"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
> .. .
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:00:08 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I remember when I worked in a shopping mall in the late 1970s and
>>> especially
>>> early 1980s (after the Adam Walsh abduction/murder) seeing parents with
>>> "leashes" on their young children. Mostly toddlers. Given the very
>>> real
>>> fear about children being snatched by unscrupulous people from large
>>> department stores, I thought it a quite sensible idea rather than some
>>> form
>>> of cruel and unusual punishment.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> that's like wearing a raincoat, galoshes, and carrying an umbrella 24/7
>> because it rained once or twice last year. the fear might have been
>> real,
>> but it was in no way sensible.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
>
> Your mother *never* told you to take an umbrella because it might rain?
>
> Jill

Sister in law gave us one of those harnesses when FBS started to walk. (He
was born in 1984). It was a Godsend. This is the poster child for ADHD and
never missed an opportunity when something caught his eye to wander off. I
got a lot of rude comments about treating him like a dog, etc. when one day
we were at a flea market and the local Mickey Dee's was promoting at it hot
and heavy. Some asswipe decided to whistle at him and tell him 'come here
you dumb little doggie' and the lady in the Grimace costume went off on him.
The cops were called and everything as this woman wailed the living crap out
of this guy with all her coupons/fliers etc. She keep yelling at him 'at
least she knows she'll have a child to take home with her' at him. I was
grateful for the support.....but ya gotta admit, a gigantic purple thing
beating the crap out someone on a sidewalk at an outdoor shopping center
(the flea market was in the parking lot) was a show stopper. I guess the
leash worked too well, as at 25 he just went home after showing up on my
doorstep for dinner.
-ginny

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> A word about the breed: My dog was a Staffordshire terrier. They are
> nicknamed "nanny dogs" in England for their natural patience and
> protectiveness toward children. I'm told that it's the only breed which has
> no record with the CDC in the USA of *ever* biting a human.

Not trying to confuse the issue, but she was an English Staffordshire
Bull Terrier -- the smallest of the bull terriers and NOT to be confused
with the American Staffordshire Terrier (AmStaff) which is second cousin
to the pit bull. I've noticed in dog shows that the AKC has dropped the
"English" in front of the Staffy's name. Not sure how many years ago
that happened.

She was such a wonderful girl and I wouldn't hesitate to have another
Nanny Dog.

--Lin

Lin wrote:

>> Nope. I've never seen a dog with a watch. They just get the time
>> from their cell phones!
>
> I'm surprised that NO ONE here has ever had a "Watchdog" ... ;-)
>
> --Lin (many watchdogs in her lifetime)

*groan*

My dog knew that I got home around 6:30 AM, and would move from the bedroom
to the living room before I got home so that she would be able to greet me.
The switch to daylight saving time always threw her off!

Bob

On Apr 18, 7:33*pm, Andy > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® said...
>
> > So, you've heard our stuff? *Or are you just blowing out your ass
> > again?
>
> Bobo's the fidiot who went for triple green Del Taco burritos for breakfast.
> Blowing it out his ass all day!!!
>
> Del Taco and the Bobobos! The greasiest places
> and people on earth.

The Del Taco bean and cheese burrito is vary basic, very simple. The
beans are cooked fresh, and the cheese is grated in store. The green
chile is comparable to what you'd find at a good restaurant in New
Mexico.
Considering that you live in Philadelphia, there isn't one within 500
miles of you. I bet you've never eaten at a Del Taco, and I bet that
you've never heard The Bonobos (you can't even spell it) other than
than possibly 1 minute cheesy video on YouTube. You just blow out
*your* ass, which makes it funny that you repeated that phrase.
>
> And he found fault with my meatless meatballs?

TVP imitation meat is sad, just like imitation crab and imitation
cheese. Sad, just like your yolkless eggs. Your style of insults
reminds me of a fifth grader's.
>
> Andy

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Apr 18, 5:37*pm, Jo Anne Slaven > wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:40:50 -0400, Dave Smith
>
> > wrote:
> >As I mentioned in a previous post, my gentle Lab bite almost right
> >through my hand, but it was an exceptional circumstance. *He was just a
> >gentle dog that I felt that I had to intervene to help him out when the
> >other dog attacked him. I was busy watching the German Shepherd that I
> >was afraid was going to break his leg.
>
> My lab bit me on the hand a couple of years ago while we were playing
> fetch with a stick. I didn't let go of it fast enough, and she jumped
> up and tried to get it out of my hand. Ouch.

