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Christine Dabney > wrote: > For those that are interested: > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/di...b.html?_r=1&hp > > Christine The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the chefs requested the arugula. The term arugula is code in our household for something hopelessly yuppie, or whatever the 2009 equivalent is. Cindy -- C.J. Fuller Delete the obvious to email me |
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On Mar 19, 11:13*pm, Cindy Fuller >
wrote: > In article >, > *Christine Dabney > wrote: > > > For those that are interested: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/di...b.html?_r=1&hp > > > Christine > > The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. *To be fair, the > chefs requested the arugula. * > > The term arugula is code in our household for something hopelessly > yuppie, or whatever the 2009 equivalent is. I was thinking earlier today about how it would be cool to have a t- shirt that said, "Be like Michelle. Plant a Victory Garden." My city is starting one, and I am very much involved from the ground up (pun). I've volunteered to help construct raised beds because I've done it in my own back yard, and I really want to help my community get on the program. To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much better than dried. Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow veggies. > > Cindy > > -- > C.J. Fuller --Bryan |
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Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> I was thinking earlier today about how it would be cool to have a t- > shirt that said, "Be like Michelle. Plant a Victory Garden." My city > is starting one, and I am very much involved from the ground up > (pun). I've volunteered to help construct raised beds because I've > done it in my own back yard, and I really want to help my community > get on the program. > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much > better than dried. Since you enjoy cooking, you will like having fresh rosemary. Herbs seem fairly easy to grow. Go ahead and try a few others, you will be so glad you did. I have herbs planted in the ground, growing in pots and I have a few growing in hanging baskets; chives, parsley, oregano, mint. Becca |
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![]() "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message ... On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > wrote: snip To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much better than dried. Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow veggies. >--Bryan What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from the 60's. Janet |
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> Cindy Fuller > wrote: > The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the > chefs requested the arugula. > Cindy Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
... > In article > > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: >> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of >> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the >> chefs requested the arugula. > >> Cindy > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > -- Someone wearing a bee suit? ![]() Jill |
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:41:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote: >In article > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: >> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of >> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the >> chefs requested the arugula. > >> Cindy > >Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. You need the bees to keep the garden pollinated, especially fruits and berries. Bees won't bother you if you don't bother them. I love to see them in my garden. I would be more concerned about who picks the berries unless they plant thornless varieties. -- Susan N. "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral, 48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy." Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974) |
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![]() "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message ... > In article > > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: >> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of >> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the >> chefs requested the arugula. > >> Cindy > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > -- > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ You only need to keep clear of their flyways (bee highways) and you won't get hit by any bees. Janet |
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On Mar 20, 6:59*am, Becca > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote: > > I was thinking earlier today about how it would be cool to have a t- > > shirt that said, "Be like Michelle. *Plant a Victory Garden." *My city > > is starting one, and I am very much involved from the ground up > > (pun). *I've volunteered to help construct raised beds because I've > > done it in my own back yard, and I really want to help my community > > get on the program. > > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. *The new > > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. *I also > > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. *Fresh rosemary is so much > > better than dried. > > Since you enjoy cooking, you will like having fresh rosemary. *Herbs > seem fairly easy to grow. Go ahead and try a few others, you will be so > glad you did. *I have herbs planted in the ground, growing in pots and I > have a few growing in hanging baskets; chives, parsley, oregano, mint. My wife grows sage, mint, basil, parsley, etc. We're planting catnip for our kitty. Our sweet cherry trees arrived yesterday. We've already got two, but the pollinator for them died. The blackberries should show up soon, Prime Jan and Prime Jim. http://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles...me-Jan2005.pdf I'm setting up a grow light arrangement in my basement to raise seedlings, but I also hope to grow tomatoes year round. > > Becca --Bryan |
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On Mar 20, 7:28*am, "Janet Bostwick" > wrote:
> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message > > ... > On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > > wrote: > snip > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. *The new > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. *I also > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. *Fresh rosemary is so much > better than dried. > > Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow > veggies. > >--Bryan > > What LED grow lights? *I'm still working with the florescent ones from the > 60's. See Ebay: Item number: 180338517106 Also, one of my coworkers is going to give me a couple of fluorescent grow lights that are just taking up space in her garage. > Janet --Bryan |
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![]() Janet Bostwick wrote: > > "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message > ... > On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > > wrote: > snip > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much > better than dried. > > Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow > veggies. > >--Bryan > What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from the > 60's. > Janet LEDs are less efficient than fluorescent lamps too. There is some myth out there that LEDs are more efficient, based probable on the lower typical power consumption for the available units, however the fact is that the lumens per Watt are lower for LEDs than fluorescents. |
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Pete C. wrote:
> Janet Bostwick wrote: >> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message >> ... >> On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > >> wrote: >> snip >> >> To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of >> growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new >> LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, >> especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also >> bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much >> better than dried. >> >> Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow >> veggies. >>> --Bryan >> What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from the >> 60's. >> Janet > > LEDs are less efficient than fluorescent lamps too. There is some myth > out there that LEDs are more efficient, based probable on the lower > typical power consumption for the available units, however the fact is > that the lumens per Watt are lower for LEDs than fluorescents. I've been using fluorescents for years, they're on right now starting veggie plants for our garden. I use a Kitchen and Bath tube with a daylight tube to imitate actual sunlight and it appears to work. Read about it in Organic Gardening years ago. |
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"Janet Bostwick" > wrote: > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > You only need to keep clear of their flyways (bee highways) and you won't > get hit by any bees. > Janet Sure. I hope they do their job in the garden. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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The Cook > wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:41:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' > > wrote: > > >In article > > > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: > >> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > >> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the > >> chefs requested the arugula. > > > >> Cindy > > > >Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > > You need the bees to keep the garden pollinated, especially fruits and > berries. Sure. It's probably a sterile environment right now to keep that grass loookin' good. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote: > Melba's Jammin' > news:barbschaller- > : in rec.food.cooking > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > > Why we are of course! In our tin foil beekeeper's hats ![]() > liked this part of the article: > > " There will be no beets (the president doesn’t like them)" Y'all have > something in common :-) > > Michael I didn't read the story; I've always thought him a man of good taste. My man!! <g> -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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"jmcquown" > wrote: > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > > -- > Someone wearing a bee suit? ![]() > > Jill It oughtta be the kids. (Hey, they make their own beds; they could help with "outside chores, too. <grin>) It builds character. :-) That's what I always told my whiners when I made them scrub pickling cucumbers. Now I wash them in the washing machine with a couple towels. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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![]() "George Shirley" > wrote in message ... > Pete C. wrote: >> Janet Bostwick wrote: >>> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > >>> wrote: >>> snip >>> >>> To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of >>> growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new >>> LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, >>> especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also >>> bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much >>> better than dried. >>> >>> Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow >>> veggies. >>>> --Bryan >>> What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from >>> the >>> 60's. >>> Janet >> >> LEDs are less efficient than fluorescent lamps too. There is some myth >> out there that LEDs are more efficient, based probable on the lower >> typical power consumption for the available units, however the fact is >> that the lumens per Watt are lower for LEDs than fluorescents. > > I've been using fluorescents for years, they're on right now starting > veggie plants for our garden. I use a Kitchen and Bath tube with a > daylight tube to imitate actual sunlight and it appears to work. Read > about it in Organic Gardening years ago. I dropped my subscription to Organic Gardening years ago, so I'm not aware of your configuration. Please explain how Kitchen and Bath tube benefits/differs from the florescent lights. Thanks. Janet |
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On Mar 20, 9:20*am, The Cook > wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:41:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' > > > wrote: > >In article > > > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: > >> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > >> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. *To be fair, the > >> chefs requested the arugula. * > > >> Cindy > > >Beehives? *Huh! *I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > > You need the bees to keep the garden pollinated, especially fruits and > berries. *Bees won't bother you if you don't bother them. *I love to > see them in my garden. *I would be more concerned about who picks the > berries unless they plant thornless varieties. Also, honey bees are fussy. They don't work in strong breezes, they only fly and forage when the temps are between 55 and 85F, and they don't work in the rain or after dark. I wish I belonged to their union<G> maxine in ri |
