cshenk wrote:
>
> Hehe You'd love and be weirded out by my occasional dinner parties then.
> It's just a bunch of friends, all who know one another. Some need low-salt,
> some are diabetics, some have religious restrictions (One I even have to use
> non-wine based vinegars). So I'll have 4-6 people plus us 3. I'll make 2
> mains and some substantial sides and enough of something I know each likes
> to be sure it all goes around.
>
> Others will bring a side dish and generally know if it's acceptable to the
> others or what they added that may be a problem. Like Mary making her
> Mac-n-cheese with Ham, she'll leave the ham out if Sadie and Art are the
> main other guests (jewish, not overtly observant but they keep off the pork
> and obvious seafoods). If it's Raine and John, we avoid all alcohol
> (including wine vinegars) in one of the main dishes. If Jeane and Steve, we
> need a main dish that is vegetarian (Kidney cancer diet, low protein
> required).
>


But what you describe is NEED-based, either medical or
religious, not
capricious picky for the sake of being indulged.

gloria p

Mr. Bill wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:35:36 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>>Heh. Your mother would have been left to "find her own way" to
>>(wherever) in my house...
>
> Yes.....but when you are the kid and she is the 'MOM', you must
> remember that she has the check book and the drivers license. When
> you are ten, you don't get to argue the point.

True enough. I haven't been a kid for so long I didn't think about it
that way ;-)

But now that you've got me going down memory lane... When I was a kid,
one of my Mom's friends used to say that it was 'fashionable' to be
late. Mom told me that was a load of BS. She said her friend only did
it so she could make a 'grand entrance' and feel important when she was
always the last one to arrive at any of their social gatherings. <g>
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
"Sorry Dear, dinner is late, had to reboot the stove." -mrr

In article >,
"Nexis" > wrote:

> > <lol> If I am serving some specific dinner guests, I'll happily discuss
> > the menu with them (usually via e-mail) prior to their visit, and cook
> > according to their wishes.
> >
> > I consider it to be a challenge.
> >
> > It's why we ended up with grilled shark steak for Christmas dinner
> > instead of roast ham. :-) They are not "picky" eaters per se', but they
> > have a specific set of dietary guidelines they prefer to follow, and
> > fortunately they are similar to mine, just a bit more strict.
> >
> > They brought some fresh greens from their garden that xxx and I prepped
> > for steaming while I was getting everything else ready.
> >
> > I don't mind doing that. I don't often cook "fancy" for myself, but I
> > love to cook for an appreciative audience and would rather they enjoy
> > something instead of eating it to be polite. Truly!
> >
> > And I love it that they went back for "seconds". ;-) I put the extra
> > food on the table so they could help themselves.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
>
>
> Oh finally, some sense speaks out! hehe!
> I seriously don't understand that mentality of "You Will Eat It And You Will
> LIKE It"...what nonsense. Why would you prefer to force food on someone that
> wouldn't enjoy it rather than prepare a meal you would all enjoy? Makes no
> sense to me. Ah well. Can't please 'em all!
>
> So now, about this shark dinner...what did you do with the shark? Marinade?
> Sauce? My sister in law is now vegetarian, but back in the day she made an
> awesome grilled shark steak with a citrus sauce.
>
> kimberly

I have an electric grill that I use a lot for meat. The steaks were not
marinated, just topped liberally with ground lemon peel and dill weed,
then I placed some thinly sliced fresh lime over the top of that before
closing them into the grill for 3 minutes. Shark steak cooks fast.

The citrus flavor soaked well thru the meat and after removing the
sliced lime, the lemon peel had softened so made a light crust with the
dill on top. Grant asked me if it was bread crumbs as the texture came
out like that. :-)

They were delicious and I plan to repeat that one!

It's a Hamilton Beach grill, similar to a Foreman. Clamshell type so
the meat cooks fast by cooking top and bottom at the same time.

The rest of the meal was lightly sauteed mushrooms with celery and more
dill, served alongside their steamed fresh greens. It released enough
juice (you know how mushrooms are) that I added just a little corn
starch slurry to thicken that into a sauce for them.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"Cheryl" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> <snip>
>
> > I repeat my question: Is there a difference between a fussy eater and a
> > picky eater? How would you describe the differences?
>
> To me, there is no difference between fussy or picky. However, when I was
> glancing over the topics today I almost skipped this thread because it read
> to me as "Pussy Eater". LOL I even missed Easter rather than Eater in my
> misreading of it.


