wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:17:25 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > wrote:
>> So how do you think the dog should be cooked?
>
> MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.06
>
> Title: Dog Provencale
> Categories: Meats, Dog
> Yield: 18 servings
>
> 1 - 20lb. Dog
> 30 Bacon, slices
> 4c Onion, minced
> 14 Garlic, minced, clove
> 3 - 32 oz. Tomatoes
> 1 ts Salt
> 1 ts Pepper
>
>

<snip>

I prefer Tartare, or Carpaccio.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:53:57 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>Damsel in dis Dress wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:07:10 -0600, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
>>> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on hot
>>> evenings.
>>
>> I have found that most dogs speak pig latin. LOL! They're a lot
>> smarter than we are as far as understanding language goes. They can
>> understand us, and we just look at them with dumb expressions on our
>> faces when they're trying to tell us something.
>
>It's true. They've learned pig latin by the time they outgrow puppy
>kibble, and are quite adept at spelling by age 3. It's a good thing they
>don't mind keeping their witless owners entertained, and they don't
>charge much for it.

God bless 'em!

><unlike cats, who have ESP and practice mind control... you've noticed
>that you don't see many cats with their owners in pet stores, haven't you?>

Yes, I have, but I didn't realize that that was the reason. I just
assumed that I didn't WANT to bring my cats to the pet store. I feel
so violated!

Carol

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Nancy Young > wrote:

>The owner of the pet store dog was stupid, and the parents should
>have kept their daughter away from the unleashed dog.

As a practical matter, children should be (at minimum) instructed
to not touch strange animals.

But as an ethical matter, this seems somewhat of an unreasonable
burden on both parents and children. So I place 90% of
the responsibility on the dow owner, especially as they tried
to evade responsibility.

Some small amount of responsibiilty falls on the store, since
they seem to have a policy of pets and children being packed
in there. (Not that I feel they need to change the policy,
just that there may be consequences.)

Steve

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Apr 2009 14:09:35 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>
>>There are rules that need to be followed in these stores by the pet
>>owner. Parents should monitor what their children are doing. These stores
>>do not cater to children but for some reason parents seem to feel, just
>>like they do every place else, their little darlings are entitled to do
>>anything they please.
>
> However, the child (and her parents in the process) had been assured
> that the dog was friendly. This, from a woman who *knew* that her
> dog had an aversion to being touched on the back. And who kept losing
> track of the fact that her dog had accompanied her to the store. It's
> a Rottweiler. How do you misplace a Rott?
>
> Small children and dogs of any size, shape, age, or disposition are
> potentially a bad mix.
>
> I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
> the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
> me. And Penny.
>
> Carol
>

While I agree with you generally, no one should ever attempt to approach a
dog without talking to the owner first. You make general conversation about
the dog and ask if it is o.k. for you to pet the dog. This alerts the owner
to pay attention to the dog and the interaction. It's like picking up
someone else's baby. They don't take to everyone nor do pets. My 2 cents
as a dog owner.
Janet

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
...
snip
dog, except very spoiled.
>
> I would not trust her around small children. She didn't know what they
> were. She was never exposed to them and tended to look at them
> suspiciously. When people came over she was locked in the spare bedroom,
> tv on of course.
snip
> Michael
>
That's very true. Dogs that are not socialized around small children do not
know what they are.
Janet

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:31:52 -0400, Cheryl wrote:
>
> But you don't know me very well. Those who do know that what I wrote in
> between those who need to be acting and weren't doing so. The store should
> have a control in process for when dogs bite and the control dictates that
> the cashiers keep doing their job.

the management shouldn't be letting ****ing dogs in the store.

