This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember her
ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came from the
late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to stretch the
budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the ingredients list, only
in the instructions.

Sloppy Joes

2 c. bread as for stuffing
2 large onions
garlic (optional)
4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
2 cups catsup
1/2 c. sugar
4 Tbs. vinegar
tsp. salt & pepper to taste

Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.

Okey doke, Mom

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
> her ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came
> from the late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to
> stretch the budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the
> ingredients list, only in the instructions.
>
> Sloppy Joes
>
> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
> 2 large onions
> garlic (optional)
> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
> 2 cups catsup
> 1/2 c. sugar
> 4 Tbs. vinegar
> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>
> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and
> other ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>
> Okey doke, Mom
>
> Jill

That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.

These recipes are interesting reading, Jill. Thanks for typing
them up for us.

--
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"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
>> her ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came
>> from the late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to
>> stretch the budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the
>> ingredients list, only in the instructions.
>>
>> Sloppy Joes
>>
>> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
>> 2 large onions
>> garlic (optional)
>> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
>> 2 cups catsup
>> 1/2 c. sugar
>> 4 Tbs. vinegar
>> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>>
>> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
>> ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>>
>> Okey doke, Mom
>>
>> Jill
>
> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like that
> amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>
I've never added sugar to sloppy joes. Never added bread crumbs, either.
And I wouldn't have considered garlic "optional" LOL

> These recipes are interesting reading, Jill. Thanks for typing them up
> for us.
>
> --
> Jean B.

You're welcome. It's fun (and sometimes funny) stuff

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
> her ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came from
> the late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to stretch
> the budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the ingredients list,
> only in the instructions.
>
> Sloppy Joes
>
> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
> 2 large onions
> garlic (optional)
> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
> 2 cups catsup
> 1/2 c. sugar
> 4 Tbs. vinegar
> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>
> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
> ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>
> Okey doke, Mom
>
> Jill

That is so Kewl of you to share these old recipes - Have you made - remade
any? do they taste the same as you remember?

Dimitri

On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:

> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.

Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>
>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
>> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>
> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>
> nb


I've only ever tried that Manwich sauce once... I was desperate Never
again! I like my sloppy joes on the spicy side. No sugar.

Jill

On Feb 25, 10:11*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>
> > That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. *I wouldn't like
> > that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>
> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>
> nb
===========
For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
catsup etc.)
Anywhere else?
Lynn in Fargo

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:24:00 -0800 (PST), Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig
> wrote:

>For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
>Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
>catsup etc.)
>Anywhere else?

I have had sloppy joes made that way, and they weren't bad. Seemed
really weird to me, though, and I've never considered making mine that
way.

Carol

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Damsel in dis Dress wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:24:00 -0800 (PST), Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig
> > wrote:
>
> >For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
> >Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
> >catsup etc.)
> >Anywhere else?
>
> I have had sloppy joes made that way, and they weren't bad. Seemed
> really weird to me, though, and I've never considered making mine that
> way.


That's nothing, in Wisconsin Sloppy Joes are called "barbeque"...

;-)


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Greg

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:24:00 -0800 (PST), Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig
> wrote:

>On Feb 25, 10:11*am, notbob > wrote:
>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>
>> > That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. *I wouldn't like
>> > that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>
>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>
>> nb
>===========
>For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
>Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
>catsup etc.)
>Anywhere else?
>

Yep, Indiana. That's how Gramma and Mom made them. I remembered they
tasted pretty good...I wonder how I'd like them now?

Lisa Ann

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember her
> ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came from the
> late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to stretch the
> budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the ingredients list, only
> in the instructions.
>
> Sloppy Joes
>
> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
> 2 large onions
> garlic (optional)
> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
> 2 cups catsup
> 1/2 c. sugar
> 4 Tbs. vinegar
> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>
> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
> ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>
> Okey doke, Mom
>
> Jill

Man, that looks like a recipe that would involve several pounds of
ground beef. That's a lot of everything -- Worcestershire, catsup,
onions, bread. . . . Too bad we don't know how much ground beef she
was using.
--
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http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Glorified Rice 2-24-2009

In article
>,
Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:

> For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
> Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
> catsup etc.)
> Anywhere else?
> Lynn in Fargo

Ah, but it is explicable. :-)
The chicken gumbo soup, Lynn, is an ingredient in Campbell's "souper
burgers", published in a book of recipes using Campbell's condensed
soups -- probably 45 years ago. (I like to make my sloppy joe's with
the chicken gumbo and the ketchup and mustard that the recipe included,
too.) :-)
--
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http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Glorified Rice 2-24-2009

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:
>
>> For some inexplicable reason lots of folks in North Dakota (especially
>> Lutherans) insist on a can of Campbells Chicken Gumbo Soup! (Plus
>> catsup etc.)
>> Anywhere else?
>> Lynn in Fargo
>
> Ah, but it is explicable. :-)
> The chicken gumbo soup, Lynn, is an ingredient in Campbell's "souper
> burgers", published in a book of recipes using Campbell's condensed
> soups -- probably 45 years ago. (I like to make my sloppy joe's with
> the chicken gumbo and the ketchup and mustard that the recipe included,
> too.) :-)
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.me.com/barbschaller
> Glorified Rice 2-24-2009

It's also the sloppy joe recipe in the early 70s Betty Crocker cook book.

