"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> Pennyaline wrote:
>
>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
>> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on
>> hot evenings.
>
> (laughing) This is someone who knows dogs. Funny.
>
> Too bad dogs learn pig latin really quickly, also they can
> spell.
>
> nancy

You forgot that they can count and have watches.
Janet

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:07:10 -0600, Pennyaline
> > wrote:
>
wrote:
>>>
>>> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals to a
>>> pet food store (unless a guide dog). Mix animals (no matter if calm)
>>> and people, someones gonna get a bite.
snip
This is a pet store. You are allowed to bring your animal in and fit them
with collars, coats, boots, car restraints, etc. The store has grooming
services. Animal shelters have adoption services there. People who go
there expect to encounter animals there. This is not a store where all you
buy is pet food. By its very nature animals are present. If anything, the
child was inappropriate. While I agree that the dog owner was not attentive
and in control in this case, parents need to take responsibility for and
protect their children. That child could have as easily approached a loose
dog in the street, been in a china shop and dumped something on herself and
gotten cut. You see kids everyday that are allowed to watch the men working
in the street or cutting trees or whatever and the kids are allowed to climb
on their equipment and get underfoot and the assumption is that the workers
will watch out for them. Wrong. I am a parent as well as a dog owner and I
know and practice my responsibilities for each.
Janet

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> On Apr 17, 4:24 pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>>> Dogs that bite children should be destroyed. Period. In every case.
>>> Poppycock. Most dog bites are just nips that don't even draw blood, and
>>> it may have been provoked by the kid's behaviour. Large dogs that give
>>> serious bites can be allowed one. Vicious dogs who maul shopuld be
>>> destroyed.
>> And FWIW, I have been bitten many times. I was probably bitten a dozen
>> times before one every drew blood. Ironically, that one was a Chihuahua.
>> Most of them were just nips.
>
> I'm not talking about playful nips. I mean bites, blood and such.
> You are a traitor to your species.
>
> --Bryan

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> Cheryl wrote:
>> "Pennyaline" > wrote
>>> I feel for the Rottie's owner only because she could end up losing her
>>> dog. I am angry that she didn't pay enough attention to notice it had
>>> gotten off its lead and wandered away from her. And I'm angry that, if
>>> she knew the dog didn't like having his back petted, she didn't do more
>>> to keep it away from the child.
>>>
>>> You I don't feel bad for. Fifteen minutes on line... oh my Gawd!
>>> Tragedy!
>>
>>
>> But you don't know me very well. Those who do know that what I wrote in
>> between those who need to be acting and weren't doing so.
>
> Uhhhhhh... what?
>
>
>
>> The store should have a control in process for when dogs bite and the
>> control dictates that the cashiers keep doing their job.
>
> Once more, with feeling: WHAT??
>
> You're wrong. I think I know you just fine. The post was all about the
> stupid dog owner and the irresponsible parents and the hidden employees
> who don't help customers, served with dollops of how badly they were
> wasting your time. There was no empathy for the Rottie owner, or even for
> the Rottie. You didn't come off as truly concerned about the little girl
> and you as near as libeled her parents. As for the store employees, you
> didn't relay the merest trace of understanding of what they were
> experiencing and the emergency they were being required to handle. It was
> all about how inconvenient the event was for you. If this had been a work
> of short fiction, you would score points for your main character's (that's
> you) appallingly insulated presence in the face of a catastrophe occurring
> within arms reach, with a nice attempt at epiphany when the blood on the
> floor and bags finally registers. But since it was a real event, you've
> only succeeded in portraying yourself as an asshole.

Damn! You're like my smarter sister on PMS. (No offense, Cheryl. I don't
even have a dog in this fight. So to speak.)

On Apr 17, 4:59*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> "Janet Bostwick" :in rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > While I agree with you generally, no one should ever attempt to
> > approach a dog without talking to the owner first. *You make general
> > conversation about the dog and ask if it is o.k. for you to pet the
> > dog. *This alerts the owner to pay attention to the dog and the
> > interaction. *It's like picking up someone else's baby. *They don't
> > take to everyone nor do pets. *My 2 cents as a dog owner.
>
> Good advice Janet and good comparison. *I assume most parents wouldn't
> dream of allowing their offspring the license to pick up someone else's
> child, say at the supermarket or shopping mall. *As I said before, any dog
> has the potential to bite.

