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Stephanie wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Tracy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Tracy
>>>> (who is going to the bank today to get some coin wrappers - a lot of
>>>> coin wrappers)
>>> Yep, that's all you need to do. Sit and count and wrap coins while
>>> you're watching television or listening to music. There's no reason
>>> to pay for some machine to count coins for you

>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>
>> nancy

>
> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public and
> private." At least in the us.


There's case precedent for the fact that just because something is legal
tender, that doesn't mean everyone has to take it in whatever
denomination you hand it to them in. For example, buses don't have to
take $20 bills, stores don't have to take hundreds, and I bet banks
don't have to take a thousand dollars in pennies if they don't want to.
(My bank doesn't have a problem with it, I don't think.)

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Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote in
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> I bought an iPhone last month. My old Blackberry was wigging out on me
> and my tech guy bedazzled me with his iPhone and its apps. Don't need
> all those whistles and bells, but it's fun and handy. <shrug>
>




It's bright, it's shiny, it's new, I want it!! :-)


If I'm using a mobile (cell), I'm usually on the run and don't have time to
stop and fart-arse around with 2,001 different features.

Phone calls and emergency picture capabilities is all I want in my phone.

Unless of course they produce one that will make me a coffee whenever I want
it!!


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Becca wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> James Silverton wrote:


>>> A surprising number of people, including some relatives of mine,
>>> don't wear watches but they all carry cell phones that will display
>>> the time.

>>
>> A few years back I asked some guy what time it was (being
>> a non-watch wearer). Imagine my bemused surprise when he whipped out
>> his phone. I'm so behind the times.

>
> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.


Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
with open flames!

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>>
>> *A cell phone

> |
> |
> (absurd list of usless crap)
> |
> |
>> *Much more

>
> No, and why would I want to. Keys and my wallet pretty much do it for

me.
> I don't even have a watch,



LOL!! Neither do I. Haven't worn one for about 6 years (IIRC).

What's going to happen when/if we meet up and have a few drinks??



What's the time?

FIIK!! The lights aren't on, it must be daytime.

Well it's not sleepy-bye time, so, time for another drink then!!

:-)

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> I'm no expert on those things but is there a Dick Tracy style wrist
> phone?
>



There is. I saw it modelled on TV about 4 weeks ago.

Not this one though.........

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5659611.html


The one on TV had a price tag of about $400K (IIRC)



Here's some othery's........

http://idleparis.co.uk/lg-gd910-wris...-coming-to-uk/

http://www.kabyware.com/2009/02/14/w...ive-slideshow/


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Nancy Young said...

> Becca wrote:


>> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

>
> Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
> with open flames!
>
> nancy



HA!!!

Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic to the
entire concert audience.

I guess this is humor.

I've never seen it done.

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> notbob


>> I don't even have a watch,

>
>
> LOL!! Neither do I. Haven't worn one for about 6 years (IIRC).
>
> What's going to happen when/if we meet up and have a few drinks??
>
>
>
> What's the time?
>
> FIIK!! The lights aren't on, it must be daytime.
>
> Well it's not sleepy-bye time, so, time for another drink then!!



I wear a watch, and then some.

http://tinyurl.com/cv7djq

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Andy wrote:
> Nancy Young said...
>
>> Becca wrote:

>
>>> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>>> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

>>
>> Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
>> with open flames!


> HA!!!
>
> Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic
> to the entire concert audience.
>
> I guess this is humor.
>
> I've never seen it done.


Google 'waving cell phones at concerts'.

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>>
>> Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic
>> to the entire concert audience.
>>
>> I guess this is humor.
>>
>> I've never seen it done.

>
> Google 'waving cell phones at concerts'.
>
> nancy
>



ROFL!!!!

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/08/ro...for_concer.php


A picture of a candle to put in your cell for concerts!!

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 22:36:09 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>Becca wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>> James Silverton wrote:

>
>>>> A surprising number of people, including some relatives of mine,
>>>> don't wear watches but they all carry cell phones that will display
>>>> the time.
>>>
>>> A few years back I asked some guy what time it was (being
>>> a non-watch wearer). Imagine my bemused surprise when he whipped out
>>> his phone. I'm so behind the times.

