO takes home.
>>
>> I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
>> Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
>> for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
>> package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
>> expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
>> Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
>> Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.
>>
>> Alex
>
>
>And what was their advertising budget for that year?

Depends on whit you call "advertising". What we think of under
that term is consolidated with related other expenses in an
annual report. There is usually a line that consolidates all
expenses related to marketing, including salaries, consulting,
marketing contractors, and, within the rules of GAAP,
expenses related to actual sales.

Not that it matters a lot. I was responding to a comparison
of CEO compensation and R&D expense. You are welcome
to download the annuall report of (pick your own company)
and look at the financials (not the balance sheet, which is
assets/liabilities), including unaudited recent quarterly
reports. Go for it. Test your assumptions.

Alex, not for hire.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:31:25 -0700, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>Chemiker wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:38:55 -0700, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't care when they go on and on about how much
>>> money is invested in R&D, because it pales by comparison to how much the
>>> CEO takes home.
>>
>> I think you might have a decimal point error in their somewhere. FE:
>> Hank McKinnell is CEO of Pfizer. Regardless of which figure you use
>> for his comp., including the $83 Million one-time retirement
>> package, the number is small compared to the Research and Development
>> expense each year. For 2007, the last audited annual report for
>> Pfizer, R&D accounted for 8.08 BILLION dollars. This is $8,080
>> Million, a tad more than CEO McKinnel makes, I think.
>
>You neglected to mention just how much he is paid each year.
>
><and, all things considered these days, are we really expected to
>believe the annual report?>

Ah! Distrust everything..... Well then, why should I even bother to
discuss this with you? One Enron and, I expect, you hung a red
flag on your bedroom wall<G>... If you don't trust anything, you
must accept that your accusations and doubts are based on no
actual knowledge. If you really give a damn, read the reports
yourself. If your math isn;t that good, find someone who can.
If you're nihilistic about the whole thing, go find yourself a
commune somewhere and get a log hut.

Alex