In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote on Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:26:56 -0600:
>
> >> The Cook wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Tinnitis sucks. I don't have it really bad, but sleeping
> > >>> with a fan running on low helps.
> > >>
> > >> It frequently means you have lost hearing in the range
> > >> where you hear the sounds. There was an article in the
> > >> Winston Salem Journal 2 days ago about it. I was also told
> > >> the same thing by otolaryngologist when I went for a
> > >> hearing exam a couple of weeks ago. I will see if I
> > >> can find a copy of the article online.
> >>
> >> There was a thread about it here not too long ago, and
> >> someone suggested a link to caffiene. I have had a bit of a
> >> problem with it on and off. A few days ago I had a lot of
> >> coffee in the morning, and I had constant ringing for the
> >> next 24 hours. thank goodness it has subsided.
>
> > Salycilates will make mine much worse.
> > I cannot take Aspirin.
>
> I take 80mg of aspirin (one "baby aspirin") on the advice of my
> cardiologist every day without any noticeable effect.

Not everybody is intolerant to Aspirin babe. ;-)
I just happen to be one of the lucky ones...

Even Pepto Bismol gives me tinnitis.
It also has a Salycilate compound in it.

<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...e&aq=1s&oq=sal
ycila>
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

On 26 Mar 2009 19:19:00 GMT, Wim van Bemmel >
wrote:

>Quality wine comes in bottles, and once open they need to be emptied the
>same day. The next day you may cook with it, at most.
>The daily drink comes in a "bag in box" as we call it in France, where I
>live. They still look strange at me if I ask a "sac en boite". That keeps
>for some weeks, since no air comes in contact with the wine. There are
>qualities in bags, though. The best are those that look silvery.

In the US, there are many bottled and corked wines that taste far
worse than the boxed stuff. Advertising sold consumers on the concept
of "if it is in a bottle and has a cork, it's good". Now they have to
undo it because some of the best wines come with a screw cap now.
Screw caps were a marker of bad wine before the wine-in-a-box concept
was invented. It's only a matter of time until some high priced
winery decides wine in a box is the way to go and it will start at the
restaurant "by the glass" level where they can hide the package and
still sell the wine.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:10:34 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>I kind of doubt that a small injection of nitrogen would do even as much
>as a vacuum pump.

I was never impressed with a vacuum pump.

>Given that nitrogen is slightly less dense than air,
>you'd probably have to bubble nitrogen thro' your wine for quite a time
>to have much effect. Now argon, being quite a bit denser, might work but
>it's got to be more costly. Carbon dioxide would perhaps work too but
>I'd think you would be able to taste it, unlike nitrogen and argon.

I haven't ever used that stuff personally. I don't even remember what
it is (if I ever knew) I just remember it wasn't cheap. I bought
some from a winery in the Paso Robles wine area and gave it to my
future son-in-law. Future SIL was appreciative. He deals in
collectable wine and he doesn't drink the profit. Wheew.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:29:01 -0700, "Theron" >
wrote:

>We use a product called "Private Reserve". You spray the nitrogen blanket
>onto the
>remaining wine in the bottle, and immediately recork firmly. This will keep
>a wine
>from oxidizing for at least a month, and possibly longer. I have a fair
>store of very old
>Bordeaux and Burgundies, all very sensitive to any more oxidation that
>they've already
>had from aging, and I haven't had any problem. I don't think a vacuum pump
>applied to a half full
>bottle will remove enough oxygen, especially for a very old red wine.

You're a collector who drinks what he collects? Future SIL has
clients who do that. I couldn't. My tastes are rather plebeian.
Maybe if I had more money to burn, my taste in fine wine would include
an increase in what I'm willing to pay for it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:47:08 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:59:37 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:56:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:42:35 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Christian Brothers, sure as hell, is cooking wine!
>>>
>>>Christian Brothers is still around? I haven't seen CB in years! When
>>>I was in my 20's it was *branded* and sold by the glass at an upscale
>>>French restaurant I ate at every now and then (for a treat) on my
>>>lunch hour.
>>
>> I forgot to say.... the poor quality of wine (shipping ruins it) is
>> why I turn to the hard stuff when I'm out of California and I order
>> French wine over California wine when I'm on the East Coast.
>
>isn't france farther away from the east coast than california?
>