Ms P

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
>> her
>> ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came from
>> the
>> late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to stretch the
>> budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the ingredients list,
>> only
>> in the instructions.
>>
>> Sloppy Joes
>>
>> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
>> 2 large onions
>> garlic (optional)
>> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
>> 2 cups catsup
>> 1/2 c. sugar
>> 4 Tbs. vinegar
>> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>>
>> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
>> ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>>
>> Okey doke, Mom
>>
>> Jill
>
> Man, that looks like a recipe that would involve several pounds of
> ground beef. That's a lot of everything -- Worcestershire, catsup,
> onions, bread. . . . Too bad we don't know how much ground beef she
> was using.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ



A lot of the recipes are like that. They just expect you to "know" things.
Maybe 2 lbs. of ground beef for this? I know when I make sloppy goes I let
it the sauce simmer down quite a bit.

Jill

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
> >
> >> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
> >> her
> >> ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came from
> >> the
> >> late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to stretch the
> >> budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the ingredients list,
> >> only
> >> in the instructions.
> >>
> >> Sloppy Joes
> >>
> >> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
> >> 2 large onions
> >> garlic (optional)
> >> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
> >> 2 cups catsup
> >> 1/2 c. sugar
> >> 4 Tbs. vinegar
> >> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
> >>
> >> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and other
> >> ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
> >>
> >> Okey doke, Mom
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Man, that looks like a recipe that would involve several pounds of
> > ground beef. That's a lot of everything -- Worcestershire, catsup,
> > onions, bread. . . . Too bad we don't know how much ground beef she
> > was using.
> > --
> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>
>
>
> A lot of the recipes are like that. They just expect you to "know" things.
> Maybe 2 lbs. of ground beef for this? I know when I make sloppy goes I let
> it the sauce simmer down quite a bit.
>
> Jill

Would she have ever used 4# of ground beef, do you think? I keep
looking at the ketchup and think that about 1/2 cup for a pound of
ground beef would be reasonable; a cup seems like too much and way too
ketchupy.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Glorified Rice 2-24-2009

On 2009-02-26, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> looking at the ketchup and think that about 1/2 cup for a pound of
> ground beef would be reasonable; a cup seems like too much and way too
> ketchupy.

I'd hafta test it. What catches my eye is the lack of bell pepper in the
recipe, an ingredient I thought was traditional/crucial to real sloppy joe
sauce. I don't know, never having made my own, but thought I would mention
it.

nb

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't remember
>>> her ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes. I suspect this one came
>>> from the late 1950's when my father was in Korea and she was trying to
>>> stretch the budget. Note, she never mentions ground beef in the
>>> ingredients list, only in the instructions.
>>>
>>> Sloppy Joes
>>>
>>> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
>>> 2 large onions
>>> garlic (optional)
>>> 4 Tbs. Worcestershire sauce
>>> 2 cups catsup
>>> 1/2 c. sugar
>>> 4 Tbs. vinegar
>>> tsp. salt & pepper to taste
>>>
>>> Saute onions and ground beef to separate. Add the bread crumbs and
>>> other ingredients. Serve on unbuttered heated buns.
>>>
>>> Okey doke, Mom
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like that
>> amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>
> I've never added sugar to sloppy joes. Never added bread crumbs, either.
> And I wouldn't have considered garlic "optional" LOL
>
>> These recipes are interesting reading, Jill. Thanks for typing them up
>> for us.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> You're welcome. It's fun (and sometimes funny) stuff
>
> Jill
That reminds me of the "Restricted Veal Loaf" from the Alice B Toklas
cookbook. She wrote it when she and Gertrude Stein were living in rural
France during WWII. It has 1/2 lb ground veal and 7 slices of bread! I made
it once and liked it, though it's not at all like the usual meatloaf. Maybe
there was a "Restricted Sloppy Joe" during the war as well.

Ed

Regarding the Campbell Souper Recipe for sloppy joes with Chicken
Gumbo....
....we used to have them when I was in high school, and that was almost
55 years ago. They were good on toasted buns; and I remember thinking
it was a strange combination at that time, and I was certainly no cook.

Libby

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2009-02-26, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > looking at the ketchup and think that about 1/2 cup for a pound of
> > ground beef would be reasonable; a cup seems like too much and way too
> > ketchupy.
>
> I'd hafta test it. What catches my eye is the lack of bell pepper in the
> recipe, an ingredient I thought was traditional/crucial to real sloppy joe
> sauce. I don't know, never having made my own, but thought I would mention
> it.
>
> nb

When I make them, green pepper doesn't enter in unless I have some that
has to go. Ground beef, onion, maybe a little garlic (maybe not),
ketchup, mustard, maybe a little barbecue sauce, some water to make it
sloppy.

