In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.

Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.

http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
> over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or
> is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
> fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>

So now we have no social conscience if we DON'T post offtopic in a food
group about politics and word affairs?

:

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:55:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.

Send a copy of your voter registration card to show that you are
qualified to decide their position in the next election.

notbob wrote:

> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or
is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>


I salute you for your concern, nb, but both parties are so blatantly and
deeply ensconced in this mess that I don't think writing will do much to
help alleviate the sitch...and I increasingly think that voting won't do
much good, either.

:-(


--
Best
Greg

"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money."~~~~Margaret Thatcher

On 2009-04-12, cybercat > wrote:

> So now we have no social conscience if we DON'T post offtopic in a food
> group about politics and word affairs?

So now the situation will disappear and heal itself if we ignore it and
criticize the critics?

nb

On 2009-04-12, Mr Bill > wrote:

> Send a copy of your voter registration card to show that you are
> qualified to decide their position in the next election.

That's an excellent suggestion, MB. Thank you.

nb

On Apr 12, 12:55*pm, notbob > wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it. *
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. *Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? *I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW...nators_cfm.cfm
>
> nb

===================================

Several years ago when the greedy republicans dismantled all the
banking regulations and let the idiots invent schemes like "credit
default swaps", Senator Byron Dorgan D-ND said we would really
regret letting them do that because it would be big trouble later.

Senator Kent Conrad D-ND also has a stellar record on economic issues
especially relating to reducing the federal deficit. These are good
guys and have beaucoup seniority in the Senate. They both turned down
appointments in the Obama Administration because they can accomplish
more in Congress than at the White House. I never have to contact
these guys, I just thank them when I run into them in the grocery
store or on the street.

Besides which I'm too poor to notice any damned recession depression
or whatever.

Lynn in Fargo, North Dakota
(home of stupid State Legislature but smart Congressional Delegation)

On Apr 12, 12:55*pm, notbob > wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it. *
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. *Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? *I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW...nators_cfm.cfm
>
> nb

Several years ago when the greedy republicans dismantled all the
banking regulations and let the idiots invent schemes like "credit
default tSenator Byron Dorgan D-ND said

notbob wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html

That has to be one of the most concise, instructional and apolitical
summations I have ever seen. Too bad it couldn't be featured on American
idol so that more than a few people will watch it.


>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.

At least two of us are..


>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>
> nb

Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig wrote:
> On Apr 12, 12:55 pm, notbob > wrote:
>> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
>> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>>
>> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
>> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>>
>> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>>
>> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW...nators_cfm.cfm
>>
>> nb
>
> ===================================
>
> Several years ago when the greedy republicans dismantled all the
> banking regulations and let the idiots invent schemes like "credit
> default swaps", Senator Byron Dorgan D-ND said we would really
> regret letting them do that because it would be big trouble later.

Sadly and unfortunately no politicians are exempt from blame. Clinton
signed that legislation into law. It is worth watching that snippet of
PBS programming to really be able to wrap your head around what happened.

>
> Senator Kent Conrad D-ND also has a stellar record on economic issues
> especially relating to reducing the federal deficit. These are good
> guys and have beaucoup seniority in the Senate. They both turned down
> appointments in the Obama Administration because they can accomplish
> more in Congress than at the White House. I never have to contact
> these guys, I just thank them when I run into them in the grocery
> store or on the street.
>
> Besides which I'm too poor to notice any damned recession depression
> or whatever.
>
> Lynn in Fargo, North Dakota
> (home of stupid State Legislature but smart Congressional Delegation)

notbob wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.


I think without term limits, change will be hard to come by.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2009-04-12, cybercat > wrote:
>
>> So now we have no social conscience if we DON'T post offtopic in a food
>> group about politics and word affairs?
>
> So now the situation will disappear and heal itself if we ignore it and
> criticize the critics?
>
nb. RFC is not all some of us do, right?

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
> over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or
> is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
> fraud.

So many outrageous issues have been thrown at the American public that ,
yes, I do believe we have "outrage fatigue". The investment/bank fraud
situation isn't seen as something that impacts the "little guy", so why
bother? We're too busy trying to keep our jobs and pay the bills, and our
impotent rage will make no difference.
I have only so much care and time to expend on issues outside of my
household, so the bank fraud criminals will have to get in line behind the
animal abusers, puppy millers, unregulated gun sellers, and anti-vaccination
protesters.