What's your point? I said that CA wine tastes horrible when I order
it out of CA. I don't have to be on the E. Coast to not like it.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:29:01 -0700, "Theron" >
> wrote:
>
>>We use a product called "Private Reserve". You spray the nitrogen blanket
>>onto the
>>remaining wine in the bottle, and immediately recork firmly. This will
>>keep
>>a wine
>>from oxidizing for at least a month, and possibly longer. I have a fair
>>store of very old
>>Bordeaux and Burgundies, all very sensitive to any more oxidation that
>>they've already
>>had from aging, and I haven't had any problem. I don't think a vacuum pump
>>applied to a half full
>>bottle will remove enough oxygen, especially for a very old red wine.
>
> You're a collector who drinks what he collects? Future SIL has
> clients who do that. I couldn't. My tastes are rather plebeian.
> Maybe if I had more money to burn, my taste in fine wine would include
> an increase in what I'm willing to pay for it.
>
>
I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to $500/bottle.
We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the 1970
1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.

Ed

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:52 -0700, "Theron" >
wrote:

>I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to $500/bottle.
>We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
>+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the 1970
>1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.

You're so far out of my range of appreciation, I can't even begin to
tell you. Price is the huge stopper for me. I've experienced too
many very expensive wines that I didn't think much of. Not saying
they were bad, just saying I could have enjoyed a $20-30 bottle just
as much.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

sf wrote:

> I was never impressed with a vacuum pump.

Sheldon keeps one on his nightstand.

Bob, COMPLETELY out of context

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:52 -0700, "Theron" >
> wrote:
>
>>I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to
>>$500/bottle.
>>We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
>>+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the 1970
>>1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.
>
> You're so far out of my range of appreciation, I can't even begin to
> tell you. Price is the huge stopper for me. I've experienced too
> many very expensive wines that I didn't think much of. Not saying
> they were bad, just saying I could have enjoyed a $20-30 bottle just
> as much.
>
>
I no longer buy new wines because of their price. Certainly no wines of that
caliber. I agree with your comment about $20-30 bottles of wine. About 1974,
or so there was a well publicized article in the popular press about a blind
tasting which included top rated 1st and 2nd growth Bordeaux and 1970 Robert
Mondavi. The Robert Mondavi wine won the tasting. Years ago I did this at
home with a few 1970 Bordeaux and I felt the same. I'm certain that today a
carefully chosen cabernet from the right vintner and the right vintage would
compare as favorably.

Ed

sf wrote on Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:45:05 -0700:

>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:59:37 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:56:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:42:35 GMT, "James Silverton"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Brothers, sure as hell, is cooking wine!
>>>>
>>>> Christian Brothers is still around? I haven't seen CB in
>>>> years! When I was in my 20's it was *branded* and sold by
>>>> the glass at an upscale French restaurant I ate at every
>>>> now and then (for a treat) on my lunch hour.
>>>
>>> I forgot to say.... the poor quality of wine (shipping ruins
>>> it) is why I turn to the hard stuff when I'm out of
>>> California and I order French wine over California wine when
>>> I'm on the East Coast.
>>
>> isn't france farther away from the east coast than
>> california?
>>
> What's your point? I said that CA wine tastes horrible when I
> order it out of CA. I don't have to be on the E. Coast to not
> like it.

Gosh, the old cliches! CA wine is inferior, the "Judgement of Paris"
never happened. Some wines "don't travel" or some shippers are not much
good.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:06:13 -0400, The Cook wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:53:00 -0400, The Cook >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>It frequently means you have lost hearing in the range where you hear
>>the sounds. There was an article in the Winston Salem Journal 2 days
>>ago about it. I was also told the same thing by otolaryngologist when
>>I went for a hearing exam a couple of weeks ago. I will see if I can
>>find a copy of the article online.
>
> Here is the link
> http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingt... eterans+Hear

there was also a (somewhat lengthy) article recently in *the new yorker*:

<http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/02/09/090209fa_fact_groopman>

the author, jerome groopman, is a sufferer.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:19:40 -0700, sf wrote:

> On 26 Mar 2009 19:19:00 GMT, Wim van Bemmel >
> wrote:
>
>>Quality wine comes in bottles, and once open they need to be emptied the
>>same day. The next day you may cook with it, at most. The daily drink
>>comes in a "bag in box" as we call it in France, where I live. They
>>still look strange at me if I ask a "sac en boite". That keeps for some
>>weeks, since no air comes in contact with the wine. There are qualities
>>in bags, though. The best are those that look silvery.
>
> In the US, there are many bottled and corked wines that taste far worse
> than the boxed stuff. Advertising sold consumers on the concept of "if
> it is in a bottle and has a cork, it's good". Now they have to undo it
> because some of the best wines come with a screw cap now. Screw caps
> were a marker of bad wine before the wine-in-a-box concept was invented.
> It's only a matter of time until some high priced winery decides wine
> in a box is the way to go and it will start at the restaurant "by the
> glass" level where they can hide the package and still sell the wine.

