On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:59 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:36:23 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:04:13 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:57:05 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gee, I am surprised you can't find this. The brand is Lan Chi,
>>>>>> IIRC. That may help. I guess I'm glad I have a jar I just opened
>>>>>> recently if it is going to be hard or impossible to find.
>>>>> Are you sure it's paste and not sauce? I can find chili *sauce* with
>>>>> garlic very easily. It's not the same taste.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, it's paste.
>>> Great! Where do you find it?
>>>
>>> I used to just pick it up at my regular market. I found a thread on
>>> ChowHound that tells me I'm not crazy... it *is* hard to find here.
>>> Other threads I found say it's hard to find elsewhere too.
>>
>> whereat is 'here'? there should be a staggering variety at any asian
>> market.
>>
>> jean b. - i have a jar of the lan chi in my refrigerator. what do you
>> usually use it for?
>>
>> i usually find myself using the szechuan brand hot bean paste:
>>
>> <http://www.myethnicworld.com/p-632-bean-sauce-hot-szechuan-style.aspx>
>>
>> ...which also comes in a smaller-sized can. the sweet bean is good, too.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Oh, gee. Probably stuff off the top of my head now. It seems to
> me one of my Chinese cookbooks, that was on the cusp of the red
> pepper flake and paste/sauce revolution called for this. I'll
> have to unbury those books and look. I think you have Delfs, so
> it must not be that. Do you have Mrs. Chiang?

you have a good memory. yes, i have delfs, but i'd not heard of mrs.
chaing's. the folks revieing at amazon seem to like it a lot. i think
i'll order a used copy.

i also have 'the people's republic of china cookbook,' but the recipes seem
under-spiced to me.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:59 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 08:36:23 -0700, sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:04:13 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> sf wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:57:05 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gee, I am surprised you can't find this. The brand is Lan Chi,
>>>>>>> IIRC. That may help. I guess I'm glad I have a jar I just opened
>>>>>>> recently if it is going to be hard or impossible to find.
>>>>>> Are you sure it's paste and not sauce? I can find chili *sauce* with
>>>>>> garlic very easily. It's not the same taste.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it's paste.
>>>> Great! Where do you find it?
>>>>
>>>> I used to just pick it up at my regular market. I found a thread on
>>>> ChowHound that tells me I'm not crazy... it *is* hard to find here.
>>>> Other threads I found say it's hard to find elsewhere too.
>>> whereat is 'here'? there should be a staggering variety at any asian
>>> market.
>>>
>>> jean b. - i have a jar of the lan chi in my refrigerator. what do you
>>> usually use it for?
>>>
>>> i usually find myself using the szechuan brand hot bean paste:
>>>
>>> <http://www.myethnicworld.com/p-632-bean-sauce-hot-szechuan-style.aspx>
>>>
>>> ...which also comes in a smaller-sized can. the sweet bean is good, too.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>> Oh, gee. Probably stuff off the top of my head now. It seems to
>> me one of my Chinese cookbooks, that was on the cusp of the red
>> pepper flake and paste/sauce revolution called for this. I'll
>> have to unbury those books and look. I think you have Delfs, so
>> it must not be that. Do you have Mrs. Chiang?
>
> you have a good memory. yes, i have delfs, but i'd not heard of mrs.
> chaing's. the folks revieing at amazon seem to like it a lot. i think
> i'll order a used copy.
>
> i also have 'the people's republic of china cookbook,' but the recipes seem
> under-spiced to me.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Okay. I'll try to unbury my shelved Chinese cookbooks. I must
have learned about it somewhere....

Okay, I may have learned about it from Chiang. In the ingredients
section, she lists hot pepper paste. Part of that entry is:
"Back in Szechwan, Mrs. Chiang's mother made her own hot pepper
paste; here in America, we buy it. Chinese grocery stores sell
the stuff in jars imported from Taiwan under a variety of labels;
the most common one is 'hot chili paste with garlic.' "

It is also mentioned in the ingredients section of Claiborne and
Lee's "The Chinese Cookbook."

More recently, "The Shun Lee Cookbook" by Michael Tong, lists this
along with hot bean sauce. Note that Tong recommends Hai Pao Wang
brand, which I have never seen around the Boston area.

I wish I could access my old book on Asian ingredients by Bruce
Cost, but it is on the top of a high bookcase--and barricaded too!
I am sure there are many more references to this in my various
Chinese and Asian cookbooks, though. I think using it is a matter
of habit, to some degree.

I remember Delf's because so few people seem to know about it. It
was really revolutionary when it came out!

--
Jean B.

On Apr 8, 3:22*am, Mike™ > wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:54:01 GMT, "CC"
>
> > wrote:
> >With there having been several posts and threads about
> >frugal meals and cooking in hard times
>
> but do remember only go this way if times are personally hard, the
> recession is partly caused by people in jobs stopping spending.

