I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
grocery shopping and how to save.

They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.

They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
of 100, and the lowest being 64.

The top ten~

1. Wegmans
2. Trader Joe's
3. Publix
4. Raley's
5. Harris-Teeter
6. Fareway
7. Costco
8. Whole Foods
9. Market Basket

The bottom ten~

49. Pick 'n Save
50. Dominick's
51. Tops Markets
52. Pathmark
53. Food Lion
54. Giant
55. Winn-Dixie
56. Walmart Supercenter
57. Shaw's
58. A&P
59. Waldbaum's

I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
there even though they hate it!

Libby

On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:

> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
> grocery shopping and how to save.
>
> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>
> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
> of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>
> The top ten~
>
> 1. Wegmans
> 2. Trader Joe's
> 3. Publix
> 4. Raley's
> 5. Harris-Teeter
> 6. Fareway
> 7. Costco
> 8. Whole Foods
> 9. Market Basket
>
> The bottom ten~
>
> 49. Pick 'n Save
> 50. Dominick's
> 51. Tops Markets
> 52. Pathmark
> 53. Food Lion
> 54. Giant
> 55. Winn-Dixie
> 56. Walmart Supercenter
> 57. Shaw's
> 58. A&P
> 59. Waldbaum's
>
> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
> there even though they hate it!
>
> Libby

either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>
>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People
>> must shop there even though they hate it!

> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.

well, Market Basket was in the top 10, & in NH you can't get better
food deals than at Market Basket (some of the stores are weak on
produce however).
people around here that shop for groceries at Wal-Mart either don't
bother to comparison shop or they buy because they're already there
(now i'll shup up about that...).
i have been doing much of my shopping at Shaw's, because they have
decent produce. not wonderful like Wegman's, but better than average
for this area. however, due to the downturn in my personal economy,
i'll be doing a lot more shopping at Market Basket.
i'd love having a Wegman's closer than 300 miles away though
lee

enigma wrote:
> blake murphy > wrote in
> :
>
>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>>
>>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People
>>> must shop there even though they hate it!
>
>> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>
> well, Market Basket was in the top 10, & in NH you can't get better
> food deals than at Market Basket (some of the stores are weak on
> produce however).
> people around here that shop for groceries at Wal-Mart either don't
> bother to comparison shop or they buy because they're already there
> (now i'll shup up about that...).
> i have been doing much of my shopping at Shaw's, because they have
> decent produce. not wonderful like Wegman's, but better than average
> for this area. however, due to the downturn in my personal economy,
> i'll be doing a lot more shopping at Market Basket.
> i'd love having a Wegman's closer than 300 miles away though
> lee

I totally agree re the MB. Shaw's, here in Massachusetts anyway,
is very expensive compared to Stop & Shop, which, in turn, is more
expensive than Market Basket. In spite of the nasty MB near here,
I find myself shopping there more.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> enigma wrote:
>> blake murphy > wrote in
>> :
>>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People
>>>> must shop there even though they hate it!
>>
>>> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>>
>> well, Market Basket was in the top 10, & in NH you can't get better
>> food deals than at Market Basket (some of the stores are weak on
>> produce however).
>> people around here that shop for groceries at Wal-Mart either don't
>> bother to comparison shop or they buy because they're already there
>> (now i'll shup up about that...).
>> i have been doing much of my shopping at Shaw's, because they have
>> decent produce. not wonderful like Wegman's, but better than average
>> for this area. however, due to the downturn in my personal economy,
>> i'll be doing a lot more shopping at Market Basket. i'd love having a
>> Wegman's closer than 300 miles away though
>> lee
>
> I totally agree re the MB. Shaw's, here in Massachusetts anyway, is
> very expensive compared to Stop & Shop, which, in turn, is more
> expensive than Market Basket. In spite of the nasty MB near here, I
> find myself shopping there more.
>

I also agree about Market Basket, but don't tell my husband. He'd go
every week if he could. We don't go often because it is not very close
to home but their prices are worth it. Usually we tie a trip to New
Hampshire (to the State Store) with a trip to Market Basket.

As for Shaw's, I really really dislike going there. It's not just
prices, it's the layout of the store that bugs me. Maybe it's because I
tend to prefer Stop and Shop and feel more comfortable there...I dunno.
Shaw's tend to be smaller and more cramped too.

I heard a rumor not too long ago that a Wegman's was coming to Westwood.
Westwood would still be a drive for me, but I would definitely check it
out.