The last thing is what happens now. The house wine, sold by pichet, comes
from a box.
As I live in Côtes du Rhône area, house wines use to be good. With good
wines all around, rubbish does not sell.

--
Groet, salut, Wim.

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:04:02 -0700, "Theron" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:52 -0700, "Theron" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to
>>>$500/bottle.
>>>We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
>>>+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the 1970
>>>1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.
>>
>> You're so far out of my range of appreciation, I can't even begin to
>> tell you. Price is the huge stopper for me. I've experienced too
>> many very expensive wines that I didn't think much of. Not saying
>> they were bad, just saying I could have enjoyed a $20-30 bottle just
>> as much.
>>
>>
>I no longer buy new wines because of their price. Certainly no wines of that
>caliber. I agree with your comment about $20-30 bottles of wine. About 1974,
>or so there was a well publicized article in the popular press about a blind
>tasting which included top rated 1st and 2nd growth Bordeaux and 1970 Robert
>Mondavi. The Robert Mondavi wine won the tasting. Years ago I did this at
>home with a few 1970 Bordeaux and I felt the same. I'm certain that today a
>carefully chosen cabernet from the right vintner and the right vintage would
>compare as favorably.
>
You're certainly right about Mondavi, it's a high quality "drink
today" wine. As far as carefully choosing wines to judge against "the
French", it's been done and CA won. I don't remember where the
judging took place, but it was somewhere in the US.

I wonder how the same wines would have fared with the same judges
judging them in Europe?


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:43:29 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> sf wrote on Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:45:05 -0700:
>
>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:59:37 -0700, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:56:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:42:35 GMT, "James Silverton"
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian Brothers, sure as hell, is cooking wine!
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian Brothers is still around? I haven't seen CB in
>>>>> years! When I was in my 20's it was *branded* and sold by
>>>>> the glass at an upscale French restaurant I ate at every
>>>>> now and then (for a treat) on my lunch hour.
>>>>
>>>> I forgot to say.... the poor quality of wine (shipping ruins
>>>> it) is why I turn to the hard stuff when I'm out of
>>>> California and I order French wine over California wine when
>>>> I'm on the East Coast.
>>>
>>> isn't france farther away from the east coast than
>>> california?
>>>
>> What's your point? I said that CA wine tastes horrible when I
>> order it out of CA. I don't have to be on the E. Coast to not
>> like it.
>
>Gosh, the old cliches! CA wine is inferior, the "Judgement of Paris"
>never happened. Some wines "don't travel" or some shippers are not much
>good.

I did not use cliches. I spoke from experience. You and Blake are on
the *East Coast*. Do you (James) actually prefer CA wine over French
or are you just arguing for the halibut?

I prefer CA wines when I'm here in the state. Many shippers don't
treat CA wines the way wine they should be treated. That doesn't mean
CA wine doesn't travel well. It means they were abused when they
traveled. Call me crazy, but I think wine should not be treated as if
it was bottled water, soda pop or beer.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Mark Thorson wrote:
> I only use it to make coffee,
> and I haven't done that since late October/early
> November. Still got the tinnitus, though it's
> better now.

Hmm... Are you saying there's a (strong) correlation?
I haven't heard/read that. I'd hate to give up my coffee, but I may have
to consider it.

Dave

On 27 Mar 2009 16:49:56 GMT, Wim van Bemmel >
wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:19:40 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On 26 Mar 2009 19:19:00 GMT, Wim van Bemmel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Quality wine comes in bottles, and once open they need to be emptied the
>>>same day. The next day you may cook with it, at most. The daily drink
>>>comes in a "bag in box" as we call it in France, where I live. They
>>>still look strange at me if I ask a "sac en boite". That keeps for some
>>>weeks, since no air comes in contact with the wine. There are qualities
>>>in bags, though. The best are those that look silvery.
>>
>> In the US, there are many bottled and corked wines that taste far worse
>> than the boxed stuff. Advertising sold consumers on the concept of "if
>> it is in a bottle and has a cork, it's good". Now they have to undo it
>> because some of the best wines come with a screw cap now. Screw caps
>> were a marker of bad wine before the wine-in-a-box concept was invented.
>> It's only a matter of time until some high priced winery decides wine
>> in a box is the way to go and it will start at the restaurant "by the
>> glass" level where they can hide the package and still sell the wine.
>
>The last thing is what happens now. The house wine, sold by pichet, comes
>from a box.
>As I live in Côtes du Rhône area, house wines use to be good. With good
>wines all around, rubbish does not sell.