>>
>> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

>
>Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
>with open flames!


These days it's mainly just drunks. Can't smoke at concerts here
anymore.

Lou


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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:04:05 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>A surprising number of people, including some relatives of mine, don't
>wear watches but they all carry cell phones that will display the time.


I have a watch and I use it, but my husband has never liked wearing
watches. He ditched his watch after he his first "modern" cellphone
and has never looked back. He's one of those people who can
accurately estimate real time within a couple of minutes anyway, so
it's no big deal.


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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:58:59 -0600, Becca > wrote:

>When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.


Cell phones? Are you serious? LOL


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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500, Tracy > wrote:

>I think Coinstar is free if you put your cash on an amazon card or maybe
>Bestbuy. I am not interested in limiting myself like that as much as I
>buy from both....


I've never heard of those coin counting things or the ability to put
the $$ on a store gift card.

Ain't rfc informational?


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In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Nancy Young said...
>
> > Becca wrote:

>
> >> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
> >> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

> >
> > Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
> > with open flames!


> Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic to the
> entire concert audience.
>
> I guess this is humor.
>
> I've never seen it done.


Never happened to me as a teen. Either one. Do you think it had to do
with them all being classical music concerts?

:-)

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500, Tracy > wrote:
>
> >I think Coinstar is free if you put your cash on an amazon card or maybe
> >Bestbuy. I am not interested in limiting myself like that as much as I
> >buy from both....

>
> I've never heard of those coin counting things or the ability to put
> the $$ on a store gift card.
>
> Ain't rfc informational?


That's because Mr. sf does all the grocery shopping. Ask him about it
sometime.

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:40 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:26:59 -0500, "jmcquown" >
>fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
>>introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
>>multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and with
>>much fanfare). It's just a gadget.

>
>I beg to differ, girl - I replaced my Blackberry Curve with an iPhone
>last month. Except for the lack of keyboard touch, it kicks the
>Blackberry to the curb. And, yeah, it may be a gadget, but it is a
>very cool gadget and I've had a lot of fun with it.
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd


I got rid of my Blackberry Pearl for an iPhone a few mos. ago. I love
my iPhone. Have you downloaded sushi monger yet? and Around Me. I'm
having so much fun with all the cool apps. I have 4 pages loaded with
stuff now. Oh, yeah and the grocery shopping apps are cool

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koko > wrote in news:gqrpp411valplr160frd1n8tsbhmft47u0@
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> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:40 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:26:59 -0500, "jmcquown" >
>>fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>>Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
>>>introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
>>>multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and

with
>>>much fanfare). It's just a gadget.

>>
>>I beg to differ, girl - I replaced my Blackberry Curve with an iPhone
>>last month. Except for the lack of keyboard touch, it kicks the
>>Blackberry to the curb. And, yeah, it may be a gadget, but it is a
>>very cool gadget and I've had a lot of fun with it.
>>
>>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

>
> I got rid of my Blackberry Pearl for an iPhone a few mos. ago. I love
> my iPhone. Have you downloaded sushi monger yet? and Around Me. I'm
> having so much fun with all the cool apps. I have 4 pages loaded with
> stuff now. Oh, yeah and the grocery shopping apps are cool
>




And they rekon it's "boys with their toys"!!!




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Dan Abel said...

> In article >, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Nancy Young said...
>>
>> > Becca wrote:

>>
>> >> When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>> >> lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.
>> >
>> > Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
>> > with open flames!

>
>> Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic to
>> the entire concert audience.
>>
>> I guess this is humor.
>>
>> I've never seen it done.

>
> Never happened to me as a teen. Either one. Do you think it had to do
> with them all being classical music concerts?
>
>:-)



Dan,

First rock concert... the band "Chicago" I was maybe 10, 11?, 12? I forget

I remember walking to the men's bathroom with police standing calmly
outside the door. I walked n suspiciously and the room was filled with an
army of hippies in a thick cloud of stinky pot smoke. I never had tried it.
And I thought it inappropriate to unzip my flip to **** so I left.

