On Apr 2, 2:17*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article 0>,
> *Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
> > On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
>
> > > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > >> There is serious parental negligence in discipline and training today,
> > > Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
> > > there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children
> > Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up. *For
> > lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times. *Things
> > were much different than when I was growing up.
>
> That one has been on the books, documented, for at least a couple of
> thousand years. *It's the refrain of the old people (and I'm 59, so
> you'll hear it from me sometimes).
>
> > >> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
> > >> park beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get
> > >> to the store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces,
> > >> everyone needing them would have equal opportunity.
>
> > > I dunno where you shop, but where I shop the pregnancy spaces are
> > > usually close to the Baby-R-Us type of stores (right next to the
> > > disabled parking spaces).
> > Not so where I live. *Supermarkets, and even some of our big box stores
> > have these spaces and they are closer to the entrances than the disabled
> > spaces.
>
> As a parenthetical comment, I've never seen pregnancy or "parent with
> kids" myself. *I had never even heard of them until this week.

A few of the supermarkets and child-specific stores around here do
it. It's mildly annoying when you are preparing to dive into a nice
space, only to start turning and see the sign<g>. I now park as far
away as possible, so it solves the problem. Mostly.

maxine in ri

On Apr 2, 6:03*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
> > I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. *And in fact as a group
> > seniors have the most disposable income. *
>
> My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
> thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
> people.

Depends on where you are. Too many folks have been trying to live on
SSI alone. Those are the ones who need the discounts, for whatever
reason they don't have other savings.

maxine in ri

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>
>> Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
>> piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
>> age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
>> spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
>> to do so.
>>
>
> You wrote "for a myriad of reasons", which is acceptible.
> But *for myriad reasons* is more suave and urbane and also lubricious...
> confers what you have to say with more credibility, and most importantly
> doesn't grate on my, um sensitive parts.
>
> Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking
> heads say sua-vey. eeeeiaa
>

No they don't. Honest to God, you are delusional.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:06:08p, blake murphy told us...
>
>> every jurisdiction that i know of has stiff sanctions for those using an
>> expired hanger, or using one when the designee is not in the car. i have
>> to apply in person periodically to retain mine, even though it's pretty
>> obvious my legs are not growing back.
>>
>> blake
>
> In AZ, at least, if you request a handicapped license plate instead of or
> in addition to a hanging placard, the status of the license plate does not
> expire and only the stickers need to be renewed for taxes. The placards
> have an expiration period which, I believe, is either 3 or 5 years.

In Utah, the handicapped license plate is permanent and only the regular
registration tags need to be renewed annually -- obviously, you can only
get the plate if your disability is already determined to be permanent
in nature. If you go for the placard for a permanent disability, it
expires two years after issue and renewal is done by mail. You can have
two placards if you don't get the plates, or one placard if you do get
the plates (in case you use or ride in someone else's vehicle).

"maxine" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 2, 6:03 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
> > I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
> > seniors have the most disposable income.
>
> My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
> thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
> people.

Depends on where you are. Too many folks have been trying to live on
SSI alone. Those are the ones who need the discounts, for whatever
reason they don't have other savings.
=====
Naturally every social strata has a mix of economies but as a *group*
seniors *by far* have the most disposable income... next come miuddle aged
gays, because they don't raise children, are better educated, and are more
likley to be self employed, and because of the two aforementioned facts are
more likely to be highly successful entrepreneurs... again this is as a
*group*... I don't want to hear exceptions because then yoose will claim all
Jews are wealthy and they most definitely are not. The fact that there are
impoverished areas has nothing to do with anything because every social
strata in those areas will be *equally* affected.

"ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>
> Better parking? How so?
> --
> Cheers
> Chatty Cathy

Smaller store, smaller lot, parking closer to the door. Sometimes within
ten feet.

In the store itself, being much smaller than the Stop & Shop, the walk to
the eggs that both have in the far corner of the store is about 1/3 the
distance. It is a good place to stop for staples. OTOH, they do not have
fresh baked goods or the selection of meats and cheeses. Each store has its
benefits and shortcomings so I use both depending on my needs at the time.

blake wrote:

>> There are plenty of people who celebrate getting a disability because (in
>> California, at least) it means they'll have a guaranteed income for the
>> rest of their lives without lifting a finger.
>>
>
> you're welcome to cut your legs off with a chain saw and join them.

Feeling a little BITTER today, aren't we, Sunshine?

Bob

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> if you just had your torn meniscus repaired your doctor wants you to walk,
> with crutches at first... typically only needs about week before one can
> walk as well if not better than before the surgery, today it's a
> laproscopic procedure, only a tiny hole.

No crutches at all after, only for a couple of weeks before, then a brace. A
sometimes side effect is a Baker's cyst and that was the real pain. Walked
out of the recovery room and was back to work two days later.