I concur. It's not that much more expensive for a restaurant to buy a
25 liter box of Inglenook (a decent drink today wine) to sell by the
glass than it is to buy a gallon of rut gut in a jug that goes bad
(the sellers can't tell and obviously don't care) in a few days.

However, I meant our expensive wines - like Opus 1, Caymus, Chateau
Montelena, etc.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 03:04:02 -0700, "Theron" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:52 -0700, "Theron" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to
>>>>$500/bottle.
>>>>We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
>>>>+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the
>>>>1970
>>>>1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.
>>>
>>> You're so far out of my range of appreciation, I can't even begin to
>>> tell you. Price is the huge stopper for me. I've experienced too
>>> many very expensive wines that I didn't think much of. Not saying
>>> they were bad, just saying I could have enjoyed a $20-30 bottle just
>>> as much.
>>>
>>>
>>I no longer buy new wines because of their price. Certainly no wines of
>>that
>>caliber. I agree with your comment about $20-30 bottles of wine. About
>>1974,
>>or so there was a well publicized article in the popular press about a
>>blind
>>tasting which included top rated 1st and 2nd growth Bordeaux and 1970
>>Robert
>>Mondavi. The Robert Mondavi wine won the tasting. Years ago I did this at
>>home with a few 1970 Bordeaux and I felt the same. I'm certain that today
>>a
>>carefully chosen cabernet from the right vintner and the right vintage
>>would
>>compare as favorably.
>>
> You're certainly right about Mondavi, it's a high quality "drink
> today" wine. As far as carefully choosing wines to judge against "the
> French", it's been done and CA won. I don't remember where the
> judging took place, but it was somewhere in the US.
>
> I wonder how the same wines would have fared with the same judges
> judging them in Europe?
>
>
I think it was done in London. I don't think it was done in the US. The
British, in the 19th century, owned much of
the classified Bordeaux, particularly in St. Julian. The British have always
been the great claret connoisseurs.
The results would not have been any different in the U.S. as I think about
it. This would have been the consensus
of a blind tasting group, where the wines were all bagged. I was in a
serious blind tasting group at one time and the country
of origin would never have been an issue with any of us. This was always
true of the tasting results reported in the
wine newsletters and the popular press.

Ed

sf wrote on Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:32:12 -0700:

> I did not use cliches. I spoke from experience. You and
> Blake are on the *East Coast*. Do you (James) actually prefer
> CA wine over French or are you just arguing for the halibut?

> I prefer CA wines when I'm here in the state. Many shippers
> don't treat CA wines the way wine they should be treated.
> That doesn't mean CA wine doesn't travel well. It means they
> were abused when they traveled. Call me crazy, but I think
> wine should not be treated as if it was bottled water, soda
> pop or beer.

I do not make generalizations about wine origins and do not consider any
country "better" than another except that places like Britain seem to
have some way to go and some wineries in the state of Virginia have
delusions of grandeur. Really superb wines are made in California,
Italy, Australia, France, Germany, etc. but I don't consider that I
have to go to those places to drink them.. New Zealand is producing
white wines and some Pinot Noirs that compete with the rest of the world
and unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever get to NZ. Even my county
liquor store sells wines that have been shipped and stored properly.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

sf wrote:
> You're certainly right about Mondavi, it's a high quality "drink
> today" wine. As far as carefully choosing wines to judge against "the
> French", it's been done and CA won. I don't remember where the
> judging took place, but it was somewhere in the US.
>
> I wonder how the same wines would have fared with the same judges
> judging them in Europe?
>
>

I read something about that, and how upset the judges were in France
when the Ca. wines won. Iirc they argued, rather petulantly, for a 'do
over' but as the tasting was well publicized it had to stand.

However, many places do and just about any place can produce very good
wines, the french for all their blather about 'Liberte, Egalite,
Fraternite' get very picky about the produce of France, be it wine or
anything else.

I once got into a rather heated argument with a Frenchman who was
insulted when i referred to the Mona Lisa as an Italian painting.