I got back to my seat wishing I had gotten to try some, wondering what it
must feel like.

Years later I found out.

Best,

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koko said...

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:40 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:26:59 -0500, "jmcquown" >
>>fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>>Sorry, dude, but the Blackberry was around years before the iPhone was
>>>introduced. People I worked with were carrying a Blackberry with a
>>>multitude of applications in 2003... the iPhone came much later (and

with
>>>much fanfare). It's just a gadget.

>>
>>I beg to differ, girl - I replaced my Blackberry Curve with an iPhone
>>last month. Except for the lack of keyboard touch, it kicks the
>>Blackberry to the curb. And, yeah, it may be a gadget, but it is a
>>very cool gadget and I've had a lot of fun with it.
>>
>>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

>
> I got rid of my Blackberry Pearl for an iPhone a few mos. ago. I love
> my iPhone. Have you downloaded sushi monger yet? and Around Me. I'm
> having so much fun with all the cool apps. I have 4 pages loaded with
> stuff now. Oh, yeah and the grocery shopping apps are cool
>
> koko



koko,

Around Me, Yelp, IWant, Where and their ilk are great!

I swear by the freebie Shop Shop shopping lists app. Plain, clean and
simple.

Best,

Andy
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On 2009-02-19, Andy > wrote:

> I remember walking to the men's bathroom with police standing calmly
> outside the door. I walked n suspiciously and the room was filled with an
> army of hippies in a thick cloud of stinky pot smoke. I never had tried it.


You shoulda hung around a little longer.

> And I thought it inappropriate to unzip my flip to **** so I left.


OK

> I got back to my seat wishing I had gotten to try some, wondering what it
> must feel like.


....err.... what?

> Years later I found out.


Nevermind

nb


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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:25:22 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:48:44 -0500, Tracy > wrote:
>>
>> >I think Coinstar is free if you put your cash on an amazon card or maybe
>> >Bestbuy. I am not interested in limiting myself like that as much as I
>> >buy from both....

>>
>> I've never heard of those coin counting things or the ability to put
>> the $$ on a store gift card.
>>
>> Ain't rfc informational?

>
>That's because Mr. sf does all the grocery shopping. Ask him about it
>sometime.


He says, they exist. He doesn't know where they are either and says I
should look it up on the internet if I really want to know. I don't
care that much.

What absolutely floors me is how people can go on and on about
finances, but have so much spare change that they need a coin counter
to count it for them. This is not an rfc exclusive. Look at the
state of the country! People are bleeding money, yet they need a
machine to count their spare change???? It doesn't add up.


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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:25:22 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:


> >That's because Mr. sf does all the grocery shopping. Ask him about it
> >sometime.


> What absolutely floors me is how people can go on and on about
> finances, but have so much spare change that they need a coin counter
> to count it for them. This is not an rfc exclusive. Look at the
> state of the country! People are bleeding money, yet they need a
> machine to count their spare change???? It doesn't add up.


You and I have both been around the block. When I was a kid, I could go
to the corner store with one single penny and spend a couple of minutes
deciding what kind of penny candy to buy. As I got a little older, I
noticed that all the cheap restaurants served unlimited coffee for one
dime. Since those days, there has been a lot of inflation. Money just
isn't worth much anymore. I'll walk down the sidewalk and see a shiny
penny. I'll watch half a dozen kids walk right by it. It's not worth
their time to bend over and pick it up. What can you buy for a penny?
What can you buy for a quarter? Not much.

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On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 04:04:15 +0000, PeterL wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:VP4nl.10551$Dz4.6796
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>
> ROFL!!!!
>
> http://www.geekologie.com/2007/08/ro...for_concer.php



A picture of a candle to put in your cell for concerts!!
http://tinyurl.com/umbrellacandle

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>
>> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
>> far as convenience goes.