LOL! And *I* missed Easter ‹ it's supposed to be Eater! Jeez.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - good news 4-6-2009
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Mr. Bill wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:35:36 +0200, ChattyCathy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Heh. Your mother would have been left to "find her own way" to
>>> (wherever) in my house...
>> Yes.....but when you are the kid and she is the 'MOM', you must
>> remember that she has the check book and the drivers license. When
>> you are ten, you don't get to argue the point.
>
> True enough. I haven't been a kid for so long I didn't think about it
> that way ;-)
>
> But now that you've got me going down memory lane... When I was a kid,
> one of my Mom's friends used to say that it was 'fashionable' to be
> late. Mom told me that was a load of BS. She said her friend only did
> it so she could make a 'grand entrance' and feel important when she was
> always the last one to arrive at any of their social gatherings. <g>


On the other hand, my husband always wants to arrive at a
party, dinner, etc.
at the exact time stated on the invitation. We had friends
who were always late
coming to our house. When we arrived "on time" at their
gatherings, we'd often
find them in the shower or not even that far along yet.
She'd look down her nose
and say "Oh, yeah. You guys are always on time."

It's hard to know what to do about that. Do you arrive on
time but 1/2 hour ahead of
all the other guests, or do you arrive 15 minutes "late"
when everyone else is getting there.
Either choice can give a host the fits.

gloria p

Barb wrote:

> Here is what Kimberly said:
>
> "I was about to write, "I consider myself a picky eater"...but really,
> it's everyone around me that considers me a picky eater. I've tried
> pointing out to them that I am actually not picky, I just like what I
> like and don't like what I don't. They didn't buy it. I admit that I do
> have a touch of OCD when it comes to certain foods. Corn, for example.
> Whether on the cob or off, nothing but butter, salt & pepper should
> ever touch my corn. No creamed corn, no corn is soups or stews, and for
> the love of all things Holy, do *not* mix the corn in with the taters
> and gravy!
<snip>
> I am inclined to call Kimberly a fussy eater while I describe my
> son-in-law as a picky eater. Kimberly's peculiarities make me roll my
> eyes and say, "Ohfer. . . ! Whatever" and my son-in-law's leave me
> grumbling about how I am to prepare a dish to satisfy his peculiarities,
> a big one of which is about textures. He wants Prego out of a jar with
> ground beef browned and added but heaven forfend if the amendment to the
> jarred stuff should included chopped onion or celery. I want to say,
> "Ohfercrissake, just eat it, will you?"
>
> Would my well known disdain for that which is beety put me into one of
> the two categories?


Kimberly's main issue seems to be how the food is arranged on the plate.
Your son-in-law's issues are with the food itself.

Your hatred of beets makes you a teutlophobe, but your other qualities
presumably make you acceptable in polite company. :-)

Bob

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> Kimberly's reply in Jill's thread, "Let's Talk About Picky Eater's Again
> <G>" got me to wondering if there is a difference between picky and
> fussy. In my mind there is, but I am having a difficult time
> articulating it.

I thought there was a difference. I read the other posts. No, there
isn't a distinct, definable difference. I looked at my dictionary,
which I do often. The first word used in the definition of both was
"fastidious". Well, that was a clue. The first example in both related
to food. OK. The thesaurus entry for "fussy" cited "picky", although
at the end. There was no thesaurus entry for "picky".

[deleted what Kimberly posted]

[deleted most of the rest]

> I repeat my question: Is there a difference between a fussy eater and a
> picky eater? How would you describe the differences?

Don't think so, after a day's reflection.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"[Don't] assume that someone is "broken" just because they behave in ways
you don't like or don't understand." --Miche

Gloria wrote:

> On the other hand, my husband always wants to arrive at a party, dinner,
> etc. at the exact time stated on the invitation. We had friends who were
> always late coming to our house. When we arrived "on time" at their
> gatherings, we'd often find them in the shower or not even that far along
> yet. She'd look down her nose and say "Oh, yeah. You guys are always on
> time."
>
> It's hard to know what to do about that. Do you arrive on time but 1/2
> hour ahead of all the other guests, or do you arrive 15 minutes "late"
> when everyone else is getting there. Either choice can give a host the
> fits.

There's an old Far Side cartoon showing a towel-clad woman opening the front
door to greet a Neanderthal standing outside with a bouquet of flowers. The
caption is "Early Man."

I normally plan to show up right on time, but if I have any doubt about the
situation I'll call shortly before I arrive and say it looks like I'll be
there in a few minutes, but if I'm early, can I stop off along the way and
pick up anything they might have forgotten?

Bob

"Puester" > wrote in message
...
> jmcquown wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>> *It is a big deal if you get maple syrup on my bacon. Don't
>>>>> go there. Heh.
>>>
>>>> But maple syrup and bacon just GO TOGETHER! LOL.
>>>
>>> Don't make me come over there!! (laugh) I'll hurt you!
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm with you on this one. Don't give me "maple cured" bacon, either.
>> Maple belongs on pancakes or waffles, not on bacon.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> Maple bacon or sausage are deeeee-licious.
>
> gloria p



Just goes to show everyone's taste is different. I dislike maple cured
bacon and sausage. If someone served it to me in their home I wouldn't
complain. I don't choose to buy it, though.