I tried to point out to him that it was essentially stolen by a French
king but there was no convincing him. Unfortunately this was before the
days of the internet and as we were "talking" on a beach there were no
reference works within easy reach... plus �a change, plus c'est la meme
chose.
--
JL

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:56:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:42:35 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>Christian Brothers, sure as hell, is cooking wine!
>>
>>Christian Brothers is still around? I haven't seen CB in years! When
>>I was in my 20's it was *branded* and sold by the glass at an upscale
>>French restaurant I ate at every now and then (for a treat) on my
>>lunch hour.
>
> I forgot to say.... the poor quality of wine (shipping ruins it) is
> why I turn to the hard stuff when I'm out of California and I order
> French wine over California wine when I'm on the East Coast.
>
>
I'm afraid, my friend, that the Bordeaux taste exactly the same in
California as they
do in France, and vice versa. That's also true of the more delicate French
wines, like
Beaujolais. You would potentially have a problem shipping an old wine, with
a fragile
cork, and more ullage than a new bottle. One might be a bit worried about
that.
The consigners, selling old cellars, do ship around the country.

Ed

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:06:18 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

> sf wrote on Sat, 28 Mar 2009 00:32:12 -0700:
>
>> I prefer CA wines when I'm here in the state. Many shippers
>> don't treat CA wines the way wine they should be treated.
>> That doesn't mean CA wine doesn't travel well. It means they
>> were abused when they traveled. Call me crazy, but I think
>> wine should not be treated as if it was bottled water, soda
>> pop or beer.
>
>I do not make generalizations about wine origins and do not consider any
>country "better" than another except that places like Britain seem to
>have some way to go and some wineries in the state of Virginia have
>delusions of grandeur. Really superb wines are made in California,
>Italy, Australia, France, Germany, etc. but I don't consider that I
>have to go to those places to drink them. New Zealand is producing
>white wines and some Pinot Noirs that compete with the rest of the world
>and unfortunately, I don't think I'll ever get to NZ.

Oh, good grief. You haven't had the problem of trying to get a friend
in another state to enjoy a wine you enjoy at home, buying it (hunting
for it way too long and paying way too much, btw) then discovering
it's a totally different wine that you wouldn't touch with a ten foot
pole at home.

I've found most wine does not taste good when I leave the state and
order it by the glass, so I just switch to hard liquor now and save my
energy for something else that annoys me.... like coffee. I can't
stand that dirty dishwater swill most of the country calls coffee. Or
the continuing saga of Eggs Benedict (MOM! DON'T order the Eggs
Benedict, you know you're not going to like it and send it back).

> Even my county
>liquor store sells wines that have been shipped and stored properly.

Good for them and great for you!


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

"Dave Bell" > wrote in message
...
> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> I only use it to make coffee,
>> and I haven't done that since late October/early
>> November. Still got the tinnitus, though it's
>> better now.
>
> Hmm... Are you saying there's a (strong) correlation?
> I haven't heard/read that. I'd hate to give up my coffee, but I may have
> to consider it.
>
> Dave

Of the above references the only article in an accepted medical journal is
the one by Meyerhoff in the "Laryngoscope".
He says: "Most of these patients will, however, benefit from consultation
and avoidance of caffeine". This is only a non substantiated
opinion by one ENT physician.. I've never met an ENT man who would agree
with that statement. I don't think any would suggest stopping coffee
intake to prevent tinnitus. There hasn't even been a retrospective
questionnaire type study asking a large series of patients if they
"thought" their tinnitus was related to caffeine intake, compared to non
coffee drinkers that had the same symptom.
That doesn't mean a patient can't walk in and say coffee intake is related
to their tinnitus. I'm sure some do feel it does. Tinnitus is almost always
related to hearing loss, loss very frequently caused by noise exposure, but
loss from any cause.

Ed


Meyerhoff WL, Mickey BE.
Department of Otorhinolaryngology, University of Texas Southwestern Medical
Center, Dallas 75235-9035.

An estimated 40 million Americans suffer from tinnitus, and approximately
20% of these sufferers feel that the quality of their life is significantly
impaired by this symptom. Despite thorough evaluation, the underlying
etiology in the majority of these patients remains obscure or conjectural.
Most of these patients will, however, benefit from consultation and
avoidance of caffeine, nicotine, and salt, while others require biofeedback,
amplification, masking, and even psychotherapy. On rare occasions,
physicians are presented with a patient complaining of unilateral tinnitus
of undetermined etiology who, in spite of a thorough evaluation and all
conventional therapies, continues to be severely handicapped by that
symptom. Early findings suggest that these patients may be suffering from
vascular loop compression of the cochlear division of the eighth cranial
nerve. When patients are carefully selected, retrosigmoid decompression of
that vascular loop has provided gratifying relief.

