We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
Lynn in Fargo
(Too much time on my hands :-)

On Mar 18, 11:50*am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. *I've got a burning question . . . * The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. *LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. *I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. *What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands *:-)

Butter the bread. Otherwise, I feel like I'm wasting butter and also
uneven distribution maybe of the butter on the bread.

That said, lately I've been just layering bread, tomato and cheese
(and maybe a slice of ham) times two and using the top brown setting
on my toaster oven. No pan to clean, cuts fat and cals too. And very
fast.

On Mar 18, 11:50*am, Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. *I've got a burning question . . . * The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. *LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. *I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. *What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands *:-)

Actually I have done this for years with regular grilled cheese. It
began when our butter was too cold to spread on the bread without
tearing. So I thought of melting the butter then adding the sandwich.

It's fabulous! Makes a nice crispy sandwich, not overly soaked in
butter.

Try it, I think you'll like it.

Good luck,
Kris

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

I have always promoted the melting of butter in the pan and then sloshing
the first piece of bread around in it. Then beuilding the sandwich int he
pan upon the sedon piece (which will absorb the rest of the butter int he
pan as you make it).

You use less butter and it gets more evenly distributed to the face of the
bread without tearing it up.

You heard it here first, a post of mine from 12 years ago:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...85ab59cf?hl=en

(Damn - I don't even remember having an "infinet.com" account, or even
what state I was even living in back then - Virginia?)

-sw

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

I always melt the butter in the pan. My butter is usually
unspreadable, or not easily spreadable. Even though I leave
it out most of the year it stays fairly firm. Only on the
hottest days of the year is it actually spreadable.

I don't think it really makes a difference. Also, I don't like
having to pick up a sandwich that is buttered on the outside to
put it in the pan.

Kate


--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>


My husband's family often made "open faced" grilled cheese sandwiches.
Lightly toast a slice of bread.

Top with cheese and your choice: tomato/ham/bacon/pineapple, etc. on
top, place on a baking pan and broil or top brown in an oven or toaster
oven until the cheese melts. Quite tasty even without butter or the top
slice of bread.

gloria p

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>

It works fine if you don't use too much butter.

In article
>,
Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

Butter the bread first. I think you're right about soaking up a lot of
butter if you butter the pan instead of the bread. Maybe Lynne's got a
deal with Land O'Lakes. "-)

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

On Mar 18, 10:43*am, Melba's Jammin' >
wrote:
> In article
> >,
> *Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>
> > We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> > death. *I've got a burning question . . . * The Splendid Table e-
> > Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. *LRK says to
> > melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. *I have
> > ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> > pan. *What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> > doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> > Lynn in Fargo
> > (Too much time on my hands *:-)
>
> Butter the bread first. *I think you're right about soaking up a lot of
> butter if you butter the pan instead of the bread. *Maybe Lynne's got a
> deal with Land O'Lakes. * *"-)
>
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJhttp://web.me.com/barbschaller- pot pie
> "What you say about someone else says more
> about you than it does about the other person."

Because I live alone, I always keep half a stick of butter in a small
dish on the counter so I always have soft butter. In the rare case
that I don't have soft butter, I nuke some. Think I will try the
Butter-in-the-Pan Method next time!
Muchas Gracias
Lynn in Fargo

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> My husband's family often made "open faced" grilled cheese sandwiches.
> Lightly toast a slice of bread.
>
> Top with cheese and your choice: tomato/ham/bacon/pineapple, etc. on
> top, place on a baking pan and broil or top brown in an oven or toaster
> oven until the cheese melts. Quite tasty even without butter or the top
> slice of bread.
>
> gloria p

Reminds me of a Weight Watcher's "Reuben" sandwich from about 35 years
ago. Toasted bread, sliced chicken, drained kraut, cheese; broiled
until cheese melts. It was very good.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

>We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>pan. What do you do???

Use olive oil?? :-)

S.

Gloria P > wrote:

> My husband's family often made "open faced" grilled cheese sandwiches.
> Lightly toast a slice of bread.

> Top with cheese and your choice: tomato/ham/bacon/pineapple, etc. on
> top, place on a baking pan and broil or top brown in an oven or toaster
> oven until the cheese melts. Quite tasty even without butter or the top
> slice of bread.

