"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:14:05 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>>
>>> I enjoy your blog I do have a question for you. At what point does
>>> it become more expensive to cook food than to just buy the convenience
>>> item. Example: When I make lasagne from scratch it is extremely
>>> expensive. However, the ingredients I use to make it are all fresh and
>>> bought from specialty shops in the Italian neighborhood here called "The
>>> Hill". I could make it with less expensive ingredients but would
>>> sacrifice taste. It would still be more expensive than buying the 72oz.
>>> frozen Stouffers or Marie Callendars. Both of which I usually keep on
>>> hand and make when my time is limited. Both are convenience foods but
>>> less expensive for me to make than making the dish from scratch.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>> I think that you're possibly comparing apples to oranges. I couldn't
>> compare the two. There should be something more remarkable to
>> differentiate the two, such as taste or quality. If your expensive
>> homemade tastes no better than the frozen convenience versions, you're
>> wasting your time and money making it.
>
> some things are cheaper *if you have the money to invest in buying in
> bulk*. if you're scrambling, the appeal of buying a year's worth of dried
> pasta at one whack may not be very great.
>
> as i said a while back in another thread, it costs a lot of money to be
> poor.

A good way to put it.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:17:11 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote
>>
>> No one donates unless it's something they won't use.
>
> No true, Sheldon!

sheldon imagines everyone to be the cheap chiseler that he is. sad,
really.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote
> and my understanding is that it will be much more difficult if you decide
> to buy insurance again.
>
Since I will be 50 later this month, I am sure I will stay where I am and
consider myself lucky to have health insurance. But it costs $800 a month
and is going up. And for the ten years I've had it, I have gone in for
nothing but basic office visits and required exams only. Not even a single
procedure, xray, nothing. Just Advair prescriptions. (The insurance takes
them down from $300 a month to $30.) I guess I should consider myself paying
in now for what I will use later. Or could be I will be lucky and die from
my very first surgery at age 87 as a relative just did.

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Mar 13, 8:08*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>> Bobo Bonobo® > *news:da294994-58bd-4470-ab7b-
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yes, but many folks here on the NG, who ostensibly know how to cook
>>> use that Kraft boxed crap. *They turn it into their own unique semi-
>>> homemade masterpieces, and then tell us all about it.
>>
>> I've never seen anything like you posted. Sure, lots of people use canned
>> soups in recipes but the recipes are simple, usually casserole type things. *
>> This is a cooking group, not a gourmet group. *Never have I seen anyone
>> jazz up "Kraft boxed crap" and claim it was anything else.
>
> There was a thread last week.
>>

> --Bryan

yes, they're so dreary compared to your scintillating posts about onion
farts and the fantasies on the torture and execution of trans-fat
manufacturers.

blake

On 14 Mar 2009 02:32:21 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> "brooklyn1" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Bobo Bonobo® > news:da294994-58bd-4470-ab7b-
>>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but many folks here on the NG, who ostensibly know how to cook
>>>> use that Kraft boxed crap. They turn it into their own unique semi-
>>>> homemade masterpieces, and then tell us all about it.
>>>
>>> I've never seen anything like you posted. Sure, lots of people use
>>> canned soups in recipes but the recipes are simple, usually casserole
>>> type things.
>>> This is a cooking group, not a gourmet group. Never have I seen
>>> anyone jazz up "Kraft boxed crap" and claim it was anything else.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah, but... many have called Kraft Mac 'n Cheese caserole gourmet
>> cooking because they added <drum roll> shrimpsss. hehe
>
> Shrimp? That sounds pretty nasty. I do eat the old blue box of Kraft
> but I eat it as a snack. From the old college days. I loved it and
> ramen. Still do. So sue me ;-)
>
> Michael

everyone knows that kraft macaroni and ramen are beneath contempt, but spam
is the food of the gods. get with the program!

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:23:06 -0400, Kajikit wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:43:46 -0500, Becca > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> Didja see that tv spot where the guy tried to live on food stamps for
>>> a month? I wanted to grab him thru the tv screen when he tossed boxed
>>> mashed potatoes in his cart along with some other convenience type
>>> boxed and canned junk.
>>>
>>> No wonder he couldn't stretch a dollar.
>>>
>>> Stepping off soapbox now.
>>>
>>
>>Yep, I saw that. He bought boxed mac & cheese, when home made would
>>have been cheaper and it would have tasted better.
>
> But would it really have been cheaper? Making your own requires pasta
> (cheap) milk (fairly cheap) and cheese (expensive). Buying a boxed mix
> only needs a little milk or even water. You can't get enough
> ingredients to make a pan of macaroni cheese for two bucks. It may be
> a false economy in terms of nutrition and long-term savings, but in
> the short term you've got food in your stomach.

exactly. i think many people forget that the poor don't really have the
money to invest in the 'long term.'

this apart from the fact that they can't jump in the car to take advantage
of 'bargains' that are available.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote
> everyone knows that kraft macaroni and ramen are beneath contempt, but
> spam
> is the food of the gods. get with the program!