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 10:13:44 -0700, "Theron" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:56:32 -0700, sf > wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:42:35 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Christian Brothers, sure as hell, is cooking wine!
>>>
>>>Christian Brothers is still around? I haven't seen CB in years! When
>>>I was in my 20's it was *branded* and sold by the glass at an upscale
>>>French restaurant I ate at every now and then (for a treat) on my
>>>lunch hour.
>>
>> I forgot to say.... the poor quality of wine (shipping ruins it) is
>> why I turn to the hard stuff when I'm out of California and I order
>> French wine over California wine when I'm on the East Coast.
>>
>>
>I'm afraid, my friend, that the Bordeaux taste exactly the same in
>California as they
>do in France, and vice versa. That's also true of the more delicate French
>wines, like
>Beaujolais.

Correction, I wasn't saying French wine tasted horrible out here.
Maybe CA wineries who ship to France take better care of their wines.
I dunno. In any case, the last thing I'd order in France is a CA
wine. I live in CA.

>You would potentially have a problem shipping an old wine, with
>a fragile
>cork, and more ullage than a new bottle. One might be a bit worried about
>that.
>The consigners, selling old cellars, do ship around the country.
>
I understand. Future son in law is in the collectable wine business.


--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Dave Bell wrote:
>
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > I only use it to make coffee,
> > and I haven't done that since late October/early
> > November. Still got the tinnitus, though it's
> > better now.
>
> Hmm... Are you saying there's a (strong) correlation?
> I haven't heard/read that. I'd hate to give up my coffee, but I may have
> to consider it.

It's pretty well connected in my experience.
Even a short period of high coffee consumption
can get it started, and then it can take months
of no coffee to make it go away. Once it's gone,
I can tolerate up to about one cup of coffee per
day without getting tinnitus.

On Sat, 28 Mar 2009 09:51:12 -0700, Theron wrote:
>>
> I think it was done in London. I don't think it was done in the US. The
> British, in the 19th century, owned much of
> the classified Bordeaux, particularly in St. Julian. The British have always
> been the great claret connoisseurs.
> The results would not have been any different in the U.S. as I think about
> it. This would have been the consensus
> of a blind tasting group, where the wines were all bagged. I was in a
> serious blind tasting group at one time and the country
> of origin would never have been an issue with any of us. This was always
> true of the tasting results reported in the
> wine newsletters and the popular press.
>
> Ed
>

as far as i know, any 'serious' tasting is done blind. it's been the
practice for many years.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:29:01 -0700, "Theron" >
> wrote:
>
> >We use a product called "Private Reserve". You spray the nitrogen blanket
> >onto the
> >remaining wine in the bottle, and immediately recork firmly. This will keep
> >a wine
> >from oxidizing for at least a month, and possibly longer. I have a fair
> >store of very old
> >Bordeaux and Burgundies, all very sensitive to any more oxidation that
> >they've already
> >had from aging, and I haven't had any problem. I don't think a vacuum pump
> >applied to a half full
> >bottle will remove enough oxygen, especially for a very old red wine.
>
> You're a collector who drinks what he collects? Future SIL has
> clients who do that. I couldn't. My tastes are rather plebeian.
> Maybe if I had more money to burn, my taste in fine wine would include
> an increase in what I'm willing to pay for it.

I know EXACTLY what you mean!

Some of my current favorites include Beringer and The Little Penguin
from California and Australia.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 23:02:52 -0700, "Theron" >
> wrote:
>
> >I remember, several years ago, that 1970 Chateau Latour rose to $500/bottle.
> >We drank a bottle the next night! Now some vintages of Latour are in the
> >+$2000 range. There's a point where you might sell. Nonetheless, the 1970
> >1st and 2nd growths are pretty spectacular.
>
> You're so far out of my range of appreciation, I can't even begin to
> tell you. Price is the huge stopper for me. I've experienced too
> many very expensive wines that I didn't think much of. Not saying
> they were bad, just saying I could have enjoyed a $20-30 bottle just
> as much.

And I could have enjoyed an $8.00 to $12.00 bottle just as much!
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> sf wrote:
>
> > I was never impressed with a vacuum pump.
>
> Sheldon keeps one on his nightstand.
>
> Bob, COMPLETELY out of context

I'm betting he uses Viagra or Cialis.
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Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> You're certainly right about Mondavi, it's a high quality "drink
> today" wine. As far as carefully choosing wines to judge against "the
> French", it's been done and CA won. I don't remember where the
> judging took place, but it was somewhere in the US.