Tracy

Tracy > wrote in
:

> I also agree about Market Basket, but don't tell my husband.
> He'd go every week if he could. We don't go often because it is
> not very close to home but their prices are worth it. Usually we
> tie a trip to New Hampshire (to the State Store) with a trip to
> Market Basket.

the one in South Nashua is better than the one in Hudson (or it was
when i lived down that way)... the thing i find odd about all the
Market Baskets is they all look a bit run down, even the newer
ones.

> As for Shaw's, I really really dislike going there. It's not
> just prices, it's the layout of the store that bugs me. Maybe
> it's because I tend to prefer Stop and Shop and feel more
> comfortable there...I dunno. Shaw's tend to be smaller and more
> cramped too.

there's a Super Shaws in Machester that's really nice, but it's in
Manchester... i like the Shaws in Concord Heights. it has a
sensible layout, unlike the ones at Fort Eddy plaza & Hooksett.

> I heard a rumor not too long ago that a Wegman's was coming to
> Westwood. Westwood would still be a drive for me, but I would
> definitely check it out.

Wegmans is planning two MA stores, Westwood & Northborough, but
dates are TBD still.
lee

Tracy wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> enigma wrote:
>>> blake murphy > wrote in
>>> :
>>>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People
>>>>> must shop there even though they hate it!
>>>
>>>> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>>>
>>> well, Market Basket was in the top 10, & in NH you can't get better
>>> food deals than at Market Basket (some of the stores are weak on
>>> produce however).
>>> people around here that shop for groceries at Wal-Mart either don't
>>> bother to comparison shop or they buy because they're already there
>>> (now i'll shup up about that...).
>>> i have been doing much of my shopping at Shaw's, because they have
>>> decent produce. not wonderful like Wegman's, but better than average
>>> for this area. however, due to the downturn in my personal economy,
>>> i'll be doing a lot more shopping at Market Basket. i'd love having
>>> a Wegman's closer than 300 miles away though
>>> lee
>>
>> I totally agree re the MB. Shaw's, here in Massachusetts anyway, is
>> very expensive compared to Stop & Shop, which, in turn, is more
>> expensive than Market Basket. In spite of the nasty MB near here, I
>> find myself shopping there more.
>>
>
> I also agree about Market Basket, but don't tell my husband. He'd go
> every week if he could. We don't go often because it is not very close
> to home but their prices are worth it. Usually we tie a trip to New
> Hampshire (to the State Store) with a trip to Market Basket.
>
> As for Shaw's, I really really dislike going there. It's not just
> prices, it's the layout of the store that bugs me. Maybe it's because I
> tend to prefer Stop and Shop and feel more comfortable there...I dunno.
> Shaw's tend to be smaller and more cramped too.
>
> I heard a rumor not too long ago that a Wegman's was coming to Westwood.
> Westwood would still be a drive for me, but I would definitely check it
> out.
>
> Tracy

Yes, I'd like to see a Wegman's--not in Westwood though. Shaw's
seem to vary a lot. I was in one a week or so ago in Sudbury (for
those not from this area, it is a pretty upscale town), and it was
just a horrible store. Stop & Shop is pretty good. I was just in
the Watertown one, and it seems to be a phase 2 of reorganization.
That may have been the least desirable one I knew of.

My Market Basket experience is strange, skewed by the one in
Burlington. (Take a peek if you venture out to H-Mart after it
opens.) It is dingy, with very cramped aisles. Very crowded. I
knew they varied a lot, and yet I was stunned when I went to one
in Billerica recently. It was spacious, bright, and not too
crowded even on a Saturday afternoon. (This one was in a strip
mall near Bob's--not the one up the street near K-Mart.) I could
shop there with no pain.

It was nice to see that MB even has some things I generally have
gotten at Whole Foods. Obviously, the price is considerably lower
at MB--and I can use the savings now.

--
Jean B.

On Apr 4, 8:41*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
> > I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
> > grocery shopping and how to save.
>
> > They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> > perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>
> > They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
> > of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>
> > The top ten~
>
> > 1. Wegmans
> > 2. Trader Joe's
> > 3. Publix

Of the Tampa grocery stores, it was the most expensive.

> > 4. Raley's
> > 5. Harris-Teeter
> > 6. Fareway
> > 7. Costco
> > 8. Whole Foods

They must not have given much weight to the "price" factor.

> > 9. Market Basket
>
> > The bottom ten~
>
> > 49. Pick 'n Save
> > 50. Dominick's
> > 51. Tops Markets
> > 52. Pathmark
> > 53. Food Lion

Their stores at least used to be dirty and smelled bad.

> > 54. Giant
> > 55. Winn-Dixie

Even worse that Food Lion? Wow. That takes some doin'.

> > 56. Walmart Supercenter
> > 57. Shaw's
> > 58. A&P
> > 59. Waldbaum's
>
> > I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. *People must shop
> > there even though they hate it!
>
> > Libby
>
> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.