>
>Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
>versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.
>

Oh, come one nb. Some company must be offering it free or almost free
these days. The iPhone has been around too long. Google even has put
out a look alike phone now. TMobile offers the Google Phone (G1) for
significantly under $200.


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On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:45:51 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>It's not worth
>their time to bend over and pick it up. What can you buy for a penny?
>What can you buy for a quarter? Not much.


So why spend money to have some machine count your change for you?


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Andy wrote:

> Nancy Young said...
>
>
>>Becca wrote:

>
>
>>>When I went to concerts as a teenager, the audience used cigarette
>>>lighters to wave in the air. Now, the audience uses cell phones.

>>
>>Ha hah, that's funny. And safer than all those stoned people
>>with open flames!
>>
>>nancy

>
>
>
> HA!!!
>
> Facing the cellphone screens at the band would hardly be as dramatic to the
> entire concert audience.
>
> I guess this is humor.
>
> I've never seen it done.



My husband and I and our two kids downloaded pix of flames to our
cellphones for use at a recent Australian Pink Floyd concert.

What a treat that was. It was performed in the Fox Theater... No
smoking allowed. Both kids have been to the Fox in the past but it was
years ago. My daughter remembered but my son didn't and his awe at his
surroundings and his attempts to take and send cellphone pictures so his
friends share the experience made me smile.

And the flaming cellphones held aloft in tribute to the band provided
mute testimony to the fact that things can change and stay the same all
at once.

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In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>
> > Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
> > far as convenience goes.

>
> Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
> versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.


The typical AT&T cell phone plan for an iPhone is around $60/month, but
that includes Internet access. The iPhone 3G, itself is $199 for an 8GB
model and $299 for a 16GB model. Applications usually run between 99
cents to a couple of dollars.

I haven't used a printed phone book in years. I don't have an iPhone
because I prefer Verizon. When the agreement between Apple & AT&T ends,
and Verizon can offer iPhones, I will get one. Those who prefer to use
Verizon's cell phone network can get similar apps, such as Vindigo that
do what Andy described. I don't do that either because I cannot justify
the extra $35 per month that Verizon charges for cell phone Internet
access.

The problem with a printed phone book is that its not portable and it is
only updated once a year. When I want to look up information about local
businesses, I simply google for the business and I find everything I
need to know, and a whole lot more. I guess my neighbors in the 200 unit
apartment building where I live do the same because every year when the
local phone company brings in crates of phone books to the loading dock
for people to take, those books just sit there for weeks until the
maintenance people drop them in the recycling bin.
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Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>
>>On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 21:25:22 -0800, Dan Abel > wrote:

>
>
>>>That's because Mr. sf does all the grocery shopping. Ask him about it
>>>sometime.

>
>
>>What absolutely floors me is how people can go on and on about
>>finances, but have so much spare change that they need a coin counter
>>to count it for them. This is not an rfc exclusive. Look at the
>>state of the country! People are bleeding money, yet they need a
>>machine to count their spare change???? It doesn't add up.

>
>
> You and I have both been around the block. When I was a kid, I could go
> to the corner store with one single penny and spend a couple of minutes
> deciding what kind of penny candy to buy. As I got a little older, I
> noticed that all the cheap restaurants served unlimited coffee for one
> dime. Since those days, there has been a lot of inflation. Money just
> isn't worth much anymore. I'll walk down the sidewalk and see a shiny
> penny. I'll watch half a dozen kids walk right by it. It's not worth
> their time to bend over and pick it up. What can you buy for a penny?
> What can you buy for a quarter? Not much.
>


I'll always stop to pick up change and add it to the handful in my
pocket. A few quarters will buy lunch for a student who might otherwise
be eating the free PB&J sandwich our district offers to those kids
without cash. It'll also buy protein snacks out of the vending machines
for kids at our alternative high school who haven't eaten since lunch
yesterday and can't think straight during the morning hours.

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sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
> >On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
> >
> >> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
> >> far as convenience goes.

