"Mark Thorson" wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to park
>> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
>> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
>> needing them would have equal opportunity.
>
> Not to mention those of us who have gout
> on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
> past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders
> are usually the dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)


The breeders are almost always young and haven't a thing wrong with them
except that those who think breeding in of itself entititles them to any
special parking consideration are LAZY and STUPID. Most of them did their
breeding in the back seat of a car anyway, parked miles from nowhere down a
long and lonely road... how come they didn't need any special placcard to
get knocked up, eh? And the ONLY reason they got knocked up is because
those gals think swallowing is yikky... guys don't care which orifice and in
fact prefer the upper... and ain't that the truth! If guys had their way
there'd be no birth control problem, or population explosion... guys are
happy with a puppy, a beer, the remote, and a BJ. The reason most gals get
prego is to trap some poor putz into supporting them... cuz they sure ain't
going through turning their nubile bodies into a schmoo with saggy udders,
getting a meter wide butt, stretch marks even GPS can't navigate, cellulite
more dimpled than brisket, birthing pain makin' em wish they were lezbo,
stinkin' pampers enough to clog the Suez canal, no more than two hours sleep
out of every 24 (and they no sooner close their eyes then the unbathed clod
they hooked is crawlin on to check her oil), all that and lots more grief
till their dying breath just to get a handicapped placcard. LOL

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 11:08:19 -0400, KW wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
>> And any parent who can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in
>> someones care while they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't
>> thrust our inadaquacies and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer
>> gonads surgically excised. Has nothing to do with marketing (what an
>> ignoranus rationalization), has all to do with discrimination... will it
>> never end?
>
> But the truth is, you DO thrust your inadequacies and ineptitude on everyone
> in this newsgroup on a daily basis Shellygurl. Would it make you feel better
> if we gave you a "preferred poster" space right up front?

one thing for sure, no one else would be caught dead posting in that space.
eeew!

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:39:05 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> And who in their right mind would pubicly post under the *lishpy* name
> "Keith"... that's a frootloop name, belongs in a closet, on a hanger! <G>
>
> Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . . .

more homosexual dread. come out of the closet, sheldon, it's almost legal
now.

blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:48:48 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> There's nothing abnormal about children except in your mind and others
>> similarly feeble minded. Unless one has a truly handicapped child in tow
>> they can damn well park like everyone else... for the amount of folks I see
>> shopping with children half the spots would need to be designated for those
>> with infants and todlers... with even a hundred toddler spots in front of
>> Walmart there'd be armed warfare over who parks where. And any parent who
>> can't manage their rug rats can damn well leave them in someones care while
>> they shop instead of thrusting them on us who don't thrust our inadaquacies
>> and ineptitudes on all of yoose... or get yer gonads surgically excised.
>> Has nothing to do with marketing (what an ignoranus rationalization), has
>> all to do with discrimination... will it never end? To normal folks with
>> normal children designated toddler parking would be viewed as extremely
>> offensive, shouts you're an UNFIT parent! I want "Parasite Parking" for the
>> non productive, in Siberia. You suck it up.
>
> A local woman was complaining that she cannot get a handicapped parking
> permit. There is nothing wrong with her, but she has a kid with
> behaviour problems. She is concerned about him getting loose between the
> car and the stores. There was nothing in her rant about multiple kids,
> just the one. I have to wonder how much more trouble she would have with
> her one unruly child than other parents would have with a brood of them.
> Heaven forbid that she not take the kid in public until he learns to
> behave. I have to confess that there were times in my childhood that I
> was not allowed to go somewhere because I had been acting up.

i understand what you are saying, but there are many parents of autistic
spectrum kids that would strenuously disagree. not everyone is in a
position that babysitters are easily available.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 20:09:40 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> If the kid truly has psychological behavoral issues all the parent need do
> is get a psychological evaluation and if the psychiatrist's findings
> indicate a handicap then a parking sticker will be issued. Problem is
> parents are ascared it's them who will be discovered are psychologically
> imbalanced, not the kid, and a psychiatrist can easily have the DMV pull the
> drivers licence and then recommend social services place the kid in foster
> care.

you are a ****ing one-man paranoia festival. i can see why you don't seek
the help you so obviously need.

blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 16:43:38 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
> I've never been to a Starputz. In fact it's extremely rare I've ordered
> coffee out, I think the last time was when I lived in CA and met friends for
> brunch at the Beverly Hills Hilton... even their coffee sucked... and at the
> time ran like $10 a tiny cup (that was like 1965).

according to an online inflation calculator, that would be $67.36. yeah, i
totally believe that.

blake

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>
> Let's face it. Traditional adult restaurants are not suitable for
> children. Adults want to sit around, talk and enjoy their food. Kids
> want to fill their stomachs and get on with the playing. There are
> notable exceptions.

