There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******! Anyone
have an AVI file of this memorable moment?

Farmer John

Fudge wrote:
> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots
> his lawyer.
Has a new president been set?
> Farmer John

Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One after PRESIDENT Kennedy was
shot.

I'm assuming you mean precident? (laughing)

It's not funny. It didn't make the CBS news, but some dude here in Memphis
shot his attorney after the man didn't manage to get him an acquittal or not
guilty verdict. After he got out of prison, he hunted down the attorney and
gunned him down. The defendant had an arrest/conviction record longer than
a yardstick (even if you don't count juvenile convictions). Yeah, I'd
rather have THAT guy running loose on the streets than the attorney.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote:

>Fudge wrote:
>> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots
>> his lawyer.
>Has a new president been set?
>> Farmer John
>
>Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One after PRESIDENT Kennedy was
>shot.
>
>I'm assuming you mean precident? (laughing)

I think the word he meant is precedent.


--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

Fudge > wrote:

> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
> lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
> BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
> universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
> millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
> counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
> president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******! Anyone
> have an AVI file of this memorable moment?

They had it on Sky News in the UK this morning. Stunning.
--
'Tis Herself

In article >, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

> Fudge wrote:
> > There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man
> > shoots
> > his lawyer. Has a new president been set? Farmer John

>
> Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One after PRESIDENT Kennedy was
> shot.
>
> I'm assuming you mean precident? (laughing)
> Jill

I thought he meant precedent. "-)
--
-Barb (www.jamlady.eboard.com updated 10-16-03; check the PickleHats tab, too.)

In article >,
says...
> Fudge wrote:
> > There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots
> > his lawyer.
> Has a new president been set?
> > Farmer John
>
> Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One after PRESIDENT Kennedy was
> shot.
>
> I'm assuming you mean precident? (laughing)

{sigh} It's precedent.

> It's not funny. It didn't make the CBS news, but some dude here in Memphis
> shot his attorney after the man didn't manage to get him an acquittal or not
> guilty verdict. After he got out of prison, he hunted down the attorney and
> gunned him down. The defendant had an arrest/conviction record longer than
> a yardstick (even if you don't count juvenile convictions). Yeah, I'd
> rather have THAT guy running loose on the streets than the attorney.

It isn't funny and is one of the reasons getting into a courthouse is a
major pain in the ass.

And I'm not going to hold attorneys blameless in this. Friend of mine
was riding with a friend one day when and 18 wheeler decided to occupy
the same lane. He ended up with some nerve damage and his attorney is
one of those who rarely contacts him. Been close to 3 years now.

What's complicating things is that he had to abrogate his claim through
his friends insurance co. Both are being represented by the same lawyer.
So he's dragging his feet.

There's frustration abound - my attorney friend laments the process of
getting those acquitted to pay their bills.

So expect an attorney to go off the wall somewhere soon. It's brewing.

In article >,
says...
> Fudge > wrote:
>
> > There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
> > lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
> > BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
> > universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
> > millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
> > counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
> > president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******! Anyone
> > have an AVI file of this memorable moment?
>
> They had it on Sky News in the UK this morning. Stunning.

That's the same UK where a mother puts a hit out on her daughter for
going against her wishes.

The world has all sorts of monsters.

I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls
to stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an
update of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.

OT Man Shoots Lawyer

From: (Joan)
I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls to
stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an update
of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.

Respone: I agree with you 100%

On 1 Nov 2003 09:54:57 -0800, (Joan) wrote:

>I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls
>to stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an
>update of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.

And let's guess who would be the first to call a lawyer if he got into
legal trouble.

David

Joan wrote:

> I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls
> to stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an
> update of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.

There are lots of good lawyers out there. Unfortunately, there are lots
of bad apples that give the profession a bad name. I deal with lawyers
and paralegals on a regular basis, and I find that the paralegals are
much easier to deal with and do a much better job of representing their
clients interests. I certainly don't think that (most) lawyers deserve
to be shot, but I appreciated the old joke about 100 lawyers at the
bottom of the ocean being called "a good start". But then there are no
lawyer jokes, because they are all true :-)

jmcquown wrote:

> Fudge wrote:
>
>> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots
>>his lawyer.
>
> Has a new president been set?
>
>>Farmer John
>
>
> Lyndon Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One after PRESIDENT Kennedy was
> shot.
>
> I'm assuming you mean precident? (laughing)
>
> It's not funny. It didn't make the CBS news, but some dude here in Memphis
> shot his attorney after the man didn't manage to get him an acquittal or not
> guilty verdict. After he got out of prison, he hunted down the attorney and
> gunned him down. The defendant had an arrest/conviction record longer than
> a yardstick (even if you don't count juvenile convictions). Yeah, I'd
> rather have THAT guy running loose on the streets than the attorney.
>
> Jill
>
>
I'm assuming you meant "precedent."
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