Right. I lose half my IRA, start stashing away more money is what is
hopefully safer venues to make up for it, and thus have less
discretionary funds to go out to eat or buy goodies, and thus the
recession is my fault. Sounds perfectly plausible. NOT!

maxine in ri

blake wrote:

> you think the war in iraq and eavesdropping on citizens (a felony, by the
> way) were *good* things, and *i'm* naive? please.

I'll address those in reverse order, since the answer to the second one is
fairly short:

1. The claim is that no wiretaps were authorized on U.S. citizens. If that's
true it would technically not be a breach of any citizens' rights. Is it
true? Doubtful, but that's how the authorizations were granted.

2. Under the terms of Iraq's surrender following the liberation of Kuwait,
Iraq was not supposed to militarily engage any reconnaissance or search
operations, nor to impede the U.N. inspectors in any way. Hussein's regime
violated the terms of its surrender EVERY SINGLE DAY, and I personally
witnessed it. Some of those violations are cited in the Wikipedia article on
Operation Southern Watch. (I was a daily participant in that operation.)
Regardless of the existence or nonexistence of WMD, that fact alone
justified the war: If you fail to abide by the provisions of your surrender,
then in essence you haven't surrendered at all, and the war should continue
until you REALLY surrender.

The biggest mistake in Iraq was in not having a viable plan for the
aftermath of the conquest. The military plan was superb, but the political
plan was shit. The State Department had utterly failed to learn the lesson
of Yugoslavia after Tito's death, and so failed to predict what should have
been obvious: In a sudden power vacuum, people start killing each other in
an effort to gain ascendancy.

I personally see no need for Iraq to continue as a unified country; I think
it ought to be partitioned along the natural ethnic/religious lines, with
one partition given to the Sunni, another to the Shia, and a third to the
Kurds. Problem is, everybody wants the Kurdish section because that's where
the most oil is and it's a fairly temperate climate.

Concern about Iran and its fanatical theocracy also drives much of our
political actions in that territory, but I personally see it as a secondary
consideration to achieving stability in the area.

Bob

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:35:09 -0400, Jean B. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:40:59 -0400, Jean B. wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>> Oh, gee. Probably stuff off the top of my head now. It seems to
>>> me one of my Chinese cookbooks, that was on the cusp of the red
>>> pepper flake and paste/sauce revolution called for this. I'll
>>> have to unbury those books and look. I think you have Delfs, so
>>> it must not be that. Do you have Mrs. Chiang?
>>
>> you have a good memory. yes, i have delfs, but i'd not heard of mrs.
>> chaing's. the folks revieing at amazon seem to like it a lot. i think
>> i'll order a used copy.
>>
>> i also have 'the people's republic of china cookbook,' but the recipes seem
>> under-spiced to me.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
> I wish I could access my old book on Asian ingredients by Bruce
> Cost, but it is on the top of a high bookcase--and barricaded too!

i would buy that if i wasn't so cheap.

>
> I remember Delf's because so few people seem to know about it. It
> was really revolutionary when it came out!

delf's is easily my most-stained cookbook.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:36:37 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> blake wrote:
>
>> you think the war in iraq and eavesdropping on citizens (a felony, by the
>> way) were *good* things, and *i'm* naive? please.
>
> I'll address those in reverse order, since the answer to the second one is
> fairly short:
>
> 1. The claim is that no wiretaps were authorized on U.S. citizens. If that's
> true it would technically not be a breach of any citizens' rights. Is it
> true? Doubtful, but that's how the authorizations were granted.
>

but they were freely authorized *when one person in the conversation was
overseas*. there is really no doubt now that citizens were illegally
surveilled. don't forget that in 2004, some of the aspects of the program
were so outrageous that ashcroft, comey, mueller (not exactly civil
liberties fanatics) and other top DOJ officials threatened to resign *en
masse* if they continued.

> 2. Under the terms of Iraq's surrender following the liberation of Kuwait,
> Iraq was not supposed to militarily engage any reconnaissance or search
> operations, nor to impede the U.N. inspectors in any way. Hussein's regime
> violated the terms of its surrender EVERY SINGLE DAY, and I personally
> witnessed it. Some of those violations are cited in the Wikipedia article on
> Operation Southern Watch. (I was a daily participant in that operation.)
> Regardless of the existence or nonexistence of WMD, that fact alone
> justified the war: If you fail to abide by the provisions of your surrender,
> then in essence you haven't surrendered at all, and the war should continue
> until you REALLY surrender.
>

i don't care if there was a bogus *casus belli* or not. the question was,
do you think those were both good things for the united states? it is to
laugh.

your pal,
blake