>

"Jinx Minx" > wrote in message
>
> Yes, but do you really think those "special" spaces will be open when said
> waitress, mailman, arthritic goes to shop? No, they'll just be filled by
> someone else--maybe a healthy, athletic guy in running shorts, or the
> newly licensed teenager. Everybody wants to score "the good spot", which
> is quite evident by witnessing cars drive round and round the parking lot
> like a vulture waiting for a fresh kill.

Exactly, so don't single out some other small group of people. You take
your chances.


>
> Perhaps you should get a handicapped permit. It would seem to me you
> qualify.

No, the pain comes and goes and when it goes I try to walk as much as I can.
I don't qualify according to the guidelines. I hope I never do, actually.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> "maxine" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Apr 2, 6:03 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> > brooklyn1 wrote:
> > > I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
> > > seniors have the most disposable income.
> >
> > My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
> > thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
> > people.
>
> Depends on where you are. Too many folks have been trying to live on
> SSI alone. Those are the ones who need the discounts, for whatever
> reason they don't have other savings.
> =====
> Naturally every social strata has a mix of economies but as a *group*
> seniors *by far* have the most disposable income... next come miuddle aged
> gays, because they don't raise children, are better educated, and are more
> likley to be self employed, and because of the two aforementioned facts
are
> more likely to be highly successful entrepreneurs... again this is as a
> *group*... I don't want to hear exceptions because then yoose will claim
all
> Jews are wealthy and they most definitely are not. The fact that there
are
> impoverished areas has nothing to do with anything because every social
> strata in those areas will be *equally* affected.


I pretty much agree...

Being ***, I've noticed that most *** middle - aged men do fairly okay at
the very least (natcherly there always some FREEK exceptions like Lil'
Wayne, he because of his own stupidity is still whining about his state...),
and I know of quite a few rich old queens...most all are self - made, they
invested in businesses (*** bars...) or property Gays often buy up
properties in distressed areas and then when the areas gentrify they are "In
Like Flynn"...I know many prosperous middle - aged *** guys who bought homes
and commercial property in slum areas and then - BAM...!!!

I'd have to say that *******s as a group are by far the worst off, many
never mature and go out into the world and find careers, they get menial
jobs at best, mooch 'n sponge, or simply don't work. I know quite a few of
AARP age that end up having to go back and live with mom and dad or
relatives, or end up distressed charity cases or hustling drugs. It AIN'T
pretty...

I know a few successful *******s, e.g, judges and business owners and
professionals, etc, but they tend to be the exception. A good 75% of
*******s I've encountered in my 33 years of being out are simply losers,
plain and simple...

Guys, even the laziest young *** guys eventually, generally make supporting
themselves a point of pride...I know many cases of parasitical females, many
fewer of males.


--
Best
Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher

Jinx Minx wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Good for you! I'm a very precise driver, I center my car up in a spot
> > with micrometer precision. But I can't count how many times when I
return
> > some blind ******* parked all the way over in their spot to my side that
I
> > could barely walk between to get my key in let alone open the door
enough
> > to get me in. Usta be easy back when cars had bench seats... but now
it's
> > a bitch getting into a car from the passenger side, what with those
> > humongous center consoles... wtf do vehicles need center consoles the
size
> > of a steamer trunk, literally a pain in the butt, well the hip... those
> > seat belt fasteners stand up stiff as my dick did fifty years ago when I
> > was sixteen. And why does the center console have to be six inches
higher
> > than the seat, can't even push that latch over so I don't get black and
> > blues on my hip everytime I'd make a left. A couple weeks ago I went
out
> > looking at new pick up trucks... didja know that the full size Ford p/u
> > front drivers seat is only 18" inches wide, I checked with a tape
measure.
> > I'm not that big yet I could barely shoehorn my ass into that seat that
is
> > actually like sitting in a wooden produce crate... how do those big
beefy
> > butt building contractor guys fit comfortably into today's pickups. My
> > Landcruiser is a much smaller vehicle overall, especially width, yet its
> > drivers seat width measures 21" (3" extra may not seem like much but
it's
> > a lot, yoose gals all know that (tawkin' wide hips here, get yer minds
on
> > topic lol), and the center console is nearly the same height, and the
seat
> > belt latch is practically faccid. It's no wonder folks ain't buying US
> > vehicles, their engineers need stringing up. Imagine, skinny assed
> > Orientals are building wider seats than fat ass Americans. I checked
> > Chevy and Chrysler too, same skinny seats, and so much crap bulging out
> > from the inner door panel there's no place to put yer knee... imagine
> > driving hours having to keep my knees together like a girl... and yoose
> > all know I got a pair makes that anatomically impossible. LOL
> >
>
> You'll have to check out Subaru. A friend of mine likes them because they
> have "big butt seats".