I just barely managed to get past the ramen at Aldi yesterday. How can
something so bad for you taste so good? I love the stuff. I like it best
with nothing but the seasoning packet contents on it. It's a recipe for an
early stroke. I have to keep it out of the house. The worst thing that has
happened to my diet since Dunkin Donuts put in a drive through.

On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:34:12 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> Steve Pope wrote:
>> Christine Dabney > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:51:42 +0000 (UTC),
>>
>>>> Just the time involvement. Very little cooking that I do
>>>> requires as lengthy a cleanup process as using the food
>>>> processor. So I don't use it much.
>>
>>> Oh, I find it easy to clean it up..... I am not adverse to sticking
>>> the parts in the dishwasher...so I use mine pretty often.
>>
>> Yeah, I got no dishwasher either. However I do plan sometime
>> to use the food processer a little more often to get
>> a better fix on how time-consuming it really is. It may
>> be more of a mental barrier than a true time problem.
>>
>> Steve
>>
> Or maybe this would be a task for a stick blender? Then cleanup
> would be easy.

i was thinking along those lines as well.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> actually, in part they're doing it so that assholes like you might
> stop bleating that food stamp recipients are living high off the hog
> on your measly dime.

Perhaps they would like to change places with you Blake?

blake murphy > wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 07:34:12 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

>> Or maybe this would be a task for a stick blender? Then cleanup
>> would be easy.

>i was thinking along those lines as well.

Maybe one could make a small batch of hummus with a stick
blender. A little experimentation would determine if
this works.

Steve

In article >,
"cybercat" > wrote:
(snip)
> This is why so many poor people are malnourished. Obesity is another form of
> malnutrition. And high blood pressure is another side effect of this kind of
> eating due to the salt content in the foods. But for kids, it's not so bad,
> as they at least have systems efficient enough to deal with the fat and salt
> levels.

The kicker on that, though, is that the kid is developing a taste for
the fat and the salt that is a cast iron bitch (to quote Harry) to get
away from as an adult, when the systems are *not* so efficient at
'dealing with' the fat and the salt levels; and they come to think that
food is something that comes out of a box and you add water and butter
to it before it goes into a pan.

Combine those developed-while-young habits with the reduction in the
amount of physical activity that most youngsters get and it's easy to
understand why obesity among children is a huge (no pun intended) health
concern.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> I subscribe to the "Dolly Levy" school of economics. Spending money
> (responsibly) helps the little guy....

Isn't she Dolly Lama's sister? The one who married the Jewish guy from
Brooklyn? I *thought* so!

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

blake murphy wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > On Mar 13, 8:08 pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> >> Bobo Bonobo® > news:da294994-58bd-4470-ab7b-
> >> : in rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, but many folks here on the NG, who ostensibly know how to cook
> >>> use that Kraft boxed crap. They turn it into their own unique semi-
> >>> homemade masterpieces, and then tell us all about it.
> >>
> >> I've never seen anything like you posted. Sure, lots of people use
canned
> >> soups in recipes but the recipes are simple, usually casserole type
things.
> >> This is a cooking group, not a gourmet group. Never have I seen anyone
> >> jazz up "Kraft boxed crap" and claim it was anything else.
> >
> > There was a thread last week.
> >>
>
> > --Bryan
>
> yes, they're so dreary compared to your scintillating posts about onion
> farts and the fantasies on the torture and execution of trans-fat
> manufacturers.
>
> blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:15:12 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > On Mar 13, 8:08 pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> >> Bobo Bonobo® > news:da294994-58bd-4470-ab7b-
> >> : in rec.food.cooking
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Yes, but many folks here on the NG, who ostensibly know how to cook
> >>> use that Kraft boxed crap. They turn it into their own unique semi-
> >>> homemade masterpieces, and then tell us all about it.
> >>
> >> I've never seen anything like you posted. Sure, lots of people use
canned
> >> soups in recipes but the recipes are simple, usually casserole type
things.
> >> This is a cooking group, not a gourmet group. Never have I seen anyone
> >> jazz up "Kraft boxed crap" and claim it was anything else.
> >
> > There was a thread last week.
> >>
>
> > --Bryan
>
> yes, they're so dreary compared to your scintillating posts about onion
> farts and the fantasies on the torture and execution of trans-fat
> manufacturers.