On 2009-04-12, dejablues > wrote:

> So many outrageous issues have been thrown at the American public that ,
> yes, I do believe we have "outrage fatigue".

Sadly, I have to agree, but it's a poor excuse.

> I have only so much care and time to expend on issues outside of my
> household....

You still have a "household"? Lucky you!

But hey!.... I know you can't be bothered. They're counting on it. :\

nb

On Apr 12, 10:55*am, notbob > wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it. *
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. *Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? *I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW...nators_cfm.cfm
>
> nb

Put up templates of the letters you are writing. That way a simple cut-
and-paste will make it that much easier to send a copy to the
representatives. When we've worked on letter campaigns, templates seem
to assist in getting people to participate.

The "Politically Active" Ranger

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:28:08 -0400, "dejablues"
> wrote:

>So many outrageous issues have been thrown at the American public that ,
>yes, I do believe we have "outrage fatigue". The investment/bank fraud
>situation isn't seen as something that impacts the "little guy", so why
>bother?

It affects the little guy and we know it, but what can we do? Not
much it seems. They have us coming and going.

>We're too busy trying to keep our jobs and pay the bills, and our
>impotent rage will make no difference.

Impotent is right. We've circled the wagons on the ground floor of
Maslow's hierarchy.

>I have only so much care and time to expend on issues outside of my
>household, so the bank fraud criminals will have to get in line behind the
>animal abusers, puppy millers, unregulated gun sellers, and anti-vaccination
>protesters.

After we have taken care of ourselves, we'll have the time and energy
to look elsewhere.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:55:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
>the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
>It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
>it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
>Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
>http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>
>nb

Thanks for posting that. I suppose you've seen this pictu
http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.co...p-you-fers.jpg
--

modom

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2009-04-12, Mr Bill > wrote:
>
> > Send a copy of your voter registration card to show that you are
> > qualified to decide their position in the next election.
>
> That's an excellent suggestion, MB. Thank you.

And enclose a $5 contribution, just to make sure
you get flagged as a contributor.

On 2009-04-12, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:

> Thanks for posting that. I suppose you've seen this pictu
> http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.co...p-you-fers.jpg

No, but it's a hoot. Unfortunately, there's no longer any reason to jump.
In fact, don't jump and get $$$ bonus, courtesy the moron can't-be-bothered
US taxpayer.

Used to be we were known as an industrial economy. Then, in the 80-90s, an
"information" economy. Now, apparently, a "fraud" economy. If we keep it
up, we'll be a 3rd World economy. Perhaps a "drug" economy, supplying drugs
to more properous nations. History says China is partial to opium and
god knows we can grow anything. :|

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2009-04-12, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
> > Thanks for posting that. I suppose you've seen this pictu
> > http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.co...p-you-fers.jpg
>
> No, but it's a hoot. Unfortunately, there's no longer any reason to jump.
> In fact, don't jump and get $$$ bonus, courtesy the moron can't-be-bothered
> US taxpayer.
>
> Used to be we were known as an industrial economy. Then, in the 80-90s, an
> "information" economy. Now, apparently, a "fraud" economy. If we keep it
> up, we'll be a 3rd World economy. Perhaps a "drug" economy, supplying drugs
> to more properous nations. History says China is partial to opium and
> god knows we can grow anything. :|

The great Tidy Bowl swirl leads down to total economic collapse and
subsistence farming... Look to Zimbabwe for a recent example.

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.

Have you really been reading this group? The world economic situation,
including the problems in the US, has seemed to me to be the leading OT
posting in the group for the last year or so.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"[Don't] assume that someone is "broken" just because they behave in ways
you don't like or don't understand." --Miche

notbob wrote:
> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm

I don't know exactly what "capability of outrage" is. Does it mean the
straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak? Or would it be the
long-delayed explosion that finally pulls us out of our collective
lassitude and forces us to take corrective action?