> >
> >Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
> >versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.
> >

> Oh, come one nb. Some company must be offering it free or almost free
> these days. The iPhone has been around too long. Google even has put
> out a look alike phone now. TMobile offers the Google Phone (G1) for
> significantly under $200.


TMobile's Google phone is only $20 cheaper then AT&T's iPhone 3G. The
Google phone is nowhere near as good as the iPhone in terms of usability
and design, plus in most areas, the quality of AT&T's cell phone network
is superior to TMobile's, but Verizon beats both networks in quality,
which is why I have Verizon. Two weeks ago, I went on a road trip to
Boston with a few friends. Two of them had an iPhone 3G and one had a
Google phone. We compared. The iPhone 3G was obviously easier to use,
more robust in its software offerings, and more reliable in its cell
phone coverage.

I live on the top floor of a 14 floor building where my landlord rents
out roof space to house cellular antenna for all the cell phone
networks. Even with a cellular antenna just a few feet above me,
TMobile's reception was beyond terrible. I have a lot of friends with
AT&T and an iPhone 3G and none of them feel their cell phone coverage is
as good as Verizon's. For me, its all about the network. I would love to
own an iPhone 3G, but not at the expense of doing without Verizon. I
travel a lot and no matter where I go, my Verizon coverage is always
strong and it also works in my office, which none of the other carriers
do.
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In article >, Andy > wrote:

> Terry Pulliam Burd said...
>
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > fired up
> > random neurons and synapses to opine:
> >
> >>On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing
> >>> as far as convenience goes.
> >>
> >>Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
> >>versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.

> >
> > I bought an iPhone last month. My old Blackberry was wigging out on me
> > and my tech guy bedazzled me with his iPhone and its apps. Don't need
> > all those whistles and bells, but it's fun and handy. <shrug>
> >
> > Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

>
>
> Terry,
>
> Yay. I don't felt so alone.
>
> The Blackberry "Storm," the "iPhone killer" they rolled out last November
> has met with some disappoint among some of the 50,000 "quick to adopt"
> purchasers, said the Wall Street Journal. And the company wouldn't disclose
> the returned units when asked. Apple, they noted in the article, has 25% of
> the smartphone market share. That's an accomplishment, pending reliable
> data they did not produce.


Yup. Two or three of my colleagues ran out and bought a Blackberry
Storm. After a few weeks, they returned it. A friend of mine bought one
too. I tried it for about 20 minutes to play with the apps on it. The
touch screen keyboard is horrible and the user experience is nowhere
near as easy as with an iPhone 3G. My friend who bought a Storm returned
it and he now has an iPhone 3G, which he raves about. For me though,
like I said in a previous message, I won't get an iPhone 3G until
Verizon is allowed to sell them on its network.


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Stan Horwitz said...

> For me though,
> like I said in a previous message, I won't get an iPhone 3G until
> Verizon is allowed to sell them on its network.



Stan,

iPhones have been unlockable for quite some time to run on Verizon,
TMobile, Vonage, etc. After a few software/firmware hacks, toss in your
Verizon phone's SIM card and you're good to go.

I think you sacrifice visual voice mail since that was an Apple/AT&T
collaboration.

Apple has been selling non AT&T iPhones for the Canadian, European,
African, Australian and some Asian markets (where AT&T ain't!).

Best,

Andy

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Andy wrote:
> Stan Horwitz said...
>
>> For me though,
>> like I said in a previous message, I won't get an iPhone 3G until
>> Verizon is allowed to sell them on its network.

>
>
> Stan,
>
> iPhones have been unlockable for quite some time to run on Verizon,
> TMobile, Vonage, etc. After a few software/firmware hacks, toss in your
> Verizon phone's SIM card and you're good to go.