Lol...and wasn't it Booboo that wrote that he fed crappy stuff to a
neighbor's dog so it'd die...???


--
Best
Greg

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> Goomba > wrote:
>
>> I subscribe to the "Dolly Levy" school of economics. Spending money
>> (responsibly) helps the little guy....
>
> Isn't she Dolly Lama's sister? The one who married the Jewish guy
> from Brooklyn? I *thought* so!

Dolly Lama huh? <g>

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
> The kicker on that, though, is that the kid is developing a taste for
> the fat and the salt that is a cast iron bitch (to quote Harry) to get
> away from as an adult, when the systems are *not* so efficient at
> 'dealing with' the fat and the salt levels; and they come to think that
> food is something that comes out of a box and you add water and butter
> to it before it goes into a pan.
>
> Combine those developed-while-young habits with the reduction in the
> amount of physical activity that most youngsters get and it's easy to
> understand why obesity among children is a huge (no pun intended) health
> concern.

Excellent points, all.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On 14 Mar 2009 02:32:21 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> "brooklyn1" >
>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>
>>>
>>> "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Bobo Bonobo® > news:da294994-58bd-4470-ab7b-
>>>> : in rec.food.cooking
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, but many folks here on the NG, who ostensibly know how to cook
>>>>> use that Kraft boxed crap. They turn it into their own unique semi-
>>>>> homemade masterpieces, and then tell us all about it.
>>>>
>>>> I've never seen anything like you posted. Sure, lots of people use
>>>> canned soups in recipes but the recipes are simple, usually casserole
>>>> type things.
>>>> This is a cooking group, not a gourmet group. Never have I seen
>>>> anyone jazz up "Kraft boxed crap" and claim it was anything else.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeah, but... many have called Kraft Mac 'n Cheese caserole gourmet
>>> cooking because they added <drum roll> shrimpsss. hehe
>>
>> Shrimp? That sounds pretty nasty. I do eat the old blue box of Kraft
>> but I eat it as a snack. From the old college days. I loved it and
>> ramen. Still do. So sue me ;-)
>>
>> Michael
>
> everyone knows that kraft macaroni and ramen are beneath contempt, but
> spam
> is the food of the gods. get with the program!
>
>Has to be like 30 years since I've eaten any mac n' cheese, hate it. But I
>often have ramen a la julienne of Spam... had it for lunch today, manna
>from the ethers.. only thing better is breast milk on tap.

cybercat wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote
> > The kicker on that, though, is that the kid is developing a taste for
> > the fat and the salt that is a cast iron bitch (to quote Harry) to get
> > away from as an adult, when the systems are *not* so efficient at
> > 'dealing with' the fat and the salt levels; and they come to think that
> > food is something that comes out of a box and you add water and butter
> > to it before it goes into a pan.
> >
> > Combine those developed-while-young habits with the reduction in the
> > amount of physical activity that most youngsters get and it's easy to
> > understand why obesity among children is a huge (no pun intended) health
> > concern.
>
> Excellent points, all.


It goes back to yer point about ramen being "addictive", cyberkittie...


--
Best
Greg

Omelet wrote:

> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th.
> Part of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Bummer.

> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him
> maybe a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both
> agree we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia
> that's been creeping up on him.

We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my
fil. If he wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was
after. He went completely downhill that day, never to return.
He lived on, of course, sort of.

nancy

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> Becca > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>> > I'm just trying to survive on a limited budget... and still afford
>> > health care.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Well, I dropped my health insurance a few years ago when the rates
>> became incredibly high - they were raising the rates quarterly, it was
>> that bad. Now, I self insure. That money is taken out of my checking
>> account monthly and it goes into savings. This is not for everybody and
>> you do take a risk in case something catastrophic happens. OTOH, I am
>> free to see any doctor I choose.
>>
>>
>> Becca
>
> That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> with the rather high out of pocket costs.
>
> Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
>
> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
> of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> creeping up on him.
>
> Such is life...
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not
> judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Bummer for you and your sister but nonetheless it sounds like a pretty good
decision.