"zenit" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:57 -0000 (GMT),
> "Mr. Robocheese" >
> had to open a new box of zerones to say
>
> >Fudge wrote:
> >
> >> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
> >> lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a
tree.
> >> BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
> >> universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
> >> millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm,
nervous
> >> counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
> >> president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******!
Anyone
> >> have an AVI file of this memorable moment?
> >>
> >> Farmer John
> >
> > He did not kill the guy. With all those bullits. He is as good of a
> >shooter, as the guy is a lawyer. They deserve each other.
> >
> > But I bet it did send a message.
> >
> > Mr. Robocheese
>
> Yeah, it did... The message is that this country has its fair share of
> armed nut-cases... The shooter was lucky a LEO didn't put him down
> permanently...
>
> I hope they give the pea-brain at least 10 years... He's 63 now, and
> that'll keep him on ice well into his "golden" years... That's the
> message that needs to be sent; shoot someone, go to prison...
>
> I'm owned guns for over 50 years and hold a lifetime membership in the
> NRA, but when I see insane behavior like that displayed by that idiot
> who assaulted an unarmed person with a handgun, I can see where the
> anti-gun activists have an arguable point...
>
> <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
> zenit

I'm sorry to disagree, but IMHO every lawyer is "armed"... holding others
lives in their hands... some (many?) guilty... some (many?) innocent... not
just the accussed, but also the lawyers themselves!!!

I'm not saying that the shooting was right/wrong... I'm just saying that
I've known innocent people who have been sentenced to life (death?) due to
poor representation from crummy lawyers.

Q: What do you call a thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?
A: A good start.

--
Kendall F. Stratton III
Fort Fairfield, Maine USA

http://home.maine.rr.com/k3

"Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!"

"David Wright" > wrote in message
...
> On 1 Nov 2003 09:54:57 -0800, (Joan) wrote:
>
> >I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls
> >to stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an
> >update of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.
>
> And let's guess who would be the first to call a lawyer if he got into
> legal trouble.
>
> David
>

All this talk about a tragic shooting, why not lighten up and laugh at THIS
poor sap?


NEW YORK (Reuters) --Cell phone users have been known to complain about poor
service, but one New York man's mobile literally went down the toilet.

The man was on a suburban train from Grand Central Station on Wednesday
night
when he went to the bathroom to make a phone call, dropped the phone into
the
toilet bowl and then his hand and arm became stuck trying to retrieve it,
officials said.

Metro-North Railroad staff could not help the man, so they stopped the train
and
called police officers and firefighters to extricate him, a process that
took 90
minutes using "jaws of life" rescue equipment.

"The toilets are made of aluminum so I imagine he was down on hands and
knees
with his shirt rolled up and hand and arm down inside, trying to flush out
his
cell phone," said Jim Cameron of the Connecticut Metro-North commuter
council.

He said that because of the design of the train toilet, the mobile probably
ended up in a chemical holding tank.

A spokesman for the railroad that serves the northern suburbs of New York
and
Connecticut identified the man as Edwin Gallard, 41, of New York, who
suffered a
minor injury to his arm as firefighters cut the toilet apart.

The track was closed and thousands of commuters were delayed during the
evening
rush hour.

The phone has not yet been recovered.


Jack Commode-ication

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:21:09 -0500, "K3" >
wrote:

>
>"zenit" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:57 -0000 (GMT),
>> "Mr. Robocheese" >
>> had to open a new box of zerones to say
>>
>> >Fudge wrote:
>> >
>> >> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
>> >> lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a
>tree.
>> >> BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
>> >> universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
>> >> millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm,
>nervous
>> >> counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
>> >> president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******!
>Anyone
>> >> have an AVI file of this memorable moment?
>> >>
>> >> Farmer John
>> >
>> > He did not kill the guy. With all those bullits. He is as good of a
>> >shooter, as the guy is a lawyer. They deserve each other.
>> >
>> > But I bet it did send a message.
>> >
>> > Mr. Robocheese
>>
>> Yeah, it did... The message is that this country has its fair share of
>> armed nut-cases... The shooter was lucky a LEO didn't put him down
>> permanently...
>>
>> I hope they give the pea-brain at least 10 years... He's 63 now, and
>> that'll keep him on ice well into his "golden" years... That's the
>> message that needs to be sent; shoot someone, go to prison...
>>
>> I'm owned guns for over 50 years and hold a lifetime membership in the
>> NRA, but when I see insane behavior like that displayed by that idiot
>> who assaulted an unarmed person with a handgun, I can see where the
>> anti-gun activists have an arguable point...
>>
>> <! -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- >
>> zenit
>
>I'm sorry to disagree, but IMHO every lawyer is "armed"... holding others
>lives in their hands... some (many?) guilty... some (many?) innocent... not
>just the accussed, but also the lawyers themselves!!!