Quite so. Of course we don't take a 5 year old to 'adult' restaurants.
That would be indeed be a stupid thing to do, not only for the other
patrons but ourselves too. However, I have a distinct advantage over
quite a few other parents, I suspect... i.e. my first born (FB) is 21
years older than my second born. If we want to go to an adult
restaurant FB is more than willing to babysit - and we take him up on
it on the odd occasion. We do have quite a few family restaurants
around here that welcome children. We take her to those, and still get
to enjoy our food and some conversation too (usually over the weekend
around lunch time or into the afternoon - because she has to be in bed
by 8pm).

>
> My wife and I went camping when she was 7 months pregnant with our
> first. The ranger gave her a funny look and had a little talk with
> her
> before we left for an easy ranger hike. It got a little difficult
> when
> the ranger got lost, but she did OK. She worked up until the day she
> went into labor. She didn't need a special space then. But I've
> known lots of women who were perfectly healthy before and after
> pregancy, but had a pregnancy-related condition, or another condition
> that was made worse by pregnancy, and really needed special parking.

There ya go.

>> Somehow, I don't think I needed to have a placard when I was 8 months
>> pregnant. It was pretty obvious to most onlookers...
>
> That's silly. 8 months pregnant, person in wheelchair; yeah, that's
> obvious. They go in the store, leaving a vehicle with no placard.
> Police officer sees said car with no person anywhere near, and writes
> ticket.

Heh. If a cop is bored enough to write me up a parking ticket for
parking my car in a designated pregnant mom parking space (which, BTW
is still up for debate about whether the aforementioned parking spaces
are on private property or not) s/he is welcome to do so. I'll just
take the ticket and then waddle into the nearest relevant department,
slap the ticket down in front of the poor unsuspecting person on duty
behind the desk, yell and s/he for a couple of minutes and then have it
voided. Simple as that.

But wait! (you may say). What if I've 'popped' the baby before I get a
chance to contest the ticket? Heh. I'll take the baby along (plus some
form of ID, plus the birth certificate - which will prove beyond a
shadow of a doubt that I was indeed pregnant on the date in question)
do some yelling at the poor unsuspecting person on duty behind the
desk - and still get the ticket voided <veg>

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article 0>,
Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> >> There is serious parental negligence in discipline and training today,

> > Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
> > there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children

> Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up. For
> lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times. Things
> were much different than when I was growing up.

That one has been on the books, documented, for at least a couple of
thousand years. It's the refrain of the old people (and I'm 59, so
you'll hear it from me sometimes).

> >> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
> >> park beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get
> >> to the store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces,
> >> everyone needing them would have equal opportunity.
> >
> > I dunno where you shop, but where I shop the pregnancy spaces are
> > usually close to the Baby-R-Us type of stores (right next to the
> > disabled parking spaces).

> Not so where I live. Supermarkets, and even some of our big box stores
> have these spaces and they are closer to the entrances than the disabled
> spaces.

As a parenthetical comment, I've never seen pregnancy or "parent with
kids" myself. I had never even heard of them until this week.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:43:36 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> I'm quite sure that I'm in the minority and don't mind admitting it. At
> the same time, I think you may be missing my point. I have nothing against
> a pregnant woman parking close to the store, and I would consider their
> pregnancy to be a temporary disability. I suggest that that they should
> obtain a temporary disability placard and vie for the legal legitimate
> disability spaces like anyone else that's disabled. I still see absolutely
> no reason for specificd spaces dedicated for this purpose.

just as a technical point he handicapped spaces are most often designed
so that a *wheelchair* can be placed next to the car with a reasonable
amount of room for a passenger (or for hardy types, the driver) to be able
to make the transfer from car to chair and then maneuver without banging
into the car adjacent . they are usually near a curb cut so that the
wheelchair user can get into the store. around here, that's typically one,
two or (rarely) three spaces. that said, i'm not so sure that people who
have difficulty walking should be using those spots 'like anyone else who
is disabled.' their requirements are a little different. so maybe the
'pregnant' (do they have 'elderly'?) spots aren't such a bad idea.

now that i think about it, the signs i see designating the handicapped
spots usually have a stylized drawing of a person in a wheelchair on them.

<http://www.vernonhills.org/UserFiles/Image/Police_Images/handicapped.jpg>

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to park
>> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
>> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
>> needing them would have equal opportunity.
>
> Not to mention those of us who have gout
> on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
> past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders
> are usually the dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)

'breeders'? are you ***, too?