Dimitri

In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > I'm just trying to survive on a limited budget... and still afford
> > health care.
> >
>
>
> Well, I dropped my health insurance a few years ago when the rates
> became incredibly high - they were raising the rates quarterly, it was
> that bad. Now, I self insure. That money is taken out of my checking
> account monthly and it goes into savings. This is not for everybody and
> you do take a risk in case something catastrophic happens. OTOH, I am
> free to see any doctor I choose.
>
>
> Becca

That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
with the rather high out of pocket costs.

Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.

The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>

The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
creeping up on him.

Such is life...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

"Nancy Young" > wrote
> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my fil. If he
> wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was after. He went
> completely downhill that day, never to return.
> He lived on, of course, sort of.

I know it sounds weird, but I am so glad people in my family tend to just
drop dead. I hope I am that lucky.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:34:29 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>
>> This is true of pancakes, too. I buy Krusteaz whole wheat, you just add
>> water, they're delicious, and about one third the price of homemade done
>> with eggs, milk, and flour.
>>
>
> I was enamored with Krusteaz as soon as I discovered it! Good stuff
> and dead easy - I am a "just add water" fan. Why kid yourself about
> "cooking" if all you're doing is opening a box? I prefer to drop the
> charade of cracking eggs, melting butter, measuring milk etc when I
> use a boxed mix.

Sam's Club had giant boxes of Krusteaz Brownie mix that tasted great,
and it was less expensive that I could make it. All you had to add was
water. They stoped carrying it several years ago, replacing it with
Duncan Hines ( I think). If I fall off the low-carb wagon, I will see
if I can find it in the supermarket.


Becca

Omelet wrote:
> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been creeping up on him.
>
> Such is life...
>

Between your Dad and your nephews, your family has been keeping you
busy, not to mention your job. Sorry to hear the sad news about your
Dad. I know this will be a tough time for you and your sister, you
especially since you are his part-time caretaker.


Becca

On Mar 14, 6:08*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,
>
>
>
> *Becca > wrote:
> > Omelet wrote:
> > > I'm just trying to survive on a limited budget... and still afford
> > > health care.
>
> > Well, I dropped my health insurance a few years ago when the rates
> > became incredibly high - they were raising the rates quarterly, it was
> > that bad. *Now, I self insure. That money is taken out of my checking
> > account monthly and it goes into savings. *This is not for everybody and
> > you do take a risk in case something catastrophic happens. * OTOH, I am
> > free to see any doctor I choose.
>
> > Becca
>
> That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> with the rather high out of pocket costs.
>
> Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
>
> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. *Part
> of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> a year or two to live. *No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> creeping up on him.

And if he's refusing for that very reason, that seems honorable and
wise.
>
> Such is life...
> --
> Peace! Om
>
--Bryan

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Becca > wrote:
>
<snip>


> That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> with the rather high out of pocket costs.
>
> Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
>
> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
> of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> creeping up on him.
>
> Such is life...
> --


Sorry to hear that. Hope it all turns out best for everyone.

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my fil. If he
>> wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was after. He went
>> completely downhill that day, never to return.
>> He lived on, of course, sort of.
>
> I know it sounds weird, but I am so glad people in my family tend to just
> drop dead. I hope I am that lucky.

No, not weird at all. IMO, best way to go. Some shock for the family, but
better than having someone linger in pain for weeks.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
>>>current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th.
>>>Part of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>>
>>Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Bummer.
>
>
> Thanks sweetie.
>
>
>>
>>
>>>The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
>>>surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him
>>>maybe a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both
>>>agree we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia
>>>that's been creeping up on him.
>>
>>We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my
>>fil. If he wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was
>>after. He went completely downhill that day, never to return.
>>He lived on, of course, sort of.
>>
>>nancy
>
>
> That's what we are afraid of. There are worst things than death.
> Once the mind is gone, what is the point?

Gosh! and to think i actually wanted to gleefully rant about my decision
to purchase a new computer.

In the "cutting back" theme.

I used to have people to make these sort of choices for me, but i have
decided to do it for myself.

Make up my own mind.

Hopefully?

I don't know? its all so serious .... im unused to it as such.

I mean 'open heart surgery' that trumps any little computer glitch i may
be having

*sigh* the monster comes on t.v. and Japanese rock & roll starts
playing.....

.....waiting....ah...piano....John Lennon.....i was feeling
insecure....you might not love me anymore....shivering in style?
--
JL

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> > current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th.
> > Part of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Bummer.