Verizon uses CDMA and does not use SIM cards. iphones are only made with
GSM capability and cannot be used on a CDMA network (VZW and Sprint in
the US)


>
> I think you sacrifice visual voice mail since that was an Apple/AT&T
> collaboration.
>
> Apple has been selling non AT&T iPhones for the Canadian, European,
> African, Australian and some Asian markets (where AT&T ain't!).
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>

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Dan wrote on Wed, 18 Feb 2009 23:45:51 -0800:

> Since those
> days, there has been a lot of inflation. Money just isn't
> worth much anymore. I'll walk down the sidewalk and see a
> shiny penny. I'll watch half a dozen kids walk right by it.
> It's not worth their time to bend over and pick it up. What
> can you buy for a penny? What can you buy for a quarter? Not
> much.


Since I don't believe in littering, if I drop a penny, I will pick it up
but, if I see a penny or even a nickel on the sidewalk, I'll probably
just leave it there..

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Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

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Stan Horwitz wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:17:21 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-02-18, Andy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quite amazing to have all that information in my pocket! Life changing as
>>>> far as convenience goes.
>>> Wow! And this only costs what?.... $300-400 + $80-100 mo + service fees
>>> versus the same info in a free phone book. Such a deal.
>>>

>> Oh, come one nb. Some company must be offering it free or almost free
>> these days. The iPhone has been around too long. Google even has put
>> out a look alike phone now. TMobile offers the Google Phone (G1) for
>> significantly under $200.

>
> TMobile's Google phone is only $20 cheaper then AT&T's iPhone 3G. The
> Google phone is nowhere near as good as the iPhone in terms of usability
> and design, plus in most areas, the quality of AT&T's cell phone network
> is superior to TMobile's, but Verizon beats both networks in quality,
> which is why I have Verizon. Two weeks ago, I went on a road trip to
> Boston with a few friends. Two of them had an iPhone 3G and one had a
> Google phone. We compared. The iPhone 3G was obviously easier to use,
> more robust in its software offerings, and more reliable in its cell
> phone coverage.



Thats pretty much the same situation I am in. I don't care for Verizon
but they definitely have a solid network. I know a number of people who
ran out and bought iphones and the constant complaint they have is
coverage with AT&T. I know a number of people who work in that industry
and they say that VZW is absolutely anal about network quality and
redundancy.

What a lot of folks also don't know is that carriers such as AT&T,
tmobile and Sprint have minimal battery and no backup generators on
their systems and also the bare minimum of redundancy in communications
circuits. I have seen lots of sites so it just isn't someone telling me
a story. That is an important consideration especially if you no longer
have a landline. In early winter there was a major ice storm near here
that took down the electric lines. My friends who live in that area said
that AT&T and Sprint were gone in an hour and the outage lasted for
three days. VZW stayed up because they have both extensive battery and a
generator at each site.

>
> I live on the top floor of a 14 floor building where my landlord rents
> out roof space to house cellular antenna for all the cell phone
> networks. Even with a cellular antenna just a few feet above me,
> TMobile's reception was beyond terrible. I have a lot of friends with
> AT&T and an iPhone 3G and none of them feel their cell phone coverage is
> as good as Verizon's. For me, its all about the network. I would love to
> own an iPhone 3G, but not at the expense of doing without Verizon. I
> travel a lot and no matter where I go, my Verizon coverage is always
> strong and it also works in my office, which none of the other carriers
> do.

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George said...

>> iPhones have been unlockable for quite some time to run on Verizon,
>> TMobile, Vonage, etc. After a few software/firmware hacks, toss in your
>> Verizon phone's SIM card and you're good to go.

>
> Verizon uses CDMA and does not use SIM cards. iphones are only made with
> GSM capability and cannot be used on a CDMA network (VZW and Sprint in
> the US)



George,

I stand corrected.

Best,

Andy


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jmcquown wrote:
> "Stephanie" > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>>
>>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>>>>> and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa to have
>>>>> the account number of the depositer on the roll. If it failed to
>>>>> proof out when opened, the account was debitted or creditted
>>>>> accordingly. That never really happened. But that was the policy.
>>>>
>>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your
>>> own gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every
>>> state (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank
>>> not accepting rolled coins.
>>> Jill

>>
>>
>> OR?
>>

>
> Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump
> your own gasoline there. I find that peculiar.
>
> Jill



Oh sorry. Orengon (OR) is anothe rplace where you cannot pump your own gas.
Or at least it used to be the casae.