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:37:20 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

>
> Heh. I remember getting pulled over by a traffic cop when I was heavily
> pregnant with the kidlette. (They do that periodically here to check if
> your car is licensed and that you have a valid drivers license).
> Anyway... the cop asked for my drivers license, but I had left my
> handbag (purse?) in the trunk of the car and my license was in it. I
> told him this and started to unfasten my seatbelt and attempt to
> wriggle out of my seat. At this point he was close enough to see my
> condition through the window. He just smiled at me and said, "It's OK,
> lady. Not to worry. Good luck with the new baby". Now I suppose you
> think that's 'favoritism' too?
>>

hmmph. pregnant ladies get away with this kinda shit all the time. i
suppose you showed a little leg as well?

your pal,
blake

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>> And may you be reincarnated in your next life as the babysitter who
>>> has to take care of them while I go shopping.
>>
>> <laugh> Would be my pleasure. I happen to like children.
>>>
>>> Never had kids, never wanted kids, and I do my best to avoid them at
>>> any opportunity.
>>>
>> Yep, you've made that pretty clear. However, if your Mom had felt the
>> same way, you wouldn't be here, now would you?
>>
>> I think it's safe to say that you're in the minority when it comes to
>> not wanting kids - just look at the world population. And IMHO, getting
>> annoyed about a few parking spaces offered to pregnant Moms and/or
>> parents with children by the various stores/supermarkets is only going
>> to raise your blood pressure - it's not going to make the
>> stores 'reallocate' them. As Boron pointed out somewhere else in this
>> thread, the stores do it to 'keep their clientele happy'. It is indeed
>> an added incentive to shop there - which seems to work.
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> Exactly. Those designated parking spots have nothing at all to do with
> child safety or looking out for the health and well-being of mom-to-be.
> As was pointed out by another poster earlier, it's all about target
> marketing--don't fool yourself if you think there is any other reason.
> Who's going to spend more on groceries in a year? Older single male or
> mom with three growing kids and a husband? I'm not a mom to three kids
> (just one infant), but if I were and I had to choose between store A with
> a cushy parking spot up front or store B where I may have to walk farther,
> in inclement weather, with three kids in tow, uphill both ways, store A
> gets my business hands down (prices being more or less equal). Stork
> parking at Babies R Us? Duh. Which customer is spending the most money
> there? The soon to be new mom that needs the crib, the stroller, the car
> seat, the diaper stockpile--all for a total of hundreds if not thousands
> of dollars. It's a no brainer. I would (and did) gladly spend a little
> more money there for the convenience than fighting the parking lots at
> Target for big bulky purchases. I have seen the mommy parking at one
> local grocery store here in the past, but I don't shop there anymore so
> I've never used it. I am curious to know if the spots are any wider than
> regular non-handicapped spots. Nothing is more frustrating than coming
> back to your car with an infant seat in tow and having some jackass parked
> so close you can't get your door open wide enough to get the baby seat in.
> It's happened to me more than enough times to be far more aggravating than
> having to walk an extra lazyass 20 feet into the store. Sure, you may
> have left *me* enough space to get in, but what am I supposed to do with
> the baby? Leave her on the ground behind your vehicle while I back out
> far enough to get my passenger door open? Wait for you to lollygag back
> to your car and move it? You definitely deserved the door ding I gave
> you.
>
> Jinx
>
Good for you! I'm a very precise driver, I center my car up in a spot with
micrometer precision. But I can't count how many times when I return some
blind ******* parked all the way over in their spot to my side that I could
barely walk between to get my key in let alone open the door enough to get
me in. Usta be easy back when cars had bench seats... but now it's a bitch
getting into a car from the passenger side, what with those humongous center
consoles... wtf do vehicles need center consoles the size of a steamer
trunk, literally a pain in the butt, well the hip... those seat belt
fasteners stand up stiff as my dick did fifty years ago when I was sixteen.
And why does the center console have to be six inches higher than the seat,
can't even push that latch over so I don't get black and blues on my hip
everytime I'd make a left. A couple weeks ago I went out looking at new
pick up trucks... didja know that the full size Ford p/u front drivers seat
is only 18" inches wide, I checked with a tape measure. I'm not that big
yet I could barely shoehorn my ass into that seat that is actually like
sitting in a wooden produce crate... how do those big beefy butt building
contractor guys fit comfortably into today's pickups. My Landcruiser is a
much smaller vehicle overall, especially width, yet its drivers seat width
measures 21" (3" extra may not seem like much but it's a lot, yoose gals all
know that (tawkin' wide hips here, get yer minds on topic lol), and the
center console is nearly the same height, and the seat belt latch is
practically faccid. It's no wonder folks ain't buying US vehicles, their
engineers need stringing up. Imagine, skinny assed Orientals are building
wider seats than fat ass Americans. I checked Chevy and Chrysler too, same
skinny seats, and so much crap bulging out from the inner door panel there's
no place to put yer knee... imagine driving hours having to keep my knees
together like a girl... and yoose all know I got a pair makes that
anatomically impossible. LOL

On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 06:19:15 -0700 (PDT), maxine wrote:

> On Apr 2, 3:37*am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
>> Heh. I remember getting pulled over by a traffic cop when I was heavily
>> pregnant with the kidlette. (They do that periodically here to check if
>> your car is licensed and that you have a valid drivers license).
>> Anyway... the cop asked for my drivers license, but I had left my
>> handbag (purse?) in the trunk of the car and my license was in it. I
>> told him this and started to unfasten my seatbelt and attempt to
>> wriggle out of my seat. At this point he was close enough to see my
>> condition through the window. He just smiled at me and said, "It's OK,
>> lady. Not to worry. Good luck with the new baby". Now I suppose you
>> think that's 'favoritism' too?
>
> Absolutely! Police tend to be drawn from a fairly traditional male
> role model, one that sees women as the weaker sex. If a young woman
> bats her eyelashes and starts to tear up, the cops will generally let
> her off with a verbal warning. It help if you are polite, and
> submissive in your dealings with them. As I told my neighborhood
> hooligans, when the cops stop you, "sir" them to death and they'll
> leave you alone (unless they catch you in the act.)
>
> Life isn't fair, so take all the advantages you can<G>.
>
> maxine in ri

i know a woman in her semi-golden years who positively *revels* in doing
the 'little old lady' act when necessary. since she's not an asshole in
any respect, i wouldn't dream of criticizing her for it.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> "Jinx Minx" >
> : in rec.food.cooking

> > Because secondhand smoke is a serious health issue.
>
> That is the traditional response. It does not address my question. Of
> course people know that secondhand smoke is a health issue. If an owner
> wants to make his retail bar establishment all smoking, and caters to his
> customers as the supermarkets do, according to Boron (and she's right),
> the individuals owning their own "private" establishments should be
> entitled to do the same thing. Non smokers can enter at their own risk.
> Now can you explain to me why this is not possible in most areas of the
> US?

California does not allow smoking in most bars. The customers have
nothing to do with it. As you say, they can choose another bar. It is
a work place hazard. Only bars with no employees are *allowed* to have
smoking in the bar. If the owner is the sole person working in the bar,
they *may* allow smoking.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:04:25 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
>
>>
>> Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
>> there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children
>> when in public too. Just because I have children doesn't make me think
>> they can do as they please and cause a disturbance either. In fact, we
>> all but stopped dining out anywhere until our kidlette was old enough
>> to 'behave herself' and not annoy the other restaurant patrons. Same
>> goes when I take her shopping with me. If she doesn't behave herself in
>> the supermarket she hears all about it (which is not that often, but it
>> has happened).
>
> Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up. For
> lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times. Things
> were much different than when I was growing up.
>

i would think you would thank god for that. how many openly *** people did
you know when you were growing up?

your pal,
blake

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:17:05a, Dan Abel told us...

> In article 0>,
> Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
>>
>> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> >> There is serious parental negligence in discipline and training
>> >> today,
>
>> > Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
>> > there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children
>
>> Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up.
>> For lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times.
>> Things were much different than when I was growing up.
>
> That one has been on the books, documented, for at least a couple of
> thousand years. It's the refrain of the old people (and I'm 59, so
> you'll hear it from me sometimes).

You're quite right, Dan. I'm 64, but I've saying that for more than a
decade, probably longer.

>> >> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
>> >> park beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get
>> >> to the store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces,
>> >> everyone needing them would have equal opportunity.
>> >
>> > I dunno where you shop, but where I shop the pregnancy spaces are
>> > usually close to the Baby-R-Us type of stores (right next to the
>> > disabled parking spaces).
>
>> Not so where I live. Supermarkets, and even some of our big box stores
>> have these spaces and they are closer to the entrances than the
>> disabled spaces.
>
> As a parenthetical comment, I've never seen pregnancy or "parent with
> kids" myself. I had never even heard of them until this week.

It may be georgraphical or population related. From what I could garner,
Petaluma has a population of 50-60 thousand, whereas my suburb of Mesa has
a population of roughly 500 thousand. I'm sure the culture of sheer
numbers could be an influence on these issues.