Thanks sweetie.

>
> > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him
> > maybe a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both
> > agree we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia
> > that's been creeping up on him.
>
> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my
> fil. If he wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was
> after. He went completely downhill that day, never to return.
> He lived on, of course, sort of.
>
> nancy

That's what we are afraid of. There are worst things than death.
Once the mind is gone, what is the point?
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"Dimitri" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > Becca > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet wrote:
> >> > I'm just trying to survive on a limited budget... and still afford
> >> > health care.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, I dropped my health insurance a few years ago when the rates
> >> became incredibly high - they were raising the rates quarterly, it was
> >> that bad. Now, I self insure. That money is taken out of my checking
> >> account monthly and it goes into savings. This is not for everybody and
> >> you do take a risk in case something catastrophic happens. OTOH, I am
> >> free to see any doctor I choose.
> >>
> >>
> >> Becca
> >
> > That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> > I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> > with the rather high out of pocket costs.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
> >
> > The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> > current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
> > of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
> >
> > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> > a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> > we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> > creeping up on him.
> >
> > Such is life...
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> > I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not
> > judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama
>
> Bummer for you and your sister but nonetheless it sounds like a pretty good
> decision.
>
> Dimitri

Thanks.
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > In article >,
> > Becca > wrote:
> >
> <snip>
>
>
> > That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> > I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> > with the rather high out of pocket costs.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
> >
> > The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> > current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
> > of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
> >
> > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> > a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> > we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> > creeping up on him.
> >
> > Such is life...
> > --
>
>
> Sorry to hear that. Hope it all turns out best for everyone.

Dad knows he's been having the memory issues. I'm not sure if they
explained it to him or not. Dr. S**** says that they feel he's a bit
"loopy". <sigh> Sis' and I have both known that for awhile.

Both of his blood cultures turned up positive for Staph' on my shift so
I got to do the Gram stains personally. I feel his recent collapse was
caused by sepsis, not the Atrial valve stenosis.

Only time will tell...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> > current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part of
> > why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
> >
> > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe a
> > year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree we'd
> > rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been creeping
> > up on him.
> >
> > Such is life...
> >
>
> Between your Dad and your nephews, your family has been keeping you
> busy, not to mention your job. Sorry to hear the sad news about your
> Dad. I know this will be a tough time for you and your sister, you
> especially since you are his part-time caretaker.
>
>
> Becca

Thanks Becca. Dad lives with me so I do take care of him when I'm not
working. To date, he's been ok enough to at least not get lost during
shopping trips.

I'm not sure what is ahead of me at this time...

We all have to bury our parents someday.

My nephews are currently asleep on the couch. They took turns cuddling
in my lap tonight while watching movies. :-) I enjoyed that immensely.
Sis' and the BIL will pick them up here shortly. I dearly love
babysitting them and am glad that sis' trusts me enough to keep them!
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article
>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> > a year or two to live. *No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> > we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> > creeping up on him.
>
> And if he's refusing for that very reason, that seems honorable and
> wise.
> >
> > Such is life...
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> --Bryan

He'll refuse because he does not believe in allopathic medicine.
In this case tho', it won't be a bad thing.

I'm prepared to lose dad. Not looking forward to it, but I know it's
inevitable. He's had a fairly decent run at 76...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "cybercat" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote
> >> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my fil. If he
> >> wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was after. He went
> >> completely downhill that day, never to return.
> >> He lived on, of course, sort of.
> >
> > I know it sounds weird, but I am so glad people in my family tend to just
> > drop dead. I hope I am that lucky.
>
> No, not weird at all. IMO, best way to go. Some shock for the family, but
> better than having someone linger in pain for weeks.

Or months...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

On Mar 15, 2:39*am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>
> > > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> > > a year or two to live. *No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> > > we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> > > creeping up on him.
>
> > And if he's refusing for that very reason, that seems honorable and
> > wise.
>
> > > Such is life...
> > > --
> > > Peace! Om
>
> > --Bryan
>
> He'll refuse because he does not believe in allopathic medicine.
> In this case tho', it won't be a bad thing.

Well, then honorable and foolish. Not believing in allopathic
medicine is almost up there with not believing that the Earth is
spherical.
>
> I'm prepared to lose dad. *Not looking forward to it, but I know it's
> inevitable. He's had a fairly decent run at 76...
> --
> Peace! Om

--Bryan

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "cybercat" > wrote

>> "Nancy Young" > wrote
>>> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my fil. If he
>>> wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was after. He went
>>> completely downhill that day, never to return.
>>> He lived on, of course, sort of.
>>
>> I know it sounds weird, but I am so glad people in my family tend to
>> just drop dead. I hope I am that lucky.
>
> No, not weird at all. IMO, best way to go. Some shock for the
> family, but better than having someone linger in pain for weeks.