IIRC, the AH had assured the family of the little girl that the dog
was "friendly."

If it had been my child, the owner would have 3 choices:
1. Have the dog peacefully put down.
2. Hide the dog where I couldn't get to it.
3. Risk having the dog die a far more painful and prolonged death.
Few things are easier to kill than a dog. They'll eat damned near
anything, and this time we wouldn't be talking capsaicin.

An excerpt from the Test of the Gom Jabbar, from the first Dune book:

"The old woman said: 'You've heard of animals chewing off a leg to
escape a trap? There's an animal kind of trick. A human would remain
in the trap, endure the pain, feigning death that he might kill the
trapper and remove a threat to his kind.' "
source-- http://www.duarte.cl/blog/post.php?id=51395

If you prioritize animals over humans, you have surrendered a certain
portion of your humanity.

>
> Michael
>
--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>
>>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere
>>> with us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice
>>> eam-cray on hot evenings.
>>
>> (laughing) This is someone who knows dogs. Funny.
>>
>> Too bad dogs learn pig latin really quickly, also they can
>> spell.

> You forgot that they can count and have watches.

You're right! I've been dogless for way too long.

nancy

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

>> And FWIW, I have been bitten many times. I was probably bitten a dozen
>> times before one every drew blood. Ironically, that one was a Chihuahua.
>> Most of them were just nips.
>
> I'm not talking about playful nips. I mean bites, blood and such.
> You are a traitor to your species.


Poppycock. Most dog bites are no bog deal. Trust me. I have been bitten
by lots of them. It was probably my own fault because I loved dogs and
had no fear of them, probably deserved it. My parents never threatened
to sue anyone or have their dog destroyed. I was told to be more
careful, not to touch strange dogs, not to touch dogs when they are
eating ( a few bites from doing that). I have also been bitten by cats,
gerbils, hamsters, parakeets, lab rats, even a dolphin, and I am still
alive and not at all traumatized.

On Apr 17, 8:16*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> >> And FWIW, I have been *bitten many times. I was probably bitten a dozen
> >> times before one every drew blood. Ironically, that one was a Chihuahua.
> >> Most of them were just nips.
>
> > I'm not talking about playful nips. *I mean bites, blood and such.
> > You are a traitor to your species.
>
> Poppycock. Most dog bites are no bog deal. Trust me. I have been bitten
> by lots of them. It was probably my own fault because I loved dogs and
> had no fear of them, probably deserved it. My parents never threatened
> to sue anyone or have their dog destroyed. I was told to be more
> careful, not to touch strange dogs, not to touch dogs when they are
> eating ( a few bites from doing that). I have also been bitten by cats,
> gerbils, hamsters, parakeets, lab rats, even a dolphin, and I am still
> alive and not at all traumatized.

I was bitten pretty severely by a cat too. Within a week, the cat was
dead. I'll never get back that $25 that my wife insisted I pay to get
a trap and have it euthanized by a vet. We lived in Florida. The
soil was sandy. I had a shovel. All it would have cost was half a
buck for a can of wet food to distract it while I delivered a fatal
blow. Instant, skull crushing death. We lived right next to a small
wooded area. Twenty five bucks.

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:


>
> I was bitten pretty severely by a cat too. Within a week, the cat was
> dead. I'll never get back that $25 that my wife insisted I pay to get
> a trap and have it euthanized by a vet. We lived in Florida. The
> soil was sandy. I had a shovel. All it would have cost was half a
> buck for a can of wet food to distract it while I delivered a fatal
> blow. Instant, skull crushing death. We lived right next to a small
> wooded area. Twenty five bucks.
>

I'd be interested to know the circumstances of the bite. Sitting quietly on
your porch when the cat appeared out of nowhere and attacked you? Or were
you interacting with the cat in some way?

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

On Apr 17, 5:40*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> > Good advice Janet and good comparison. *I assume most parents wouldn't
> > dream of allowing their offspring the license to pick up someone else's
> > child, say at the supermarket or shopping mall. *As I said before, any dog
> > has the potential to bite.
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post, my gentle Lab bite almost right
> through my hand, but it was an exceptional circumstance. *He was just a
> gentle dog that I felt that I had to intervene to help him out when the
> other dog attacked him. I was busy watching the German Shepherd that I
> was afraid was going to break his leg.
>
> We all know that dogs are animals and that we have to be careful with
> them. Cats, dogs, gerbils, hamsters.... they all bite when they are afraid.