Commenting on Sheldon's remarks about bucket seats, didja know that the
first 1964 Mustang had bench seats as *standard* equipment, the base model
was bare - bones and so buckets were optional. Those of us of a certain age
remember when bucket seats were the ne ultra plus of grooviness, e.g on
early 60's US cars the first Corvair Monzas had them, then they became a
huge fad...

Some top - end cars of that era, e.g, Chrysler Imperials and others had what
were called "split front bench seats", individually adjustable, both driver
and passenger had their own arm rests in the center, no console. These are
the seats of the 1966 Chrysler LeBaron aka "Your Own Private Island";
described as "..a 5- foot sofa...side - by - side lounge chairs...":

http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/Brochure/Page03.jpg


Here is the whole 1966 Imperial catalong, a work of art, I have a copy and
it's the size of a _Life_ magazine, just bee - yoot - if - ul :

http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1966/Brochure/index.htm


Cars in the last 40 years have advanced in quality and features
exponentially, I don't understand why it's such a PITA to enter and exit
them and having to feel like a squashed dwarf whilst sitting inside
them...and I'm an average sized d00d. The very WORST are taxis, getting in
the back seat is pure torture, they have those divider window thingies that
subtract about 50% of the already cramped space, bring back the Checker
Marathon!


--
Best
Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher

blake murphy wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:04:25 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> > On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:37:20a, ChattyCathy told us...
> >
> >>
> >> Sounds to me like are you intimating that *all* the other parents out
> >> there these days are not as good as yours. I discipline my children
> >> when in public too. Just because I have children doesn't make me think
> >> they can do as they please and cause a disturbance either. In fact, we
> >> all but stopped dining out anywhere until our kidlette was old enough
> >> to 'behave herself' and not annoy the other restaurant patrons. Same
> >> goes when I take her shopping with me. If she doesn't behave herself in
> >> the supermarket she hears all about it (which is not that often, but it
> >> has happened).
> >
> > Certainly not all, but a good deal more than when I was growing up. For
> > lack of a better way to say it, I think it's a sign of the times.
Things
> > were much different than when I was growing up.
> >
>
> i would think you would thank god for that. how many openly *** people
did
> you know when you were growing up?


Lil' Wayne is a perfect *** twit for, say, c. 1954...


--
Best
Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher

Wayne Boatwright wrote:


> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
> am.

No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> Sorry, I'm in a nitpicky mood today.

S'OK. Don't worry, you're not alone ;-)
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>>
>> Better parking? How so?

> Smaller store, smaller lot, parking closer to the door. Sometimes
> within ten feet.

Ah yes, know what you mean. There are few smaller shopping centers like
that 'round here too and it easier to find parking (and to remember
where you parked your damn car <g>).

Reminds me of a friend of mine. She went shopping at one of the bigger
shopping malls we have here - they have several different parking areas
on 3 sides of the mall and 5 or 6 entrances/exits to the mall...

Anyway, she found a parking space and went to do her shopping. When she
came out, her car was just not there, and was convinced it had been
stolen. So she phones her husband on her cellphone in a panic and all
he said to her was, "Find one of the car guards and let me speak to
him/her". This she duly did. There was a brief conversation between the
hubby and the guard - who burst out laughing and told her to follow
him. You guessed it, she had come out of a different entrance/exit from
the one she went in, and of course her car wasn't in that parking area.
<g> We teased her about it for years.

>
> In the store itself, being much smaller than the Stop & Shop, the walk
> to the eggs that both have in the far corner of the store is about 1/3
> the distance. It is a good place to stop for staples. OTOH, they do
> not have fresh baked goods or the selection of meats and cheeses.
> Each store has its benefits and shortcomings so I use both depending
> on my needs at the time.


Same here. I like certain stores for certain things.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

maxine wrote:

>
> If South Africa wasn't quite so far, I'd consider moving. Right
> reasonable courts you got there<g>.
> maxine in ri

<g>

I'll get the guest room ready...
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

ChattyCathy said...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>
>> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
>> am.
>
> No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...


I can't wait for American football. Men have better things to argue about! We
tend to time-out during off season.

Andy

Andy said...

> Men have better things to argue about!


Let me rephrase that...

Men have less things to argue about!

Andy
In TFH #15

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:57:00 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>ChattyCathy said...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
>>> am.
>>
>> No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...
>
>
>I can't wait for American football. Men have better things to argue about! We
>tend to time-out during off season.
>
Did you join the fantasy football league over in abf?



--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf said...

> On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 04:57:00 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>>ChattyCathy said...
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
>>>> am.
>>>
>>> No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...
>>
>>
>>I can't wait for American football. Men have better things to argue
>>about! We tend to time-out during off season.
>>
> Did you join the fantasy football league over in abf?


sf,

Nah... I find that too time-consuming and boring.

I intend to be a Philadelphia Eagles "walk-on" and probably "carried off"
team player!

I'm currently eligible to be placed on the disabled list.