your pal,
blake

Janet Bostwick wrote:
>
> "Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 17 Apr 2009 14:09:35 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>There are rules that need to be followed in these stores by the pet
> >>owner. Parents should monitor what their children are doing. These stores
> >>do not cater to children but for some reason parents seem to feel, just
> >>like they do every place else, their little darlings are entitled to do
> >>anything they please.
> >
> > However, the child (and her parents in the process) had been assured
> > that the dog was friendly. This, from a woman who *knew* that her
> > dog had an aversion to being touched on the back. And who kept losing
> > track of the fact that her dog had accompanied her to the store. It's
> > a Rottweiler. How do you misplace a Rott?
> >
> > Small children and dogs of any size, shape, age, or disposition are
> > potentially a bad mix.
> >
> > I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
> > the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
> > me. And Penny.
> >
> > Carol
> >
>
> While I agree with you generally, no one should ever attempt to approach a
> dog without talking to the owner first. You make general conversation about
> the dog and ask if it is o.k. for you to pet the dog. This alerts the owner
> to pay attention to the dog and the interaction. It's like picking up
> someone else's baby. They don't take to everyone nor do pets. My 2 cents
> as a dog owner.
> Janet

I'm always surprised how folks will ask, "Does your dog bite?" I would
respond with, "YES! All dogs bite!!!!!" Now, whether or not the dog is
likely to bite someone is a different matter.

Sky, who used to have a wonderful black great dane

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

In article >,
"Cheryl" > wrote:

> So I was shopping at my local pet food store (does that make it on topic?)

Only if you eat pet food.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - good news 4-6-2009
"What you say about someone else says more
about you than it does about the other person."

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
> I feel bad for both the little girl

That's nice of you!

> I feel for the Rottie's owner only because she could end up losing her
> dog.

Why did the stupid cow take a Rottweiler out without a muzzle?
She deserves to lose it and get an effing great fine!

Denise in NH wrote:
> I had a little incident while waiting in line with my dogs for rabies
> shots. My town has a day each year where you can go to the town garage
> and get discounted shots from local vets. No office visit expenses, etc.
>
> My dogs at the time were 100 lbs and 65 lbs and they were both friendly,
> but waiting in line with 10 or 15 other dogs and all of the people
> walking around was starting to make all of the dogs nervous and jumpy.

I had what I thought was an amusing incident at obedience school when I
took my 6 month old Bouvier des Flandres for training. There was a
woman there with a poodle. She was supposed to have been some sort of
professional who was just attending classes for the dog's sake. It was a
poodle. We were walking around in a circle when the instructor told
us to turn. She turned, but the poodle didn't. The stupid little poodle
lunged and snapped at my leg. My Bouvier jumped on top of it and
flattened it. She didn't even try to bite it, just pinned it to the
ground. The lady went postal and told me my dog was vicious. Hell, it
was the poodle that tried to bite me, and all my dog did was protect me,
and without using her teeth.

FWIW, Bouviers were bred to herd cattle. They use their bodies to shove
their charges, and use their teeth to nip. However, they are big dogs
and have powerful jaws. They make excellent card dogs. She was very
protective, but tended to use her substantial size as a physical
barrier. I heard from several friends who came to the house when we
were out that she was quite vicious sounding and would rear up by the
window and bare her teeth. My brother in law said that when he
experienced that he had rung the door bell and the next thing he knew
there was a monster looking through the window at him. Oddly, she never
acted like that when we were home.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> So why did the parents not stop the child from approaching the dog? The
> dog was obviously leashed and back in the owner's control. I see children
> running amuck in these stores all the time. Regardless of the signs
> posted parents allow their offspring to pound on the glass of animal
> cages etc. I see people in those stores that think the place is a
> petting zoo.

From what I have seen in stores, it is probably the kids who should be
leashed.

Pennyaline wrote:

> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on hot
> evenings.

Oh, you have one of those too! When our beloved Blanca was still alive,
I couldn't brush my teeth or put on my shoes without her turning into a
whimpering mess, running the length of the house and bouncing at the
front door so we wouldn't forget to take her. We'd tell her to stop
being a "Stress Poodle" (sorry, poodles!) Had to spell things all the
time. She still knew ...