Or in many small towns, Wal Mart has driven the small grocers out of
business. Plus, you can get all the Wal Mart type stuff in the same
trip, i.e. a quart of oil. I run up to Wal Mart for milk and
half&half, when Aldi isn't open. They're closer and cheaper than the
supermarkets.
One really awful thing is their brined beef (enhanced with a
solution).
>
> your pal,
> blake

--Bryan

"Bobo Bonobo®" wrote

> > They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> > perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.

They must have been in limited areas. Thats a very small sample when you
think about it.

> > The top ten~
> > 1. Wegmans
> > 2. Trader Joe's
> > 3. Publix
> > 4. Raley's

None of those here, but a TJ's is slated to open?

> > 5. Harris-Teeter

Decent but easily 1/3 more for many if not most things. Quality not that
notably different but can find some of the more unusual things there. Most
notable differences is it is 24/7 and has a small selection of wider spots
for 'parking with kids' (I believe about 4 out of 100, with 12 or so
handicap ones). Enough room to roll those bigger 2 toddler carts up to the
door of your car.

> > 6. Fareway
> > 7. Costco
> > 8. Whole Foods
> > 9. Market Basket

None of those here either

>They must not have given much weight to the "price" factor.

I'd say off hand, they did not.

> > The bottom ten~
>
> > 49. Pick 'n Save
> > 50. Dominick's
> > 51. Tops Markets
> > 52. Pathmark
> > 54. Giant
> > 55. Winn-Dixie

None of those here but I do recall a Winn Dixie some time back.

> > 53. Food Lion
>Their stores at least used to be dirty and smelled bad.

It's all in the local management. The ones here are decent and i would
expect an area specific rating to place them in the top 10 along with
Krogers (not mentioned).

> > 56. Walmart Supercenter

We have those. I found out fast there is something wrong with their fresh
produce. It's not obvious but it always molds or something else fast. I'll
get a few canned things there or a known brand of dog biscuits, but little
else. I did check them out at the start though when we came back stateside
and they seemed good. Then, they changed produce managers and it went
downhill fast.

"l, not -l" wrote>
>"cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> > > 56. Walmart Supercenter
>>
>> We have those. I found out fast there is something wrong with their
>> fresh
>>
>> produce. It's not obvious but it always molds or something else fast.

> I have found that to be true at Sam's Club also; it's like the items have
> been in transit to the store long enough that much of their shelf-life is
> gone before the consumer gets their hands on it.

Yes, same problem with BJ's on *some things* so we learned to be careful. I
get the impression if you are on a major access for food transport, this
isnt as well noticed but if you are an off laying area of the highways
(google for Norfolk VA and you'll see we arent a major route for much, more
an outbound one for seafoods etc and sea shipping), you tend to have more
notable problems with fresh veggies.

It's pretty much like a truck has to divert from Richmond VA to us. Oh we
are big enough that that happens, but the low end scale places get the stuff
that is almost dead by that spot and wouldnt last til NY city etc. The
higher end spots use either local produce or pay to get the same level as
what NY/CT etc get diverted over to here.

Less than 40,000 people were surveyed. This tells me, probably not one
person in my area since only 3 of the stores they mention are local and one
of the bottom ones is actually very good here.

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> Or in many small towns, Wal Mart has driven the small grocers out of
> business. Plus, you can get all the Wal Mart type stuff in the same
> trip, i.e. a quart of oil. I run up to Wal Mart for milk and
> half&half, when Aldi isn't open. They're closer and cheaper than the
> supermarkets.
> One really awful thing is their brined beef (enhanced with a
> solution).


One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
communities do not care for Walmart.


Becca

Becca said...

> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>
>> Or in many small towns, Wal Mart has driven the small grocers out of
>> business. Plus, you can get all the Wal Mart type stuff in the same
>> trip, i.e. a quart of oil. I run up to Wal Mart for milk and
>> half&half, when Aldi isn't open. They're closer and cheaper than the
>> supermarkets.
>> One really awful thing is their brined beef (enhanced with a
>> solution).
>
>
> One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
> until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
> store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
> communities do not care for Walmart.
>
>
> Becca


Not to mention, Walmart is the most employee discriminatory, un-green
company on the planet!!!

I wouldn't spend my last red cent there!