Come July, I'll be at the top of my game!

Got any eights?

Best,

Andy
Defensive BUM!!!

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:52:39 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:25:25a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:43:36 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm quite sure that I'm in the minority and don't mind admitting it.
>>> At the same time, I think you may be missing my point. I have nothing
>>> against a pregnant woman parking close to the store, and I would
>>> consider their pregnancy to be a temporary disability. I suggest that
>>> that they should obtain a temporary disability placard and vie for the
>>> legal legitimate disability spaces like anyone else that's disabled. I
>>> still see absolutely no reason for specificd spaces dedicated for this
>>> purpose.
>>
>> just as a technical point he handicapped spaces are most often
>> designed so that a *wheelchair* can be placed next to the car with a
>> reasonable amount of room for a passenger (or for hardy types, the
>> driver) to be able to make the transfer from car to chair and then
>> maneuver without banging into the car adjacent . they are usually near
>> a curb cut so that the wheelchair user can get into the store. around
>> here, that's typically one, two or (rarely) three spaces. that said,
>> i'm not so sure that people who have difficulty walking should be using
>> those spots 'like anyone else who is disabled.' their requirements are
>> a little different. so maybe the 'pregnant' (do they have 'elderly'?)
>> spots aren't such a bad idea.
>>
>> now that i think about it, the signs i see designating the handicapped
>> spots usually have a stylized drawing of a person in a wheelchair on
>> them.
>>
>> <http://www.vernonhills.org/UserFiles...andicapped.jpg
>>>
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>
> Blake, many of our handicapped spots are quite a bit larger and are
> specifically designated as "van accessible" so that a wheelchair lift from
> inside a van can be accommodated. A very smart idea in my opinion.
> Sometimes these spaces are perpendicular to the other spaces.

sounds cushy indeed.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:56:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 11:26:22a, blake murphy told us...
>
>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
> park
>>>> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
>>>> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
>>>> needing them would have equal opportunity.
>>>
>>> Not to mention those of us who have gout
>>> on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
>>> past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders are usually the
>>> dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)
>>
>> 'breeders'? are you ***, too?
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>
> Many couples, self-described as DINCs, also refer to couples with numerous
> small children as breeders. The term is not restricted for use by those of
> us who happen to be ***.

i don't recall hearing the term used by straight people, but you're
probably right.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:01:49 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to park
>>>> beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get to the
>>>> store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces, everyone
>>>> needing them would have equal opportunity.
>>>
>>> Not to mention those of us who have gout
>>> on rare occasions. Ouch, ouch, ouch, just to hobble
>>> past these breeders. And you know what? The breeders
>>> are usually the dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)
>>
>> 'breeders'? are you ***, too?
>
> No, blake. You'll have to hit on somebody else.

har, har.

why is it so many people outside of middle school imagine that calling
someone *** is an insult?

blake

On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:22:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> On Thu 02 Apr 2009 12:06:08p, blake murphy told us...
>
>> every jurisdiction that i know of has stiff sanctions for those using an
>> expired hanger, or using one when the designee is not in the car. i have
>> to apply in person periodically to retain mine, even though it's pretty
>> obvious my legs are not growing back.
>>
>> blake
>
> In AZ, at least, if you request a handicapped license plate instead of or
> in addition to a hanging placard, the status of the license plate does not
> expire and only the stickers need to be renewed for taxes. The placards
> have an expiration period which, I believe, is either 3 or 5 years.

ah, but i do not own a car, so the permit has to be 'portable' to whoever
is unfortunate enough to be dragging me around someplace.

practically, this ends up to be one person, so it's kept in her car. she's
so disgustingly honest that she has used it when i was not in the car a
grand total of once in almost ten years.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:26:04 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
>> am.
>
> No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...

<snort>

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:36:08 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "ChattyCathy" wrote:
>>>
>>> Thing is, a lot of people seem to forget that not all pregnancies are a
>>> piece of cake (that's the OBFood part) for a myriad of reasons not just
>>> age - and some pregnant women really appreciate those priority parking
>>> spaces. Still dunno why some people seem to think it's such a 'crime'
>>> to do so.
>>>
>>
>> You wrote "for a myriad of reasons", which is acceptible.
>> But *for myriad reasons* is more suave and urbane and also lubricious...
>> confers what you have to say with more credibility, and most importantly
>> doesn't grate on my, um sensitive parts.
>>
>> Btw, suave is monosyllabic, the e is silent... far too many TV talking
>> heads say sua-vey. eeeeiaa
>>
>
> No they don't. Honest to God, you are delusional.

the people on t.v. where sheldon lives must be idiots. i suppose they have
to cater to their audience...

the only person i've seen on t.v. say sua-vey who wasn't kidding was george
wallace.