She did go everywhere with us, and we only brought her into PetsMart
once so we could fit her with a proper harness. She hated the place.
Which was good, because I have some real reservations about other
peoples dogs and the opportunity of passing diseases around.

Many, if not most, of the people I've come across at these pet stores
don't have full control of their dogs and have them in collars that
wouldn't keep a hamster contained. Children very seldom respect a dog's
"space" and a lot of those dogs don't respect the owner enough to
recognize s/he is pack leader.

Just my .02¢ this Friday morning.

--Lin (misses Blanca when on my Saturday morning country drive to the
farmers market. That was "our" time)

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>
> Nice post Dave. Dogs are animals after all. They tend to do what comes
> naturally to them. People need to realize that even the most well
> behaved, well trained animal will react instinctively(sp) when provoked.
> People with children don't seem to realize it.

I had an embarrassing moment with my Belgium Shepherd at a family party
last summer. He was to stay at my SiL's chalet while we stayed at the
hotel after the party. I was sitting in a chair with my dog on a leash
behind me. I didn't see what happened, but I heard a sudden snarl and my
niece's daughter started shrieking like it was the end of the world,
and there marks a a bit of blood on her cheek. My niece saw what
happened. He did not bite her. He was lying on her side when the three
year old girl ambled over, bent over to pat him and fell on top of him.
In his scramble to get up he scratched her with his claws.

It shocked the daylights out of me. I don't think he had had much
exposure to little kids, and he is old and has sore joints. He doesn't
have a mean bone in his body, but it would be a rude surprise to be
napping on a summer day and have some other creature fall on you.

On Apr 17, 1:35*am, zxcvbob > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Cheryl > wrote:
>
> >>> But you don't know me very well. *Those who do know that what I wrote in
> >>> between those who need to be acting and weren't doing so.
>
> >> I kind of found it painful to read. *So I didn't.
>
> >> -sw
>
> > But shouldn't cases like this show that taking your dog or cat or
> > whatever into a pet food store where there are kids who don't know that
> > the pooch on the leash isn't friendly to kids even if the pet owners
> > didn't know their doggie can't deal with kids. *Seems to me a law suit
> > in the making
>
> This was totally the owner's fault. *According to the story, she had the
> dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl that the dog
> was friendly.
>
> If it were my kid, I probably would have attacked the dog at that point
> and one of us would have died. *I was ready to do that when my parents'
> dog growled and snapped (totally unprovoked) at my daughter when she was
> about 4 or 5 yo if he hadn't backed off. *He's mellowed with age and
> they get along great now. *'course she's a lot bigger than him now...
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here's a clue: It is ALWAYS the owner's fault unless the bitten
person is committing a felony at the time. This is our state law, and
I think it pretty much is the same as any other state's law. No
questions, no argument.

This one will end up in court because of the obvious damage, the
mental stress, and because the Rottie should be put down. Shame on AH
for allowing the dog to be destroyed (likely) because she wasn't
paying attention. Why take a dog to a pet food store, anyway????
Leave the damn thing at home.

N.

Lin wrote:
> Pennyaline wrote:
>
>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
>> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on
>> hot evenings.
>
> Oh, you have one of those too! When our beloved Blanca was still alive,
> I couldn't brush my teeth or put on my shoes without her turning into a
> whimpering mess, running the length of the house and bouncing at the
> front door so we wouldn't forget to take her. We'd tell her to stop
> being a "Stress Poodle" (sorry, poodles!) Had to spell things all the
> time. She still knew ...
>
> She did go everywhere with us, and we only brought her into PetsMart
> once so we could fit her with a proper harness. She hated the place.
> Which was good, because I have some real reservations about other
> peoples dogs and the opportunity of passing diseases around.
>
> Many, if not most, of the people I've come across at these pet stores
> don't have full control of their dogs and have them in collars that
> wouldn't keep a hamster contained. Children very seldom respect a dog's
> "space" and a lot of those dogs don't respect the owner enough to
> recognize s/he is pack leader.

