"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> If I had to carry around a laptop, a cellphone, an ipod, a camera and a
> book I was reading everywhere, THAT would be inconvenient.
>

Thing is, no one has to carry those things around. If you like the gadget,
more power to ya. I don't feel the need for any of those things the moment
I leave the house.

Jill

Andy said...

> About the only thing wrong with the iphone in general is it's almost
> entirely hand/touch driven.

And when not in a car dash mount it often requires two hand operation.


I did look at the blackberry storm. They totally ripped off the iPhone.

They outdid the iPhone in several areas:

*Removable SD memory card
*Removable battery
*Stereo Bluetooth
*Higher camera resolution
*MMS messaging
*MS Office apps

Missing:
3G networking?
Full color application icons?

No comment:
Software library and software development tools

A good cellphone!
Andy

Gregory Morrow wrote:
> I HATE phones in any case, I find them extremely annoying, and I'm not
> looking to be even *more* annoyed than I already am...

Heaven forfend...

jmcquown wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.

> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me.

It's a very good concept. And my gas is cheaper than a lot
of places, too. It's all good.

> Granted, every state
> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
> accepting rolled coins.

For free. They do accept them, you just pay. I haven't checked
the policy lately, I don't have a massive coin problem or anything.
There is one bank that advertises free coin counting. Not worth
opening an account to save a few bucks in Coinstar.

I saw one of those How It's Made shows that featured Coinstar.
I can certainly see why they charge, this is some operation.

nancy

jmcquown said...

> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> If I had to carry around a laptop, a cellphone, an ipod, a camera and
>> a book I was reading everywhere, THAT would be inconvenient.
>>
>
> Thing is, no one has to carry those things around. If you like the
> gadget, more power to ya. I don't feel the need for any of those things
> the moment I leave the house.
>
> Jill


Jill,

All I can say to that is, you're certainlly not alone!

Best,

Andy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Stephanie wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>
>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>
> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>
> nancy


Well that rots.

jmcquown wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Stephanie wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>
>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>
>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>
>> nancy
>
>
> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every state
> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
> accepting rolled coins.
> Jill


OR?

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>
>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>
>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
>> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me.
>
> It's a very good concept. And my gas is cheaper than a lot
> of places, too. It's all good.
>
I dunno. I just filled my tank for $1.70/ gallon but I didn't have some guy
rush out to wash my windshield or check the oil or put the air in my tires.
To me that's what "full service" means. I haven't seen that scenario in
years. And I've been pumping my own gasoline since the 1970's

>> Granted, every state
>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>> accepting rolled coins.
>
> For free. They do accept them, you just pay.

We must have our wires crossed. My bank doesn't charge if I bring in rolled
coins. And I don't use their machine to count them. I just count them,
wrap them, take them in... no charge.

Jill

"Stephanie" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>
>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>>>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>>>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>>>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>>
>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
>> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every state
>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>> accepting rolled coins.
>> Jill
>
>
> OR?
>

Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump your own
gasoline there. I find that peculiar.

Jill

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> Andy said...
>
>> About the only thing wrong with the iphone in general is it's almost
>> entirely hand/touch driven.
>
> And when not in a car dash mount it often requires two hand operation.
>
>
> I did look at the blackberry storm. They totally ripped off the iPhone.
>

Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and with
much fanfare). It's just a gadget.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote

>> It's a very good concept. And my gas is cheaper than a lot
>> of places, too. It's all good.
>>
> I dunno. I just filled my tank for $1.70/ gallon but I didn't have
> some guy rush out to wash my windshield or check the oil or put the
> air in my tires. To me that's what "full service" means. I haven't
> seen that scenario in years. And I've been pumping my own gasoline
> since the 1970's

They'll check your oil for you, maybe even clean your windows
if you ask. Not automatically.

>>> Granted, every state
>>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>>> accepting rolled coins.
>>
>> For free. They do accept them, you just pay.
>
> We must have our wires crossed. My bank doesn't charge if I bring in
> rolled coins. And I don't use their machine to count them. I just
> count them, wrap them, take them in... no charge.