your pal,
blake

fOn Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:09:16 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> blake wrote:
>
>>> There are plenty of people who celebrate getting a disability because (in
>>> California, at least) it means they'll have a guaranteed income for the
>>> rest of their lives without lifting a finger.
>>>
>>
>> you're welcome to cut your legs off with a chain saw and join them.
>
> Feeling a little BITTER today, aren't we, Sunshine?
>
> Bob

no, not bitter at all. i'm laughing at you because you are stupid.

blake

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>>
>> Better parking? How so?
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Chatty Cathy
>
> Smaller store, smaller lot, parking closer to the door. Sometimes within
> ten feet.
>
> In the store itself, being much smaller than the Stop & Shop, the walk to
> the eggs that both have in the far corner of the store is about 1/3 the
> distance. It is a good place to stop for staples. OTOH, they do not have
> fresh baked goods or the selection of meats and cheeses. Each store has
> its benefits and shortcomings so I use both depending on my needs at the
> time.
>
Yep, I buy milk, OJ, eggs, and ice cream at Stewart's Shops, a convenience
store and is definitely very convenient, naturally I buy my gasolene there
too... in fact pumping my gas when I go inside to pay I pick up the other
items too so my only parking maneuvering is to pull up to the pump. They
have plenty of other parking too, including a few handicapped spots, but
there are plenty of gas pumps and they are only like a fifty foot walk to
the front door.

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:05:15 +0000, blake murphy wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 13:01:49 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:10:13 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I become dismayed when I see people on walkers or crutches having to
>>>>> park beyond the distance of the pregnancy spaces and struggle to get
>>>>> to the store, when if they were all designated as disability spaces,
>>>>> everyone needing them would have equal opportunity.
>>>>
>>>> Not to mention those of us who have gout on rare occasions. Ouch,
>>>> ouch, ouch, just to hobble past these breeders. And you know what?
>>>> The breeders are usually the dumb-as-a-cluck type. :-) :-)
>>>
>>> 'breeders'? are you ***, too?
>>
>> No, blake. You'll have to hit on somebody else.
>
> har, har.
>
> why is it so many people outside of middle school imagine that calling
> someone *** is an insult?
>
> blake

Good question, Blake.

People come in two kinds: ***, and not-***.
Since the way you are created is not advertised on your forehead, the
question 'are you ***?' should be respected as an essential one in human
communication, not as embarrassing.

--
Groet, salut, Wim.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 01 Apr 2009 08:40:05p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>> Doctors already give their MD license number on the application, always
>>> have. I doubt CT will succeed in such stupidity, no politician is
>>> going to jeapardize their political career second guessing MDs... I
>>> mean most small town politicians only have a High School diploma, maybe
>>> only a GED. Handicap stickers aren't permanent anyway.... initially
>>> doctors usually give a six month provisional and thereafter the term in
>>> most states is for three years, and can be withdrawn at any time. I've
>>> no idea why anyone would want to deny someone handicapped parking, that
>>> just demonstrates extreme ignorance, I mean like the most extreme
>>> ignorance possible, we're talkin' Pinhead City here.
>> CT issues permits with an expiration date (determined by the doctor) or
>> a permanent permit. At one time they gave you two. The problem is not
>> denial, but abuse. When granny passes on, the kids grab the placard to
>> use instead of turning it back in. Lack of control is the problem and
>> that leads to abuse. I've never seen anyone actually check the names
>> on the placard. They are numbered and have to be signed. The state
>> though, has no idea how many are still valid and how many are expired
>> but still used.
>>
>>
>>> even the Walmart Superstore near where I live must have 2,000 parking
>>> spots but hasn't more then 25 handicapped spots. And the vast
>>> majority who have the tags and are legitimately handicapped don't park
>>> in the designated spots anyway... so wtf are you talking about cracking
>>> down, what's to crack down,
>> Our Wal Mart has about 12 spots. At certain times of the day, every one
>> is used. Our Price Chopper has 10 or 12 and same deal. All are filled.
>> Stop & Shop usually has a couple open at the south entrance, the north
>> is always filled at busy times. So, either our area has a larger
>> percentage of elderly population or the state has more abusers of the
>> system.
>
> I have seen what appeared to be abuse many times, yet one can't judge a
> younger person who doesn't appear to have a disability when, in fact, there
> may be one, visible or not. I would agree, however, that there may also be
> significant abuse.
>
> Living in Arizona where there are many elderly retirees and temporary
> winter residence, also elderly, we have an inordinate number of disability
> parking spaces. I can't count the number of different out of state
> disability placards hanging in car windows. In many instances they are all
> filled, particularly during the winter season.
>
> My partner, David, and I both have disability license plates obtained for
> legitimate reasons. Often we don't park in the disability spaces,
> depending on how we feel or what our mission is at any given store. If
> we're not feeling up to walking a long distance, or if we're anticipating a
> heavy cart or large item to take from store to car, we do use them.
> Personally, I think we use them sensibly. We did not request them from our
> doctor. It was the doctor who recommnended that we have them.
>
> As far as the spaces designated for pregnant women, I personally feel that
> they should request a temporary disability placard from their doctor. They
> would have no problem obtaining one. I see absolutely no reason for
> specific spaces to be disgnated for that use.
>
> As to the spaces designated for women with children in tow...phooey!!!
> When I was growing up my mother almost always parked a good distance away
> from the stores and I walked with her obediently. If a parent cannot
> control their child, then they don't belong there.
>
> The lack of parental discipline and training is utterly rediculous today.
> These parents reap what they sow. They need to learn to deal with it.
>
I tend to agree on the parents with kids spaces. I sure never
needed such a space. I also never parked particularly close to
the store.