You were the one bitten. Your call to let it live. Sounds like there
were huge mitigating factors. You are not a small child. Society
permits you to drink Wild Turkey, smoke cigarettes, own a handgun, and
in many jurisdictions, ride a motorcycle w/o a helmet.

A former coworker told me some things about dogfighting culture. he
said that any serious dogfighter will have his dog put down if it
shows any biteyness toward humans. He acted out the motion of the two
owners pulling their dogs apart at the end of a fight, and stressed
how crucial it was that even in that frenzied state, they not ever
bite the humans.

Don't think I condone dogfighting, but this guy told me this, and I
know that he raises pitbulls. Does he fight them? I don't know, but
he certainly seems to have been involved in the activity at one time.
You do know that the handlers are right there in the pit with the
fighting dogs.
http://www.animallaw.info/articles/d...ting.htm#_edn5

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Apr 17, 8:36*pm, Rhonda Anderson > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote :
>
>
>
> > I was bitten pretty severely by a cat too. *Within a week, the cat was
> > dead. *I'll never get back that $25 that my wife insisted I pay to get
> > a trap and have it euthanized by a vet. *We lived in Florida. *The
> > soil was sandy. *I had a shovel. *All it would have cost was half a
> > buck for a can of wet food to distract it while I delivered a fatal
> > blow. *Instant, skull crushing death. *We lived right next to a small
> > wooded area. *Twenty five bucks.
>
> I'd be interested to know the circumstances of the bite. Sitting quietly on
> your porch when the cat appeared out of nowhere and attacked you? Or were
> you interacting with the cat in some way?

It was a stray, and I pitied it because it was skinny. I started
giving it food out in front of the apartment, and I'd pet it and it'd
nuzzle me. Once, I let it inside because we were having a little 15
minute thunderstorm. I fed it and pet it, and when it was time for it
to leave, I opened the door and tried to coax it. Next I tried to
gently shoo it out. Finally, I picked it up, and it lit into me in a
very bloody way.

I am not concerned with fault of any of that, which I consider
nonsense when an animal attacks a human. I like cats. I'm a cat
person, but an animal who bites with that ferocity is a threat to our
species.
>
> --
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia
>
--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Apr 17, 8:43*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® :in
> rec.food.cooking
>
>
>
> > IIRC, the AH had assured the family of the little girl that the dog
> > was "friendly."
>
> Yes, I believe you're correct but it was when the dog got away from it's
> owner. *The child was bitten when the owner had taken the dog back and
> resumed her line at the check out. *Correct me if I'm wrong here.
>
>
>
> > If it had been my child, the owner would have 3 choices:
> > 1. Have the dog peacefully put down.
>
> ROFLMAO... Good luck!
>
> > 2. Hide the dog where I couldn't get to it.
> > 3. Risk having the dog die a far more painful and prolonged death.
> > Few things are easier to kill than a dog. *They'll eat damned near
> > anything, and this time we wouldn't be talking capsaicin.
>
> We all know how you enjoy tormenting and torturing animals. You've
> admitted to such. *I believe we had a discussion on this once before and
> I called you a coward. *My opinion of you still holds. *Your bragging
> about your demented fantasies regarding the torture and murder of animals
> has been well documented on Usenet.
>
>
>
> > An excerpt from the Test of the Gom Jabbar, from the first Dune book:
>
> I haven't read a Dune book since I was probably 12 and I could care less
> what the author says regarding humanity.

You are a traitor to the human species. You have become part dog.
>
> Michael
>
--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

, who I'm just gonna call RFF, wrote:

> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals to a
> pet food store (unless a guide dog).

Sure there's [sic] is! I used to take my dog inside the pet store because
she LIKED it! So much to see and smell, and so many people to coo over
her... It was a treat for her, and a helluva lot more humane and considerate
than leaving her in the sweltering truck all alone.

It appears to me that you dislike dogs, and you apparently see nothing wrong
with denying them the opportunity to socialize.