Jill

Nancy2 wrote:

> I'm from the "I-O-Way, Where the Tall Corn Grows."

Dammit, now I've got that song running through my head...

Bob

On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:10:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
> Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
>> Kimberly's reply in Jill's thread, "Let's Talk About Picky Eater's Again
>> <G>" got me to wondering if there is a difference between picky and
>> fussy. In my mind there is, but I am having a difficult time
>> articulating it.
>
>I thought there was a difference. I read the other posts. No, there
>isn't a distinct, definable difference. I looked at my dictionary,
>which I do often. The first word used in the definition of both was
>"fastidious". Well, that was a clue. The first example in both related
>to food. OK. The thesaurus entry for "fussy" cited "picky", although
>at the end. There was no thesaurus entry for "picky".
>
You do make frequent use of your dictionary, and I've often been
grateful for that. But in this case, might we look at the verbs
related to those two adjectives and get a bit beyond a dictionary's
authority? I say this because of one of Kimberly's posts in this
thread. I recall that she told Barb that she would never make a fuss
over something that was served to her.

I know that "fuss" is a noun in that construction, but one might fuss
(verb) in certain circumstances. The child sitting next to me at the
restaurant tonight certainly fussed, and more's the pity. There's
also the "fussing over x like a mother hen" construction, which
carries something of an air of condescension towards whichever mother
hen is under discussion.

Fussing is never pleasant in my experience. It is socially
disruptive, or at best it's behavior one dismisses as silly.

But when it comes to picking, I can see an alternative. I might pick
on somebody, and if I do, it's not pleasant -- socially disruptive. On
the other hand, I might pick a teammate in a game. Hard feelings may
arise from picking you over Blake to respond to in a discussion of
being picky, but they may not. I might pick the salmon for dinner and
the waiter and the cook and the salmon won't care, all things being
equal (and the salmon already dead). This seems to be a little like
"picking only the finest ingredients" and "picking the corn when it's
ripe", which may offer a clue to a certain neutrality for at least
some of the uses of the adjective "picky."

I might just pick at my food, which makes for a nuanced situation. Why
do I pick? (Is this like asking why am I picky? Not exactly. It's
more like asking why am I picky under these circumtances.) Numerous
reasons for picking come to mind. I might be ill or upset or simply
not hungry. Or I might not like what was served. In this last case,
I'm picky because I've sampled the wares and found them wanting like
corn not yet ready to pick or an ingredient not determined to be the
finest.

Some of those reasons for picking are unpleasant (illness, being
upset) others are rather neutral (not hungry, don't like the dish).
Outside the possibility that I have some power over the cook (I'm king
and he must please my palate or die), my just not liking a dish and
therefore picking at it would seem to constitute a more nearly neutral
case than at least some other instances of "picking" and most uses of
"fussing."

In one instance, I didn't eat much. In the other, I actively sought
confrontation.
>
>> I repeat my question: Is there a difference between a fussy eater and a
>> picky eater? How would you describe the differences?
>
>Don't think so, after a day's reflection.

Might the verbs help us choose the adjectives?

OB Dictionaries. Have you read Simon Winchester's book "The Professor
and the Madman?" One of the most prolific contributors to the first
edition of the OED was a homicidal madman! A review can be had he
http://www.salon.com/books/sneaks/1998/09/03sneaks.html
--

modom

"Anny Middon" ha scritto nel messaggio > Ever since then I haven't
refrained from making a dish with nuts in it when
> she was a guest. She never said anything, but if she had I would have
> told her to pretend it was pecan pie.
>
> Anny

I love your stories! My experience has been a lot like yours. BUT I
respect allergies, religious restrictions and intolerances. My kid has a
terrible sensitivity to iodine which precludes all seafoods, so I obviously
ask others if they have any of these problems. I also don't mind a bit if
someone at table skips a dish I made.
>
>

Puester wrote:
>
>
> On the other hand, my husband always wants to arrive at a
> party, dinner, etc.
> at the exact time stated on the invitation. We had friends
> who were always late
> coming to our house. When we arrived "on time" at their
> gatherings, we'd often
> find them in the shower or not even that far along yet.
> She'd look down her nose
> and say "Oh, yeah. You guys are always on time."

Good grief. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

>
> It's hard to know what to do about that. Do you arrive on
> time but 1/2 hour ahead of
> all the other guests, or do you arrive 15 minutes "late"
> when everyone else is getting there.
> Either choice can give a host the fits.

FWIW, I won't look down my nose at you if you arrive on time at my
house ;-)

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy
"Sorry Dear, dinner is late, had to reboot the stove." -mrr

"Nexis" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote

>> Hehe You'd love and be weirded out by my occasional dinner parties then.
>> It's just a bunch of friends, all who know one another. Some need
(snip)
>> We aint even faintly bashful about telling one another what we can't or
>> won't eat.