What remains of my relatives live in a southern community of less than 30
thousand. I know they have handicapped parking, and being a sleepy genteel
southern community, they also have "senior citizen parking", but I doubt
they have any other kind of dedicated parking spaces.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:25:25a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:43:36 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> I'm quite sure that I'm in the minority and don't mind admitting it.
>> At the same time, I think you may be missing my point. I have nothing
>> against a pregnant woman parking close to the store, and I would
>> consider their pregnancy to be a temporary disability. I suggest that
>> that they should obtain a temporary disability placard and vie for the
>> legal legitimate disability spaces like anyone else that's disabled. I
>> still see absolutely no reason for specificd spaces dedicated for this
>> purpose.
>
> just as a technical point he handicapped spaces are most often
> designed so that a *wheelchair* can be placed next to the car with a
> reasonable amount of room for a passenger (or for hardy types, the
> driver) to be able to make the transfer from car to chair and then
> maneuver without banging into the car adjacent . they are usually near
> a curb cut so that the wheelchair user can get into the store. around
> here, that's typically one, two or (rarely) three spaces. that said,
> i'm not so sure that people who have difficulty walking should be using
> those spots 'like anyone else who is disabled.' their requirements are
> a little different. so maybe the 'pregnant' (do they have 'elderly'?)
> spots aren't such a bad idea.
>
> now that i think about it, the signs i see designating the handicapped
> spots usually have a stylized drawing of a person in a wheelchair on
> them.
>
> <http://www.vernonhills.org/UserFiles...andicapped.jpg
> >
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Blake, many of our handicapped spots are quite a bit larger and are
specifically designated as "van accessible" so that a wheelchair lift from
inside a van can be accommodated. A very smart idea in my opinion.
Sometimes these spaces are perpendicular to the other spaces.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:54:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
>>
>> Exactly. Those designated parking spots have nothing at all to do with
>> child safety or looking out for the health and well-being of mom-to-be.
>> As was pointed out by another poster earlier, it's all about target
>> marketing--don't fool yourself if you think there is any other reason.
>> Who's going to spend more on groceries in a year? Older single male or
>> mom with three growing kids and a husband?
>
> Which is more likely to buy the high profit steaks and prepared foods and
> six pack of high priced specialty beer?

both of you have hit the crux of the biscuit from different directions.
some marketing consultant has determined that these spaces (other than
handicapped spaces apparently required by statute) increase profits. it
ain't some kind of altruism.

but you can take comfort in the fact that the consultants' jobs may be the
first to go in these times of tight money.

your pal,
blake

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:26:22a, blake murphy told us...

> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
park
>>> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
>>> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
>>> needing them would have equal opportunity.
>>
>> Not to mention those of us who have gout
>> on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
>> past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders are usually the
>> dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)
>
> 'breeders'? are you ***, too?
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Many couples, self-described as DINCs, also refer to couples with numerous
small children as breeders. The term is not restricted for use by those of
us who happen to be ***.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:59:32 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>>> As Boron pointed out somewhere else in this
>>> thread, the stores do it to 'keep their clientele happy'. It is
>>> indeed an added incentive to shop there - which seems to work.
>>
>> Maybe not.
>
> Well, I can see you wouldn't be interested in the 'pregnant women'
> parking spaces, being a guy an' all... ;-)
>
> But seriously, I am fairly sure these stores don't just allocate parking
> spaces for pregnant women and/or parents with children because they
> are 'nice people'. IMO, they do it because it obviously benefits their
> profits in some way.
>
>> I sometimes go to a store that is my second choice for
>> food selection, but they have better parking than the one with the
>> special spaces. Business lost.
>
> Better parking? How so?

obviously because they don't give waddling pregos a leg up. survival of
the fittest, baby!

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 1 Apr 2009 23:40:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>
>> Doctors already give their MD license number on the application, always
>> have. I doubt CT will succeed in such stupidity, no politician is going
>> to jeapardize their political career second guessing MDs... I mean most
>> small town politicians only have a High School diploma, maybe only a GED.
>> Handicap stickers aren't permanent anyway.... initially doctors usually
>> give a six month provisional and thereafter the term in most states is for
>> three years, and can be withdrawn at any time. I've no idea why anyone
>> would want to deny someone handicapped parking, that just demonstrates
>> extreme ignorance, I mean like the most extreme ignorance possible, we're
>> talkin' Pinhead City here.
>
> CT issues permits with an expiration date (determined by the doctor) or a
> permanent permit. At one time they gave you two. The problem is not
> denial, but abuse. When granny passes on, the kids grab the placard to use
> instead of turning it back in. Lack of control is the problem and that
> leads to abuse. I've never seen anyone actually check the names on the
> placard. They are numbered and have to be signed. The state though, has no
> idea how many are still valid and how many are expired but still used.
>

every jurisdiction that i know of has stiff sanctions for those using an
expired hanger, or using one when the designee is not in the car. i have
to apply in person periodically to retain mine, even though it's pretty
obvious my legs are not growing back.

blake

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:39:13a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:04:25 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
>>
>>>
>>> Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
>>> there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children
>>> when in public too. Just because I have children doesn't make me think
>>> they can do as they please and cause a disturbance either. In fact, we
>>> all but stopped dining out anywhere until our kidlette was old enough
>>> to 'behave herself' and not annoy the other restaurant patrons. Same
>>> goes when I take her shopping with me. If she doesn't behave herself in
>>> the supermarket she hears all about it (which is not that often, but it
>>> has happened).
>>
>> Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up. For
>> lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times.
Things
>> were much different than when I was growing up.
>>
>
> i would think you would thank god for that. how many openly *** people
did
> you know when you were growing up?
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Some things yes, other things not so much.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:58:27a, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:59:32 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>>>> As Boron pointed out somewhere else in this
>>>> thread, the stores do it to 'keep their clientele happy'. It is indeed
>>>> an added incentive to shop there - which seems to work.
>>>
>>> Maybe not.
>>
>> Well, I can see you wouldn't be interested in the 'pregnant women'
>> parking spaces, being a guy an' all... ;-)
>>
>> But seriously, I am fairly sure these stores don't just allocate parking
>> spaces for pregnant women and/or parents with children because they
>> are 'nice people'. IMO, they do it because it obviously benefits their
>> profits in some way.
>>
>>> I sometimes go to a store that is my second choice for
>>> food selection, but they have better parking than the one with the
>>> special spaces. Business lost.
>>
>> Better parking? How so?
>
> obviously because they don't give waddling pregos a leg up. survival of
> the fittest, baby!
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Amen and LOL!