Bob

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Pennyaline wrote:
>>
>>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
>>> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on
>>> hot evenings.
>> (laughing) This is someone who knows dogs. Funny.
>>
>> Too bad dogs learn pig latin really quickly, also they can
>> spell.
>>
>> nancy
>
> You forgot that they can count and have watches.

But they STILL can't read!

<the cat has to read to them>

Bryan wrote:

> You are a traitor to the human species. You have become part dog.

By and large, dogs are a helluva lot more trustworthy and noble than human
beings. Which would you rather have as a constant companion: Sheldon
(http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/uv/imag..._guyshead.jpeg) or a dog
(http://i40.tinypic.com/28bec9j.jpg)?

Bob

blake wrote:

> the management shouldn't be letting ****ing dogs in the store.

I didn't see anything in Cheryl's post which indicated that there were dogs
****ing in the store.

Bob

On Apr 17, 9:17*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > You are a traitor to the human species. *You have become part dog.
>
> By and large, dogs are a helluva lot more trustworthy and noble than human
> beings. Which would you rather have as a constant companion: Sheldon
> (http://www.artlex.com/ArtLex/uv/imag..._guyshead.jpeg) or a dog
> (http://i40.tinypic.com/28bec9j.jpg)?

Now Bob, I know you understand the concept of *outlier*.
>
> Bob

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Lin wrote:

> She did go everywhere with us, and we only brought her into PetsMart once
> so we could fit her with a proper harness. She hated the place. Which was
> good, because I have some real reservations about other peoples dogs and
> the opportunity of passing diseases around.

She loved going to PetsMart with *me*. I usually brought her in there to
help choose a new tug rope or something like that, and the employees were
always very nice to her. There *was* a groomer there who obviously didn't
like her job, and it was the only time that Blanca wasn't ecstatic about
being groomed. In general, she really loved nosing around the place and
making new friends.

Bob

Bryan wrote:

> I'm a cat person, but an animal who bites with that ferocity is a threat
> to our species.

You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!

Bob

Bryan wrote:

> You like dogs better than humans. Species traitor.

The way you keep going on and on with that "species traitor" thing makes me
wonder if you are trying to write a song about it, and hoping we all buy it.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!

Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks
that didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a
simple cat scratch.

And now something of the wilder variety ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SxVUSqh3xo&NR=1

OBFood: I understand the bar named a drink called 'The Rabid Bobcat'
after the attack.

--Lin

Lin wrote:

>> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>>
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>
> Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
> Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
> didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
> cat scratch.

But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.

Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
by domestic cats.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
> in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
> by domestic cats.

Buh-buh-buh ... what about Laser Cats?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/16387/satu...t-laser-cats-3

The Laser Dog is pretty bad ass. ;-)

--Lin

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote

>If you prioritize animals over humans, you have surrendered a certain
>portion of your humanity.


Horse shit, you cretin. The measure of your humanity is taken from how you
treat creatures that are dependant upon you--human and otherwise. You are a
waste of an egg and seed and a whole bunch of hot air.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:24:15 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Lin responded to Bob, who was responding to Bobo:
>
>>> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>>>
>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>>
>> Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
>> Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
>> didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
>> cat scratch.
>
>But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
>is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>
>Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
>in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
>by domestic cats.

You mean Bobo was WRONG? Bobo is never wrong! You have shattered my
reality. I must regroup.

Carol, wondering what kind of a name Bobo is for a grown man

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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:36:11 -0400, "cyberpurrs"
> wrote:

>"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote
>
>>If you prioritize animals over humans, you have surrendered a certain
>>portion of your humanity.
>
>
>Horse shit, you cretin. The measure of your humanity is taken from how you
>treat creatures that are dependant upon you--human and otherwise. You are a
>waste of an egg and seed and a whole bunch of hot air.

Have I mentioned recently how very much I like you?

Carol

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Damsel wrote:

> Carol, wondering what kind of a name Bobo is for a grown man

Can you please provide a cite in which Bobo CLAIMS to be a grown man?

Bob

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:24:15 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Damsel wrote:
>
>> Carol, wondering what kind of a name Bobo is for a grown man
>
>Can you please provide a cite in which Bobo CLAIMS to be a grown man?

Um ... no? So I guess he ain't lyin'!