> Sounds like a great way to do it, for certain. I always ask about health
> restrictions. I'm a diabetic, so I know there are things that are going to
> adversely affect me and I avoid those, regardless of who's cooking or
> serving, and anyone who didn't understand that, well, I'm not likely to be
> dining with them! ;-)

Ah, you'd be easy. I'd just ask which diet type you need. Some for example
eat a high protein, low carb (think Atkins and that's real close). Others
need weight loss and low carb. Some can handle 1/2 cup pasta/rice/potatoes
(some cant, and some can handle more).

> My brother's physician put him on a no-fermentation regiment with his
> health issues, and that was a little trickier than I had imagined, because
> at first glance you don't realize how many foods involve some form of
> fermentation! No wine, no vinegar, no yeast products, etc. We managed
> though!

Thats an interesting one! Still, if you saw the meal we did last weekend,
you both fit though I'd have adapted the pork loin saucing to remove the
vinegar and he'd have to skip the sushi rice (I'd pull a cup to the side and
we could keep it in the steamer for him). I'd also make the rice balls
smaller so you could easily guage how much was appropriate for you and
nibble at least 1 without feeling guilty (grin).

Say, if I made them all about 3 TB size. You could nibble part of one for
curiosity if you wanted. He'd have to skip the rice balls and sushi rice
but the rest would fit. The wine would be out for both of you but I'd
probably make a spiced tea option with a stick of cinnimon instead. (sugar
or diabetic acceptable sweetner on the side, suit yourself).

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Anny Middon" ha scritto nel messaggio > Ever since then I haven't
> refrained from making a dish with nuts in it when
>> she was a guest. She never said anything, but if she had I would have
>> told her to pretend it was pecan pie.
>>
>> Anny
>
> I love your stories! My experience has been a lot like yours. BUT I
> respect allergies, religious restrictions and intolerances. My kid has a
> terrible sensitivity to iodine which precludes all seafoods, so I
> obviously ask others if they have any of these problems. I also don't
> mind a bit if someone at table skips a dish I made.

I too respect allergies, religious restrictions and intolerances. I even
define "religious restrictions" pretty broadly -- I'll cook vegetarian or
even vegan for someone whose beliefs have nothing to do with a deity.

I also don't mind if someone skips a dish. BUT I resent making a dish
especially for someone only to have them eat the dish they swore they didn't
like.

My niece is coming for Easter dinner. The only meat she eats is chicken
breast, so I've decided to bake some chicken breasts in addition to the ham
I'll make. I'll make enough for everyone to have, because although I'm in
the mood for ham this year, I know others will eat it but prefer something
else. (OK, I'll admit it -- I'm not in the mood so much for ham as for the
split pea soup I'll make using the bone.)

My niece won't eat the potato dish I'm making, nor the cooked vegetables.
She will eat the croissants I'll make. I'm not making anything other than
the chicken in deference to her pickiness.

She's a freshman at University of Wisconsin. This year she lived in an
apartment, where she could cook and eat whatever she likes. Next year
though she'll be living in a sorority house. I'm really curious how she'll
manage.

Anny

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Barb wrote:
(snip)
> > Would my well known disdain for that which is beety put me into one of
> > the two categories?
>
>
> Kimberly's main issue seems to be how the food is arranged on the plate.
> Your son-in-law's issues are with the food itself.
>
> Your hatred of beets makes you a teutlophobe, but your other qualities
> presumably make you acceptable in polite company. :-)
>
> Bob

I can't find "teutlophobe" in a dictionary and I think you made it up
and you can just stop that right now, okay? Beta vulgaris seems like an
apt description (see Wiki on beets).

I clean up nice and I show well and my friends think I'm more fun to be
with than a bucket of puppies. My older siblings are jealous of me
because I'm cuter than they are and Mom always liked me best.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - good news 4-6-2009
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

"Puester" wrote
> cshenk wrote:

>> Others will bring a side dish and generally know if it's acceptable to
>> the others or what they added that may be a problem. Like Mary making
>> her Mac-n-cheese with Ham, she'll leave the ham out if Sadie and Art are
>> the main other guests (jewish, not overtly observant but they keep off
>> the pork and obvious seafoods). If it's Raine and John, we avoid all
>> alcohol (including wine vinegars) in one of the main dishes. If Jeane
>> and Steve, we need a main dish that is vegetarian (Kidney cancer diet,
>> low protein required).

> But what you describe is NEED-based, either medical or religious, not
> capricious picky for the sake of being indulged.

That's true. We have only one person who sometimes comes who's 'picky' and
her Mom brings something she knows that teen will eat. The Teen isn't *too*
terribly picky and is polite about it. She may ask what's in something and
turn a delicate nose up, but she often will try a tiny nibble if it is
vegetarian.