She was playing, and she accidentally bit you. That's worlds
different than an aggressive bite.
>
> Jo Anne

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Bob Terwilliger wrote about my watchdog pun:

> *groan*

Oh, you loved it -- I know you did! You're just upset that you didn't
think of it first! ;-)

> My dog knew that I got home around 6:30 AM, and would move from the
> bedroom to the living room before I got home so that she would be able
> to greet me. The switch to daylight saving time always threw her off!

Yes, yes, yes. She'd pace back and forth from her bed next to ours to
her bed in the living room from roughly 5 a.m. till you arrived home --
enough to wake me and I knew when you got home. I never needed an alarm
clock with her in the house.

Like I said, "watchdog." :-)

--Lin

"Pennyaline" > wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:

>> I never did hear why that German woman jumped in with the polar
>> bears or how badly she was injured. I'm pretty sure they didn't
>> feel the need to kill the innocent bear.
>
> She didn't jump in. Apparently she felt the bear needed a friend or a
> hug or was trying to talk to it or something and leaned into the
> enclosure, and fell in.

Maybe she confused real polar bears with stuffed animal polar bears.
Or maybe she's just crazy.

> They didn't have to kill the bears to get her
> out, but it was coming pretty close to it and she was being pawed and
> nipped and mauled all the way out.

I saw them trying to pull her out with ropes and life preservers
of some sort. Then I heard them start with the "are zoos safe
enough" and I changed the channel.

Of course, I have to wonder about a zoo where you could lean
right over the bear exhibit, enough to fall in, they might have a
point. But some people will just find a way to get hurt, one way
or another.

> They killed the tiger 1) because it was out of its enclosure and 2)
> because it was still with one of its victims, who was alive at the time.
> To get the victim, they had to dispatch the cat. What a shame to kill a
> beautiful animal for being itself.

Very sad.

> I hope they sent the dumb ass woman from the polar bear incident to get
> her head shrunk. How ignorant, self-centered and disturbed is it to
> think that a wild animal needs a scratch behind the ears or whatever she
> thought she was doing. It's incredibly obvious that these animals aren't
> teddy bears, yet people still forget or overlook that they are predators
> in the wild, and one of many wild animals that will run down and kill a
> human being if they want to.

I think some people have no idea of the strength and speed of wild
animals in general. Too many cartoons in their youth, maybe.

nancy

On Apr 18, 10:14*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> "Pennyaline" > wrote
>
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> >> I never did hear why that German woman jumped in with the polar
> >> bears or how badly she was injured. *I'm pretty sure they didn't
> >> feel the need to kill the innocent bear.
>
> > She didn't jump in. Apparently she felt the bear needed a friend or a
> > hug or was trying to talk to it or something and leaned into the
> > enclosure, and fell in.
>
> Maybe she confused real polar bears with
> stuffed animal polar bears.

GOD, how stupid I was. At the same time as I was (jokingly) telling
other parents that they shouldn't let their kids watch Barney because
it taught the children to trust dinosaurs, I was myself, teaching my
own dearly loved child to trust POLAR BEARS. His first stuffed animal
was a Marshall Faulk (a St. Louis Rams football player) stuffed polar
bear. About a year after that I found a huge bin of those exact type
of bears at a dollar store. One of them was Kurt Warner. First I
bought just one, but then I thought, why not buy a couple more? Heck,
they're only a dollar. So my son ended up with one Marshall bear, but
three Kurt bears. That was just the way it was, like Willard and his
Bowling Trophies. He had a lot of stuffed friends, but the three Kurt
bears were central, but I digress. Those bears taught him to trust
polar bears, to actually see them as CUDDLY! What was I thinking?
>
> nancy

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Bobo Bonobo® said...

> I bet you've never eaten at a Del Taco,

Pay up, asshole.

Of course I have!

It's OK with me that you like to eat the shittiest "close to Mexican" fast
food on earth.

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Bobo Bonobo® > wrote in
:

> On Apr 18, 3:44*am, Rhonda Anderson > wrote:
>> Bobo Bonobo® > wrote
>> innews:306b3f85-cd24-4579-9c4c-
> :
>>
>>
>>
>> > I am not concerned with fault of any of that, which I consider
>> > nonsense when an animal attacks a human. *
>>
>> Is this lack of concern in relation to fault restricted to domestic
>> animals? If someone jumps into a pool full of polar bears and gets
>> mauled (as happened recently) should the bears be despatched as
>> a "threat to the species"?
>
> Any reasonable person should expect to be able to go shopping without
> fear of attack. Jumping in with bears, well, I'd have different
> expectations.

I'm not talking about people going shopping. My question was in response
to your statement that whether or not it was the animal's fault or the
human's is nonsense when an animal attacks a human, which you made when
discussing a cat which bit you and you had euthanased.