I sometimes do this, except I use the microwave to melt the cheese.
In fact, just this morning I toasted an "everything" bagel, put on
a slice of American cheese and 3 strips of cooked bacon and gave it
20 seconds in the micro, et voila' breakfast. This particular time
it was a "closed" sandwich, but I'll do open face with a single
slice of bread. I've found putting a paper towel under the bread
keeps it from getting soggy underneath.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>

Christy always buttered the sandwich first. I simply toss mine into a hot
buttery skillet. Hers were better, but mine are perfectly acceptable.

TFM®

Omelet > wrote:

> (Steve Pope) wrote:

>> Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

>> >We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>> >death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>> >Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>> >melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>> >ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>> >pan. What do you do???

>> Use olive oil?? :-)

>EW!!!

Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.

Steve

On Wed 18 Mar 2009 09:17:09a, Kate Connally told us...

> Lynn from Fargo wrote:
>> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
>> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter> Lynn in
>> Fargo (Too much time on my hands :-)
>
> I always melt the butter in the pan. My butter is usually
> unspreadable, or not easily spreadable. Even though I leave
> it out most of the year it stays fairly firm. Only on the
> hottest days of the year is it actually spreadable.
>
> I don't think it really makes a difference. Also, I don't like
> having to pick up a sandwich that is buttered on the outside to
> put it in the pan.
>
> Kate
>
>

Just the opposite... I butter the outside of the bread, not the pan.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:36:10a, Steve Pope told us...

> Omelet > wrote:
>
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>>> Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>
>>> >We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>>> >death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>>> >Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>>> >melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>>> >ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>>> >pan. What do you do???
>
>>> Use olive oil?? :-)
>
>>EW!!!
>
> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
>
> Steve
>

I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.
However, I really do like cooking with olive oil.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:36:10a, Steve Pope told us...

>> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
>> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.

>I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.

Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom use
any butter in their cooking. So it's not such a small minority...

>However, I really do like cooking with olive oil.

A good French or sourdough bread, fried briefly in olive oil, is
awesome. IMO, etc.


Steve

On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:50:20a, Steve Pope told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:36:10a, Steve Pope told us...
>
>>> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
>>> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
>
>>I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.
>
> Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom use
> any butter in their cooking. So it's not such a small minority...

I thought it would be obvious I was referring to grilled cheese sandiwiches
in the US where butter is by far the preference for such sandwiches, at
least IME.

>>However, I really do like cooking with olive oil.
>
> A good French or sourdough bread, fried briefly in olive oil, is
> awesome. IMO, etc.

I would agree, but then we're not talking about grilled cheese sandwiches,
or at least I'm not.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

Yep, put it in the pan. You'll use less, and it will brown much better.

Why not just try it and see?

In article
>,
Lynn from Fargo > wrote:

> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

Well, this works for me...

I toast the bread LIGHTLY first, butter it on the outside, put the
cheese in the sandwich then put it in a dry pan. Finishes toasting it
while the cheese melts well on the inside between the two pieces.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>
> >We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> >death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> >Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> >melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> >ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> >pan. What do you do???
>
> Use olive oil?? :-)
>
> S.

EW!!!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article > ,
TFM® > wrote:

> "Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> > death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> > Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> > melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> > ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> > pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> > doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> > Lynn in Fargo
> > (Too much time on my hands :-)
> >
>
> Christy always buttered the sandwich first. I simply toss mine into a hot
> buttery skillet. Hers were better, but mine are perfectly acceptable.
>
> TFM®

I'm just glad to see you posting here again babe. :-) Welcome back!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
> >> Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
>
> >> >We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> >> >death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> >> >Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> >> >melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> >> >ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> >> >pan. What do you do???
>
> >> Use olive oil?? :-)
>
> >EW!!!
>
> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
>
> Steve

Well, next time I actually make one (I'm still low carbing and will be
for the forseeable future), I may try coconut oil as that's my current
favorite cooking oil at the moment...

#40 down, #65 to go.

Then I'm going to "Outback" and I'm going to have a damned baked spud.
<g>
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>

I toast and LIGHTLY butter both sides of the bread then put on the
cheddar cheese, mashed garlic & oregano and only then put in the pan to
heat through until the cheese gets melty.

Occasionally a few pieces of bacon are added.