Grin, she's one I make an extra effort for in 2 ways. She really loves
plain sushi rice and my rice balls (as long as no fish or animal indredients
at all have touched it) so if she's coming, I always make an extra big batch
and put some on a plate for them to take home. Since everyone else loves
this too, it's no hardship. When I have diabetic guests, I make them small
(3TB or so) which allows most of them to have at least 1 *if they wish*.
I'll also make sure I have several small portions of up to 5 various
vegetables (easy in my big steamer) instead of 2 main veggies.

This is really just a small bunch of neighbors who pitter-patter across the
street to one another and combine dinners or a cookout most weekends. Most
of the time, you donate something to the group and don't worry other than to
know what's in it incase there's a special (usually medical) need.
Sometimes, it's a special meal with a note to 'just bring yourself and a few
extra plates and cups'.

In article
>,
wrote:

> What I won't do is enforce one person's bias/fear/ideology/foolishness
> on other people. If I'm putting on, say, a Chinese multi-course
> feast, and one of the guests doesn't eat pork, I'll have plenty for
> that person to eat but I will probably have pork dishes for the other
> guests. Likewise, one vegetarian diner does not mandate that all eat
> vegetarian. But if beets are on the menu, they are on the menu even
> if Barb is coming. She'll like the rest of it. -aem

Barb would probably *love* the rest of it. You are one of the rare
gifts on this group. I'd treasured an invitation, would pass (without
comment, in your home) on the beets, and would bring a nice host/hostess
gift ‹ probably some jam.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - good news 4-6-2009
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

>> Your hatred of beets makes you a teutlophobe, but your other
>> qualities presumably make you acceptable in polite company. :-)

> I can't find "teutlophobe" in a dictionary and I think you made it up
> and you can just stop that right now, okay?

I think it means fear of farting.

> I clean up nice and I show well and my friends think I'm more fun to
> be with than a bucket of puppies. My older siblings are jealous of me
> because I'm cuter than they are and Mom always liked me best.

Hey, the truth hurts. Like it or lump it, I say.

nancy

"Giusi" wrote

> I love your stories! My experience has been a lot like yours. BUT I
> respect allergies, religious restrictions and intolerances. My kid has a
> terrible sensitivity to iodine which precludes all seafoods, so I
> obviously ask others if they have any of these problems. I also don't
> mind a bit if someone at table skips a dish I made.

Thats the hardest one for *me* to cook around. I can do it, but it isnt my
normal stuff. No Dashi for example. We had a dearly departed neighbor who
had problems with all seafoods (may have been iodine, I don't know). I
always had a few dishes he couldnt eat (and would warn him which they were
as it wasnt always obvious to the eye).

Nexis wrote:
>
> My brother's physician put him on a no-fermentation regiment with his health
> issues, and that was a little trickier than I had imagined, because at first
> glance you don't realize how many foods involve some form of fermentation!
> No wine, no vinegar, no yeast products, etc. We managed though!
>
> kimberly
> --
> http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.org

No soy sauce, either. :-( I was on the same diet once.


Becca

ChattyCathy wrote:
> Puester wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand, my husband always wants to arrive at a
>> party, dinner, etc.
>> at the exact time stated on the invitation. We had friends
>> who were always late
>> coming to our house. When we arrived "on time" at their
>> gatherings, we'd often
>> find them in the shower or not even that far along yet.
>> She'd look down her nose
>> and say "Oh, yeah. You guys are always on time."
>
> Good grief. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
>


She was like that about a lot of things but our sons were
good friends.
I was quite relieved when they moved 1800 miles away.

gloria p

Melba's Jammin' wrote:

>
> I clean up nice and I show well and my friends think I'm more fun to be
> with than a bucket of puppies. My older siblings are jealous of me
> because I'm cuter than they are and Mom always liked me best.

Mostly because you sent her jam.

;-)
gloria p

On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:07:01 -0700, David Harmon wrote:

> On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 11:19:26 -0500 in rec.food.cooking, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote,
>> My SIL is
>>another story, not for posting, but I liketa smack 'im. :-0)
>
> "But I don't like getting smacked."
>
> "There now, that's just because you haven't had it done right. Try it
> my way! I'm sure you'll like a good smack when you find out how mine
> are!"

<snort>

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"cshenk" > wrote:

> >> We aint even faintly bashful about telling one another what we can't or
> >> won't eat.
> >
> > How fun! :-)
>
> It is! For all that I was in Japan for almost 7 years, we both the house
> here back in 1996 so when we came back, it was to people we'd known. A few
> new ones, some gone (moved, and 1 died).
>
> I'd say offhand there's 7 regular families and 5-6 'now and again' folks.
> We have most of each other in a little email group so somtimes when ya check
> email you see, 'damn, I just dont feel like cooking, anyone wanna feed me?'.
> Party develops. (Generally non-alcoholic though we may have a bottle of wine
> or a 6 pack for those who like to have a little).
>
> When one of the ladies went in for sudden hip surgery, we just rotated her
> husband from house to house for a week (guy can't cook but is always fun.
> His wife is a great cook). Then we held 3-4 at her house when she got home
> (cleaning up after ourselves) so she didnt have to cook. He's real good at
> returning your tupperware (grin). Lets see, she's lactose intolerant with
> osteoporosis so we feed her up with milk-free high calcium foods. He's got
> no special diet needs (but hates okra) and she has no others.
>
> We had both of them over last Friday along with the fellow with kidney
> cancer (low protein diet required) and his wife (dieting, no other concerns
> except thinks melons are slimy).
>
> For dinner I made:
>
> (Scored! Fresh sashimi grade tuna and convinced the fish fellow, yes, I
> want the bones please) Salt fried Aku bones with side of sashimi over sushi
> rice (hand sushi) (High calcium, very high)
>
> Sushi rice balls (with no fish) with various slivered vegetables and avocado
> (all low protein)
>
> Baked eggplant lightly coated with *good stuff level* olive oil, bread
> crumbs, touch of parmesan cheese (left one piece without parm but added
> bacos to that piece and black pepper). (low protein main dish but scrape off
> the few bacos if taking that piece).
>
> Fresh udon in dashi with spinach and mushrooms (has some protein but not too
> much)
>
> Pork loin steaks with spicy seasoning, sliced down to 1 oz or so servings (2
> are allowed for our friend with low protein diet), take as many as ya want.
>
> Steamed green beans tossed with a little sesame oil and some of the last of
> my shiitake mushrooms.
>
> Steamed carrots with baby bok choy and a side curried mustard sauce for
> dipping or pouring. (little dip dishes from Japan to fill if you like it
> that way).
>
> Mulled wine (this particular group likes warm red mulled wine) with honey
>
> Green or black tea with honey or sugar (Tea kettle, bags, suit yourself).
>
> Peeled grapefruit, oranges, and bannanas with a drizzle of honey.
>
> Grin, see how easy it is to fit all in? I could have made a melon dish or a
> dish with okra too and the ones who didnt like that, would just have
> selected something else. Before you think I went broke, naw. They also feed
> us often and normally they all bring something. This time, it was someone
> elses' store bought pork loin, fruits, wine, and avocados.
>
> The only down side to my place is I dont have enough chairs so some end up
> chatting in the livingroom while some are with me (about the table) while we
> cook it all up. Once we eat, my japan floor table fits us all. I've got a
> pile of cushions and a low 'chair' for my friend with the hip problems that
> works for her quite comfortably. We just laugh and lower her into it.
>
> Wink, long but fun post. Every time I see a thread that folks think it's
> too hard to do specialty cooking, I just laugh and tell ya my most recent
> escapade.
>
> Got email as I was typing this that another snagged the group this weekend
> but he's waiting to see how the weather is as he wants a sort of cookout.
> He asked me to check the fish market as he's doing pork and we normally have
> 2 mains at these things. Since i'm headed there tomorrow anyways, will do!

That all sounds wonderful. Family and friends are lucky to have you!
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:

> Just goes to show everyone's taste is different. I dislike maple cured
> bacon and sausage. If someone served it to me in their home I wouldn't
> complain. I don't choose to buy it, though.
>
> Jill

I don't like them either.

But NORMAL sausage and bacon WITH maple syrup, I like. ;-) They are not
the same.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

ChattyCathy wrote:

> Puester wrote:
>
>>
>>On the other hand, my husband always wants to arrive at a
>>party, dinner, etc.
>>at the exact time stated on the invitation. We had friends
>>who were always late
>>coming to our house. When we arrived "on time" at their
>>gatherings, we'd often
>>find them in the shower or not even that far along yet.
>>She'd look down her nose
>>and say "Oh, yeah. You guys are always on time."
>
>
> Good grief. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
>
>
>>It's hard to know what to do about that. Do you arrive on
>>time but 1/2 hour ahead of
>>all the other guests, or do you arrive 15 minutes "late"
>>when everyone else is getting there.
>>Either choice can give a host the fits.
>
>
> FWIW, I won't look down my nose at you if you arrive on time at my
> house ;-)
>

When i was pregnant with my duaghter my family decided to spare me the
whole "surprise" baby shower thing, probably for fear the baby might
turn up as an extra guest, so I went over early to visit with my sister,
who'd flown in from Phoenix for the ocaasion, and to help with setting up.

My uncle's skank du jour, and her mother, showed up *an hour and a half*
early and sat on their asses, drinking my dad's beer that they helped
themselves to out of the fridge.

Dumbfounded? Flabbergasted? Abso****inglutely floored? Pick a word
and any of them would have described my mother's, sister's and aunts'
reactions. AND they were the last ones to leave.

"Nexis" wrote
> "cshenk" wrote

>>>> We aint even faintly bashful about telling one another what we can't or
>>>> won't eat.

> What time should we arrive? ;-)

Hehehe, about 11am for the next one! Saturday if weather holds. Bring an
extra chair for each of ya and a mug of some sort as Jamie is a little short
on chairs and mugs for hot drinks.