>>
>> If someone provokes an animal that has claws and
>> teeth, they should expect those claws and teeth to
>> be used in reaction. A cat or dog is not a stuffed
>> toy or a robot.
>
> No question, but what constitutes provocation? I agree that a person
> who torments an animal should have no expectation of safety.

I suppose what constitutes provocation might have to be considered on a
case by case basis. As I mentioned before all the circumstances would
have to be considered.

As a dog owner I certainly came across irresponsible dog owners (don't
be yelling out to me that your illegally unleashed dog is friendly while
it comes barrelling at my on leash dog). There are definitely animals
that should not be allowed around people. Unfortunately there are also
people (and not just cruel ones, a lot of plain stupid ones too) who
should not be allowed around animals. That's a little trickier for even
responsible owners to control.


--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

"Nancy Young" > wrote in
:


>
> Of course, I have to wonder about a zoo where you could lean
> right over the bear exhibit, enough to fall in, they might have a
> point. But some people will just find a way to get hurt, one way
> or another.
>

I believe she had to get over/through several safety barriers including a
prickly hedge to get to the pool.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:25:03 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:10:34 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:00:08 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I remember when I worked in a shopping mall in the late 1970s and especially
>>> early 1980s (after the Adam Walsh abduction/murder) seeing parents with
>>> "leashes" on their young children. Mostly toddlers. Given the very real
>>> fear about children being snatched by unscrupulous people from large
>>> department stores, I thought it a quite sensible idea rather than some form
>>> of cruel and unusual punishment.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>that's like wearing a raincoat, galoshes, and carrying an umbrella 24/7
>>because it rained once or twice last year. the fear might have been real,
>>but it was in no way sensible.
>>
> You're saying a harness and leash on a toddler is not sensible?
> Obviously you haven't had a toddler around. I could tell you toddler
> stories that would make your hair curl.

i'm saying being afraid of some stranger snatching your child at a
department store is not reasonable.

as for the kids, put a muzzle on 'em, too, if you'd like. duct tape might
be even better - no yowling.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:21:04 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:00:08 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>>> early 1980s (after the Adam Walsh abduction/murder) seeing parents with
>>> "leashes" on their young children. Mostly toddlers. Given the very real
>>> fear about children being snatched by unscrupulous people from large
>>> department stores, I thought it a quite sensible idea rather than some form
>>> of cruel and unusual punishment.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> that's like wearing a raincoat, galoshes, and carrying an umbrella 24/7
>> because it rained once or twice last year. the fear might have been real,
>> but it was in no way sensible.
>
> To be honest, we never had one of those leashes, but they looked like a
> good idea. Very young kids just have no clue. You can't tell them not
> to run out on the street, or down the stairs at full speed, not to
> mention losing them if one goes one way and the other goes the other way.

i did like cartoon in *mad* magazine a few years ago showing two harnessed
anklebiters sniffing each other's butts.

your pal,
blake

On Apr 19, 4:49*am, Andy > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® said...
>
> > I bet you've never eaten at a Del Taco,
>
> Pay up, asshole.
>
> Of course I have!
>
> It's OK with me that you like to eat the shittiest
> "close to Mexican" fast food on earth.

I suppose you prefer Taco Bell. No surprise there.
>
> Andy
> --
> Eat first, talk later.

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:57:43 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Apr 18, 12:27*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:15:11 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>> On Apr 17, 10:24*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
>>> wrote:
>>>> Lin wrote:
>>>>>> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>>
>>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>>
>>>>> Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
>>>>> Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
>>>>> didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
>>>>> cat scratch.
>>
>>>> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
>>>> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>>
>>>> Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
>>>> in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
>>>> by domestic cats.
>>
>>> I can too, but it would have been a bit traumatic for my dear sweet
>>> wife had I done so then and there.
>>
>> you aware that in many ways you fit the profile for serial killers,
>> aren't you? *
>
> It's only in this age of sissy men like you and Michael that
> sensitivity to the rights and feelings of a biting dog would be
> anything but laughable.

you view a cat or a dog as a threat to the survival of the human species
and *i'm* a sissy?

tell me another one.

blake

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 14:26:48 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:25:03 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> You're saying a harness and leash on a toddler is not sensible?
>> Obviously you haven't had a toddler around. I could tell you toddler
>> stories that would make your hair curl.
>
>i'm saying being afraid of some stranger snatching your child at a
>department store is not reasonable.
>
Child snatching is not the reason. They tend to wander off and you
end up calling the police to locate them. it's a big inconvenience
for everyone involved.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:14:37 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>I never did hear why that German woman jumped in with the polar
>bears or how badly she was injured. I'm pretty sure they didn't
>feel the need to kill the innocent bear.