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Becca said...
>
>
>> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>
>>> Or in many small towns, Wal Mart has driven the small grocers out of
>>> business. Plus, you can get all the Wal Mart type stuff in the same
>>> trip, i.e. a quart of oil. I run up to Wal Mart for milk and
>>> half&half, when Aldi isn't open. They're closer and cheaper than the
>>> supermarkets.
>>> One really awful thing is their brined beef (enhanced with a
>>> solution).
>>>
>> One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
>> until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
>> store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
>> communities do not care for Walmart.
>>
>>
>> Becca
>>
>
>
> Not to mention, Walmart is the most employee discriminatory, un-green
> company on the planet!!!
>
> I wouldn't spend my last red cent there!
>
> Andy
>


When I was married to my ex-husband, I needed to purchase rechargeable
batteries, I was on my way out of town. I ran into Walmart to get them
and I refused the bag. I hid the receipt, because he would have been
upset if he knew I walked through the doors at Walmart. lol


Becca

"Becca" > wrote in message
> One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
> until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
> store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
> communities do not care for Walmart.

Yet some high end bike shops are thriving. You can't compete with Wal Mart
for the every day kids bike but when it comes to higher end stuff WM has
nothing like it.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Becca" > wrote in message
>> One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
>> until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
>> store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
>> communities do not care for Walmart.
>
> Yet some high end bike shops are thriving. You can't compete with Wal Mart
> for the every day kids bike but when it comes to higher end stuff WM has
> nothing like it.
>
>
And you don't have to spend a lot more to get good quality. I am very
active in biking and often friends who want to get into biking will ask
for recommendations.

We have two very competent reasonably priced local bike shops that will
spend the time to make sure you get a good fit and won't sell you a pile
of junk. While they have $5,000 bikes you don't have to spend a lot more
than wally to get a good bike. They will ignore my recommendations
because wally tells them they are their buddy in all of their marketing
and buy a POS bike that has crappy components and doesn't work smoothly
and maybe doesn't even fit them so they will go out one time and get
disgusted and never try again.

If enough people do this the local bike shop can't keep the doors open.
I know the place I usually use is hinting about closing.

"Becca" wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>
>> Or in many small towns, Wal Mart has driven the small grocers out of
>> business. Plus, you can get all the Wal Mart type stuff in the same
>> trip, i.e. a quart of oil. I run up to Wal Mart for milk and
>> half&half, when Aldi isn't open. They're closer and cheaper than the
>> supermarkets.
>> One really awful thing is their brined beef (enhanced with a
>> solution).
>
>
> One of my friends is visiting this weekend, and she owned a bicycle shop
> until Walmart opened Her store closed one year later, along with the
> store next door to her, which was a fabric store. This is why some
> communities do not care for Walmart.
>
>
> Becca

A small bicycle shop should have easily survived, they should have been
selling far superior products, be highly knowledeable about bicycle
technology, and service what they sell, Walmart sells mostly low end
bicycles and gives zero service. The same is true for a fabric store,
Walmart fabrics are garbage, and Walmart has no one who can give sewing
advice.

Most often the big box stores put the small privately owned specialty stores
out of business because for many years small neighborhood stores were the
only show in town and took advantage: they over charged and gave lousy
service, and many sold inferior products at large markup... I see that all
the time; paint store, hardware store, lumber yard, office supply store,
fabric store, window treatment stores. appliance store, the list is endless.
There is no reason to patronize a small neighborhood shop when they over
charge AND do not give service... most people will pay higher prices IF they
are properly serviced and not met with rudeness. The small neighborhood
stores disappeared because they were unwilling to respect their customers,
they never had to. However there are still plenty of small sole
proprietorships that do quite well, because they adjusted their attitude.
My small town had stores that didn't make it, the small Ace Hardware owner
was rude, just sat there, would never get up to help find something, when
you asked for something at best if he acknowleded your presence at all he'd
say in a begrudging tone to say end of aisle three... if you bought
something or not he never said thank you, come again. But we have a toy
store that beats toys r us all to heck, they give customers undivided
attention and their politeness is sincere. Small stores got knocked out of
business because they never should have been in business to begin with, but
often they were the only show in town... they didn't have the business
acumen to deal with competition... they're the type with the mindset that
believes sampling produce is bad... success in business is predicated on one
reaps what they sow. Our new toy store has been there three years, and has
already expanded to take over the next store space... whether their parents
buy something or not every kid that enters their store leaves with a free
complimentary toy... it's amazing how quickly a disappointed kid's tears
stop when a 25¢ waterpaint set is thrust in their hand, and how far that
goes towards people returning.