>I'm not saying that the shooting was right/wrong...

I don't understand- what are you disagreeing with in your previous
paragraph?

> I'm just saying that
>I've known innocent people who have been sentenced to life (death?) due to
>poor representation from crummy lawyers.

This incident was over money.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

COTTP > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > They had it on Sky News in the UK this morning. Stunning.
>
> That's the same UK where a mother puts a hit out on her daughter for
> going against her wishes.
>
> The world has all sorts of monsters.

Hey, he was looking for an avi of it, I said Sky had it. Stunning was
*of* the footage (they ran it quite a bit, and it's still on their front
page)...not anything else.

And where's the story about the mom? I haven't seen anything about it.
--
'Tis Herself

go to cbsnews.com they have the video and also an interview with the guy who
tackled the shooter.
=Ginny

Joan wrote:
> I don't share your glee because I'm a retired attorney. Got the balls
> to stand up to me in person and tell me I deserve to die? You're an
> update of heavy breathing cowardly anonymous telephone calls.


What was your specialty?



--
--

Mark

N.E. Ohio


Never argue with a fool, a bystander can't tell you apart. (S. Clemens,
A.K.A. Mark Twain)

When in doubt hit the throttle. It may not help but it sure ends the
suspense. (Gaz, r.moto)

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:37:09 -0500, "Fudge" > wrote:

> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
>lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
>BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
>universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
>millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
>counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
>president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******! Anyone
>have an AVI file of this memorable moment?
>
>Farmer John
>
You are the ultimate perversion of a civilized being.

Harry

"Fudge" > wrote in message
. ..

> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
> lawyer.


According to the Los Angeles Times, The shooter, William Strier, was not
this lawyer's client. The two were adversaries in a dispute over a trust
fund that had been established with money Strier received in an injury
settlement. Streir was angry over money drawn from his trust fund to pay the
attorney representing the trustee who had been appointed by the court to
manage the trust fund. The lawyer had come to court on Friday for a hearing
on a request for an additional $6200 from Streir's trust fund for the
trustee and for himself. Strier claimed that in addition to depleting his
trust fund, the trustee and lawyer were responsible for witholding money
that was needed for his medical care.

K3 wrote:

> I'm sorry to disagree, but IMHO every lawyer is "armed"... holding others
> lives in their hands... some (many?) guilty... some (many?) innocent...

They are also our politicians. Ewwwww!

Becca

On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 00:03:56 -0800, "Sam D."
> wrote:

>
>"Fudge" > wrote in message
...
>
>> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
>> lawyer.
>
>
>According to the Los Angeles Times, The shooter, William Strier, was not
>this lawyer's client. The two were adversaries in a dispute over a trust
>fund that had been established with money Strier received in an injury
>settlement. Streir was angry over money drawn from his trust fund to pay the
>attorney representing the trustee who had been appointed by the court to
>manage the trust fund. The lawyer had come to court on Friday for a hearing
>on a request for an additional $6200 from Streir's trust fund for the
>trustee and for himself. Strier claimed that in addition to depleting his
>trust fund, the trustee and lawyer were responsible for witholding money
>that was needed for his medical care.
>

Also, that Strier had been making threats to the trustee, who was
trying to transfer the trusteeship to Strier's sister.

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Guy who shoots lawyer six times at close range on TV needs more practice!

Fudge > wrote:
> There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots his
> lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
> BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
> universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
> millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
> counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
> president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******! Anyone
> have an AVI file of this memorable moment?

What a sad commentary on society that people take delight when someone
shoots someone else, even a lawyer. No wonder our society (American) is so
violent. This sets a terrible example for children.

I saw the story on the news too. It was horrible. Fortunately, the shooter
was apprehended without further incident. The lawyer apparantly got on his
client's shit list as a result of getting him a lessor monetary settlement
in some civil litigation than the guy had hoped for.

COTTP > wrote:

> It isn't funny and is one of the reasons getting into a courthouse is a
> major pain in the ass.

> And I'm not going to hold attorneys blameless in this. Friend of mine
> was riding with a friend one day when and 18 wheeler decided to occupy
> the same lane. He ended up with some nerve damage and his attorney is
> one of those who rarely contacts him. Been close to 3 years now.

> What's complicating things is that he had to abrogate his claim through
> his friends insurance co. Both are being represented by the same lawyer.
> So he's dragging his feet.

I am no expert, but it sounds like your friend's attorney has a serious
conflict of interest in handling your friend's case if he's also
representing the defendant. Your friend would do well to file a complaint
with the local bar association in his area.