Carol

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On Apr 17, 9:40 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Bryan wrote:
> > You like dogs better than humans. Species traitor.
>
> The way you keep going on and on with that "species traitor" thing makes me
> wonder if you are trying to write a song about it, and hoping we all buy it.

I don't often try to write songs. I just do write songs.
Interestingly though, I did write a song called Traitor, but the verse
lyrics never flushed out. The chorus was/is:

Union busting rent-a-cop, well
You're a traitor to your class, and it'd
Serve you right if a fellow worker kicked
Yeah, kicked
Your freakin' ass

Considering that you've never really heard my work, your hostility to
it is based on your feelings toward me, not my songs, and I say, "me,"
as opposed to my Usenet persona because I really do tell the truth on
here about how I think. That's why I'm pretty certain that any
logician would never conclude that I have stated that I get pleasure
from the suffering of animals.
I care no more, no less about the suffering of a dog than about the
suffering of a factory farmed pig, and I bet that most of my critics
here eat factory farmed pork. I choose not to eat veal, and would
choose not to eat foie gras--but that's not a sacrifice because I
detest liver--because in those cases the abuse, in my opinion, crosses
an arbitrary line. IIRC, I have never condemned anyone for eating
veal. I may have explained why I'm squeamish about it.

I do, however, take pleasure in the pain of certain humans, such as
the negligent dog owners who fail to curb their dogs. There are dogs
that I like, gentle dogs that don't have it in them to harm a person.
Those who choose to own dogs that are not human child safe should be
punished if their foolish decision leads to a human child getting
hurt. I'm not against, for example, Om having a handgun, but if she
was so negligent as to let that gun cause harm to a child, she should
endure consequences. I do not give dogs a special dispensation. Dogs
that have potential for harming humans are dangerous weapons, just
like guns, and when the owner fails to exercise due diligence they
should have their right to own dogs taken away, just as habitual drunk
drivers are banned from driving, or child molesters are banned from
unsupervised contact with children, or violent felons are disallowed
the right to own firearms.

Dogs are wonderful as assitance animals for the disabled. Many breeds
make wonderful pets, and both human and dog are enhanced by that
relationship. People who keep potentially dangerous types of dogs are
not morally reprehensible, like those who breed and fight pit bulls,
but they are ignorant and selfish, and when that selfishness leads to
an attack against a human, I call it as I see it.

FURTHERMO
If my goal was to sell CDs, I sure as heck wouldn't post stuff that I
know alienates potential *customers*.
I offered mp3s for free. It's easy enough to pirate anyone's stuff.
The only thing that a person is required to pay for is an authorized
CD, which in this case comes with enhancments other than full quality
sound, which is pretty easy to get w/o paying for it. It's kind of
like the public radio model. If you like it enough, and can afford
it, you buy in and get the coffee mug or tote bag. If not, you listen
for free. We realize that, and aren't "hoping [you] all buy it." I'm
sleepy. Goodnight all.
>
> Bob

On Apr 17, 10:24*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Lin wrote:
> >> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>
> >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>
> > Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
> > Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
> > didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
> > cat scratch.
>
> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>
> Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
> in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
> by domestic cats.

I can too, but it would have been a bit traumatic for my dear sweet
wife had I done so then and there.
>
> Bob

--Bryan

Bobo wrote:

>> The way you keep going on and on with that "species traitor" thing makes
>> me wonder if you are trying to write a song about it, and hoping we all
>> buy it.
>
> I don't often try to write songs. I just do write songs.
> Interestingly though, I did write a song called Traitor, but the verse
> lyrics never flushed out. The chorus was/is:
>
> Union busting rent-a-cop, well
> You're a traitor to your class, and it'd
> Serve you right if a fellow worker kicked
> Yeah, kicked
> Your freakin' ass
>
> Considering that you've never really heard my work, your hostility to
> it is based on your feelings toward me, not my songs, and I say, "me,"
> as opposed to my Usenet persona because I really do tell the truth on
> here about how I think.

Exactly where did I write anything hostile toward your music? Or when you
wrote "my work" were you referring to the MARKETING of your music in this
forum, rather than the music itself?