> You seem to have the same take on it as I do...it's easy enough to make
> small adjustments to many dishes so that they are suitable to various
> restrictions. Like the rice you mentioned, for example.

Easy as can be. Just make multiple dishes and ensure a few suit each
person.

> By the way, I love cinnamon tea! No sweetener at all for me; I like
> brewed, unsweetened tea the best, whether it's hot or cold.

Wink, bring a mug!

On Apr 8, 11:06*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> > I would say the fussy eater is the one who doesn't like stuff to
> > touch on their plate. *The picky eater doesn't like specific foods.
> > So you are more fussy than me, from your description, but probably
> > about as picky, just not about the exact same things. >
> > Bill Ranck
> > Blacksburg, Va.
>
> Good, we agree on terminology. *I really think there is a distinction
> to be made, regardless if it's a negative thing or not.
>
> N.

I disagree. I think a picky eater is someone who dislikes particular
foods, or food relationships (textures, eg.) to the point where they
avoid eating them or refuse to eat them. A fussy eater is someone who
expects others to honor their own food preferences and dislikes,
rather than attempting to just eat what they can.

My examples: my brother's best friend who only ate nine things. He'd
cheerfully go without eating if none of the nine were available.
That's a picky eater. My niece who decided to be a vegetarian but
insisted that people provide her with cheese pizza because she didn't
really like vegetables - fussy eater.

Susan B.

In article >,
"modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:


> >I thought there was a difference. I read the other posts. No, there
> >isn't a distinct, definable difference.

> grateful for that. But in this case, might we look at the verbs
> related to those two adjectives and get a bit beyond a dictionary's
> authority? I say this because of one of Kimberly's posts in this
> thread. I recall that she told Barb that she would never make a fuss
> over something that was served to her.

Actually, I thought about that (looking at "fuss" and "pick") but
decided to go with how people used them in this thread.

> Might the verbs help us choose the adjectives?

That was a very interesting discussion. Perhaps it will help people
decide how they wish to use these words in the future.

> OB Dictionaries. Have you read Simon Winchester's book "The Professor
> and the Madman?" One of the most prolific contributors to the first
> edition of the OED was a homicidal madman! A review can be had he
> http://www.salon.com/books/sneaks/1998/09/03sneaks.html

A fascinating review!

"Imagine a time, Winchester asks us, when there were no dictionaries."

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"[Don't] assume that someone is "broken" just because they behave in ways
you don't like or don't understand." --Miche

Melba's Jammin' > wrote in
:


> I repeat my question: Is there a difference between a fussy eater and
> a picky eater? How would you describe the differences?

Mmm, not sure. I think Rob (DH) is a picky eater - won't try things
because he just knows he won't like them by looking at them, goes off
foods so that he will no longer eat something he would eat a few months
ago. That's annoying and frustrating.

If someone tells you they can't/won't eat something so that you make
special arrangements, and then you find them eating that something with
no problems - that's annoying.

However, people who like particular things and not others, or who like
food arranged a certain way - maybe you could say fussy, but I think
they just have particular likes/dislikes. I think a key difference
between this and picky might be that they will eat the food if needs be
to avoid upsetting someone (provided it won't make them sick), won't
kick up a fuss, won't insist that their likes/dislikes disturb everyone
else, and they will try things they haven't had before.

If I'm having people for dinner I would check if there are any foods
they don't/can't eat and would, if possible, work around that. I want my
guests to enjoy themselves. So if Kimberley was coming to dinner and
told me she didn't like her beans and gravy to touch, I'd probably just
put the gravy in a gravy boat or jug so the guests could put it on their
plates themselves. I identify with this one - as a child I used to ask
my mother to put my canned fruit and custard (or icecream) in separate
bowls because I didn't like the way the syrup from the canned fruit
reacted with the custard or icecream.

I like to think I will try most things. There are, however, a few foods
I don't like. I have tried mushrooms several different ways and really
do not like them. I'm not terribly keen on olives but if they're in my
dinner I'll probably eat at least some of them. I don't eat offal - I've
tried liver and disliked it, and no desire to try the rest. That's about
it, I think. Some people might think I'm a picky or fussy eater.


Provided someone actually tries things, I don't think it's a failing
that there are a lot of foods they don't like.

My sister doesn't eat seafood of any sort - it's not an allergy or
intolerance. She's tried it, and doesn't like it. She cooks it for her
husband and children, but doesn't eat it herself. To me that's a valid
choice, but we often see when someone says "I don't like xyz", people
saying oh, you need to try it this way or you obviously haven't had it
cooked right etc. How about, they just don't like it!!

We don't disparage people who only like science fiction movies for
example, and don't want to watch movies of any other genre. We don't
disparage people who only like bourbon and don't want to drink other
spirits. Why is it different with foods?