You said you never heard of a bank not accepting rolled coins.
I'm saying banks around here will accept them, but a lot of
them charge for it.

Also, when I say around here, I don't just mean in my state.
It's not a state thing like the gas pumping thing.

nancy

>>>> Granted, every state
>>>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>>>> accepting rolled coins.
>>>
>>> For free. They do accept them, you just pay.
>>
>> We must have our wires crossed. My bank doesn't charge if I bring in
>> rolled coins. And I don't use their machine to count them. I just
>> count them, wrap them, take them in... no charge.
>
> You said you never heard of a bank not accepting rolled coins.
> I'm saying banks around here will accept them, but a lot of them charge
> for it.
> Also, when I say around here, I don't just mean in my state.
> It's not a state thing like the gas pumping thing.
> nancy


I've never had a bank charge to accept rolled coins. They will charge to
run them through a change counter which then drops them into chutes which
sort of rolls them for you. I just roll my own. (laughing) No charge.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

>>>>> Granted, every state
>>>>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>>>>> accepting rolled coins.
>>>>
>>>> For free. They do accept them, you just pay.
>>>
>>> We must have our wires crossed. My bank doesn't charge if I bring
>>> in rolled coins. And I don't use their machine to count them. I
>>> just count them, wrap them, take them in... no charge.
>>
>> You said you never heard of a bank not accepting rolled coins.
>> I'm saying banks around here will accept them, but a lot of them
>> charge for it.

> I've never had a bank charge to accept rolled coins. They will
> charge to run them through a change counter which then drops them
> into chutes which sort of rolls them for you. I just roll my own.
> (laughing) No charge.

I know, that's how it used to be here. These days banks charge
a fee for everything around here. Annoys me how much they
charge for my ATM card. If I use the teller too many times, they
charge for that. That's the banking climate around here.

However, I'm okay with the bank I use, I avoid their fees as much
as possible and I am not interested in changing banks to some
less convenient location. This change thing, it's not a problem,
I mostly charge everything I buy. There are banks/credit unions
that aren't so crazy with the fees.

nancy

jmcquown wrote:

> I've never had a bank charge to accept rolled coins. They will charge
> to run them through a change counter which then drops them into chutes
> which sort of rolls them for you. I just roll my own. (laughing) No
> charge.
>
> Jill

We just turned in a bag of coins at our Credit Union today. We tossed
them in the machine and it spit out a receipt to take to the teller for
payment. No charge to Credit Union members, but a 10% charge to
Non-members.

On 2009-02-18, Tracy > wrote:
>
> I have one of those water cooler bottles - 5 gallons? - filled maybe a
> fifth of the way with mostly silver. There has got to be a couple-few
> hundred dollars in there.

At least. I had a tool box, basic 18x10x10" home mechanic size, only a
third full. $500+!!

> I really should wrap it up and put it in the bank. None of the banks
> around me have free coin counting and I will not put it in one of those
> coinstar machines.

Chain banks in urban areas don't do this. The small town bank where I now
live has a coin machine and charges zip. Whatta great customer service.
Coinstar is now almost up to 10%. Screw that! Before I moved, I started
rolling my own. I could roll up about $100 in a couple hrs while watching
the tube. That's $5 hr saved. Easy money.

nb

> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>
>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>>>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>>>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>>>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>>
>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
>> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every state
>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>> accepting rolled coins.
>> Jill

I've rolled my saved change all my life, I deposit rolled coins often...
I've never experienced a bank not accepting rolled coins... they may require
you have an account at that bank but I've yet to have my rolled coins
refused even if I've never been to that bank before... they'd be pretty
stupid not to accept rolled coins... by law banks and all businesses in the
US must accept loose coins... an experineced teller can hand count a roll of
quarters in under 15 seconds. All banks today have high speed coin
counters/wrappers... if you walk in with like $100 in rolled pennies and you
don't have your account number written on each roll they can require you to
unroll all your coins into a cloth sack and then they will put them through
the counting/wrapping machine. Banks can also require you give them 24
hours notice for large coin transactions, so if you show up with a ton of
coins you may be given an appointment to return the next day. Banks can
require you give prior notice for large cash withdrawals too.