And more often than not, i use the microwave with untoasted bread, mayo
& mustard, cheese & thin sliced meat, nuke till cheese is melty, its no
longer even a pseudo grilled cheese but its even better imo.
--
JL

In article 7>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:36:10a, Steve Pope told us...
>
> > Omelet > wrote:
> >
> >> (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> >>> Lynn from Fargo > wrote:
> >
> >>> >We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> >>> >death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> >>> >Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> >>> >melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> >>> >ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> >>> >pan. What do you do???
> >
> >>> Use olive oil?? :-)
> >
> >>EW!!!
> >
> > Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
> > cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
> I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.
> However, I really do like cooking with olive oil.

I like cooking with Olive Oil too, but not toast!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:50:20a, Steve Pope told us...

>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

>>>I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.

>> Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom use
>> any butter in their cooking. So it's not such a small minority...

>I thought it would be obvious I was referring to grilled cheese sandiwiches
>in the US where butter is by far the preference for such sandwiches, at
>least IME.

I only consider myself in the minority if I'm in a global minority.
Were there sentient creatures confirmed on distant planets,
I'd lump them into the statistic as well.

>> A good French or sourdough bread, fried briefly in olive oil, is
>> awesome. IMO, etc.

> I would agree, but then we're not talking about grilled cheese
> sandwiches, or at least I'm not.

I am. Such a cheese sandwich would be pretty common in my household
and I kinda doubt I'm entirely alone. At least among people
in California, people of southern European persuasion, etc.

Steve

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

IMHO spreading the butter first on the pan lessens the amount of butter
required.

Just fold down the paper and rub the warm pan with the butter stick.

For most I start with the 2 pieces of bread open faced for a minute or so
then put the 2 pieces together.

Dimitri

Steve wrote on Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC):

>> On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:36:10a, Steve Pope told us...

>>> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a
>>> grilled cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.

>> I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one,
>> Steve.

> Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom
> use any butter in their cooking. So it's not such a small
> minority...

>> However, I really do like cooking with olive oil.

> A good French or sourdough bread, fried briefly in olive oil,
> is awesome. IMO, etc.

Chinese people don't cook with butter much, AFAIK, but there are about a
million people in the Indian sub-continent and a lot of the food is
swimming in ghee (clarified butter.)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)

I prefer to butter the bread. That way, both sides get an appropriate
does of butter for grilling.

James Silverton <not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not> wrote:

> Steve wrote on Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:50:20 +0000 (UTC):

>> Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom
>> use any butter in their cooking.

>Chinese people don't cook with butter much, AFAIK, but there are about a
>million people in the Indian sub-continent and a lot of the food is
>swimming in ghee (clarified butter.)

Hence my choice of words "east Asia" above.

I am guessing Vietnam is the exception in that region due
to French influences.

Steve

>>
>> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
>> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
>>
>> Steve
>
> Well, next time I actually make one (I'm still low carbing and will be
> for the forseeable future), I may try coconut oil as that's my current
> favorite cooking oil at the moment...
>
> #40 down, #65 to go.
>
> Then I'm going to "Outback" and I'm going to have a damned baked spud.
> <g>
> --
> Peace! Om
>
> Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
> It's about learning to dance in the rain.
> -- Anon.

I'm pretty non-butter oriented these days too. I have made grilled cheese
using olive oil and thought it was pretty good. You need to use a really
good olive oil, though. I was using some Spanish oil a friend brought back
from Segovia.

Fantastic results on your quest, OM. Keep up the great work!

Jon

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>


Heat the pan, add the buttred bread, cheese, ham cheese. Brown it well on
one side, flip it, brown the other, You're doing it right

Jill

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...

> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>

Well, yes, it <does> suck up the butter in the pan. That's the point, isn't
it?

And then when you turn it over, you have to add more butter!

Felice

"Felice" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
>> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
>
> Well, yes, it <does> suck up the butter in the pan. That's the point,
> isn't it?
>
> And then when you turn it over, you have to add more butter!

I always knew you were a woman after my own heart :-) I've used olive oil
too (no "ewwwwws" please) and it's very tasty. Think crusty bread dipped in
EVOO with cheese thrown in to greatly gild the gladiola, what's not to like?

TammyM

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> Lynn from Fargo wrote:
>> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
>> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
>> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
>> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
>> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
>> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
>> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>

Please define "too much butter"

>> Lynn in Fargo
>> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>
> I have always promoted the melting of butter in the pan and then sloshing
> the first piece of bread around in it. Then beuilding the sandwich int he
> pan upon the sedon piece (which will absorb the rest of the butter int he
> pan as you make it).
>
> You use less butter and it gets more evenly distributed to the face of the
> bread without tearing it up.