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:31:09 -0700 (PDT), sueb >
wrote:

>My niece who decided to be a vegetarian but
>insisted that people provide her with cheese pizza because she didn't
>really like vegetables - fussy eater.

Goodness, what did she eat as a vegetarian? Bread and cheese?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 10:08:05 -0400, "cshenk" > wrote:

>"Puester" wrote
>
>> But what you describe is NEED-based, either medical or religious, not
>> capricious picky for the sake of being indulged.
>
<snip>
>
>This is really just a small bunch of neighbors who pitter-patter across the
>street to one another and combine dinners or a cookout most weekends. Most
>of the time, you donate something to the group and don't worry other than to
>know what's in it in case there's a special (usually medical) need.
>
Sounds like those with special diets also may bring a dish they can
eat. That's practical and neighborly!


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> I repeat my question: Is there a difference between a fussy eater and a
> picky eater? How would you describe the differences?

Lots of interesting responses. I liked Rhonda's. The whole thread
took me to "I'm selective, you are fussy, s/he is picky." "-)
Hoppy Holiday!

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - good news 4-6-2009
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Barb wrote:
> (snip)
>> > Would my well known disdain for that which is beety put me into one of
>> > the two categories?
>>
>>
>> Kimberly's main issue seems to be how the food is arranged on the plate.
>> Your son-in-law's issues are with the food itself.
>>
>> Your hatred of beets makes you a teutlophobe, but your other qualities
>> presumably make you acceptable in polite company. :-)
>>
>> Bob
>
> I can't find "teutlophobe" in a dictionary and I think you made it up
> and you can just stop that right now, okay? Beta vulgaris seems like an
> apt description (see Wiki on beets).
>
> I clean up nice and I show well and my friends think I'm more fun to be
> with than a bucket of puppies. My older siblings are jealous of me
> because I'm cuter than they are and Mom always liked me best.

NO ONE is more fun than a bucket of puppies, but you're not too bad.

TammyM

On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:10:14 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I thought there was a difference. I read the other posts. No, there
>isn't a distinct, definable difference. I looked at my dictionary,
>which I do often. The first word used in the definition of both was
>"fastidious". Well, that was a clue. The first example in both related
>to food. OK. The thesaurus entry for "fussy" cited "picky", although
>at the end. There was no thesaurus entry for "picky".

I find that sort of thing very annoying! It's like figuring out the
difference between glen and dale. I don't remember what I was looking
for now, but I stumbled across an internet site one time (most likely
ESL) that took several words which for all intents and purposes meant
the same thing and ranked them giving specifics of how they were used.
IMO, that's how a thesaurus should be written.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:24:33 -0500, "modom (palindrome guy)"
> wrote:

>You do make frequent use of your dictionary, and I've often been
>grateful for that.

If you use firefox, you can add merriam webster to the search engines.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:05:29 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>I can't find "teutlophobe" in a dictionary and I think you made it up
>and you can just stop that right now, okay? Beta vulgaris seems like an
>apt description (see Wiki on beets).

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&e...phobia&spell=1

Fear of German or German things.

I've never thought of beets as being German though.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:16:25 -0500, Becca wrote:

> Nexis wrote:
>>
>> My brother's physician put him on a no-fermentation regiment with his health
>> issues, and that was a little trickier than I had imagined, because at first
>> glance you don't realize how many foods involve some form of fermentation!
>> No wine, no vinegar, no yeast products, etc. We managed though!
>>
>> kimberly
>> --
>> http://eating-sandiego.blogspot.org
>
> No soy sauce, either. :-( I was on the same diet once.
>

i would find that very difficult.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:57:42 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> "modom (palindrome guy)" > wrote:
>
>>>I thought there was a difference. I read the other posts. No, there
>>>isn't a distinct, definable difference.
>
>> grateful for that. But in this case, might we look at the verbs
>> related to those two adjectives and get a bit beyond a dictionary's
>> authority? I say this because of one of Kimberly's posts in this
>> thread. I recall that she told Barb that she would never make a fuss
>> over something that was served to her.
>
> Actually, I thought about that (looking at "fuss" and "pick") but
> decided to go with how people used them in this thread.
>
>> Might the verbs help us choose the adjectives?
>
> That was a very interesting discussion. Perhaps it will help people
> decide how they wish to use these words in the future.
>
>> OB Dictionaries. Have you read Simon Winchester's book "The Professor
>> and the Madman?" One of the most prolific contributors to the first
>> edition of the OED was a homicidal madman! A review can be had he
>> http://www.salon.com/books/sneaks/1998/09/03sneaks.html
>
> A fascinating review!
>
> "Imagine a time, Winchester asks us, when there were no dictionaries."

man, what a drag that would be! dictionaries are almost as much fun as the
english language is.

(modom - i ordered "the professor and the madman' yesterday, used from
amazon. i knew of the book, but the library didn't have it the last time i
was there.)

your pal,
blake