On 2009-02-18, Kathleen > wrote:
> Good for you. IIRC, Coinstar charges 7.5% for totaling up your coinage.

CS in the SFBA is up to about 9.2%.

nb

On 2009-02-18, Nancy Young > wrote:

> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.

You need to find a new bank.

nb

On 2009-02-18, jmcquown > wrote:

> Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump your own
> gasoline there. I find that peculiar.

Used to be the law in OR, also.

nb

jmcquown said...

> "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9BB6A026319CACotD@
216.196.97.131...
>> Andy said...
>>
>>> About the only thing wrong with the iphone in general is it's almost
>>> entirely hand/touch driven.
>>
>> And when not in a car dash mount it often requires two hand operation.
>>
>>
>> I did look at the blackberry storm. They totally ripped off the iPhone.
>>
>
> Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
> introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
> multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and with
> much fanfare). It's just a gadget.
>
> Jill


Jill,

The Blackberry "storm" (the iPhone copy) I referred to was released in
November 2008, well after the iphone!

I DON'T know who started development first.I'd guess Apple.

The other blackberrys had too small a screen and too many buttons, imho.

Best,

Andy
..

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephanie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>>
>>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>>>>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>>>>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>>>>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>>>
>>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
>>> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every state
>>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>>> accepting rolled coins.
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> OR?
>>
>
> Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump your
> own gasoline there. I find that peculiar.
>
> Jill
It's a safety issue, there are insurance issues involved. I think there are
other states that don't allow pumping ones own. I remember when pumping
ones own first began, I though that was peculiar, because then you needed to
check your own fluid levels, tire pressure, clean windows, etc., service
disappeared but also cut into sales of fluids, tires, shocks, etc. There
are many trade offs.

Stephanie wrote on Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:28:47 -0500:

>I take our bucket to the bank and dump it in the free machine there

I thought I'd already warned you.

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all his cash in a bucket.
His daughter called Nan
Ran off with a man.
And, as for the bucket:
Nantucket.


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

brooklyn1 said...

>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>>
>>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have the
>>>>> account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to proof
>>>>> out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted accordingly.
>>>>> That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>>>
>>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your own
>>> gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every state
>>> (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank not
>>> accepting rolled coins.
>>> Jill
>
> I've rolled my saved change all my life, I deposit rolled coins often...
> I've never experienced a bank not accepting rolled coins... they may
> require you have an account at that bank but I've yet to have my rolled
> coins refused even if I've never been to that bank before... they'd be
> pretty stupid not to accept rolled coins... by law banks and all
> businesses in the US must accept loose coins... an experineced teller
> can hand count a roll of quarters in under 15 seconds. All banks today
> have high speed coin counters/wrappers... if you walk in with like $100
> in rolled pennies and you don't have your account number written on each
> roll they can require you to unroll all your coins into a cloth sack and
> then they will put them through the counting/wrapping machine. Banks
> can also require you give them 24 hours notice for large coin
> transactions, so if you show up with a ton of coins you may be given an
> appointment to return the next day. Banks can require you give prior
> notice for large cash withdrawals too.


I called around and found banks in town that count coins for free. No
wrapping coins.

The idea of paying coinstar, what is it, 7%? What investments these days
earn that kind of return on investment??? They're a rip-off.

I only store a 16 ounce plastic cup of coins at a time. A friend had the 5-
gallon water bottles filled with coins. You couldn't pick the thing up!

