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ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.
Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature
of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
Lugano said he got the idea from archaeological discoveries of ancient
shipwrecks, where amphorae from the cargo are sometimes found intact despite
the thousands of years that have passed. ''I started thinking about ancient
Roman galleons and relics (on the ocean bed) and, especially, those amphorae
that have been found filled with wine, the taste, colour and smell of which
was unchanged,'' he told website Vino 24. On Tuesday the winery began
bottling 5,000 litres of spumante and loading the bottles into steel cages
which will be dropped into the sea in front of the inlet of Cala dell'Oro,
in the Portofino marine reserve. One large 26-litre container will be
auctioned off when the bottles are hauled back to the surface in 2010, with
money raised going towards biological research at the marine reserve and
local volunteer associations. The name of the sea-bed spumante remains under
wraps.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>
> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where
> they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its
> kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will
> spend 18 months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant
> temperature of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of
> light.
> Lugano said he got the idea from archaeological discoveries of ancient
> shipwrecks, where amphorae from the cargo are sometimes found intact
> despite the thousands of years that have passed.
(snippage)

That's the first thing I thought of when I read this, Ed. Amphorae have
been discovered off the coast of Italy and Greece after being buried in
ocean silt for hundreds of years. They often bring quite a lot of money at
auction. A few have even been discovered still containing olive oil or the
remnants of wine. Good idea for an experiment

Jill

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:

> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>
> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to
> drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino
> where they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first
> experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said
> the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres,
> a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost
> total absence of light. Lugano said he got the idea from archaeological
> discoveries of ancient shipwrecks, where amphorae from the cargo are
> sometimes found intact despite the thousands of years that have passed.
> ''I started thinking about ancient Roman galleons and relics (on the
> ocean bed) and, especially, those amphorae that have been found filled
> with wine, the taste, colour and smell of which was unchanged,'' he told
> website Vino 24. On Tuesday the winery began bottling 5,000 litres of
> spumante and loading the bottles into steel cages which will be dropped
> into the sea in front of the inlet of Cala dell'Oro, in the Portofino
> marine reserve.




(Looking around.......) Where's my damn diving gear!!!



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Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
> claimed:

>http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>
>ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
>6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
>will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.
>Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
>months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature
>of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
>Lugano said he got the idea from archaeological discoveries of ancient
>shipwrecks, where amphorae from the cargo are sometimes found intact despite
>the thousands of years that have passed. ''I started thinking about ancient
>Roman galleons and relics (on the ocean bed) and, especially, those amphorae
>that have been found filled with wine, the taste, colour and smell of which
>was unchanged,'' he told website Vino 24. On Tuesday the winery began
>bottling 5,000 litres of spumante and loading the bottles into steel cages
>which will be dropped into the sea in front of the inlet of Cala dell'Oro,
>in the Portofino marine reserve. One large 26-litre container will be
>auctioned off when the bottles are hauled back to the surface in 2010, with
>money raised going towards biological research at the marine reserve and
>local volunteer associations. The name of the sea-bed spumante remains under
>wraps.
>

Time to dust off my old scuba gear!

Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:16:28 +0000 (UTC), PL
> claimed:

>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in
:
>
>> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>>
>> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to
>> drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino
>> where they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first
>> experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said
>> the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres,
>> a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost
>> total absence of light. Lugano said he got the idea from archaeological
>> discoveries of ancient shipwrecks, where amphorae from the cargo are
>> sometimes found intact despite the thousands of years that have passed.
>> ''I started thinking about ancient Roman galleons and relics (on the
>> ocean bed) and, especially, those amphorae that have been found filled
>> with wine, the taste, colour and smell of which was unchanged,'' he told
>> website Vino 24. On Tuesday the winery began bottling 5,000 litres of
>> spumante and loading the bottles into steel cages which will be dropped
>> into the sea in front of the inlet of Cala dell'Oro, in the Portofino
>> marine reserve.
>
>
>
>
>(Looking around.......) Where's my damn diving gear!!!

Ha ha, next time I should read all replies before sending. Great minds
think alike!

Bob Ezrin wrote:
> Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
> > claimed:
>
>> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>>
>> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
>> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
>> will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.
>> Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
>> months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature
>> of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.

>
> Time to dust off my old scuba gear!


To 70 meters? I doubt it.

gloria p

Gloria P wrote:
>
> Bob Ezrin wrote:
> > Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
> > > claimed:
> >
> >> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
> >>
> >> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
> >> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
> >> will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.
> >> Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
> >> months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature
> >> of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
>
> >
> > Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
>
> To 70 meters? I doubt it.
>
> gloria p

Heheh, I'm no diver, but I had to wonder at 70 meters too, and with
regular scuba gear? Somehow, I rather doubt that? But, it will be
interesting to learn what results the experiments provide, that's for
sure.

Sky

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Gloria P > wrote in
:

> Bob Ezrin wrote:
>> Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> > claimed:
>>
>>> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>>>
>>> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to
>>> drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino
>>> where they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first
>>> experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said
>>> the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a depth of 70
>>> metres, a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees centigrade, and with
>>> an almost total absence of light.
>
>>
>> Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
>
>
> To 70 meters? I doubt it.
>
> gloria p
>


70m is not that far!!

We did 70-80m dives in the sinkholes in Mount Gambier region. Admitedly is
was a *loooooooooong* time ago ('73 IIRC) and I was quite young, and a
helluva lot fitter........ and we used Hookah gear.