You just hit my sore point about many dog owners. A dog isn't as smart
as a human. They know how to be a dog, period. If a human wants respect
as the pack leader they need to understand dog behavior and how to be
the pack leader. Dogs simply don't understand anything else.


>
> Just my .02¢ this Friday morning.
>
> --Lin (misses Blanca when on my Saturday morning country drive to the
> farmers market. That was "our" time)

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:26:00 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I had an embarrassing moment with my Belgium Shepherd at a family party
>last summer. He was to stay at my SiL's chalet while we stayed at the
>hotel after the party. I was sitting in a chair with my dog on a leash
>behind me. I didn't see what happened, but I heard a sudden snarl and my
> niece's daughter started shrieking like it was the end of the world,
>and there marks a a bit of blood on her cheek. My niece saw what
>happened. He did not bite her. He was lying on her side when the three
>year old girl ambled over, bent over to pat him and fell on top of him.
>In his scramble to get up he scratched her with his claws.
>
>It shocked the daylights out of me. I don't think he had had much
>exposure to little kids, and he is old and has sore joints. He doesn't
>have a mean bone in his body, but it would be a rude surprise to be
>napping on a summer day and have some other creature fall on you.

That's why we had to have Buddy put to sleep. His hips were killing
him, and anyone who touched him wrong got snapped at or bitten. He
was a pure bundle of love, but the pain ....

Carol

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Nancy2 wrote:
>
>
> Why take a dog to a pet food store, anyway????
> Leave the damn thing at home.
>


Why not? They sell dog food. It is good marketing to cater to dog
owners. If they sold food and toys for children I can see good reasons
to take children there.

In article >,
wrote:

> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:55:09 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:

> >Of course, some people really do need to calm down because
> >who can figure out what they are talking about. But I'm
> >certainly not going to 'chill out' at the orders of some person
> >who's the not calm one to start with.
> >
> >nancy, calm
>
> Actually Nancy I am completely calm.
>
> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals to a
> pet food store (unless a guide dog). Mix animals (no matter if calm)
> and people, someones gonna get a bite. Why subject the people or the
> dog to the aftermath.

That's the only way the dog is going to learn how to behave in public.
Sometimes people wonder about certain guide dogs. The person with the
guide dog just doesn't appear to need one. That could mean that the dog
is being raised to be a guide dog. There are people who specialize in
this. They take a puppy and raise them until they are old enough to
qualify for guide dog training. So, even though they aren't guide dogs
yet, haven't had the training and may never even qualify, they still
need to get used to going everywhere, including restaurants, grocery
stores and airplanes.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"Dan Abel = Duplicitous NetKKKop [WAS: DK StinKin' MOTHER****ER]"
(subject of post on rec.food.cooking dated April 15, 2009}

Dave Smith wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why take a dog to a pet food store, anyway????
>> Leave the damn thing at home.
>>
>
>
> Why not? They sell dog food. It is good marketing to cater to dog
> owners. If they sold food and toys for children I can see good reasons
> to take children there.

Well, other than my go-round with the insouciant Crested (it was all his
fault, ahem), I don't have a problem with the dogs in pet supply stores.
I do have a problem with how they are being handled by their owners some
times. And I have a huge problem with the way parents allow their
children to approach other people's dogs! A dog is a dog, and it will
behave like a dog no matter what. It's its thing. It's what it does. It
can't help it. The children need to be taught that what they're doing,
in simplest terms, might scare the doggie and that they must leave it alone.

My parents taught us well. They had five children who all wanted to "see
doggie!" They made it clear that it is not our dog, not our
Sammy/Polly/Delilah/Tasha/Sophie/Kate/Bibbins/Boris/Tinkerbell/Mackenzie/...
whichever of the many dogs we had over the years they were referring to
at the time, and to leave it be. Don't call it, don't go to it, don't
reach out for it, don't try to pet it. If it came to us by itself, we
must hold still and keep our hands at our sides. It isn't easy to do,
but it never failed.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...