> wrote in message ...
> Fudge > wrote:
> > There it was on The CBS News with Dan. In prime time, a man shoots
his
> > lawyer. BANG, the lawyer ducked. BANG, the lawyer cringed behind a tree.
> > BANG BANG BANG. Hooray! Oh Joy, what a delight. Thank you Ja! There is
> > universal justice. From L.A. to Boston squeals of delight erupted from
> > millions of victims. In the oaken chambers of prestige law firm, nervous
> > counselors shook their learned heads in shock and horror. Has a new
> > president been set? Dissatisfied with your lawyer? Shoot he *******!
Anyone
> > have an AVI file of this memorable moment?
>
> What a sad commentary on society that people take delight when someone
> shoots someone else, even a lawyer. No wonder our society (American) is so
> violent. This sets a terrible example for children.

Didn't see the OP, but looks like I'm still killfiling the right posters.
Yep, glad I don't hear anything from that one.

>
> I saw the story on the news too. It was horrible. Fortunately, the shooter
> was apprehended without further incident. The lawyer apparantly got on his
> client's shit list as a result of getting him a lessor monetary settlement
> in some civil litigation than the guy had hoped for.
>

Truly pathetic.

Jack Circus

In article >, says...
> K3 wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry to disagree, but IMHO every lawyer is "armed"... holding others
> > lives in their hands... some (many?) guilty... some (many?) innocent...
>
> They are also our politicians. Ewwwww!
>
> Becca
>

While it's true that many of our politicians are attorneys it isn't
necessarily the key to entering politics. Many politicians in RI are
teachers, police officers, firefighters, etc.

The only thing necessary to enter politics is a willingness to leave
your conscience at the door. Oh, and an outstretched palm.

> Unfortunately, there are lots of bad apples that give the profession
a bad name.

What I've found is that most lawyers won't admit they can't do something
well -- far higher percentage than in any other profession I'm aware of.
I'm a nurse, very experienced, but there are tons of nursing jobs I
couldn't do well without extensive training even though I'm technically
qualified. I've had plumbers, electricians, and general home repair
people tell me, when I phoned asking if they could do a certain job,
that I'd be better off calling a different specialty or a different
company. Physicians advertise themselves by specialty. Even store
employees, when telling me they don't carry what I'm looking for, often
have a suggestion as to who might have it. Yet every attorney I've ever
dealt with has insisted they could do whatever I wanted regardless of
their background. I understand that being in independent practice means
one has to be somewhat flexible, but if they were truly motivated to
provide the best possible service, they should be honest enough to say
"Joe Smith is the best at homeowners association issues" or "I'm very
good at wills and contracts, but you would probably be better off with
Clark & Clark to fight your DUI." I'd have more respect for the
profession if most of its members accepted their limitations.

--
Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995
http://www.SteigerFamily.com
Cheyenne WY, USDA zone 5a, Sunset zone 1a
Home of the Wyoming Wind Festival, January 1-December 31
Remove "removethis" from address to reply

TOM KAN PA wrote:

> Guy who shoots lawyer six times at close range on TV needs more practice!
>
>
Well, since he is a poster boy for NRA, maybe they can give him lessons
free.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Sylvia wrote:

> > Unfortunately, there are lots of bad apples that give the profession
> a bad name.
>
> What I've found is that most lawyers won't admit they can't do something
> well -- far higher percentage than in any other profession I'm aware of.

And you know this exactly how?

> I'm a nurse, very experienced, but there are tons of nursing jobs I
> couldn't do well without extensive training even though I'm technically
> qualified. I've had plumbers, electricians, and general home repair
> people tell me, when I phoned asking if they could do a certain job,
> that I'd be better off calling a different specialty or a different
> company. Physicians advertise themselves by specialty. Even store
> employees, when telling me they don't carry what I'm looking for, often
> have a suggestion as to who might have it. Yet every attorney I've ever
> dealt with has insisted they could do whatever I wanted regardless of
> their background. I understand that being in independent practice means
> one has to be somewhat flexible, but if they were truly motivated to
> provide the best possible service, they should be honest enough to say
> "Joe Smith is the best at homeowners association issues" or "I'm very
> good at wills and contracts, but you would probably be better off with
> Clark & Clark to fight your DUI." I'd have more respect for the
> profession if most of its members accepted their limitations.

Your problem is that you make this statement about one profession, not all.


--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Herself wrote:
>
> COTTP > wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > > They had it on Sky News in the UK this morning. Stunning.
> >
> > That's the same UK where a mother puts a hit out on her daughter for
> > going against her wishes.
> >
> > The world has all sorts of monsters.
>
> Hey, he was looking for an avi of it, I said Sky had it. Stunning was
> *of* the footage (they ran it quite a bit, and it's still on their front
> page)...not anything else.
>
> And where's the story about the mom? I haven't seen anything about it.
> --
> 'Tis Herself

If it's the one I heard recently, the family was from South Asia,
living in the US. Daughter went back to the old country, and
married some guy below her caste. Mom took out a contract on her.

maxine in ri