SCUBA divers can get down a lot further than 70m........ it's just the coming
back up that's a bitch :-)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_th...in_a_scuba_ d
ive


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Sky > wrote in
:

> Gloria P wrote:
>>
>> Bob Ezrin wrote:
>> > Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> > > claimed:
>> >
>> >> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>> >>
>> >> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing
>> >> to drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of
>> >> Portofino where they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's
>> >> first experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson
>> >> winery said the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a
>> >> depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees
>> >> centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
>>
>> >
>> > Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
>>
>> To 70 meters? I doubt it.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> Heheh, I'm no diver, but I had to wonder at 70 meters too, and with
> regular scuba gear? Somehow, I rather doubt that?


It's a possible. It couldn't be 'a run in the middle of the night to get a
few hundred bottles' thing though. It'd require a lot of planning..... and
cylinders.

A Hookah setup would be better :-)


> But, it will be
> interesting to learn what results the experiments provide, that's for
> sure.
>


It's already been proven to work.

http://www.abc.se/~m10354/uwa/champ-en.htm

4400 bottles of 1907 Heidesieck Champagne sunk in 1916 and 'stored' at a
depth of 64m for 81 years.

We had a taste of it at a special event held here in Brisbane back in
2000.




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PL wrote:
>
> Sky > wrote in
> :
>
> > Gloria P wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Ezrin wrote:
> >> > Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
> >> > > claimed:
> >> >
> >> >> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
> >> >>
> >> >> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing
> >> >> to drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of
> >> >> Portofino where they will mature on the ocean floor in the world's
> >> >> first experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson
> >> >> winery said the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a
> >> >> depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees
> >> >> centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
> >>
> >> To 70 meters? I doubt it.
> >>
> >> gloria p
> >
> > Heheh, I'm no diver, but I had to wonder at 70 meters too, and with
> > regular scuba gear? Somehow, I rather doubt that?
>
> It's a possible. It couldn't be 'a run in the middle of the night to get a
> few hundred bottles' thing though. It'd require a lot of planning..... and
> cylinders.

Agreed, but the keyword I used was "regular"! Besides, what sorts of
seafood is to be had at that depth (70+ meters)?

Sky, who'd rather dive than fly!

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Sky > wrote in
:

> PL wrote:
>>
>> Sky > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > Gloria P wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Bob Ezrin wrote:
>> >> > Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> >> > > claimed:
>> >> >
>> >> >> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is
preparing
>> >> >> to drop 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of
>> >> >> Portofino where they will mature on the ocean floor in the
world's
>> >> >> first experiment of its kind. Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson
>> >> >> winery said the bottles will spend 18 months on the sea bed at a
>> >> >> depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature of 15 degrees
>> >> >> centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
>> >>
>> >> To 70 meters? I doubt it.
>> >>
>> >> gloria p
>> >
>> > Heheh, I'm no diver, but I had to wonder at 70 meters too, and with
>> > regular scuba gear? Somehow, I rather doubt that?
>>
>> It's a possible. It couldn't be 'a run in the middle of the night to
get a
>> few hundred bottles' thing though. It'd require a lot of planning.....
and
>> cylinders.
>
> Agreed, but the keyword I used was "regular"! Besides, what sorts of
> seafood is to be had at that depth (70+ meters)?



Not much, and whatever is down there is pretty ugly :-)


>
> Sky, who'd rather dive than fly!
>


I agree with you on that one. I *hate* flying!!

Probably the reason why I was always so eager to get out of the planes :-)


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PL wrote:

>
> SCUBA divers can get down a lot further than 70m........

The average recreational diver can't...or shouldn't.
That's asking fo trouble.

gloria p

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>
> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
> will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.

<snipped>

When I was a waterfront counselor in summer camp, we "aged" our beer
cans in a mesh bag that rested on the bottom of the lake. Does that
count? :-)

Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:57:39 -0700, Gloria P
> claimed:

>Bob Ezrin wrote:
>> Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
>> > claimed:
>>
>>> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
>>>
>>> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to drop
>>> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where they
>>> will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its kind.
>>> Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
>>> months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant temperature
>>> of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
>
>>
>> Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
>
>
>To 70 meters? I doubt it.

No sense of humus! Or should that be hommous...

In article >,
Bob Ezrin > wrote:

> Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:57:39 -0700, Gloria P
> > claimed:
>
> >Bob Ezrin wrote:
> >> Sometime around Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:03:50 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
> >> > claimed:
> >>
> >>> http://www.packagingdigest.com/artic...927931642.html
> >>>
> >>> ANSA) - Chiavari, February 17 - A Ligurian wine maker is preparing to
> >>> drop
> >>> 6,200 bottles of spumante into the sea off the coast of Portofino where
> >>> they
> >>> will mature on the ocean floor in the world's first experiment of its
> >>> kind.
> >>> Piero Lugano of the Cantina Bisson winery said the bottles will spend 18
> >>> months on the sea bed at a depth of 70 metres, a near-constant
> >>> temperature
> >>> of 15 degrees centigrade, and with an almost total absence of light.
> >
> >>
> >> Time to dust off my old scuba gear!
> >
> >
> >To 70 meters? I doubt it.
>
> No sense of humus! Or should that be hommous...

You CAN dive that deep, you'd just better use your dive tables, and have
large (or spare) tanks to decompress on the way up. ;-)
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