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>> there even though they hate it!
>>
>> Libby
>
> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>
> your pal,
> blake

But is it cheaper? My d-i-l bought some grocery items there thinking that
they would be cheaper and my regular SM was significantly cheaper.
They *advertise* that they have the lowest prices but does anyone check them
out? I strikes me that the vast majority of shoppers (J.B. Priestley's
"Admass") accept everything that they are told as truth.

blake murphy wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>
>> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
>> grocery shopping and how to save.
>>
>> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
>> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>>
>> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
>> of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>>
>> The top ten~
>>
>> 1. Wegmans
>> 2. Trader Joe's
>> 3. Publix
>> 4. Raley's
>> 5. Harris-Teeter
>> 6. Fareway
>> 7. Costco
>> 8. Whole Foods
>> 9. Market Basket
>>
>> The bottom ten~
>>
>> 49. Pick 'n Save
>> 50. Dominick's
>> 51. Tops Markets
>> 52. Pathmark
>> 53. Food Lion
>> 54. Giant
>> 55. Winn-Dixie
>> 56. Walmart Supercenter
>> 57. Shaw's
>> 58. A&P
>> 59. Waldbaum's
>>
>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>> there even though they hate it!
>>
>> Libby
>
> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>
> your pal,
> blake

No, just folks responding to big box marketing. I have been dragged into
walmart supercenters a couple times and know that it would definitely
cost more to buy the same stuff there.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:29:57 -0400, George wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>>
>>> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
>>> grocery shopping and how to save.
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>>> there even though they hate it!
>>>
>>> Libby
>>
>> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> No, just folks responding to big box marketing. I have been dragged into
> walmart supercenters a couple times and know that it would definitely
> cost more to buy the same stuff there.

actually, there is no wal-mart within striking distance of me. but even if
there was, i don't think i would go there unless it was for a specific
item, which wouldn't be groceries.

your pal,
blake

On 2009-04-04, blake murphy > wrote:

>> The top ten~
>>
>> 1. Wegmans
>> 2. Trader Joe's
>> 3. Publix
>> 4. Raley's
>> 5. Harris-Teeter
>> 6. Fareway
>> 7. Costco
>> 8. Whole Foods
>> 9. Market Basket

Total crap, as usual from CR. All those stores do the same thing. They
sell loss-leader items and screw you blind on the rest. Buy when on deep
sale. Ignore the rest.

nb

On Apr 4, 5:21*pm, notbob > wrote:
> On 2009-04-04, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> >> The top ten~
>
> >> 1. Wegmans
> >> 2. Trader Joe's
> >> 3. Publix
> >> 4. Raley's
> >> 5. Harris-Teeter
> >> 6. Fareway
> >> 7. Costco
> >> 8. Whole Foods
> >> 9. Market Basket
>
> Total crap, as usual from CR. *All those stores do the same thing. *They
> sell loss-leader items and screw you blind on the rest. *Buy when on deep
> sale. *Ignore the rest.

Shhhh! If there weren't folks who foolishly paid full price, you and
I couldn't get those loss leaders.
I mostly shop at Shop'n Save, a Supervalu chain.
>
> nb

--Bryan

On Apr 5, 5:23*am, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> On Apr 4, 5:21*pm, notbob > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2009-04-04, blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > >> The top ten~
>
> > >> 1. Wegmans
> > >> 2. Trader Joe's
> > >> 3. Publix
> > >> 4. Raley's
> > >> 5. Harris-Teeter
> > >> 6. Fareway
> > >> 7. Costco
> > >> 8. Whole Foods
> > >> 9. Market Basket
>
> > Total crap, as usual from CR. *All those stores do the same thing. *They
> > sell loss-leader items and screw you blind on the rest. *Buy when on deep
> > sale. *Ignore the rest.
>
> Shhhh! *If there weren't folks who foolishly paid full price, you and
> I couldn't get those loss leaders.

That would be me. I shop after work on Friday. I buy what I need
when
I need it. Always the same store. Always the same brands (although
most of what I buy is produce, dairy, and meat).

Of course, if something's on sale, I might buy an extra.

> I mostly shop at Shop'n Save, a Supervalu chain.

Hiller's a regional chain of about 6 stores. (So the CR
article wasn't very useful to me.)

Cindy Hamilton

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:

<snip>

> > 54. Giant
> > 55. Winn-Dixie
> > 56. Walmart Supercenter
> > 57. Shaw's
> > 58. A&P
> > 59. Waldbaum's
> >
> > I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
> > there even though they hate it!
> >
> > Libby
>
> either that or they don't have the money to go anywhere else.
>
> your pal,
> blake

The original Walmarts were located where there weren't any other places
to shop. Might still be the case?

"Arri London" > wrote in message
>
> The original Walmarts were located where there weren't any other places
> to shop. Might still be the case?

You may be right is the south where they started. Not the case at all here
in New England, one of the last areas they built. We still have plenty of
stores if Wal Mart went away, just as we did before they came. Many chains
have come and gone is the past 20 or 30 years though.