(I'm going to post the Souperburger recipe.)
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"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "jmcquown" > wrote:
>
>> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article >,
>> > "jmcquown" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is one is in my mother's handwriting. I definitely don't
>> >> remember
>> >> her
>> >> ever adding bread crumbs to sloppy joes.
>> >>
>> >> 2 c. bread as for stuffing
>> >> 2 large onions

>> > Man, that looks like a recipe that would involve several pounds of
>> > ground beef. That's a lot of everything -- Worcestershire, catsup,
>> > onions, bread. . . . Too bad we don't know how much ground beef she
>> > was using.
>> > --
>> > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
>>
>>
>>
>> A lot of the recipes are like that. They just expect you to "know"
>> things.
>> Maybe 2 lbs. of ground beef for this? I know when I make sloppy goes I
>> let
>> it the sauce simmer down quite a bit.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Would she have ever used 4# of ground beef, do you think? I keep
> looking at the ketchup and think that about 1/2 cup for a pound of
> ground beef would be reasonable; a cup seems like too much and way too
> ketchupy.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.me.com/barbschaller
> Glorified Rice 2-24-2009


Anything is possible

Jill

In article >,
(Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote:

> Regarding the Campbell Souper Recipe for sloppy joes with Chicken
> Gumbo....
> ...we used to have them when I was in high school, and that was almost
> 55 years ago. They were good on toasted buns; and I remember thinking
> it was a strange combination at that time, and I was certainly no cook.
>
> Libby

It IS an odd thing, but I don't find it offensive at all. Maybe it's
the mustard. I see that the original recipe doesn't have ketchup in it,
just mustard, but I'm pretty sure I put some ketchup in it. It's
another one of those recipes that I don't follow to the letter. :-/
--
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http://web.me.com/barbschaller
Glorified Rice 2-24-2009

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>
>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
>> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>
> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>
> nb

I have used that in the distant past and don't recall much
sweetness. I wonder whether it has evolved in that direction over
the years?

--
Jean B.

jmcquown wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>
>>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
>>> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>
>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>
>> nb
>
>
> I've only ever tried that Manwich sauce once... I was desperate
> Never again! I like my sloppy joes on the spicy side. No sugar.
>
> Jill

I like mine on the tart side--not sweet. And I despise sloppy
joes that contain cumin--or chili powder, which contains cumin.

--
Jean B.

On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:23:41 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>notbob wrote:
>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>
>>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
>>> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>
>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>
>> nb
>
>I have used that in the distant past and don't recall much
>sweetness. I wonder whether it has evolved in that direction over
>the years?

I wonder if there's a difference between the packet and the can? I've
only used the package and like you, I don't remember sweetness being
an issue - but after trying the Jiffy Mix cornbread for the first time
in few years, I did taste more sweetness in that than I remembered.


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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

This is from memory, as far as I know nobody in the family ever wrote it down.

2 lb ground beef
2 large onions chopped fine
4 to 6 ounces ketchup
2 to 4 ounces mustard

Brown onions and ground beef together
Do NOT drain
Add ketchup and mustard
Simmer untill it looks right
Add ketchup and/or mustard to adjust if needed

This recipe ( such as it is ) is over 60 years old, heritage I guess.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:23:41 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like
>>>> that amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>>
>>> nb
>> I have used that in the distant past and don't recall much
>> sweetness. I wonder whether it has evolved in that direction over
>> the years?
>
> I wonder if there's a difference between the packet and the can? I've
> only used the package and like you, I don't remember sweetness being
> an issue - but after trying the Jiffy Mix cornbread for the first time
> in few years, I did taste more sweetness in that than I remembered.
>
>
I've never used or examined the packets, although I have probably
seen them in passing. I think I can put together a sloppy joe
that is to my liking without resorting to any recipe, mix, or
premade sauce. Maybe that's the key--to one's liking. It seems
like the "norms" vary widely.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>
>>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like that
>>> amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>
>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>
>> nb
>
> I have used that in the distant past and don't recall much sweetness. I
> wonder whether it has evolved in that direction over the years?
>

Absolutely. I mean, I don't mind sloppy joes on the sweeter end, but
it's definitely gotten sweeter, as has most canned soup-like stuff, over
the years.

Serene

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:32:22 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

>Jean B. wrote:
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2009-02-25, Jean B. > wrote:
>>>
>>>> That bread would stretch the beef out for sure. I wouldn't like that
>>>> amount of sweetener, but one can always tinker to taste.
>>>
>>> Classic Hunt's sloppy joe sauce (Manwich) is pretty sweet.
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> I have used that in the distant past and don't recall much sweetness. I
>> wonder whether it has evolved in that direction over the years?
>>
>
>Absolutely. I mean, I don't mind sloppy joes on the sweeter end, but
>it's definitely gotten sweeter, as has most canned soup-like stuff, over
>the years.
>
Here's my unsupported thesis about your statement. They are ramping
up the sweetness to mask the lack of salt. I dunno. I don't use
canned sloppy joes or canned soup for that matter. Not because I'm
holier than thou, just because I don't have to.



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interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

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