>
> Hi Cheryl;
>
> You should learn about how to break up your writing into smaller units
> called paragraphs. I also suggest you avoid run-on sentences. Maybe its
> just me, but your posting is nearly unreadable.


I was tired. I usually do write much better than that. Funny, I do a
lot of writing for work, believe it or not.

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...


>
> I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
> the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
> me. And Penny.
>

I do, too. If you want to know why I put that in there, think human nature
experiment. I like to see what parts of a story people react to. The story
is true. The part about the cashier was exaggerated.

"Cheryl" > wrote in message
...
> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>
>> Hi Cheryl;
>>
>> You should learn about how to break up your writing into smaller units
>> called paragraphs. I also suggest you avoid run-on sentences. Maybe its
>> just me, but your posting is nearly unreadable.
>
>
> I was tired. I usually do write much better than that. Funny, I do a
> lot of writing for work, believe it or not.
>

Nice of you to smile while Stan is being a jackass. You can always tell the
people for whom Usenet is some kind of primary focus instead of just a hoot.
People who do a lot of writing, for a living or otherwise, are less likely
to fuss over Usenet posts.

Cheryl wrote:
> "Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>
>> I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
>> the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
>> me. And Penny.
>>
>
> I do, too. If you want to know why I put that in there, think human
> nature experiment. I like to see what parts of a story people react
> to. The story is true. The part about the cashier was exaggerated.

No shit, Sherlock. Probably everything you relate about other people and
the effect they have on you is exaggerated to one degree or another.
That said, I still believe that you *really did* see the cashier in that
way - in full hysterics - because I have no reason to doubt that's how
you saw it. The whole event kept you standing on line and threw a wrench
into your whole day, and that's all that mattered to you.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
>> "Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
>>> the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
>>> me. And Penny.
>>>
>>
>> I do, too. If you want to know why I put that in there, think human
>> nature experiment. I like to see what parts of a story people react to.
>> The story is true. The part about the cashier was exaggerated.
>
> No shit, Sherlock. Probably everything you relate about other people and
> the effect they have on you is exaggerated to one degree or another. That
> said, I still believe that you *really did* see the cashier in that way -
> in full hysterics - because I have no reason to doubt that's how you saw
> it. The whole event kept you standing on line and threw a wrench into your
> whole day, and that's all that mattered to you.


You can believe that if you want. Knock yer socks off. And you're very
interesting to read. I think I'll flag your posts and watch you more.

On Apr 17, 1:35*am, zxcvbob > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
> > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Cheryl > wrote:
>
> >>> But you don't know me very well. *Those who do know that what I wrote in
> >>> between those who need to be acting and weren't doing so.
>
> >> I kind of found it painful to read. *So I didn't.
>
> >> -sw
>
> > But shouldn't cases like this show that taking your dog or cat or
> > whatever into a pet food store where there are kids who don't know that
> > the pooch on the leash isn't friendly to kids even if the pet owners
> > didn't know their doggie can't deal with kids. *Seems to me a law suit
> > in the making
>
> This was totally the owner's fault. *According to the story, she had the
> dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl that the dog
> was friendly.
>
> If it were my kid, I probably would have attacked the dog at that point
> and one of us would have died. *I was ready to do that when my parents'
> dog growled and snapped (totally unprovoked) at my daughter when she was
> about 4 or 5 yo if he hadn't backed off. *He's mellowed with age and
> they get along great now. *'course she's a lot bigger than him now...

I've yet to ever kill a dog, but I'm only 48.
>
> Bob

----Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Apr 17, 10:07*am, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>
> > * Why take a dog to a pet food store, anyway????
> > Leave the damn thing at home.
>
> Why not? They sell dog food. It is good marketing to cater to dog
> owners. If they sold food and toys for children I can see good reasons
> to take children there.

Perhaps the little girl enjoys rawhide chews.

I know I've always wanted one of those little deep-sea divers they
sell for aquariums -- I've never wanted to own fish, however.