--
Jean B.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "ChattyCathy" > wrote in message
>> As Boron pointed out somewhere else in this
>> thread, the stores do it to 'keep their clientele happy'. It is indeed
>> an added incentive to shop there - which seems to work.
>
> Maybe not. I sometimes go to a store that is my second choice for food
> selection, but they have better parking than the one with the special
> spaces. Business lost.
>
>
I do admit that I do that too. Not because I want to park close,
but because there IS parking somewhere. The Trader Joe's and Stop
& Shop that are closest to me happen to have very small lots.
TJ's lot is downright dangerous, with folks going every which way
looking for spaces--and there are numerous accidents. I usually
park a block or so away if I want to go to that one.

--
Jean B.

maxine wrote:
> On Apr 2, 6:03 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> I concur, being old is no excuse to pay less. And in fact as a group
>>> seniors have the most disposable income.
>> My mother used to wonder about all the seniors discounts because she
>> thought that most seniors were better off than most parents and young
>> people.
>
> Depends on where you are. Too many folks have been trying to live on
> SSI alone. Those are the ones who need the discounts, for whatever
> reason they don't have other savings.
>
> maxine in ri

Well, and NOW, of course, many people's savings are greatly
diminished.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
ChattyCathy > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> > A pregnant woman could do that here, too, after paying a $50
> > "processing" fee.

> Heh. Didn't know that was the case in your part of the world.

I didn't either, but I'll take Bob's word, since we live in the same
area.

> However, if somebody parks illegally somewhere and their car is actually
> towed away by the traffic department, there is quite a hefty fine to
> pay before they can get the car back.

They very seldom tow cars for illegal parking here. It has to be
blocking something important, like a fire lane, traffic or the mayor's
parking spot. A car was towed from in front of my neighbor's house last
week. I think it had been there about 8 months, most of that time with
an expired registration. I suspect my neighbor complained.

Around here, the police department orders the towing, but private
companies, under a contract, do the actual towing. California has
gotten very aggressive with towing. My son bought a car well over a
year ago. The dealer was very slow with getting him the title, and thus
the registration. He was stopped once, and paid a major fine. The
officer was nice enough, and gave him some advice, but said that next
time he was stopped, his car would be automatically towed, no excuses,
and he wouldn't get it back until the paperwork was straightened out,
everything was paid, and then he had to pay the towing company for the
towing and storage. The bill to the towing company was estimated at
US$1500! If you have no valid driver's license or no insurance, it gets
towed the first time, no warning. Since we have a number of illegal
aliens here, and they *cannot* get a driver's license or insurance, they
drive very cheap cars, because they know once their car gets towed, they
won't ever get it back.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:56:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> > Many couples, self-described as DINCs, also refer to couples with numerous
> > small children as breeders. The term is not restricted for use by those of
> > us who happen to be ***.
>
> i don't recall hearing the term used by straight people, but you're
> probably right.