Andy

On Feb 18, 2:09 pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> notbob > wrote:
> > On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>
> > > Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
> > > far as convenience goes.
>
> > Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
> > versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.
>
> Didn't we just have this interchange?
>
> My daughter wanted an Iphone. As I remember, they were US$600 plus
> US$100 a month. She didn't want one *that* bad.
>
> The second generation Iphone came out in the last few months:
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ones/apple.jsp
>
> 8GB new US$199 (2yr contract), US$99 refurb
>
> 16GB new US$299, US$199 refurb
>
> We used to have Cingular, but now AT&T bought them out, so we already
> had the service:
>
> http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ckages-details.
> jsp?q_sku=sku3270242&q_package=sku3130222&_request id=383238
>
> We have a family plan, so it costs US$10 a month for the basic service
> for her phone.
>
> The US$30 for data is not optional with the Iphone, and covers unlimited
> data within the US.
>
> Text messaging is separate. I don't remember what my daughter has, but
> the price ranges (see above) from US$.20 per message, to US$20 per month
> for unlimited. For US$5, you get 200 messages per month.
>
> I didn't see any other charges. I tried to look up GPS, but it didn't
> like my browser. GPS was listed as a feature, and there was nothing
> about a charge for it. You do need some kind of data plan, but since
> that isn't optional, it doesn't add to the cost, over and above the
> US$30.
>
> I don't want one, but if I did, I would be looking at US$99 for the
> phone plus US$30 a month, in addition to the US$10 I now pay per month.
>
> --
> Dan Abel
> Petaluma, California USA
>

This has been a wierd pairing of threads - fancy phones and counting
spare change. And yet, you can't eat either one.

My 2 cents - I've got a simple, pre-paid cell and don't like using
it. It came with a camera, but I can't send pics or get them to the
computer, so, what's the point? Maybe if I am in an accident, or see
a UFO.

Change - I try to pay with exact change when I can. A few coins in
pocket is a defensive move - if I can give the clerk a nickle and a
penny she won't have to give me 94 cents in change.

Bulka

Gloria P wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>> Do you also carry...
>>>
>>> *A cell phone
>> |
>> |
>> (absurd list of usless crap) |
>> |
>>> *Much more
>>
>> No, and why would I want to. Keys and my wallet pretty much do it for
>> me.
>> I don't even have a watch, yet I still manage to survive. Amazing, but
>> true.
>>
>> nb
>
>
> Why does anyone NEED all those things? What did they do 20 years ago
> when cellphones were the size of bricks and were more of a burden than
> a "necessity"?
>
> gloria p

You could ask why do we need home computers and why did we do before
them. We don't keep phone directories in the house or subscribe to
newspapers and have minimal catalogs and reference material on hand
because all of that is superseded by the computer. "Smarthphones" are
essentially pocket computers allowing you to have that functionality
clipped on your belt.

bulka said...

> Change - I try to pay with exact change when I can. A few coins in
> pocket is a defensive move - if I can give the clerk a nickle and a
> penny she won't have to give me 94 cents in change.


In most PA stores they offer a "take a penny, leave a penny" system. They
leave out a small tray with pennies you can freely draw from with the honor
system of you dropping a few back in the tray when you can, to pay back the
debt. One of the nicest things I've ever seen. I've never taken more than a
nickel, and I always pay them back.

I also wondered about the 180° thread drift. I guess the cost of cellphones
and wireless expenses.

Andy

Ophelia wrote:

> Gregory Morrow wrote:
> > I HATE phones in any case, I find them extremely annoying, and I'm not
> > looking to be even *more* annoyed than I already am...
>
> Heaven forfend...


Ain't it the truth, Ms. O....

;-)


--
Best
Greg

Gregory Morrow said...

>
> Andy wrote:
>
>
>> Jill,
>>
>> All I can say to that is, you're certainlly not alone!
>
>
> Are you *sure* about that, Andy...???


Greg,

Heh heh heh heh heh!

The Magic 8-Ball said: Don't bet against it!

Best,

Andy

Andy wrote:


> Jill,
>
> All I can say to that is, you're certainlly not alone!


Are you *sure* about that, Andy...???