Ames
Bradley's
Two Guys
The Fair
Lechmere
Giant
Jumbo
Caldor
Zayres
Montgomery Ward
Filenes
Edward's
Finast
probably a bunch of others I've missed

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Arri London" > wrote in message
>> The original Walmarts were located where there weren't any other places
>> to shop. Might still be the case?
>
> You may be right is the south where they started. Not the case at all here
> in New England, one of the last areas they built. We still have plenty of
> stores if Wal Mart went away, just as we did before they came. Many chains
> have come and gone is the past 20 or 30 years though.
>
> Ames
> Bradley's
> Two Guys
> The Fair
> Lechmere
> Giant
> Jumbo
> Caldor
> Zayres
> Montgomery Ward
> Filenes
> Edward's
> Finast
> probably a bunch of others I've missed
>
>
Jordan Marsh...

Your list brings back memories.

--
Jean B.

On Apr 5, 8:35*am, "Jean B." > wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > "Arri London" > wrote in message
> >> The original Walmarts were located where there weren't any other places
> >> to shop. Might still be the case?
>
> > You may be right is the south where they started. *Not the case at all here
> > in New England, one of the last areas they built. *We still have plenty of
> > stores if Wal Mart went away, just as we did before they came. * Many chains
> > have come and gone is the past 20 or 30 years though.
>
> > Ames
> > Bradley's
> > Two Guys
> > The Fair
> > Lechmere
> > Giant
> > Jumbo
> > Caldor
> > Zayres
> > Montgomery Ward
> > Filenes
> > Edward's
> > Finast
> > probably a bunch of others I've missed
>
> Jordan Marsh...
>
> Your list brings back memories.

Jean, you read my mind. A tad more local, but Almacs Supermarkets,
Bread & Circus ( bought out by Whole Paycheck), Further afield, Steve
and Barry's <?> a sports clothes store.

maxine in ri

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> The original Walmarts were located where there weren't any other places
> to shop. Might still be the case?

Right. All those people sat around naked and ate dirt because there wasn't
any place to shop? Of course there were places to shop. They just weren't
mega coporation marts.

Not only were there places to shop but they were owned by the same people
that lived in the community. People worked in those places. Those places
to shop bought their goods from manufacturers and farmers in other
communities. And so on and so on.

Now there's only mega corp and they buy everything you could need from
China. The wages at mega corp are so low the people that used to have
decent paying jobs and could afford to shop at local stores can only afford
to shop at mega corp and that's only because the other people in their
community help support them with food stamps and medicaid.

And now mega corp is so large and bloated they're spreading like some kind
of disease. They have put so many small stores and manufacturers out of
business they have become the only place to shop.

But they were most definitely not the only place to shop to start with. It
took concerted effort on their part to make it that way.

Ms P

Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
> grocery shopping and how to save.
>
> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>
> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87
> out of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>
> The top ten~
>
> 1. Wegmans

That's a nice supermarket chain, that's for sure.

> 2. Trader Joe's
> 3. Publix
> 4. Raley's
> 5. Harris-Teeter
> 6. Fareway
> 7. Costco
> 8. Whole Foods
> 9. Market Basket
>
> The bottom ten~
>
> 49. Pick 'n Save
> 50. Dominick's
> 51. Tops Markets
> 52. Pathmark
> 53. Food Lion
> 54. Giant
> 55. Winn-Dixie
> 56. Walmart Supercenter
> 57. Shaw's
> 58. A&P
> 59. Waldbaum's
>
> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
> there even though they hate it!

From what I've seen and heard, there are a lot of people living
where there isn't any choice than shop there.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> Fred/Libby Barclay wrote:
>> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
>> grocery shopping and how to save.
>>
>> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
>> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>>
>> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87
>> out of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>>
>> The top ten~
>>
>> 1. Wegmans
>
> That's a nice supermarket chain, that's for sure.
>> 2. Trader Joe's
>> 3. Publix
>> 4. Raley's
>> 5. Harris-Teeter
>> 6. Fareway
>> 7. Costco
>> 8. Whole Foods
>> 9. Market Basket
>>
>> The bottom ten~
>>
>> 49. Pick 'n Save
>> 50. Dominick's
>> 51. Tops Markets
>> 52. Pathmark
>> 53. Food Lion
>> 54. Giant
>> 55. Winn-Dixie
>> 56. Walmart Supercenter
>> 57. Shaw's
>> 58. A&P
>> 59. Waldbaum's
>>
>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>> there even though they hate it!
>
> From what I've seen and heard, there are a lot of people living
> where there isn't any choice than shop there.
>
> nancy

That's always been a problem I've had with CR. A majority if their "top
choices" of products they review are frequently not available to the average
consumer.

gilb wrote:

> That's always been a problem I've had with CR. A majority if their "top
> choices" of products they review are frequently not available to the
> average consumer.