Exactly. Easy peasy.

>
> You heard it here first, a post of mine from 12 years ago:
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...85ab59cf?hl=en

Yeah, but you really didn't invent it. My grandmother showed me this way,
when I was about 6 or 7. I have no idea how long she'd been doing it.
Maybe invented at different places, simultaneously?

>
> (Damn - I don't even remember having an "infinet.com" account, or even
> what state I was even living in back then - Virginia?)
>
Rumor has it, you spent some time in the "Big House". Could that be it?

> -sw
>

"Lynn from Fargo" > wrote in message
...
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>

I melt the butter in the pan and grill the sandwich in it.

In article >,
"Zeppo" > wrote:

> >>
> >> Heh. I'm so non-butter-oriented that using butter for a grilled
> >> cheese sandwich seems like a "EW" to me.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >
> > Well, next time I actually make one (I'm still low carbing and will be
> > for the forseeable future), I may try coconut oil as that's my current
> > favorite cooking oil at the moment...
> >
> > #40 down, #65 to go.
> >
> > Then I'm going to "Outback" and I'm going to have a damned baked spud.
> > <g>
>
> I'm pretty non-butter oriented these days too. I have made grilled cheese
> using olive oil and thought it was pretty good. You need to use a really
> good olive oil, though. I was using some Spanish oil a friend brought back
> from Segovia.
>
> Fantastic results on your quest, OM. Keep up the great work!
>
> Jon

Thanks Jon. :-)
I'm pretty adventurous, but another oil I use is Grapeseed. I suspect
I'd try that one too.

I have good motivation this time, so will finish the job!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

On Wed 18 Mar 2009 11:56:09a, Steve Pope told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>On Wed 18 Mar 2009 10:50:20a, Steve Pope told us...
>
>>> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>>>>I think you're going to end up in the minoritiy on this one, Steve.
>
>>> Southern Europe, and east Asia outside of Vietnam very seldom use any
>>> butter in their cooking. So it's not such a small minority...
>
>>I thought it would be obvious I was referring to grilled cheese
>>sandiwiches in the US where butter is by far the preference for such
>>sandwiches, at least IME.
>
> I only consider myself in the minority if I'm in a global minority.
> Were there sentient creatures confirmed on distant planets,
> I'd lump them into the statistic as well.

Much of it is frame of reference. Since the term "grilled cheese
sandwich" is ubiquitous in the US, I would not consider myself in any
minority with reference to it. By any other name, it might be quite
different, but not within my reference.

>>> A good French or sourdough bread, fried briefly in olive oil, is
>>> awesome. IMO, etc.
>
>> I would agree, but then we're not talking about grilled cheese
>> sandwiches, or at least I'm not.
>
> I am. Such a cheese sandwich would be pretty common in my household
> and I kinda doubt I'm entirely alone. At least among people
> in California, people of southern European persuasion, etc.

Such a cheese sandwich would be totally foreign in my household, and I'd
still say you're in the minority in the US. A good bread, French, Italian,
or Sourdough, briefly fried in olive oil and perhaps with herbs, would be
common in many places, including my household (but not with cheese).

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Lynn from Fargo wrote:
> We have pretty well beaten the which cheese/which bread question to
> death. I've got a burning question . . . The Splendid Table e-
> Newsletter has a neat recipe for grilled ham and cheese. LRK says to
> melt butter in the pan and cook the sandwich in the butter. I have
> ALWAYS buttered the bread first and then put the sandwich into the hot
> pan. What do you do??? And if you put the butter in the pan first,
> doesn't it make the sandwich just suck up too much butter>
> Lynn in Fargo
> (Too much time on my hands :-)
>

I put the butter in the pan first (for side #1) I don't use bread for
grilled cheese sandwiches, I use flour tortillas.

For side #2, I put the butter on the tortilla then flip it.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south-Texas

Pugsley > wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> (Damn - I don't even remember having an "infinet.com" account, or even
>> what state I was even living in back then - Virginia?)
>>
> Rumor has it, you spent some time in the "Big House". Could that be it?

Cool! I got another stalker! How far do you plan on going before
you get humiliated, too? Nobody has yet to fail.

But, yes - I am in jail. And no, they don't allow Internet access
in jail. But that doesn't stop me.

-sw