--
Best
Greg

Andy wrote:
>
>
> I called around and found banks in town that count coins for free. No
> wrapping coins.
>
> The idea of paying coinstar, what is it, 7%? What investments these days
> earn that kind of return on investment??? They're a rip-off.
>
> I only store a 16 ounce plastic cup of coins at a time. A friend had the 5-
> gallon water bottles filled with coins. You couldn't pick the thing up!
>
> Andy

I called around a couple of months ago and NONE of the major banks
offered coin counting. This is the Boston area.

As far as I know, my bank will take my wrapped coins without a fee.

I have a now way nearly full 5 gallon water jug and let me tell you, I
am switching to a smaller container after I finish wrapping up what I have.

-Tracy

Tracy wrote:
>
> Tracy
> (who is going to the bank today to get some coin wrappers - a lot of
> coin wrappers)


The banks near us ot only don't have wrappers, they won't accept wrapped
coins from customers.

gloria p

Nancy Young wrote:

> James Silverton wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote on Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:48:19 -0500:
>
>>> LOL! Too true. I do wear a watch
>>
>> A surprising number of people, including some relatives of mine, don't
>> wear watches but they all carry cell phones that will display the
>> time.
>
> A few years back I asked some guy what time it was (being
> a non-watch wearer). Imagine my bemused surprise when he whipped out
> his phone. I'm so behind the times.

When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

Becca

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:09:41 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>Didn't we just have this interchange?
>
>My daughter wanted an Iphone. As I remember, they were US$600 plus
>US$100 a month. She didn't want one *that* bad.
>
>The second generation Iphone came out in the last few months:
>
>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ones/apple.jsp
>
>8GB new US$199 (2yr contract), US$99 refurb
>
>16GB new US$299, US$199 refurb
>
>We used to have Cingular, but now AT&T bought them out, so we already
>had the service:
>
>http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-pho...ckages-details.
>jsp?q_sku=sku3270242&q_package=sku3130222&_reques tid=383238
>
>We have a family plan, so it costs US$10 a month for the basic service
>for her phone.
>
>The US$30 for data is not optional with the Iphone, and covers unlimited
>data within the US.
>
>Text messaging is separate. I don't remember what my daughter has, but
>the price ranges (see above) from US$.20 per message, to US$20 per month
>for unlimited. For US$5, you get 200 messages per month.
>
>I didn't see any other charges. I tried to look up GPS, but it didn't
>like my browser. GPS was listed as a feature, and there was nothing
>about a charge for it. You do need some kind of data plan, but since
>that isn't optional, it doesn't add to the cost, over and above the
>US$30.
>
>I don't want one, but if I did, I would be looking at US$99 for the
>phone plus US$30 a month, in addition to the US$10 I now pay per month.

I second your description of the cost. That's what we pay, except I
have another phone (not iPhone) so our base is higher before the data
charges.

I got D one for Christmas, and she loves it. She has scores of free
apps on it by now and is still adding on. When we're in the car, she
can jack it into our audio system and run a Pandora station for us. Or
select from any one of scores of NPR stations (Incidentally, she likes
the one from Point Reyes up near your stomping grounds, but that's
probably just because she loves the scenery and imagines it as she
listens).

Over the holidays, my daughter did something similar for me with her
docking station one night while I cooked dinner. About 15 minutes
into the Pandora Richard Thompson station, I figured out that I don't
need a radio anymore.

What we have here is a disruptive technology approaching maturity.
--

modom

Gloria P wrote:
> Tracy wrote:
>>
>> Tracy
>> (who is going to the bank today to get some coin wrappers - a lot of
>> coin wrappers)

> The banks near us ot only don't have wrappers, they won't accept
> wrapped coins from customers.

That doesn't really surprise me. Accepting coin was a lot
of trouble, but it would be nice if banks would do it as a
service to their customers. Service, what a nice old
fashioned word. Heh.

nancy

Tracy said...