If that is what's meant, then yes. We have lost that capability but only
because we are not yet outraged. After ages and ages of watching the
rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and the bad guy getting
the girl and the loot and riding off into the sunset unimpeded, we are
thoroughly dunned and exhausted. We have placed a new government, but
only because the old asshole in chief used up his tenure. Almost
everyone else involved is still there, and even those who aren't, like
Karl Rove and Dick Cheney, are still flapping their yaps unabated. The
financial messes continue, complicated by the new age of carpetbaggers
that have swooped in to make a killing of their own from the "recovery."
New frauds and schemes take the places of old ones. Victims are
victimized again with revised and renewed con games guised as something
meant to help them and save them. The guys at the top are still making
money off the guys at the bottom, and have no reason to stop. In short,
the hogs are still feeding. Nothing will change until they are full, and
they are never full. It will take law to stop them. But we are tired and
overwhelmed, not ready for the level of outrage it will take.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:05:36 -0400, Goomba >
wrote:

>I think without term limits, change will be hard to come by.

Not if you get off your lazy butt and VOTE!!!!! All politics is
LOCAL. The sewage seeps upwards. Start local....

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:53:30 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-04-12, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for posting that. I suppose you've seen this pictu
>> http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.co...p-you-fers.jpg
>
>No, but it's a hoot. Unfortunately, there's no longer any reason to jump.
>In fact, don't jump and get $$$ bonus, courtesy the moron can't-be-bothered
>US taxpayer.
>
>Used to be we were known as an industrial economy. Then, in the 80-90s, an
>"information" economy. Now, apparently, a "fraud" economy. If we keep it
>up, we'll be a 3rd World economy. Perhaps a "drug" economy, supplying drugs
>to more properous nations. History says China is partial to opium and
>god knows we can grow anything. :|
>
You might find this blog a useful source of information:
http://baselinescenario.com/

One of the contributers is former IMF chief economist Simon Johnson,
whose article in the Atlantic
(http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200905/imf-advice) argues that our
distorted economy has undermined US democratic institutions, leading
to a sort of "groupthink" among policy makers unable to view the world
outside a Wall Street banker's POV. When that happened in Indonesia,
we called it crony capitalism.

Particularly striking is the concentration of wealth in recent years.
This chart
http://www.theatlantic.com/images/is...nson-chart.gif
tells quite a tale. Right about the beginning of this decade, the
financial sector commanded an amazing 40+% of ALL US corporate
profits. With the tumbling of financials lately, that percentage has
declined, but it's still about double what it was in the 70s. (One
wonders if those alleged profits represent misstated numbers based on
sunny estimates for CMOs, CDOs, CDOs-squared, CDSs, and other
financial turd pies, by the way.)

Also average compensation for financial workers has risen to
approximately 200% of the average of all US workers in recent years.
In the post-war years up through the 1970s, that number hovered around
115-120%.

As TR said, we are presided over by "malefactors of great wealth."

The capitalist line is that banks and other financial institutions
create jobs by aggregating savings and lending money to start-ups,
entrepreneurs, and established businesses seeking to grow. Looks to
me like they are only making dollars. They care not for jobs, goods
or services, except that they can buy them with their dollars.
--

modom

Mr. Bill wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:05:36 -0400, Goomba >
> wrote:
>
>> I think without term limits, change will be hard to come by.
>
> Not if you get off your lazy butt and VOTE!!!!! All politics is
> LOCAL. The sewage seeps upwards. Start local....
>
scuse me, but I vote each and every election.

On 2009-04-12, Pennyaline > wrote:

> they are never full. It will take law to stop them. But we are tired and
> overwhelmed, not ready for the level of outrage it will take.

Agreed. I guess we need to completely lose our "household" and hafta stand
in soup lines and reside under overpasses and in hobo camps before we really
get ****ed enough to act. It should be no surprise the new prez is doing
NOTHING, as his entire election campaign was based on exactly that. NOTHING!



nb

On 2009-04-12, Mr Bill > wrote:

> Not if you get off your lazy butt and VOTE!!!!! All politics is
> LOCAL. The sewage seeps upwards. Start local....

DRIP

Don't Return Incumbent Politicians

nb

On 2009-04-12, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:

> me like they are only making dollars. They care not for jobs, goods
> or services, except that they can buy them with their dollars.