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:44:24 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> I just recalled that years ago the Navy Commissary in Norfolk and the
> Army Commissary in Washington, D.C. had signs at the checkout lines that
> gave head of the line privileges to handicapped & pregnant shoppers.
>
> I never saw a pregnant shopper claim that privilege, nor did I.

my grocery has handicapped lines, but that's mostly a check-writing
platform that swivels out to a wheelchair level. being able to butt in
line i haven't ever seen.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:39:50 -0700, sf wrote:

> On 02 Apr 2009 12:37:34 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>>
>>Hmmm... I don't *think* the Dierbergs and Schnucks in my area has them.
>>I'll have to take a look next time I'm at either store, which will
>>probably be today. I need some food in the house because I've been gone
>>the past day and a half. I don't even know why I feel strongly about
>>this issue. I park at the back of the lot and walk anyway. I don't like
>>all those shopping dingys on my car.
>>
> Hey, a car isn't properly broken in unless it got a ding on all four
> doors within the first month!

i don't know about all four doors, but i thought that after the first ding
you could finally relax.

your pal,
blake

On 02 Apr 2009 12:51:28 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Boron Elgar >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>>
>> Private facilities are entitled to offer customer incentives. Period.
>> Their couponing, cash or discount rewards, special sales, additional
>> hours to take advantage of sales, etc, are part of their business
>> plans to encourage some segment of their customers and potential
>> customers with convenience and benefits.
>
> I couldn't agree more but why are some "private facilities" allowed to
> offer customer incentives and conveniences etc. and others are not? The
> first thing to come to mind is a private business owner, wanting to cater
> to his customer and allow smoking in his neighborhood bar?
>

i'm with you there, bro. nothing more pitiful than seeing adults huddled
outside a saloon smoking cigarettes. it's worse than high school. at
least then (practically speaking) you could smoke in the boys' room where
it was warm.

your pal,
blake

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:06:08p, blake murphy told us...

> every jurisdiction that i know of has stiff sanctions for those using an
> expired hanger, or using one when the designee is not in the car. i have
> to apply in person periodically to retain mine, even though it's pretty
> obvious my legs are not growing back.
>
> blake

In AZ, at least, if you request a handicapped license plate instead of or
in addition to a hanging placard, the status of the license plate does not
expire and only the stickers need to be renewed for taxes. The placards
have an expiration period which, I believe, is either 3 or 5 years.



--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:14:01p, blake murphy told us...

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 07:39:50 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On 02 Apr 2009 12:37:34 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\"" >
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hmmm... I don't *think* the Dierbergs and Schnucks in my area has them.
>>> I'll have to take a look next time I'm at either store, which will
>>>probably be today. I need some food in the house because I've been
>>>gone the past day and a half. I don't even know why I feel strongly
>>>about this issue. I park at the back of the lot and walk anyway. I
>>>don't like all those shopping dingys on my car.
>>>
>> Hey, a car isn't properly broken in unless it got a ding on all four
>> doors within the first month!
>
> i don't know about all four doors, but i thought that after the first
> ding you could finally relax.
>
> your pal,
> blake
>

Neither of our 2007 model cars has a ding anywhere. As far as parking,
when we feel the need to use the handicapped spaces we do, and they are
large enough to prevent dings. Otherwise, we park well away from other
cars. So far neither car has been hit by a wayward cart. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