I've not seen that brand. What does it usually cost?
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Omelet > wrote:

> Mark Thorson > wrote:

>> Omelet wrote:

>> > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
>> > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.

>> What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
>> a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.

>It's hell on the digestive system, and often packed with pesticides.

Yeah you don't want to drink other than organic coffee. Same
applies to milk, beef, chicken or pork. Between the pesticides,
the hormones and the antibiotics you become a walking science
experiment.

Steve

In article >,
Dave Bell > wrote:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > I only use it to make coffee,
> > and I haven't done that since late October/early
> > November. Still got the tinnitus, though it's
> > better now.
>
> Hmm... Are you saying there's a (strong) correlation?
> I haven't heard/read that. I'd hate to give up my coffee, but I may have
> to consider it.
>
> Dave

Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.

I've no regrets.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> I've found most wine does not taste good when I leave the state and
> order it by the glass, so I just switch to hard liquor now and save my
> energy for something else that annoys me.... like coffee.

<lol> I can empathize with that!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

On Mar 29, 2:56*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
> > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. *I gave it up about 17
> > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.
>
> What's unhealthful about it? *It has been linked to
> a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.
>
> The only unhealthful aspect I am aware of is the
> raising of cholesterol levels if you drink a lot
> of unfiltered coffee. *The two compounds which
> cause this effect are absorbed efficiently by
> paper filters, so this is only a risk if you
> drink espresso or use a French press.

I agree completely except there is one other negative side effect.
Coffee (caffiene) exacerbates GERD (reflux).
>
> Neurol Res. 2007 Jan;29(1):91-5.
> Alzheimer's disease and coffee: a quantitative review.
> Barranco Quintana JL, Allam MF, Serrano Del Castillo A,
> Fernandez-Crehuet Navajas R.
> Department of Preventive Medicine and Public Health,
> Faculty of Medicine, University of Cordoba, Cordoba,
> Spain.
>
> PURPOSE: To estimate the pooled risk of coffee
> consumption for Alzheimer's disease (AD).
>
> MATERIAL AND METHODS: We have reviewed all observational
> studies that evaluated the association between AD risk
> and coffee consumption. Four studies were identified:
> two case-control studies and two cohorts. These studies
> were carried out between 1990 and 2002.
>
> RESULTS: There was an obvious protective effect of
> coffee consumption in the pooled estimate [risk
> estimate: 0.73 (95% confidence interval: 0.58-0.92)].
> However, the homogeneity test was highly significant
> (p<0.01), indicating heterogeneity across the pooled
> studies. Pooled analysis applying the random effect model
> wasn 0.79 with 95% confidence interval overlapping unity
> (95% confidence interval: 0.46-1.36). Three studies
> assessed coffee consumption by interview questionnaire.
> The risk of AD in coffee consumers versus non-consumers
> in studies that used interview questionnaire had a
> pooled risk estimate of 0.70 with 95% confidence
> interval 0.55-0.90.
>
> CONCLUSION: Although our pooled estimates show that
> coffee consumption is inversely associated with the
> risk of AD, the four studies had heterogeneous
> methodologies and results. Further prospective studies
> evaluating the association between coffee consumption
> and AD are strongly needed.

Coffee makes people smarter.

--Bryan

Omelet wrote:
>
> Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
> years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.

What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.

The only unhealthful aspect I am aware of is the
raising of cholesterol levels if you drink a lot
of unfiltered coffee. The two compounds which
cause this effect are absorbed efficiently by
paper filters, so this is only a risk if you
drink espresso or use a French press.


Neurol Res. 2007 Jan;29(1):91-5.
Alzheimer's disease and coffee: a quantitative review.
Barranco Quintana JL, Allam MF, Serrano Del Castillo A,
Fernandez-Crehuet Navajas R.
Department of Preventive Medicine and Public Health,
Faculty of Medicine, University of Cordoba, Cordoba,
Spain.

PURPOSE: To estimate the pooled risk of coffee
consumption for Alzheimer's disease (AD).

MATERIAL AND METHODS: We have reviewed all observational
studies that evaluated the association between AD risk
and coffee consumption. Four studies were identified:
two case-control studies and two cohorts. These studies
were carried out between 1990 and 2002.