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![]() "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message ... On Mar 20, 7:28 am, "Janet Bostwick" > wrote: > "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message > > ... > On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > > wrote: > snip > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much > better than dried. > > Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow > veggies. > >--Bryan > > What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from the > 60's. See Ebay: Item number: 180338517106 Also, one of my coworkers is going to give me a couple of fluorescent grow lights that are just taking up space in her garage. > Janet --Bryan Interesting. Thanks Janet |
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On Mar 20, 10:30*am, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Janet Bostwick wrote: > > > "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message > .... > > On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > > > wrote: > > snip > > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. *The new > > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. *I also > > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. *Fresh rosemary is so much > > better than dried. > > > Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow > > veggies. > > >--Bryan > > What LED grow lights? *I'm still working with the florescent ones from the > > 60's. > > Janet > > LEDs are less efficient than fluorescent lamps too. There is some myth > out there that LEDs are more efficient, based probable on the lower > typical power consumption for the available units, however the fact is > that the lumens per Watt are lower for LEDs than fluorescents. But for grow lights they're great. They are more carefully tailored to specific wavelengths. Plus, the cooler operating temperature means you can put them closer, meaning less of the light is wasted into the surrounding environment. Also, some of the newer LEDs are more efficient than fluorescents. http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/s...leID=189501072 http://www.arraylighting.com/product...y_par30_8.html Plus, they last a long, long time, and are dimmable. --Bryan |
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> , Cindy Fuller > wrote: > In article >, > Christine Dabney > wrote: > > > For those that are interested: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/di...b.html?_r=1&hp > > > > Christine > > The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the > chefs requested the arugula. > > The term arugula is code in our household for something hopelessly > yuppie, or whatever the 2009 equivalent is. > > Cindy My mom loved the stuff, and I had a nice patch of it in the herb garden for her as a salad green. Personally, I think it's like Cilantro. Something I cannot even stand the SMELL of! :-p I'm so not a rocket lettuce fan... -- Peace! Om Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain. -- Anon. |
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Becca > wrote: > Bobo Bonobo® wrote: > > I was thinking earlier today about how it would be cool to have a t- > > shirt that said, "Be like Michelle. Plant a Victory Garden." My city > > is starting one, and I am very much involved from the ground up > > (pun). I've volunteered to help construct raised beds because I've > > done it in my own back yard, and I really want to help my community > > get on the program. > > > > To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of > > growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new > > LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, > > especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also > > bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much > > better than dried. > > Since you enjoy cooking, you will like having fresh rosemary. Herbs > seem fairly easy to grow. Go ahead and try a few others, you will be so > glad you did. I have herbs planted in the ground, growing in pots and I > have a few growing in hanging baskets; chives, parsley, oregano, mint. > > > Becca I think basil is one of the biggies. The fresh tastes SO much better and different than dried. -- Peace! Om Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain. -- Anon. |
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Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "George Shirley" > wrote in message > ... >> Pete C. wrote: >>> Janet Bostwick wrote: >>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> On Mar 19, 11:13 pm, Cindy Fuller > >>>> wrote: >>>> snip >>>> >>>> To tell the truth, I've never been great at gardening, but the idea of >>>> growing my own food has always been darned near an obsession. The new >>>> LED grow lights offer the promise of practical basement gardening, >>>> especially raising tomatoes and chiles for future transplant. I also >>>> bought a rosemary plant for my garden. Fresh rosemary is so much >>>> better than dried. >>>> >>>> Michelle, you rock, and I hope you can inspire people to grow >>>> veggies. >>>>> --Bryan >>>> What LED grow lights? I'm still working with the florescent ones from >>>> the >>>> 60's. >>>> Janet >>> LEDs are less efficient than fluorescent lamps too. There is some myth >>> out there that LEDs are more efficient, based probable on the lower >>> typical power consumption for the available units, however the fact is >>> that the lumens per Watt are lower for LEDs than fluorescents. >> I've been using fluorescents for years, they're on right now starting >> veggie plants for our garden. I use a Kitchen and Bath tube with a >> daylight tube to imitate actual sunlight and it appears to work. Read >> about it in Organic Gardening years ago. > I dropped my subscription to Organic Gardening years ago, so I'm not aware > of your configuration. Please explain how Kitchen and Bath tube > benefits/differs from the florescent lights. Thanks. > Janet > > It's the combination of the two Janet, a Kitchen and bath tube combined with a daylight tube. Neither contains all the components of real sunshine but the two together do. At least that was the theory and it has worked for me better than just two daylight tubes. I tried that one year to get some real data on which was best. The plants under the K&B plus daylight tubes, grew quicker and more robust than those under the plain daylight tubes. In addition neither type of tube costs very much whereas the so-called grow-light tubes are fairly expensive, or were when I was shopping for them some time ago. |