Bob

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:

Dogs
> that have potential for harming humans are dangerous weapons, just
> like guns, and when the owner fails to exercise due diligence they
> should have their right to own dogs taken away, just as habitual drunk
> drivers are banned from driving, or child molesters are banned from
> unsupervised contact with children, or violent felons are disallowed
> the right to own firearms.

_Every_ dog has the potential to harm humans. _Every_ dog. _Every_ breed.

The only dog with no potential to harm anyone is one that has had its teeth
and claws removed.

Even those "gentle" dogs you mentioned who would never harm anyone may bite
if they were threatened or injured.

Owners of all dogs should act responsibly. And anyone who may be in the
vicinity of a dog should also act responsibly. Parents should not let their
children approach or pat strange dogs.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:


>
> I am not concerned with fault of any of that, which I consider
> nonsense when an animal attacks a human.

Is this lack of concern in relation to fault restricted to domestic
animals? If someone jumps into a pool full of polar bears and gets mauled
(as happened recently) should the bears be despatched as a "threat to the
species"?

If someone provokes an animal that has claws and teeth, they should expect
those claws and teeth to be used in reaction. A cat or dog is not a stuffed
toy or a robot.


--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

On Apr 18, 3:39*am, Rhonda Anderson > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote :
>
> *Dogs
>
> > that have potential for harming humans are dangerous weapons, just
> > like guns, and when the owner fails to exercise due diligence they
> > should have their right to own dogs taken away, just as habitual drunk
> > drivers are banned from driving, or child molesters are banned from
> > unsupervised contact with children, or violent felons are disallowed
> > the right to own firearms.
>
> _Every_ dog has the potential to harm humans. _Every_ dog. _Every_ breed.
>
> The only dog with no potential to harm anyone is one that has had its teeth
> and claws removed.

Then perhaps no one should bring them into public, ever. What type of
dog do you own, or have you owned?

The dog in this tale is a MFing rottweiler.
>
> Even those "gentle" dogs you mentioned who would never harm anyone may bite
> if they were threatened or injured.

Did the little girl in the original post go up and pull the dog's
tail? No, she attempted to be affectionate.
>
> Owners of all dogs should act responsibly. And anyone who may be in the
> vicinity of a dog should also act responsibly. Parents should not let their
> children approach or pat strange dogs.

I agree, but the dog's owner had just assured them that it was a
friendly dog. What if we were in a checkout line and you accidentally
hit me with an item that you were putting up on conveyor belt, and I
reacted by punching you? Would you hold me to a higher standard if I
were a human than if I were a dog? When a person brings a dog, or any
other potentially dangerous appendage into public, they are as
responsible for its actions, just as they are responsible for their
own fists.

There are folks who think that their own desire for pleasure (in this
case the companionship of the dog while shopping) is more important
than not hurting little girls. In the USA, we put those folks on a
special list.
>
> --
> Rhonda Anderson
> Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:


>>
>> _Every_ dog has the potential to harm humans. _Every_ dog. _Every_
>> breed.
>>
>> The only dog with no potential to harm anyone is one that has had its
>> tee
> th
>> and claws removed.
>
> Then perhaps no one should bring them into public, ever.


No - people should have their dogs well trained and well under control
in public. Unfortunately there are irresponsible dog owners. Just as
there are irresponsible parents, irresponsible drivers etc.


What type of
> dog do you own, or have you owned?
>
> The dog in this tale is a MFing rottweiler.

I don't have a dog at the moment - our last dog was a Shetland Sheepdog,
the dog before that an Australian Cattle Dog. Neither was a vicious,
unpredictable dog but I still worried when children I didn't know ran up
at them or shoved a hand in their face. Animals are animals. They still
had teeth. They were still dogs.

Rottweilers as a breed are not inherently vicious or dangerous. They are
larger and can potentially inflict more damage than a smaller dog, but
not necessarily any more likely to bite.

If someone knows that their dog is unpredictable or if they know that
their dog does not react well to children or strangers then they
shouldn't take them into situations where they'll encounter them. And
you should always be aware of where your dog is - I don't know how she
could miss that it had slipped its collar.

I never said the owner was without fault. I was merely pointing out that
dogs are animals and that all dogs have the potential to bite. As do
cats, hamsters, rabbits, birds (a large parrot can do a lot of damage)
etc. You should always remember this when interacting with animals or
when around them.