On Apr 17, 11:28*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> On Apr 17, 1:35*am, zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Cheryl wrote:
> > > "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> Cheryl > wrote:
>
> > >>> But you don't know me very well. *Those who do know that what I wrote in
> > >>> between those who need to be acting and weren't doing so.
>
> > >> I kind of found it painful to read. *So I didn't.
>
> > >> -sw
>
> > > But shouldn't cases like this show that taking your dog or cat or
> > > whatever into a pet food store where there are kids who don't know that
> > > the pooch on the leash isn't friendly to kids even if the pet owners
> > > didn't know their doggie can't deal with kids. *Seems to me a law suit
> > > in the making
>
> > This was totally the owner's fault. *According to the story, she had the
> > dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl that the dog
> > was friendly.
>
> > If it were my kid, I probably would have attacked the dog at that point
> > and one of us would have died. *I was ready to do that when my parents'
> > dog growled and snapped (totally unprovoked) at my daughter when she was
> > about 4 or 5 yo if he hadn't backed off. *He's mellowed with age and
> > they get along great now. *'course she's a lot bigger than him now...
>
> > Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Here's a clue: *It is ALWAYS the owner's fault unless the bitten
> person is committing a felony at the time. *This is our state law, and
> I think it pretty much is the same as any other state's law. *No
> questions, no argument.
>
> This one will end up in court because of the obvious damage, the
> mental stress, and because the Rottie should be put down. *Shame on AH
> for allowing the dog to be destroyed (likely) because she wasn't
> paying attention. *Why take a dog to a pet food store, anyway????
> Leave the damn thing at home.

Dogs that bite children should be destroyed. Period. In every case.
>
> N.

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Apr 16, 8:25*pm, "Cheryl" > wrote:
> So I was shopping at my local pet food store (does that make it on topic?)
> tonight and a woman ahead of me in line had her rottie on a lead but somehow
> the lead slipped off her wrist and the dog wandered away. *First clue that
> she was paying no attention to what was going on. *A small family came in
> with a little girl, and while the rottie was free from his airhead (AH), he
> rubbed up against the little girl, she squealed which alerted airhead that
> her dog was free. *He really scared her. *So AH tried to calm the girl and
> let her know that her rottie was friendly and secured him again, and went
> back to her business of paying for her order, which was holding up the line.
> So AH is paying, little girl went to pet rottie again, rottie didn't like it
> this time and bit the girl's hand. *That dog was vicious and didn't even
> give a clue he was going to bite, and all I heard was ggggggrrrrrrrr bark
> bark ggggggrrrrrrrr WAAAAAA. *A lot of stuff went on mostly causing my time
> to be wasted because cashier girl was freaking out. *Mostly AH saying the
> little girl shouldn't have been petting her rottie and was she petting his
> back, because he doesn't like that. *I don't think anyone knew the extent of
> the bite wound, and AH and her rottie left the store as the other cashier
> called someone in the back to tell them of the dog bite. *These things have
> to be reported you know. *Hidden employees who don't help the customers came
> running to stop AH in the barkH^H^parking lot and 15 minutes later I'm still
> not checked out. *I don't even think the parents would have done anything
> about the bite because the hidden employees who chased down AH and the
> rottie had to find them in the store and take them in the back room, and
> finally as I got to pay and leave and was making my way out of the parking
> lot back into my commute home, a fire engine with sirens blaring with an
> ambulance in hot pursuit were making their way to the pet food store. *What
> I didn't see before I moved up in line was a lot of blood on the floor and
> even the woman in front of me was trying to get her bags replaced because
> they were bloody. *Fingers bleed profusely, so I'm hoping it looked much
> worse than it was.

The parents should have made absolutely sure that the dog was put
down, then they should have sued the owner for everything she owned.
>
> --
> Cheryl

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Cheryl wrote:
> You can believe that if you want. Knock yer socks off. And you're very
> interesting to read. I think I'll flag your posts and watch you more.

I am interesting to read. Now hurry along and work on a reaction more
productive than deflection, okay? That's a girl!