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maxine wrote:
> On Mar 20, 9:20 am, The Cook > wrote: >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:41:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' >> >> > wrote: >>> In article >>> > >>> Cindy Fuller > wrote: >>>> The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of >>>> beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the >>>> chefs requested the arugula. >>>> Cindy >>> Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. >> You need the bees to keep the garden pollinated, especially fruits and >> berries. Bees won't bother you if you don't bother them. I love to >> see them in my garden. I would be more concerned about who picks the >> berries unless they plant thornless varieties. > > Also, honey bees are fussy. They don't work in strong breezes, they > only fly and forage when the temps are between 55 and 85F, and they > don't work in the rain or after dark. > > I wish I belonged to their union<G> > > maxine in ri We have orchard mason bee blocks around the garden area, they are native to this continent whereas honey bees are European in origin. Plus they are not susceptible to the diseases that have been killing off honey bee hives the last ten years. There are several places to buy the dormant mason bees and their houses on the web. Little buggers work in about any kind of weather excepting hurricanes. Plus they don't sting at all. |
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![]() "George Shirley" > wrote in message .. . > Janet Bostwick wrote: >> "George Shirley" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Pete C. wrote: snip >>> I've been using fluorescents for years, they're on right now starting >>> veggie plants for our garden. I use a Kitchen and Bath tube with a >>> daylight tube to imitate actual sunlight and it appears to work. Read >>> about it in Organic Gardening years ago. >> I dropped my subscription to Organic Gardening years ago, so I'm not >> aware of your configuration. Please explain how Kitchen and Bath tube >> benefits/differs from the florescent lights. Thanks. >> Janet > It's the combination of the two Janet, a Kitchen and bath tube combined > with a daylight tube. Neither contains all the components of real sunshine > but the two together do. At least that was the theory and it has worked > for me better than just two daylight tubes. I tried that one year to get > some real data on which was best. The plants under the K&B plus daylight > tubes, grew quicker and more robust than those under the plain daylight > tubes. > > In addition neither type of tube costs very much whereas the so-called > grow-light tubes are fairly expensive, or were when I was shopping for > them some time ago. Thanks for the info, George. I'll investigate further. My setup uses two florescent and 3 regular 40-watt bulbs. Janet |
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![]() Melba's Jammin' wrote: > In article > > > Cindy Fuller > wrote: > > The Washington Post article says there will be berries, a couple of > > beehives, and vegetables including (gasp!) arugula. To be fair, the > > chefs requested the arugula. > > > Cindy > > Beehives? Huh! I wonder who's going to weed the garden. > Michelle Obama's mother, natcherly! That lady is *one* tough cookie, she *runs* that White House and believe me *nothing* gets by her...those puny bees will be all a-scared of her and be on their *best* behavior... Seriously, I love Michelle's mother, she is no - nonsense and a part of the Obama's success can be attributed to her. We need more moms and grandmas like her... -- Best Greg |
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> wrote: > > It builds character. :-) That's what I always told my whiners when I made them scrub pickling >cucumbers. Now I wash them in the washing machine with a couple towels. How do you wash cucumbers in the washing machine? Thanks! Tara |
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Tara wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:52:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' > > wrote: > > >> It builds character. :-) That's what I always told my whiners when I made them scrub pickling >> cucumbers. Now I wash them in the washing machine with a couple towels. >> > > > How do you wash cucumbers in the washing machine? > > Thanks! > Tara My mother washed turnip greens, mustard greens and collard greens in the washing machine. When I was a kid, I thought that was strange. lol Becca |
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Becca wrote:
> Tara wrote: > >> On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:52:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' >> > wrote: >> >> >> >>> It builds character. :-) That's what I always told my whiners >>> when I made them scrub pickling cucumbers. Now I wash them in the >>> washing machine with a couple towels. >>> >> >> >> >> How do you wash cucumbers in the washing machine? >> Thanks! >> Tara > > > > My mother washed turnip greens, mustard greens and collard greens in the > washing machine. When I was a kid, I thought that was strange. lol It works well to get rid of the sand, on gentle, and as long as it doesn't go through the spin cycle. Unless you *only* want the stems. |
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Tara > wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:52:32 -0500, Melba's Jammin' > > wrote: > > > > > It builds character. :-) That's what I always told my whiners when I > > made them scrub pickling > >cucumbers. Now I wash them in the washing machine with a couple towels. > > > How do you wash cucumbers in the washing machine? > > Thanks! > Tara Put them in the washing machine, fill it with water and a couple terry towels, maybe a drop of detergent, and run the gentle cycle (wash and rinse). Remove cucumbers from machine and proceed with the recipe. I've done it for years. My kids ask why I didn't do it when they were little and I tell them it's because I had them to do it! <grin> I've got pictures somewhere. . . -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - pot pie "What you say about someone else says more about you than it does about the other person." |
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