Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
crap.

So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?

Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
not the two-beater models.

Best -- Terry

Terry said...

> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
> crap.
>
> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>
> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
> not the two-beater models.
>
> Best -- Terry


Terry,

Maybe, if you don't actually need to increase your mixer capacity, KA will
freely lifetime replace your mixer to new factory condition if you want.
Ring them up and ask to make sure. I saw it on TV.

Best,

Andy

Terry wrote:
> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
> crap.
>
> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>
> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
> not the two-beater models.
>
> Best -- Terry

Terry we picked up 3 Bear Varimixers 5 litre
at a clearing auction a while back for $50.00 each

one was pretty well hammered and we thought would need the others for
spares.

Can kill the thing it just goes and goes
often above 40c heat
we use it not in the kitchen but for mixing stock feed
supplements.
I had never heard or seen the brand before but built like a tank

They are commercial obviously but you might sniff out easily over there
it has a sticker MOFFAT WINSTON salem NC USA

they may assist you perhaps ?

these things are TOUGH and I thought were actually made in Oz but it
appears not because of that sticker ?

"phil..c" > wrote in message
...
> Terry wrote:
>> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
>> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
>> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
>> crap.
>>
>> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
>> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>>
>> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
>> not the two-beater models.
>>
>> Best -- Terry
>
> Terry we picked up 3 Bear Varimixers 5 litre
> at a clearing auction a while back for $50.00 each
>
> one was pretty well hammered and we thought would need the others for
> spares.
>
> Can kill the thing it just goes and goes
> often above 40c heat
> we use it not in the kitchen but for mixing stock feed
> supplements.
> I had never heard or seen the brand before but built like a tank
>
> They are commercial obviously but you might sniff out easily over there
> it has a sticker MOFFAT WINSTON salem NC USA
>
> they may assist you perhaps ?
>
> these things are TOUGH and I thought were actually made in Oz but it
> appears not because of that sticker ?

http://www.moffat.com.au/products/Ba...rs/default.asp

Terry wrote:
>
> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
> crap.
>
> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>
> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
> not the two-beater models.
>
> Best -- Terry

The obvious replacement is the Hobart N-50 if you don't care about the
cost. The N-50 is built like a tank, like the old Hobart built
Kitchenaids. It will outlast you and several generations of your
offspring, it might even outlast cockroaches after a nuclear war.

"Pete C." wrote:
> Terry wrote:
>>
>> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
>> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
>> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
>> crap.
>>
>> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
>> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>>
>> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
>> not the two-beater models.
>>
>> Best -- Terry
>
> The obvious replacement is the Hobart N-50 if you don't care about the
> cost.

Most folks do care about paying ten times more.

> The N-50 is built like a tank,

True.

> like the old Hobart built Kitchenaids.

Not true. The N 50 is built nothing like the old KA.

And the N 50 only has a 5 quart capacity, not what the OP is looking for...
of course we've no idea what he's looking for (I seriously doubt he knows
himself), he hasn't indicated what capacity or what he intends to mix with
it... 999 times out of of 1000 the 4.5 quart capacity will be far more than
enough volume. If the old 4.5 quart KA isn't broken don't fix it.

And how often does one really need to mix up a larger batch of anything...
on those few occasions do what the professionals do, mix up a second batch
in the same machine.... if your machine can only knead enough dough for two
loaves but your oven can only bake two loaves then it's smarter to stagger
the second batch so while the first batch is baking there's time to make up
the second two loaves and time for them to rise so that when the first two
come out the second two are tready to bake. That's how it's done by
professionals... rather than buying a lot of expensive over-engineered
equipment they invest in a clock... and while waiting they don't just stand
around with a finger up their ass, they prepare something else, there's
always something needs doing in a kitchen, even in a home kitchen... while
yer waiting clean up!

brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> "Pete C." wrote:
> > Terry wrote:
> >>
> >> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
> >> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
> >> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
> >> crap.
> >>
> >> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
> >> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
> >>
> >> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
> >> not the two-beater models.
> >>
> >> Best -- Terry
> >
> > The obvious replacement is the Hobart N-50 if you don't care about the
> > cost.
>
> Most folks do care about paying ten times more.

It's more like 5-6X, not 10X.

>
> > The N-50 is built like a tank,
>
> True.
>
> > like the old Hobart built Kitchenaids.
>
> Not true. The N 50 is built nothing like the old KA.

Of course it is, they were made by the same company, back before the
Kitchenaid division was spun off. They are not exactly the same design
of course, but the point was the quality / durability.

>
> And the N 50 only has a 5 quart capacity, not what the OP is looking for...
> of course we've no idea what he's looking for (I seriously doubt he knows
> himself), he hasn't indicated what capacity or what he intends to mix with
> it... 999 times out of of 1000 the 4.5 quart capacity will be far more than
> enough volume. If the old 4.5 quart KA isn't broken don't fix it.

5qt is slightly larger, and most of the time when someone complains that
the mixer isn't "big enough" in a residential context, they really mean
it bogs down, and they think a bigger bowl = more power. The 5qt N-50
will mix rings around any of the current Kitchenaid crop.