Oops. I meant "services" when I said "information", with respect to the
economy in the 80-90s. Regardless, my flags went up way back then. Even
the most basic class on economics recognizes the need for manufacturing and
sellable "goods" as the basis of a healthy economy. We began circling the
drain when business gurus and clueless pundits started working to convince
us that "services" is an actual economy base, as if cleaning hotel rooms,
booking vacations, and wrangling emails is a "product". I'm sorry, but
knowing how to compose a mission statement in Word is not an exportable
commodity!! Until we go back to a manufacturing economy, we're doomed to
being a fraud economy and the busisness World, at large, is not as gullible
as the American taxpayer.

nb

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
>> over
>> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>>
>> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or
>> is
>> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
>> fraud.
>>
>> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
>
> I think without term limits, change will be hard to come by.

I used to be against term limits figuring you just vote the *******s out.
Boy, was I wrong. Once entrenched the electorate just keeps pulling the
same lever. The law should be two terms maximum and out.

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-04-12, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
> > me like they are only making dollars. They care not for jobs, goods
> > or services, except that they can buy them with their dollars.
>
> Oops. I meant "services" when I said "information", with respect to the
> economy in the 80-90s. Regardless, my flags went up way back then. Even
> the most basic class on economics recognizes the need for manufacturing
and
> sellable "goods" as the basis of a healthy economy. We began circling the
> drain when business gurus and clueless pundits started working to convince
> us that "services" is an actual economy base, as if cleaning hotel rooms,
> booking vacations, and wrangling emails is a "product". I'm sorry, but
> knowing how to compose a mission statement in Word is not an exportable
> commodity!! Until we go back to a manufacturing economy, we're doomed to
> being a fraud economy and the busisness World, at large, is not as
gullible
> as the American taxpayer.


I dunno, notbob, does this necessarily hold true? A place like Singapore or
Hong Kong or Dubai doesn't produce much in the way of manufactures, but they
are wealthy and thriving places nonetheless. Same is true for some cities,
like London or New York, they "produce" services, not so much in the way of
goods anymore...

Chicago 50 years ago was primarily a manufacturing center. We were hit hard
in the early 80's recession, those steel mills and such closed down. The
economy diversified, now the majority of our wealth comes from services of
whatever nature...our economy has greatly benefitted from this. The same
can be said for a place like Pittsburgh, it has weathered the decline of
manufacturing relatively well, it's a better place now than it was, say, in
1950. Of course on the obverse side you have places like St. Louis or
Detroit or...

A lot of what we export is "intellectual" in nature, e.g. a Microsoft or
Hollywood entertainment company exports a huge amount all over the world.
Educational "know - how" is something of a tangible export IMO. Any old
place can build a textile factory or a steel foundry, not many places have a
Stanford or an MIT or whatever...

These are just my random babblings...

;-)


--
Best
Greg

On Apr 12, 1:06*pm, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "notbob" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> > other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
> > over
> > the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> >http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> > It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. *Or
> > is
> > it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
> > fraud.
>
> > Have you written your US reps? *I'm writing, now.
>
> >http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
> >http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>
> So now we have no social conscience if we DON'T post offtopic in a food
> group about politics and word affairs?
>
I agree with you to the extent that notbob should have put OT in his
subject header. It was sloppy. So was your typing "word" instead of
"world." It's not about "no social conscience," but about enough
"social conscience," and who among us measures up?

--Bryan
The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.
It slices, it dices,,,AS SEEN ON TV, yeah, right

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:29:10 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I personally hope to see that
>those who thought deregulation was a "good idea", will then pay the
>price for that thought.

Market driven corrections are ideal (a real free market system)....
*if* it's all on paper. The situation changes drastically when *real*
people's lives are involved. What will happen in reality is a
downward spiral that won't end quickly. When it does, I don't think
we'll be a Phoenix that rises from the ashes - the carrot at the end
of the Free Market stick. It's a global economy now, so we have to
think beyond ourselves.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Goomba" > wrote in message
> ...
>> notbob wrote:
>>> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many
>>> subjects
>>> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern
>>> over
>>> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>>>
>>> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or
>>> is
>>> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing
>>> fraud.
>>>
>>> Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>>
>>
>> I think without term limits, change will be hard to come by.
>
> I used to be against term limits figuring you just vote the *******s out.
> Boy, was I wrong. Once entrenched the electorate just keeps pulling the
> same lever. The law should be two terms maximum and out.
>