I don't like the term at all. Many *** people have children, some
before they realized they were ***, some as *** people. We have at
least one regular male *** poster here, who adopted children with his
male *** partner. My wife has a number of ******* friends, some with
children. Are they "breeders"?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri 03 Apr 2009 11:14:38a, Jean B. told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Wed 01 Apr 2009 08:40:05p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>
>>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>> Doctors already give their MD license number on the application,
>>>> always have. I doubt CT will succeed in such stupidity, no
>>>> politician is going to jeapardize their political career second
>>>> guessing MDs... I mean most small town politicians only have a High
>>>> School diploma, maybe only a GED. Handicap stickers aren't permanent
>>>> anyway.... initially doctors usually give a six month provisional and
>>>> thereafter the term in most states is for three years, and can be
>>>> withdrawn at any time. I've no idea why anyone would want to deny
>>>> someone handicapped parking, that just demonstrates extreme
>>>> ignorance, I mean like the most extreme ignorance possible, we're
>>>> talkin' Pinhead City here.
>>> CT issues permits with an expiration date (determined by the doctor)
>>> or a permanent permit. At one time they gave you two. The problem is
>>> not denial, but abuse. When granny passes on, the kids grab the
>>> placard to use instead of turning it back in. Lack of control is the
>>> problem and that leads to abuse. I've never seen anyone actually
>>> check the names on the placard. They are numbered and have to be
>>> signed. The state though, has no idea how many are still valid and
>>> how many are expired but still used.
>>>
>>>
>>>> even the Walmart Superstore near where I live must have 2,000 parking
>>>> spots but hasn't more then 25 handicapped spots. And the vast
>>>> majority who have the tags and are legitimately handicapped don't
>>>> park in the designated spots anyway... so wtf are you talking about
>>>> cracking down, what's to crack down,
>>> Our Wal Mart has about 12 spots. At certain times of the day, every
>>> one is used. Our Price Chopper has 10 or 12 and same deal. All are
>>> filled. Stop & Shop usually has a couple open at the south entrance,
>>> the north is always filled at busy times. So, either our area has a
>>> larger percentage of elderly population or the state has more abusers
>>> of the system.
>>
>> I have seen what appeared to be abuse many times, yet one can't judge a
>> younger person who doesn't appear to have a disability when, in fact,
>> there may be one, visible or not. I would agree, however, that there
>> may also be significant abuse.
>>
>> Living in Arizona where there are many elderly retirees and temporary
>> winter residence, also elderly, we have an inordinate number of
>> disability parking spaces. I can't count the number of different out
>> of state disability placards hanging in car windows. In many instances
>> they are all filled, particularly during the winter season.
>>
>> My partner, David, and I both have disability license plates obtained
>> for legitimate reasons. Often we don't park in the disability spaces,
>> depending on how we feel or what our mission is at any given store. If
>> we're not feeling up to walking a long distance, or if we're
>> anticipating a heavy cart or large item to take from store to car, we
>> do use them. Personally, I think we use them sensibly. We did not
>> request them from our doctor. It was the doctor who recommnended that
>> we have them.
>>
>> As far as the spaces designated for pregnant women, I personally feel
>> that they should request a temporary disability placard from their
>> doctor. They would have no problem obtaining one. I see absolutely no
>> reason for specific spaces to be disgnated for that use.
>>
>> As to the spaces designated for women with children in tow...phooey!!!
>> When I was growing up my mother almost always parked a good distance
>> away from the stores and I walked with her obediently. If a parent
>> cannot control their child, then they don't belong there.
>>
>> The lack of parental discipline and training is utterly rediculous
>> today. These parents reap what they sow. They need to learn to deal
>> with it.
>>
> I tend to agree on the parents with kids spaces. I sure never
> needed such a space. I also never parked particularly close to
> the store.
>

Most likely that's because you had control of your kids. I would guess
that you're not the "average" parent of today. :-)

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 03 Apr 2009 11:14:38a, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Wed 01 Apr 2009 08:40:05p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>
>>>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>>> Doctors already give their MD license number on the application,
>>>>> always have. I doubt CT will succeed in such stupidity, no
>>>>> politician is going to jeapardize their political career second
>>>>> guessing MDs... I mean most small town politicians only have a High
>>>>> School diploma, maybe only a GED. Handicap stickers aren't permanent
>>>>> anyway.... initially doctors usually give a six month provisional and
>>>>> thereafter the term in most states is for three years, and can be
>>>>> withdrawn at any time. I've no idea why anyone would want to deny
>>>>> someone handicapped parking, that just demonstrates extreme
>>>>> ignorance, I mean like the most extreme ignorance possible, we're
>>>>> talkin' Pinhead City here.
>>>> CT issues permits with an expiration date (determined by the doctor)
>>>> or a permanent permit. At one time they gave you two. The problem is
>>>> not denial, but abuse. When granny passes on, the kids grab the
>>>> placard to use instead of turning it back in. Lack of control is the
>>>> problem and that leads to abuse. I've never seen anyone actually
>>>> check the names on the placard. They are numbered and have to be
>>>> signed. The state though, has no idea how many are still valid and
>>>> how many are expired but still used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> even the Walmart Superstore near where I live must have 2,000 parking
>>>>> spots but hasn't more then 25 handicapped spots. And the vast
>>>>> majority who have the tags and are legitimately handicapped don't
>>>>> park in the designated spots anyway... so wtf are you talking about
>>>>> cracking down, what's to crack down,
>>>> Our Wal Mart has about 12 spots. At certain times of the day, every
>>>> one is used. Our Price Chopper has 10 or 12 and same deal. All are
>>>> filled. Stop & Shop usually has a couple open at the south entrance,
>>>> the north is always filled at busy times. So, either our area has a
>>>> larger percentage of elderly population or the state has more abusers
>>>> of the system.
>>> I have seen what appeared to be abuse many times, yet one can't judge a
>>> younger person who doesn't appear to have a disability when, in fact,
>>> there may be one, visible or not. I would agree, however, that there
>>> may also be significant abuse.
>>>
>>> Living in Arizona where there are many elderly retirees and temporary
>>> winter residence, also elderly, we have an inordinate number of
>>> disability parking spaces. I can't count the number of different out
>>> of state disability placards hanging in car windows. In many instances
>>> they are all filled, particularly during the winter season.
>>>
>>> My partner, David, and I both have disability license plates obtained
>>> for legitimate reasons. Often we don't park in the disability spaces,
>>> depending on how we feel or what our mission is at any given store. If
>>> we're not feeling up to walking a long distance, or if we're
>>> anticipating a heavy cart or large item to take from store to car, we
>>> do use them. Personally, I think we use them sensibly. We did not
>>> request them from our doctor. It was the doctor who recommnended that
>>> we have them.
>>>
>>> As far as the spaces designated for pregnant women, I personally feel
>>> that they should request a temporary disability placard from their
>>> doctor. They would have no problem obtaining one. I see absolutely no
>>> reason for specific spaces to be disgnated for that use.
>>>
>>> As to the spaces designated for women with children in tow...phooey!!!
>>> When I was growing up my mother almost always parked a good distance
>>> away from the stores and I walked with her obediently. If a parent
>>> cannot control their child, then they don't belong there.
>>>
>>> The lack of parental discipline and training is utterly rediculous
>>> today. These parents reap what they sow. They need to learn to deal
>>> with it.
>>>
>> I tend to agree on the parents with kids spaces. I sure never
>> needed such a space. I also never parked particularly close to
>> the store.
>>
>
> Most likely that's because you had control of your kids. I would guess
> that you're not the "average" parent of today. :-)
>
Well, that's true. And I only had one. I believe in ZPG.