And an animal bite should always be considered in light of the
circumstances. There are most certainly situations where an animal is
dangerous and should be euthanased. There are also situations where the
bite is provoked. I was not present at the store where this happened so
I'm making no judgements.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

"Bob Terwilliger" wrote

>> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals to a
>> pet food store (unless a guide dog).
>
> Sure there's [sic] is! I used to take my dog inside the pet store because
> she LIKED it! So much to see and smell, and so many people to coo over
> her... It was a treat for her, and a helluva lot more humane and
> considerate
> than leaving her in the sweltering truck all alone.

Missed another one Bob. Around here, the Vet office is often inside the pet
store along with a training facility and a sort of 'day care' where you can
drop off the pooch for a few hours when shopping elsewhere.

On Apr 17, 5:57*pm, "cshenk" > wrote:
> "Damsel in dis Dress"
>
> zxcvbob wrote:
> >>This was totally the owner's fault. *According to the story, she had the
> >>dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl that the dog
> >>was friendly.
>
> > You've hit the nail on the head. *This poor little girl not only has
> > physical injuries, but has likely suffered emotional trauma that isn't
> > going to go away as quickly as the wound will. *If ever.
>
> Correct. *Lets also add that any dog with a possibility of biting due to
> it's nature, has to have a muzzle. *They make simple ones now that just hold
> the top and bottom jaws together. *If that dog had been wearing such, there
> would have been no issue.
>
> My state or perhaps it's just the petsmart, seems to require it for the
> larger dogs. *There's a person at the door who won't let you in if they see
> certain types, not wearing one.

That is very sensible. Whenever I use that word, I invariably think
of the Captain:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/3...cd9a0f78_o.jpg

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 18, 3:39 am, Rhonda Anderson > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote
> :
>
> Dogs
>
> > that have potential for harming humans are dangerous weapons, just
> > like guns, and when the owner fails to exercise due diligence they
> > should have their right to own dogs taken away, just as habitual drunk
> > drivers are banned from driving, or child molesters are banned from
> > unsupervised contact with children, or violent felons are disallowed
> > the right to own firearms.
>
> _Every_ dog has the potential to harm humans. _Every_ dog. _Every_ breed.
>
> The only dog with no potential to harm anyone is one that has had its
> teeth
> and claws removed.

Then perhaps no one should bring them into public, ever. What type of
dog do you own, or have you owned?

The dog in this tale is a MFing rottweiler.
>
> Even those "gentle" dogs you mentioned who would never harm anyone may
> bite
> if they were threatened or injured.

Did the little girl in the original post go up and pull the dog's
tail? No, she attempted to be affectionate.
>
> Owners of all dogs should act responsibly. And anyone who may be in the
> vicinity of a dog should also act responsibly. Parents should not let
> their
> children approach or pat strange dogs.

I agree, but the dog's owner had just assured them that it was a
friendly dog.
-----------
Every effing owner of either a rottweiler or pitbull ALWAYS says that their
dog is really friendly and great with kids.
Those people must live in a parallel universe.
And don't go on about it not being the dog's fault but the owner! It's in
their effing nature, just as a collie will snap at kid's heels and try to
round them up if it gets excited.

On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:47:42 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:07:10 -0600, Pennyaline
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals to a
>>>> pet food store (unless a guide dog). Mix animals (no matter if calm)
>>>> and people, someones gonna get a bite.
>>> Just the other day I bit a Chinese Crested at Petco 'cuz it kept
>>> sticking its tongue out at me.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why subject the people or the
>>>> dog to the aftermath.
>>> If we all followed that logic, we'd never take our dogs anywhere with
>>> us, not even o-u-t for an ide-ray in the ar-cay for ice eam-cray on hot
>>> evenings.
>>
>> PET STORE was stated, not for ice cream or an ide ray.
>> I put it in capitals so you notice it.
>
>And I stated that I bit the Chinese Crested at PETCO, a pet store. I put
>it in capitals so's you'd notice it, bucko.

Oh I saw it Honey

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:36:39 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo®
> wrote:

>The dog in this tale is a MFing rottweiler.

The dog obviously hadn't been well trained (AH owner) and that owner
was completely stupid to take an animal like that out in public. I
used to have a Rottie and she was as sweet as a dog can get.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.