> Good for you! I'm a very precise driver, I center my car up in a spot
> with micrometer precision. But I can't count how many times when I return
> some blind ******* parked all the way over in their spot to my side that I
> could barely walk between to get my key in let alone open the door enough
> to get me in. Usta be easy back when cars had bench seats... but now it's
> a bitch getting into a car from the passenger side, what with those
> humongous center consoles... wtf do vehicles need center consoles the size
> of a steamer trunk, literally a pain in the butt, well the hip... those
> seat belt fasteners stand up stiff as my dick did fifty years ago when I
> was sixteen. And why does the center console have to be six inches higher
> than the seat, can't even push that latch over so I don't get black and
> blues on my hip everytime I'd make a left. A couple weeks ago I went out
> looking at new pick up trucks... didja know that the full size Ford p/u
> front drivers seat is only 18" inches wide, I checked with a tape measure.
> I'm not that big yet I could barely shoehorn my ass into that seat that is
> actually like sitting in a wooden produce crate... how do those big beefy
> butt building contractor guys fit comfortably into today's pickups. My
> Landcruiser is a much smaller vehicle overall, especially width, yet its
> drivers seat width measures 21" (3" extra may not seem like much but it's
> a lot, yoose gals all know that (tawkin' wide hips here, get yer minds on
> topic lol), and the center console is nearly the same height, and the seat
> belt latch is practically faccid. It's no wonder folks ain't buying US
> vehicles, their engineers need stringing up. Imagine, skinny assed
> Orientals are building wider seats than fat ass Americans. I checked
> Chevy and Chrysler too, same skinny seats, and so much crap bulging out
> from the inner door panel there's no place to put yer knee... imagine
> driving hours having to keep my knees together like a girl... and yoose
> all know I got a pair makes that anatomically impossible. LOL
>

You'll have to check out Subaru. A friend of mine likes them because they
have "big butt seats".

Jinx

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Neither of our 2007 model cars has a ding anywhere. As far as
> parking, when we feel the need to use the handicapped spaces we do,
> and they are
> large enough to prevent dings.

OK. Can't believe what I'm seeing here. Are you saying that you are
actually entitled to park in a handicapped parking space?

If so, why have you been whining about people parking in pregnant
mom/family parking spaces when it can't possibly make any difference to
you personally?

If not, then WTF do you think you have that makes *you* so special that
you can park in a handicapped space anytime it's convenient?

Good grief.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:43:43p, ChattyCathy told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Neither of our 2007 model cars has a ding anywhere. As far as
>> parking, when we feel the need to use the handicapped spaces we do,
>> and they are large enough to prevent dings.
>
> OK. Can't believe what I'm seeing here. Are you saying that you are
> actually entitled to park in a handicapped parking space?

In a word, yes.

> If so, why have you been whining about people parking in pregnant
> mom/family parking spaces when it can't possibly make any difference to
> you personally?

I don't believe they should be different.

> If not, then WTF do you think you have that makes *you* so special that
> you can park in a handicapped space anytime it's convenient?

Already answered.

> Good grief.

Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I am.



--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

"ChattyCathy" wrote:
>
> Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
> piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
> age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
> spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
> to do so.
>

You wrote "for a myriad of reasons", which is acceptible.
But *for myriad reasons* is more suave and urbane and also lubricious...
confers what you have to say with more credibility, and most importantly
doesn't grate on my, um sensitive parts.

Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking heads
say sua-vey. eeeeiaa

Sorry, I'm in a nitpicky mood today.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >>
> >> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to park
> >> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
> >> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
> >> needing them would have equal opportunity.
> >
> > Not to mention those of us who have gout
> > on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
> > past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders
> > are usually the dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)
>
> 'breeders'? are you ***, too?

No, blake. You'll have to hit on somebody else.

Jinx Minx wrote:
>
> You'll have to check out Subaru. A friend of mine likes them because
> they have "big butt seats".

Somewhere, there's a Subaru designer that deserves a raise
and promotion. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to pick
him or her out of a crowd.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking heads
> say sua-vey. eeeeiaa

They make reference to 90's Latino-rapper Geraldo's hit "Rico Suave."
Sorry to inform you that you ain't dope.

>
> Sorry, I'm in a nitpicky mood today.
>
>
>

"Jinx Minx" wrot:

> I could lodge the same complaint about seniors thinking they deserve
> special discounts just for being old. Sure, they may not have full time
> income any more, but that in no way means they have less money to spend.
> They can pay full price just like me.

I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
seniors have the most disposable income. What irks me is Ladies Night at
bars, men don't get a free booze night... and very few if any of those
female boozers are ladies.

On Apr 2, 10:53*am, "Jinx Minx" > wrote:

> Yes, but do you really think those "special" spaces will be open when said
> waitress, mailman, arthritic goes to shop? *No, they'll just be filled by
> someone else--maybe a healthy, athletic guy in running shorts, or the newly
> licensed teenager. *Everybody wants to score "the good spot", which is quite
> evident by witnessing cars drive round and round the parking lot like a
> vulture waiting for a fresh kill.

Went to the hospital today with this convo in mind. Started at the
back of the parking lot, and slowly cruised until I found a space
(visitor/patient parking), the only space, in the second row near the
door. As I pulled in, I noticed one cattycorner to mine that was in
the first row, even closer.