RESULTS: There was an obvious protective effect of
coffee consumption in the pooled estimate [risk
estimate: 0.73 (95% confidence interval: 0.58-0.92)].
However, the homogeneity test was highly significant
(p<0.01), indicating heterogeneity across the pooled
studies. Pooled analysis applying the random effect model
wasn 0.79 with 95% confidence interval overlapping unity
(95% confidence interval: 0.46-1.36). Three studies
assessed coffee consumption by interview questionnaire.
The risk of AD in coffee consumers versus non-consumers
in studies that used interview questionnaire had a
pooled risk estimate of 0.70 with 95% confidence
interval 0.55-0.90.

CONCLUSION: Although our pooled estimates show that
coffee consumption is inversely associated with the
risk of AD, the four studies had heterogeneous
methodologies and results. Further prospective studies
evaluating the association between coffee consumption
and AD are strongly needed.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
> > You're certainly right about Mondavi, it's a high quality "drink
> > today" wine. As far as carefully choosing wines to judge against "the
> > French", it's been done and CA won. I don't remember where the
> > judging took place, but it was somewhere in the US.
>
> I've not seen that brand. What does it usually cost?

Could be referring to Woodbridge, which was the last winery
started by Robert Mondavi. Their wines are inexpensive,
and yet a very good value. I'm trying to remember the
wine they make I really like. I think it's white zinfandel,
which is actually pink in color and fizzy, though not so
fizzy as to be called a sparkling wine, nor to have one
of those little wire cages over the cork. As I recall,
not all white zinfandels (or whatever wine I'm trying to
remember) are fizzy.

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> >
> > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
> > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.
>
> What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
> a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.

It's hell on the digestive system, and often packed with pesticides.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Omelet wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
> > > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.
> >
> > What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
> > a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.
>
> It's hell on the digestive system, and often packed with pesticides.

Got any evidence for that? Most insecticides are
organic chemicals which would be driven off during
roasting.

On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:16:24 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>
>> Omelet > wrote:
>>
>> > Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>
>> >> Omelet wrote:
>>
>> >> > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
>> >> > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.
>>
>> >> What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
>> >> a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.
>>
>> >It's hell on the digestive system, and often packed with pesticides.
>>
>> Yeah you don't want to drink other than organic coffee. Same
>> applies to milk, beef, chicken or pork. Between the pesticides,
>> the hormones and the antibiotics you become a walking science
>> experiment.
>>
>> Steve
>
>I followed the advice of my gasrtoenterologist.
>
>He was right. Next time I tried to drink coffee, I started experiencing
>the same problems I'd paid him for to help me in the first place.
>
>Coffee is poison. At least for ME.
>
>Sorry.


I have been drinking coffee for 65 years with no ill effects. But I
do not assume that everyone else is like me.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

Theron > wrote:

> I no longer buy new wines because of their price. Certainly no wines of that
> caliber. I agree with your comment about $20-30 bottles of wine. About 1974,
> or so there was a well publicized article in the popular press about a blind
> tasting which included top rated 1st and 2nd growth Bordeaux and 1970 Robert
> Mondavi. The Robert Mondavi wine won the tasting. Years ago I did this at
> home with a few 1970 Bordeaux and I felt the same. I'm certain that today a
> carefully chosen cabernet from the right vintner and the right vintage would
> compare as favorably.

I remember reports of that tasting well, because it was organised by
Steven Spurrier, an Englishman and one of my favourite wine merchants in
Paris, whose little wine shop was on a little side street just off rue
Royale, and from whom I bought more than a couple of cases of wine in
the years long past. The tasting took place in 1976, in Paris, and the
winning wines were 1973 Stag's Leap Cabernet Sauvignon and 1973 Chateau
Montelena Chardonnay.

Victor

In article >,
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> Omelet > wrote:
>
> > Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> >> Omelet wrote:
>
> >> > Sorry, but coffee is a very unhealthy habit. I gave it up about 17
> >> > years ago after drinking a good 1/2 pot per day.
>
> >> What's unhealthful about it? It has been linked to
> >> a lower incidence of Alzheimer's disease.
>
> >It's hell on the digestive system, and often packed with pesticides.
>
> Yeah you don't want to drink other than organic coffee. Same
> applies to milk, beef, chicken or pork. Between the pesticides,
> the hormones and the antibiotics you become a walking science
> experiment.
>
> Steve

I followed the advice of my gasrtoenterologist.

He was right. Next time I tried to drink coffee, I started experiencing
the same problems I'd paid him for to help me in the first place.

Coffee is poison. At least for ME.

Sorry.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.