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
>> You can believe that if you want. Knock yer socks off. And you're very
>> interesting to read. I think I'll flag your posts and watch you more.
>
> I am interesting to read. Now hurry along and work on a reaction more
> productive than deflection, okay? That's a girl!
>

Did I press a button? How do I turn it off?

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:39:30 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>Cheryl wrote:
>> You can believe that if you want. Knock yer socks off. And you're very
>> interesting to read. I think I'll flag your posts and watch you more.
>
>I am interesting to read. Now hurry along and work on a reaction more
>productive than deflection, okay? That's a girl!

I'm gonna watch both of you. This may require Kettle Corn.

Carol

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Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

>
> Dogs that bite children should be destroyed. Period. In every case.

Poppycock. Most dog bites are just nips that don't even draw blood, and
it may have been provoked by the kid's behaviour. Large dogs that give
serious bites can be allowed one. Vicious dogs who maul shopuld be
destroyed.

Dave Smith wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>>
>> Dogs that bite children should be destroyed. Period. In every case.
>
> Poppycock. Most dog bites are just nips that don't even draw blood, and
> it may have been provoked by the kid's behaviour. Large dogs that give
> serious bites can be allowed one. Vicious dogs who maul shopuld be
> destroyed.


And FWIW, I have been bitten many times. I was probably bitten a dozen
times before one every drew blood. Ironically, that one was a Chihuahua.
Most of them were just nips.

"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On 17 Apr 2009 14:09:35 GMT, "Michael \"Dog3\""
> > wrote:
>
>>There are rules that need to be followed in these stores by the pet
>>owner. Parents should monitor what their children are doing. These stores
>>do not cater to children but for some reason parents seem to feel, just
>>like they do every place else, their little darlings are entitled to do
>>anything they please.
>
> However, the child (and her parents in the process) had been assured
> that the dog was friendly. This, from a woman who *knew* that her
> dog had an aversion to being touched on the back. And who kept losing
> track of the fact that her dog had accompanied her to the store. It's
> a Rottweiler. How do you misplace a Rott?
>
> Small children and dogs of any size, shape, age, or disposition are
> potentially a bad mix.
>
My little dog Sampson never weighed more than 12 lbs. but he did *not* like
children. They were too noisy, too boisterous and always thought he was a
"puppy" so they'd rush over to try to pet him. When I was walking him (yes,
on a lead) even when I told children he wasn't friendly they always tried to
pet him anyway. This despite the fact that he'd be growling and snarling.
Parents need to teach their kids, if the dog's owner says the dog isn't
friendly, believe it.

However, according to Cheryl, the dog approached the child first when the
shopper lost track of it. It scared the child, but it didn't hurt her. And
the dog owner assured the child the dog was harmless. That was a mistake.

Maybe she should make a practice of telling people to not touch her dog.
Not to scare the child, mind you, just to say "You're okay, he didn't hurt
you. But please don't touch him, he doesn't know you." (Everyone will call
this Jill doing child bashing, but why didn't the parents notice their
toddler had wandered off and approached the dog after that?)

> I feel bad for everyone involved. Well, I'm not too concerned about
> the customers who were inconvenienced by the incident, but that's just
> me. And Penny.
>
Oh, I don't think having to stand in line 10, 15, 20 minutes longer is
really an issue. PetCo's ads state it's "where the pets go!" and they mean
it. I've seen a lot of dogs in Petco. I think PetSmart allows it, too.
But they have liability insurance issues to worry about. Seeing to the
child, whether it was a severe bite or not, would have been their first
priority. If the employees in the aisles were otherwise unhelpful before
the incident occurred, that's a whole separate issue, IMHO.

Jill

Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> Good advice Janet and good comparison. I assume most parents wouldn't
> dream of allowing their offspring the license to pick up someone else's
> child, say at the supermarket or shopping mall. As I said before, any dog
> has the potential to bite.