Such as? I've never experienced that problem (if it is one?) I'm pretty
darn average.... lol.<wonders if that is something to aspire to?>

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 16:43:00 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> gilb wrote:
>
>> That's always been a problem I've had with CR. A majority if their "top
>> choices" of products they review are frequently not available to the
>> average consumer.
>
> Such as? I've never experienced that problem (if it is one?)

when i was thinking of buying a new computer last spring, at least two of
their top choices (budget division) weren't available anywhere, even
online. this was maybe two months after the issue came out.

but the only thing i've heard that they routinely suck at evaluating is
audio equipment. i do check out (when possible) what they have to say
about small appliances and the like.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:29:49 -0400, (Fred/Libby
Barclay) wrote:

>I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>there even though they hate it!

I don't buy Walmart meats, Libby for the obvious reasons. Their
produce is no cheaper than other groceries. But I do by all my
canned goods. Del Monte, Dole, Bush, Stokley brands are always 25 to
30 cents cheaper than any near by grocery. Old El Paso brands are
particularly cheaper since you would think you were in Tijuana on a
Saturday morning.

On Sat 04 Apr 2009 06:29:49a, Fred/Libby Barclay told us...

>
> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
> grocery shopping and how to save.
>
> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>
> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
> of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>
> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
> there even though they hate it!
>
> Libby

Only three of the top ten are in my area; Trader Joes, Costco, and Whole
Foods. I don't consider Trader Joes and Whole foods for general shopping,
and Costco sells almost everything in quantities too large to be practical
for two people.

Walmart Supercenter is the only one of the bottom ten in our area. We do
shop there once a month or so for certain staples where the prices are
better and the quantity is reasonable. However, we also have WalMart
Neighborhood Markets, which are structured more like a regular supermarket
and seem to have higher quality items in produce, etc.

In our area, Fry's, Safeway, and Albertson's are the major national chains,
as well as a local chain called Basha's. We shop mostly at Basha's, Fry's,
or Safeway, in that order.

--
Wayne Boatwright

"One man's meat is another man's poison"
- Oswald Dykes, English writer, 1709.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 04 Apr 2009 06:29:49a, Fred/Libby Barclay told us...
>
>> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
>> grocery shopping and how to save.
>>
>> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
>> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>>
>> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
>> of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>>
>> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. People must shop
>> there even though they hate it!
>>
>> Libby
>
> Only three of the top ten are in my area; Trader Joes, Costco, and Whole
> Foods. I don't consider Trader Joes and Whole foods for general shopping,
> and Costco sells almost everything in quantities too large to be practical
> for two people.
>
> Walmart Supercenter is the only one of the bottom ten in our area. We do
> shop there once a month or so for certain staples where the prices are
> better and the quantity is reasonable. However, we also have WalMart
> Neighborhood Markets, which are structured more like a regular supermarket
> and seem to have higher quality items in produce, etc.
>
> In our area, Fry's, Safeway, and Albertson's are the major national chains,
> as well as a local chain called Basha's. We shop mostly at Basha's, Fry's,
> or Safeway, in that order.
>
We have Shaw's too. I would be curious to know the rating of Stop
& Shop. That and Shaw's are the usual grocery stores here.
Market Basket, Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods too. The MB that is
near here is just awful, so I have an irrational prejudice against
it. A pity because it is cheaper. Therefore, I do find myself
going there more these days.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> We have Shaw's too. I would be curious to know the rating of Stop &
> Shop. That and Shaw's are the usual grocery stores here. Market Basket,
> Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods too. The MB that is near here is just
> awful, so I have an irrational prejudice against it. A pity because it
> is cheaper. Therefore, I do find myself going there more these days.
>

Which one is that Jean? Just curious - so I know to avoid it. We usually
shop at one in Nashua.

-Tracy

Tracy wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> We have Shaw's too. I would be curious to know the rating of Stop &
>> Shop. That and Shaw's are the usual grocery stores here. Market
>> Basket, Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods too. The MB that is near here
>> is just awful, so I have an irrational prejudice against it. A pity
>> because it is cheaper. Therefore, I do find myself going there more
>> these days.
>>
>
> Which one is that Jean? Just curious - so I know to avoid it. We usually
> shop at one in Nashua.
>
> -Tracy

This one is in Burlington, Mass. Near the almost-closed Expo, and
the closed Linens n Things, if you are at all familiar with the
area. If you are not, perhaps you will venture out after H-Mart
opens. It will have a food court like our favorite Super 88. Now
I read it will also have nonfood stalls!!!!! I am glad I am still
close enough to avail myself of this!