>
> And how often does one really need to mix up a larger batch of anything...
> on those few occasions do what the professionals do, mix up a second batch
> in the same machine....

Exactly.

> if your machine can only knead enough dough for two
> loaves but your oven can only bake two loaves then it's smarter to stagger
> the second batch so while the first batch is baking there's time to make up
> the second two loaves and time for them to rise so that when the first two
> come out the second two are tready to bake. That's how it's done by
> professionals... rather than buying a lot of expensive over-engineered
> equipment they invest in a clock... and while waiting they don't just stand
> around with a finger up their ass, they prepare something else, there's
> always something needs doing in a kitchen, even in a home kitchen... while
> yer waiting clean up!

Yes, but an N-50 is an heirloom mixer that will still be going strong in
2109...

mom peagram wrote:
>
> "phil..c" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Terry wrote:
>>> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
>>> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
>>> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
>>> crap.
>>>
>>> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
>>> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>>>
>>> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
>>> not the two-beater models.
>>>
>>> Best -- Terry
>>
>> Terry we picked up 3 Bear Varimixers 5 litre
>> at a clearing auction a while back for $50.00 each
>>
>> one was pretty well hammered and we thought would need the others for
>> spares.
>>
>> Cant kill the thing it just goes and goes
>> often above 40c heat
>> we use it not in the kitchen but for mixing stock feed
>> supplements.
>> I had never heard or seen the brand before but built like a tank
>>
>> They are commercial obviously but you might sniff out easily over there
>> it has a sticker MOFFAT WINSTON salem NC USA
>>
>> they may assist you perhaps ?
>>
>> these things are TOUGH and I thought were actually made in Oz but it
>> appears not because of that sticker ?
>
> http://www.moffat.com.au/products/Ba...rs/default.asp
>
>

Ours looks like the teddy model obviously older

Thanks for the link LOVE that Mincer add on .
Hmmmmmmmmm Roo & other type sausages

RossÅ› auctions have another catering sale
only place to buy auctions and clearing sales

Pete wrote on Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:36:51 -0500:


> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> "Pete C." wrote:
> >> Terry wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but
> >>> it's a bit small for some of what we do. I thought about
> >>> a new 6 qt but there have been several comments on this
> >>> group about how the new KA are just crap.
> >>>
> >>> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi?
> >>> Cuisinart? Anyone out there who has working knowledge of
> >>> these other brands?
> >>>
> >>> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a
> >>> single beater, not the two-beater models.
> >>>
> >>> Best -- Terry
> >>
> >> The obvious replacement is the Hobart N-50 if you don't
> >> care about the cost.
>>
>> Most folks do care about paying ten times more.

> It's more like 5-6X, not 10X.

> >> The N-50 is built like a tank,
>>
>> True.
>>
> >> like the old Hobart built Kitchenaids.
>>
>> Not true. The N 50 is built nothing like the old KA.

> Of course it is, they were made by the same company, back
> before the Kitchenaid division was spun off. They are not
> exactly the same design of course, but the point was the
> quality / durability.

It is interesting sometimes to see Hobart commercial mixers. They look
just like scaled-up, taller Kitchenaids, even if they don't come in all
the colors (and more) of the rainbow like current Kitchenaids!.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"phil..c" > wrote in message
...
> mom peagram wrote:
>>
>> "phil..c" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Terry wrote:
>>>> Our KA 4.5 qt is about 20 years old; it's been good but it's a bit
>>>> small for some of what we do. I thought about a new 6 qt but there
>>>> have been several comments on this group about how the new KA are just
>>>> crap.
>>>>
>>>> So... if not a KA, what stand mixer? Viking? DeLonghi? Cuisinart?
>>>> Anyone out there who has working knowledge of these other brands?
>>>>
>>>> Only looking at the 'planetary' style mixers that use a single beater,
>>>> not the two-beater models.
>>>>
>>>> Best -- Terry
>>>
>>> Terry we picked up 3 Bear Varimixers 5 litre
>>> at a clearing auction a while back for $50.00 each
>>>
>>> one was pretty well hammered and we thought would need the others for
>>> spares.
>>>
>>> Cant kill the thing it just goes and goes
>>> often above 40c heat
>>> we use it not in the kitchen but for mixing stock feed
>>> supplements.
>>> I had never heard or seen the brand before but built like a tank
>>>
>>> They are commercial obviously but you might sniff out easily over there
>>> it has a sticker MOFFAT WINSTON salem NC USA
>>>
>>> they may assist you perhaps ?
>>>
>>> these things are TOUGH and I thought were actually made in Oz but it
>>> appears not because of that sticker ?
>>
>> http://www.moffat.com.au/products/Ba...rs/default.asp
>>
>>
>
> Ours looks like the teddy model obviously older
>
> Thanks for the link LOVE that Mincer add on .
> Hmmmmmmmmm Roo & other type sausages
>
> RossÅ› auctions have another catering sale
> only place to buy auctions and clearing sales

I have 2 Kenwood Chef mixers 1 in Texas and 1 in Canada. This is as close
as I could find in the US.

http://www.amazon.com/DeLonghi-DSM5-...7577777&sr=1-1

http://tinyurl.com/ce24rv


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