When you want to walk, there's no spaces at the end of the lot<g>.

maxine in ri

On Apr 2, 11:02*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> maxine wrote:
> > Absolutely! *Police tend to be drawn from a fairly traditional male
> > role model, one that sees women as the weaker sex.
>
> I think perhaps you are about 20-30 years behind the times. There was a
> time when police were recruiting from the white male population, large
> men who imposing stature intimidated people, not to mention having to
> rely on brute force to deal with unruly people. Times have changed.
> However, the courts still see women as the weaker sex.
>
> *> If a young woman
>
> > bats her eyelashes and starts to tear up, the cops will generally let
> > her off with a verbal warning.
>
> It didn't help my wife when she got pulled over for speeding while en
> route to the hospital where her mother was dying. *Having worked in law
> enforcement for a number of years I saw my share of female tears. *It
> was hard to tell if the tears were genuine or just part of a female ploy
> to get out of a ticket.
>
> > It help if you are polite, and
> > submissive in your dealings with them. *As I told my neighborhood
> > hooligans, when the cops stop you, "sir" them to death and they'll
> > leave you alone (unless they catch you in the act.)
>
> Cops don't always like giving tickets. You have to remember that it is
> our government that decides what is legal and what isn't, and what the
> punishment will be, not the cops. *The cops often disagree with the the
> politicians about what the real problems are and how to deal with them.
> * Cops have a lot of discretion when it comes to laying charges. If a
> person acknowledges that they have done wrong they can be given a
> warning and sent on their way. When someone argues and gets abusive
> there are ways to deal with it. I certain had my share of verbal abuse
> laid on me, and it was never a surprise to look at the conviction record
> for those people and see "attitude adjustment". *While few people have
> absolutely clean records, and some have the odd conviction for speeding
> or failing to yield, these guys had frequent dealings with the police
> and usually ended up with multiple charges each time. They would be
> charged for the things that most cops would never bother with when
> dealing with decent people.
>
> > Life isn't fair, so take all the advantages you can<G>.
>
> True, but most of those guys don't catch a ride to work on the back of a
> turnip truck.

Thank you for disabusing me of my biases. And yes, it was 20-30 years
ago, so in some ways, I'm glad things have changed.

Sincerely,
maxine in ri

brooklyn1 wrote:

> I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
> seniors have the most disposable income.


My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
people.

On Apr 2, 2:09*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *ChattyCathy > wrote:
>
> > Let's face it. *Traditional adult restaurants are not suitable for
> > children. *Adults want to sit around, talk and enjoy their food. *Kids
> > want to fill their stomachs and get on with the playing. *There are
> > notable exceptions.
>
> Quite so. Of course we don't take a 5 year old to 'adult' restaurants.
> That would be indeed be a stupid thing to do, not only for the other
> patrons but ourselves too. However, I have a distinct advantage over
> quite a few other parents, I suspect... i.e. my first born (FB) is 21
> years older than my second born. If we want to go to an adult
> restaurant FB is more than willing to babysit - and we take him up on
> it on the odd occasion. We do have quite a few family restaurants
> around here that welcome children. We take her to those, and still get
> to enjoy our food and some conversation too (usually over the weekend
> around lunch time or into the afternoon - because she has to be in bed
> by 8pm).
>
>
>
> > My wife and I went camping when she was 7 months pregnant with our
> > first. *The ranger gave her a funny look and had a little talk with
> > her
> > before we left for an easy ranger hike. *It got a little difficult
> > when
> > the ranger got lost, but she did OK. *She worked up until the day she
> > went into labor. *She didn't need a special space then. *But I've
> > known lots of women who were perfectly healthy before and after
> > pregancy, but had a pregnancy-related condition, or another condition
> > that was made worse by pregnancy, and really needed special parking.
>
> There ya go.
>
> >> Somehow, I don't think I needed to have a placard when I was 8 months
> >> pregnant. It was pretty obvious to most onlookers...
>
> > That's silly. *8 months pregnant, person in wheelchair; yeah, that's
> > obvious. *They go in the store, leaving a vehicle with no placard.
> > Police officer sees said car with no person anywhere near, and writes
> > ticket.
>
> Heh. If a cop is bored enough to write me up a parking ticket for
> parking my car in a designated pregnant mom parking space (which, BTW
> is still up for debate about whether the aforementioned parking spaces
> are on private property or not) s/he is welcome to do so. I'll just
> take the ticket and then waddle into the nearest relevant department,
> slap the ticket down in front of the poor unsuspecting person on duty
> behind the desk, yell and s/he for a couple of minutes and then have it
> voided. Simple as that.
>
> But wait! (you may say). What if I've 'popped' the baby before I get a
> chance to contest the ticket? Heh. I'll take the baby along (plus some
> form of ID, plus the birth certificate - which will prove beyond a
> shadow of a doubt that I was indeed pregnant on the date in question)
> do some yelling at the poor unsuspecting person on duty behind the
> desk - and still get the ticket voided <veg>

If South Africa wasn't quite so far, I'd consider moving. Right
reasonable courts you got there<g>.
maxine in ri