My father died suddenly and while it wasn't a huge shock, it still
was. Vastly preferable to watching someone lose their mind.
I wish a quick end for myself, I agree with you both there.

nancy

In article >,
Joseph Littleshoes > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> >>>current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th.
> >>>Part of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
> >>
> >>Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Bummer.
> >
> >
> > Thanks sweetie.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>>The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> >>>surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him
> >>>maybe a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both
> >>>agree we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia
> >>>that's been creeping up on him.
> >>
> >>We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my
> >>fil. If he wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was
> >>after. He went completely downhill that day, never to return.
> >>He lived on, of course, sort of.
> >>
> >>nancy
> >
> >
> > That's what we are afraid of. There are worst things than death.
> > Once the mind is gone, what is the point?
>
> Gosh! and to think i actually wanted to gleefully rant about my decision
> to purchase a new computer.
>
> In the "cutting back" theme.
>
> I used to have people to make these sort of choices for me, but i have
> decided to do it for myself.
>
> Make up my own mind.
>
> Hopefully?
>
> I don't know? its all so serious .... im unused to it as such.
>
> I mean 'open heart surgery' that trumps any little computer glitch i may
> be having
>
> *sigh* the monster comes on t.v. and Japanese rock & roll starts
> playing.....
>
> ....waiting....ah...piano....John Lennon.....i was feeling
> insecure....you might not love me anymore....shivering in style?
> --
> JL

It's all good luv. Life can be a bit of a bummer sometimes!
I want to make sure my sister knows not to keep me alive if I lose MY
mind. <g> She's 10 years younger than me so likely to outlive me by at
least a few years. And when my nephews are old enough to understand,
I'll make sure they know too. They are my only real family next to my
cousins in California...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article
>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2:39*am, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> >
> > > > The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> > > > surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> > > > a year or two to live. *No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> > > > we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> > > > creeping up on him.
> >
> > > And if he's refusing for that very reason, that seems honorable and
> > > wise.
> >
> > > > Such is life...
> >
> > > --Bryan
> >
> > He'll refuse because he does not believe in allopathic medicine.
> > In this case tho', it won't be a bad thing.
>
> Well, then honorable and foolish. Not believing in allopathic
> medicine is almost up there with not believing that the Earth is
> spherical.

<lol> Even my chiropractors website has an article about how to stay
alive involving avoiding being put in the hospital! And I believe it.
Remember, I work in health care.

I've seen the mistakes made and the consequences.

Read up on the statistics. Medical mistakes kill more people every year
than car accidents do...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > "cybercat" > wrote
>
> >> "Nancy Young" > wrote
> >>> We were sorry that we let them install a pacemaker in my fil. If he
> >>> wasn't full-blown alzheimers before, he sure was after. He went
> >>> completely downhill that day, never to return.
> >>> He lived on, of course, sort of.
> >>
> >> I know it sounds weird, but I am so glad people in my family tend to
> >> just drop dead. I hope I am that lucky.
> >
> > No, not weird at all. IMO, best way to go. Some shock for the
> > family, but better than having someone linger in pain for weeks.
>
> My father died suddenly and while it wasn't a huge shock, it still
> was. Vastly preferable to watching someone lose their mind.
> I wish a quick end for myself, I agree with you both there.
>
> nancy

I think we all want to just die in our sleep...
--
Peace! Om

I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

Omelet wrote:
> That will work for most, as long as nothing drastic happens.
> I'm just glad to have health insurance provided by my employer, even
> with the rather high out of pocket costs.
>
> Unfortunately, I've needed it lately.
>
> The cost outside of medicare is going to be interesting with dad's
> current hospitalization. He collapsed in the bathroom on the 12th. Part
> of why I'm so behind on posts. <sigh>
>
> The Dr. called me this morning. If dad refuses to have open heart
> surgery for valve replacement (which I know he will), he gives him maybe
> a year or two to live. No surprise... and I and my sister both agree
> we'd rather have dad die of heart issues than the dementia that's been
> creeping up on him.
>
> Such is life...

Such is the downside of life, indeed. :-( <<<<<Om>>>>>
--
Jean B.