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brooklyn1 wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Stephanie" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Stephanie wrote:
>>>>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts
>>>>>> public and private." At least in the us. Our bank's policy wasa
>>>>>> to have the account number of the depositer on the roll. If it
>>>>>> failed to proof out when opened, the account was debitted or
>>>>>> creditted accordingly. That never really happened. But that was
>>>>>> the policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the way it was back in the olden days when I spent
>>>>> a some time as a bank teller. But banks can and do charge
>>>>> to take coins, legally. Where I live it seems like the norm.
>>>>>
>>>>> nancy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your
>>>> own gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every
>>>> state (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a
>>>> bank not accepting rolled coins.
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> OR?
>>>

>>
>> Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump
>> your own gasoline there. I find that peculiar.
>>
>> Jill

> It's a safety issue, there are insurance issues involved. I think
> there are other states that don't allow pumping ones own. I remember
> when pumping ones own first began, I though that was peculiar,
> because then you needed to check your own fluid levels, tire
> pressure, clean windows, etc., service disappeared but also cut into
> sales of fluids, tires, shocks, etc. There are many trade offs.



SAFETY! We have to be protected from inability to put a hose into a hole and
squeeze?


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Serene Vannoy wrote:
> Stephanie wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>> "Tracy" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>> (who is going to the bank today to get some coin wrappers - a lot
>>>>> of coin wrappers)
>>>> Yep, that's all you need to do. Sit and count and wrap coins while
>>>> you're watching television or listening to music. There's no
>>>> reason to pay for some machine to count coins for you
>>> Not all banks will just take your wrapped coin for free.
>>>
>>> nancy

>>
>> I would think it would still be "legal tender for all debts public
>> and private." At least in the us.

>
> There's case precedent for the fact that just because something is
> legal tender, that doesn't mean everyone has to take it in whatever
> denomination you hand it to them in. For example, buses don't have to
> take $20 bills, stores don't have to take hundreds, and I bet banks
> don't have to take a thousand dollars in pennies if they don't want
> to. (My bank doesn't have a problem with it, I don't think.)
>
> Serene


Yes. I had not thought of that.


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In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:


> I'll always stop to pick up change and add it to the handful in my
> pocket. A few quarters will buy lunch for a student who might otherwise
> be eating the free PB&J sandwich our district offers to those kids
> without cash. It'll also buy protein snacks out of the vending machines
> for kids at our alternative high school who haven't eaten since lunch
> yesterday and can't think straight during the morning hours.


School lunch at the local schools is now US$3.50. That's 14 quarters or
350 pennies. It used to be US$2.50 but that wasn't working. Most kids
in the lunch program are subsidized. The district gets about US$1.00
for each subsidized lunch. So PB&J it was, for US$2.50. They came
frozen, in giant boxes. The kids and their parents weren't willing to
pay US$2.50. So, they've upgraded the food considerably. But they just
can't attract enough students at US$3.50. Everybody knows that kids
need to have food in their stomachs to be able to learn, but the State
of California cuts education funding every year, and the cuts have to
come from somewhere.

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"Stephanie" > wrote in message
>>>> LOL Keep in mind, where you live you aren't allowed to pump your
>>>> own gas, either! That's a strange concept to me. Granted, every
>>>> state (and bank) is bound to be different. I never heard of a bank
>>>> not accepting rolled coins.
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> OR?
>>>

>>
>> Or what? Nancy lives in New Jersey and you aren't allowed to pump
>> your own gasoline there. I find that peculiar.
>>
>> Jill

>
>
> Oh sorry. Orengon (OR) is anothe rplace where you cannot pump your own
> gas. Or at least it used to be the casae.


Some towns in MA do not allow self serve either. Decision is made by the
fire chief if the collective IQ of the residents is high enough to prevent
an explosion. The good part though, the price of gas is the same in the
bordering full serve towns so I don't have to freeze my ass off and can have
it pumped for me.


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