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> Tracy wrote:
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>> We have Shaw's too. I would be curious to know the rating of Stop &
>>> Shop. That and Shaw's are the usual grocery stores here. Market
>>> Basket, Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods too. The MB that is near here
>>> is just awful, so I have an irrational prejudice against it. A pity
>>> because it is cheaper. Therefore, I do find myself going there more
>>> these days.
>>>
>>
>> Which one is that Jean? Just curious - so I know to avoid it. We
>> usually shop at one in Nashua.
>>
>> -Tracy
>
> This one is in Burlington, Mass. Near the almost-closed Expo, and the
> closed Linens n Things, if you are at all familiar with the area. If
> you are not, perhaps you will venture out after H-Mart opens. It will
> have a food court like our favorite Super 88. Now I read it will also
> have nonfood stalls!!!!! I am glad I am still close enough to avail
> myself of this!
>

Ahh, Burlington. I think that is the one the DH dislikes the most. I
don't go to Burlington much except for the mall.

If H-Mart ever opens, I will definitely be visiting more often. The
Super 88 is such a downer these days...

-Tracy

On Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:28:05 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> Tracy wrote:
>> Jean B. wrote:
>>> We have Shaw's too. I would be curious to know the rating of Stop &
>>> Shop. That and Shaw's are the usual grocery stores here. Market
>>> Basket, Trader Joe's, and Whole Foods too. The MB that is near here
>>> is just awful, so I have an irrational prejudice against it. A pity
>>> because it is cheaper. Therefore, I do find myself going there more
>>> these days.
>>>
>>
>> Which one is that Jean? Just curious - so I know to avoid it. We usually
>> shop at one in Nashua.
>>
>> -Tracy
>
> This one is in Burlington, Mass. Near the almost-closed Expo, and
> the closed Linens n Things, if you are at all familiar with the
> area. If you are not, perhaps you will venture out after H-Mart
> opens. It will have a food court like our favorite Super 88. Now
> I read it will also have nonfood stalls!!!!! I am glad I am still
> close enough to avail myself of this!

if it's anything like the h-mart near me (wheaton, md - listed as silver
spring for some reason), you're in for a treat. jesus, they have a lot of
stuff! it's tilted towards korean.

your pal,
blake

"Fred/Libby Barclay" > wrote in message
> 7. Costco
> 8. Whole Foods
> 9. Market Basket

> 56. Walmart Supercenter

Interesting groupings. The first three listed here do not compete with each
other head to head but each has a purpose. Much of what is available at
one store is not available at the others. We don't have a Costco, but BJ's
is close to it in concept. They get the majority of our grocery money for
chicken parts, whole pork loins, cleaning supplies, paper goods. Whole
Foods gets a portion, mostly for their selection of cheeses that the other
two don't carry, the special cuts of meat or fish, the selection of oils,
vinegars and the like. Market Basket gets the every day loaf of bread, the
jar of mayo that lasts a long time so we don't buy the 5 gallon pail at the
warehouse store. Wal Mart is OK for canned stuff but I won't buy meats there
as they are adulterated. They are my last choice for anything.

On Apr 4, 9:29*am, (Fred/Libby Barclay) wrote:
> I received my Consumer Reports magazine yesterday, and it's all about
> grocery shopping and how to save.
>
> They surveyed 32,599 people and the rankings are based on service,
> perishables (quality of meat and produce), price and cleanliness.
>
> They have 59 stores listed, with the highest overall score being 87 out
> of 100, and the lowest being 64.
>
> The top ten~
>
> 1. Wegmans
> 2. Trader Joe's
> 3. Publix
> 4. Raley's
> 5. Harris-Teeter
> 6. Fareway
> 7. Costco
> 8. Whole Foods
> 9. Market Basket
>
> The bottom ten~
>
> 49. Pick 'n Save
> 50. Dominick's
> 51. Tops Markets
> 52. Pathmark
> 53. Food Lion
> 54. Giant
> 55. Winn-Dixie
> 56. Walmart Supercenter
> 57. Shaw's
> 58. A&P
> 59. Waldbaum's
>
> I thought it was interesting how low Walmart scored. *People must shop
> there even though they hate it!
>
> Libby

I would LOVE to have a Wegmans, a Trader Joes, a Whole Paycheck,
whoops, I meant Whole Foods, and Costco.
It galls me that we're in the capitol of Delaware and have none of
these. I wouldn't even mind if we only had to go 30 miles for them,
but they're all at least 50 miles away.
We have many of the lowest on the totem pole. It's a shame!!