> Andy wrote:
>>
>>
>> I called around and found banks in town that count coins for free. No
>> wrapping coins.
>>
>> The idea of paying coinstar, what is it, 7%? What investments these
>> days earn that kind of return on investment??? They're a rip-off.
>>
>> I only store a 16 ounce plastic cup of coins at a time. A friend had
>> the 5- gallon water bottles filled with coins. You couldn't pick the
>> thing up!
>>
>> Andy
>
> I called around a couple of months ago and NONE of the major banks
> offered coin counting. This is the Boston area.
>
> As far as I know, my bank will take my wrapped coins without a fee.
>
> I have a now way nearly full 5 gallon water jug and let me tell you, I
> am switching to a smaller container after I finish wrapping up what I
> have.
>
> -Tracy


Tracy,

Banks should really offer free coin counting. I wonder how many valuable
coins are turned into banks, who if they took the time could turn up some
highly collectibles they could sell at coin shows. I don't know if banks
are renowned coin collectors but I have to wonder.

A year or so ago at an almost all cash convenience store, I was given a
Mercury head dime in change. Very poor condition and not very collective. I
added it to the collection. Somebody was probably using a stolen coin
collection to buy Mountain Dews.

When the new dollar coins came out I would run to all the banks and buy $25
rolls of them and inspect them for $10,000 faults, turning them back in if
they unblemished. Didn't take them but a couple weeks to catch on to my
system. Never did see a flawed coin. (( It WAS fun while it lasted.

Best,

Andy

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
>> far as convenience goes.
>
>Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
>versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.

I bought an iPhone last month. My old Blackberry was wigging out on me
and my tech guy bedazzled me with his iPhone and its apps. Don't need
all those whistles and bells, but it's fun and handy. <shrug>

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:26:59 -0500, "jmcquown" >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
>introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
>multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and with
>much fanfare). It's just a gadget.

I beg to differ, girl - I replaced my Blackberry Curve with an iPhone
last month. Except for the lack of keyboard touch, it kicks the
Blackberry to the curb. And, yeah, it may be a gadget, but it is a
very cool gadget and I've had a lot of fun with it.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

In article >,
George > wrote:

> Gloria P wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >> On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do you also carry...
> >>>
> >>> *A cell phone
> >> |
> >> |
> >> (absurd list of usless crap) |
> >> |
> >>> *Much more
> >>
> >> No, and why would I want to. Keys and my wallet pretty much do it for
> >> me.
> >> I don't even have a watch, yet I still manage to survive. Amazing, but
> >> true.

> > Why does anyone NEED all those things? What did they do 20 years ago
> > when cellphones were the size of bricks and were more of a burden than
> > a "necessity"?

> You could ask why do we need home computers and why did we do before
> them.

Ken Olsen is famously quoted as having said in 1977: "There is no reason
for any individual to have a computer in his home."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital...nt_Corporation

Ken was the founder and CEO of DEC, one of the most famous computer
companies in the US. I think he was wrong. Maybe that's why his
company disappeared in 1998.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Terry Pulliam Burd said...

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing
>>> as far as convenience goes.
>>
>>Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
>>versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.
>
> I bought an iPhone last month. My old Blackberry was wigging out on me
> and my tech guy bedazzled me with his iPhone and its apps. Don't need
> all those whistles and bells, but it's fun and handy. <shrug>
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd


Terry,

Yay. I don't felt so alone.

The Blackberry "Storm," the "iPhone killer" they rolled out last November
has met with some disappoint among some of the 50,000 "quick to adopt"
purchasers, said the Wall Street Journal. And the company wouldn't disclose
the returned units when asked. Apple, they noted in the article, has 25% of
the smartphone market share. That's an accomplishment, pending reliable
data they did not produce.

I did wait, unconvinced myself unto the 3G iPhone came out. Jailbroke it
(removed all Apple blockades) days after purchase and threw the kitchen
sink into it. Very rewarding! Heck with the warranty. I can refresh it to
factory firmware whenever I want.

Best,

Andy

On 2009-02-19, Dan Abel > wrote:

> companies in the US. I think he was wrong. Maybe that's why his
> company disappeared in 1998.

Duh!



nb