As I mentioned in a previous post, my gentle Lab bite almost right
through my hand, but it was an exceptional circumstance. He was just a
gentle dog that I felt that I had to intervene to help him out when the
other dog attacked him. I was busy watching the German Shepherd that I
was afraid was going to break his leg.

We all know that dogs are animals and that we have to be careful with
them. Cats, dogs, gerbils, hamsters.... they all bite when they are afraid.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:24:36 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>Parents need to teach their kids, if the dog's owner says the dog isn't
>friendly, believe it.
>
>However, according to Cheryl, the dog approached the child first when the
>shopper lost track of it. It scared the child, but it didn't hurt her. And
>the dog owner assured the child the dog was harmless. That was a mistake.
>
>Maybe she should make a practice of telling people to not touch her dog.
>Not to scare the child, mind you, just to say "You're okay, he didn't hurt
>you. But please don't touch him, he doesn't know you." (Everyone will call
>this Jill doing child bashing, but why didn't the parents notice their
>toddler had wandered off and approached the dog after that?)

Not me. This is precisely how the owner should have handled the
situation. Good call.

Carol

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"Damsel in dis Dress"
zxcvbob wrote:

>>This was totally the owner's fault. According to the story, she had the
>>dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl that the dog
>>was friendly.
>
> You've hit the nail on the head. This poor little girl not only has
> physical injuries, but has likely suffered emotional trauma that isn't
> going to go away as quickly as the wound will. If ever.

Correct. Lets also add that any dog with a possibility of biting due to
it's nature, has to have a muzzle. They make simple ones now that just hold
the top and bottom jaws together. If that dog had been wearing such, there
would have been no issue.

My state or perhaps it's just the petsmart, seems to require it for the
larger dogs. There's a person at the door who won't let you in if they see
certain types, not wearing one.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
>
>> So why did the parents not stop the child from approaching the dog? The
>> dog was obviously leashed and back in the owner's control. I see children
>> running amuck in these stores all the time. Regardless of the signs
>> posted parents allow their offspring to pound on the glass of animal
>> cages etc. I see people in those stores that think the place is a
>> petting zoo.
>
> From what I have seen in stores, it is probably the kids who should be
> leashed.


Perhaps these days... it wouldn't have occurred to me to pitch a fit or
wander away from my mother when she took me to the store, no matter how
fascinating the display or how enticing the sweets or whatever. Back when I
was a kid it was a privilege, not a right, to go to the store. (I do
realize not everyone can find someone to sit with their children when they
shop.)

I remember when I worked in a shopping mall in the late 1970s and especially
early 1980s (after the Adam Walsh abduction/murder) seeing parents with
"leashes" on their young children. Mostly toddlers. Given the very real
fear about children being snatched by unscrupulous people from large
department stores, I thought it a quite sensible idea rather than some form
of cruel and unusual punishment.

Jill

On Apr 17, 4:24*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> >> Dogs that bite children should be destroyed. *Period. *In every case.
>
> > Poppycock. Most dog bites are just nips that don't even draw blood, and
> > it may have been provoked by the kid's behaviour. *Large dogs that give
> > serious bites can be allowed one. Vicious dogs who maul shopuld be
> > destroyed.
>
> And FWIW, I have been *bitten many times. I was probably bitten a dozen
> times before one every drew blood. Ironically, that one was a Chihuahua.
> Most of them were just nips.

I'm not talking about playful nips. I mean bites, blood and such.
You are a traitor to your species.

--Bryan

On Apr 17, 5:05*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® :
> in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > The parents should have made absolutely sure that the dog was put
> > down, then they should have sued the owner for everything she owned.
>
> Oh yes, I think the parents of the child should expose their own stupidity
> to the courts in a civil suit, pay thousands of dollars in legal fees only
> to lose. Gawd... *And the dog will never be put down by the law, unless
> it's bitten someone at least 3 times. *At least that's the way it is in St.
> Louis City. *

You like dogs better than humans. Species traitor.
>
> Michael
>
--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com