--
Jean B.

Dan Abel wrote:

>
> They very seldom tow cars for illegal parking here. It has to be
> blocking something important, like a fire lane, traffic or the mayor's
> parking spot.

Same here - or parking spaces that are marked as 'no parking zones'
between certain hours (think it's because of peak traffic times). If a
car is found in one of those spaces when it's not supposed to be
there - they tow it away, no warning issued.

>
> Around here, the police department orders the towing, but private
> companies, under a contract, do the actual towing.

I still see tow trucks 'round here that are owned by our local Traffic
Department. I guess that's why we pay such a big fine to get a car
back - somebody has to pay for fuel and maintenance of those trucks.

BTW, our Police Force as such is separate from the various municipal
Traffic Departments - and they in turn, have specific juristdictions in
which they operate. i.e. The Police Officers are not the guys that pull
you over just to check your license and registration and/or give you a
speeding fine - that's the local Traffic Officers' job, if ya get my
drift. <g>.

We do of course have plenty of private tow truck companies. We jokingly
refer to them as 'vultures' because they (literally) lurk around all
over the place just waiting for somebody to have an accident or a
breakdown and they also charge a fortune to tow your car anywhere.


> If you have no valid driver's license or no insurance, it gets
> towed the first time, no warning. Since we have a number of illegal
> aliens here, and they *cannot* get a driver's license or insurance,
> they drive very cheap cars, because they know once their car gets
> towed, they won't ever get it back.
>
When you say 'insurance' do you mean insurance cover for accident
damage, theft, personal injury etc.?

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

blake wrote:

>>>> There are plenty of people who celebrate getting a disability because
>>>> (in California, at least) it means they'll have a guaranteed income for
>>>> the rest of their lives without lifting a finger.
>>>
>>> you're welcome to cut your legs off with a chain saw and join them.
>>
>> Feeling a little BITTER today, aren't we, Sunshine?
>
> no, not bitter at all. i'm laughing at you because you are stupid.

Right. We both know that I am far from stupid. I wrote about the widespread
incidence of people who are happy to be placed on disability -- a phenomenon
which happens to be completely factual, as you yourself probably know. You
responded with a suggestion that I cut my legs off with a chain saw.

Your suggestion was obviously stupid, which means I touched a nerve and you
ARE bitter, so now you respond with your childish attempt at flaming.
Nothing better to do with your time, eh, Rawhide Dogie?

Bob

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:16:23 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>sf,
>
>Nah... I find that too time-consuming and boring.
>
>I intend to be a Philadelphia Eagles "walk-on" and probably "carried off"
>team player!
>
>I'm currently eligible to be placed on the disabled list.
>
>Come July, I'll be at the top of my game!

<snork!>
>
>Got any eights?

*Crazy* Eights? <tell me if I'm wrong> I might have a couple of them
squirreled away for a rainy (boring) day on rfc.



--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:19:22 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:26:04 +0200, ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> Good grief, indeed. Aren't you getting tired of this? God knows I
>>> am.
>>
>> No, I'm a woman, remember. I will argue about this till I drop dead...
>
> <snort>
>
Women are like that, pal.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.