The mayor of Memphis has demonstrated time and time again why he shouldn't
still be in office. Okay, no skin off my nose if he wants to hire his
mistress for a non-existent job... oh wait, where's her salary coming from?
Oh yeah, local taxes. His nickname is "King Willie" for a reason. He
thinks GOD appointed him mayor. I kid you not. He said so back in 2006
when some people were trying to have the election results recalled. He's
been in office for decades, amidst accusations of corruption and graft. He
annexes every unincorporated area around the city he can to expand the tax
base, without having adequate city fire and police personnel to handle the
"new" areas. (The county services were handling it just fine, thank you,
but once annexed into the city their emergency services take precedence.)
His fans keep pulling that same lever, as you say. He's the reason I
haven't lived within the Memphis city limits since the 1980's. (When I did
live in the city apparently my vote against his reelection didn't count.)

Jill

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:55:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
>the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
>http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
>It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
>it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>
>Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>
>http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>
>nb
I live in Michigan and my sister writes in outrage to EVERYBODY representative,
senator, president, governor, you name it. She has been for years. She's totaly
discouraged, says " I don't know why I bother, nobody cares or listens". I guess she's
right, if you're not a corporation you're not important enough to listen to.

We might as well rename the USA to the UCSA ( United Corporate States of America) it's
what we are.

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:55:52 GMT, notbob wrote:

> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>
> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>
> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>

did you watch the glenn greenwald and amy goodman segment that was on just
following, n.b.? i see it's also at the site you posted. good stuff.

i read greenwald's blog every day:

<http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/>

very strong on civil liberties issues.

your pal,
blake

In article >, Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig > wrote:
>On Apr 12, 12:55=A0pm, notbob > wrote:
>> In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>> other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern ov=
>er
>> the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it. =A0
>>
>> http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>>
>> It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. =A0O=
>r is
>> it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing frau=
>d.
>>
>> Have you written your US reps? =A0I'm writing, now.
>>
>> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW...w.senate.gov/=
>general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>
>Several years ago when the greedy republicans dismantled all the
>banking regulations and let the idiots invent schemes like "credit
>default tSenator Byron Dorgan D-ND said

Nothing?


Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 15:35:42 -0500, modom (palindrome guy) wrote:

> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:55:52 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>In such a large newsgroup, one that typically touches on so many subjects
>>other than cooking, I'm dumbfounded by the astonishing lack of concern over
>>the economic situation in this country (USA) and the reasons for it.
>>
>>http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
>>
>>It's almost like we're ashamed to be reminded of our blatant apathy. Or is
>>it so many of us were at the head of the line in the ever increasing fraud.
>>
>>Have you written your US reps? I'm writing, now.
>>
>>http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
>>http://www.senate.gov/general/contac...nators_cfm.cfm
>>
>>nb
>
> Thanks for posting that. I suppose you've seen this pictu
> http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.co...p-you-fers.jpg

one of my all-time favorites. even my mother got a kick out of it when i
told her about.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:48:25 -0500, modom (palindrome guy) wrote:
>
> The capitalist line is that banks and other financial institutions
> create jobs by aggregating savings and lending money to start-ups,
> entrepreneurs, and established businesses seeking to grow. Looks to
> me like they are only making dollars. They care not for jobs, goods
> or services, except that they can buy them with their dollars.

there's something to be said for that. but after the first loan is made to
a business or homeowner, the debt/loan is sliced and diced, sold and
re-sold, with each transaction making a heavy fee for the repackager. i
don't see the utility in that.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:22:43 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2009-04-12, Pennyaline > wrote:
>
>> they are never full. It will take law to stop them. But we are tired and
>> overwhelmed, not ready for the level of outrage it will take.
>
> Agreed. I guess we need to completely lose our "household" and hafta stand
> in soup lines and reside under overpasses and in hobo camps before we really
> get ****ed enough to act. It should be no surprise the new prez is doing
> NOTHING, as his entire election campaign was based on exactly that. NOTHING!
>
> nb

it seems your definition of 'nothing' is different from most people's.

your pal,
blake

On 2009-04-13, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> I used to be against term limits figuring you just vote the *******s out.
> Boy, was I wrong. Once entrenched the electorate just keeps pulling the
> same lever. The law should be two terms maximum and out.

CA has term limits. The problem with term limits is, the dirtbags have to
work even faster to reap their ill-gotten gains.

nb