She was lucky they were already full and just ended up with a bite in
the butt.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:20:19 -0600, Pennyaline
> wrote:

>I hope they sent the dumb ass woman from the polar bear incident to get
>her head shrunk. How ignorant, self-centered and disturbed is it to
>think that a wild animal needs a scratch behind the ears or whatever she
>thought she was doing. It's incredibly obvious that these animals aren't
>teddy bears, yet people still forget or overlook that they are predators
>in the wild, and one of many wild animals that will run down and kill a
>human being if they want to.

The polar bear enclosure railing/barrier is very similar to what the
tiger had. If it had happened in the US, the zoo would be sued and
held responsible for her actions. The tiger case is still in court.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:37:31 -0400, Jo Anne Slaven
> wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:40:50 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>As I mentioned in a previous post, my gentle Lab bite almost right
>>through my hand, but it was an exceptional circumstance. He was just a
>>gentle dog that I felt that I had to intervene to help him out when the
>>other dog attacked him. I was busy watching the German Shepherd that I
>>was afraid was going to break his leg.
>
>My lab bit me on the hand a couple of years ago while we were playing
>fetch with a stick. I didn't let go of it fast enough, and she jumped
>up and tried to get it out of my hand. Ouch.
>
That's an accident and accidents happen.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Apr 19, 9:35*am, blake murphy > wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:57:43 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> > On Apr 18, 12:27*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> >> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:15:11 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> >>> On Apr 17, 10:24*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Lin wrote:
> >>>>>> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>
> >>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>
> >>>>> Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
> >>>>> Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
> >>>>> didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
> >>>>> cat scratch.
>
> >>>> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
> >>>> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>
> >>>> Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
> >>>> in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
> >>>> by domestic cats.
>
> >>> I can too, but it would have been a bit traumatic for my dear sweet
> >>> wife had I done so then and there.
>
> >> you aware that in many ways you fit the profile for serial killers,
> >> aren't you? *
>
> > It's only in this age of sissy men like you and Michael that
> > sensitivity to the rights and feelings of a biting dog would be
> > anything but laughable. *
>
> you view a cat or a dog as a threat to the
> survival of the human species
> and *i'm* a sissy?

Not a threat to survival, but a threat to personal well being. My
wife has been attacked by dogs. She lived, but was in some
discomfort. I could happily dispatch them. It would be a joy.
>
> tell me another one.

Too sqeamish to kill an animal that attacks a human? Yeah, sissy man.
>
> blake

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

Bobo Bonobo® said...

> I suppose you prefer Taco Bell. No surprise there.


Witness the mastery of Bobo's intelligence!!!

On 2009-04-18, Bob Terwilliger > wrote:

> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.

Is that right? Howzabout studies showing cats (especially domestic) are becoming
a threat to the survival of some songbird species? How much depridation can
we survive before in begins impacting our own survival. Tens of millions of
house cats IS environmentally out of balance.

nb

On 2009-04-17, Cheryl > wrote:
> So I was shopping at my local pet food store (does that make it on topic?)
> tonight and a woman ahead of me in line had her rottie on a lead.....

I like dogs. Mom has a great poodle. I kid and rag it as a dumb mutt, but
it's really a good dog and I would never mistreat it, or would I any animal.
I actually get misty and indignant watching APs ASPCA cops program.

OTOH, there are places a dog ...or any pet.... just does not belong. Stores
and markets, especially! A dog bites me or mine, it risks immediate
physical injurious retaliation or even death! I'm not kidding. If a dog is
even remotely likely to bite, it has no place in public until it's been
socialized and completely cured or any such inclination. Sorry, there is no
excuse. I'd sue the owner into the doghouse, too!

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-04-18, Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>
>> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
>> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>
> Is that right? Howzabout studies showing cats (especially domestic) are becoming
> a threat to the survival of some songbird species? How much depridation can
> we survive before in begins impacting our own survival. Tens of millions of
> house cats IS environmentally out of balance.

You mean a "Silent Spring" kind of thing?

If house cats were truly kept as house cats, they would prove little
threat to the songbird population.

It's feral cats, domesticated cats dumped by their owners, and house
cats allowed to wander that are the problem.

"Pennyaline" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
>> On 2009-04-18, Bob Terwilliger > wrote:
>>
>>> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species."
>>> It
>>> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>>
>> Is that right? Howzabout studies showing cats (especially domestic) are
>> becoming
>> a threat to the survival of some songbird species? How much depridation
>> can
>> we survive before in begins impacting our own survival. Tens of millions
>> of
>> house cats IS environmentally out of balance.
>
> You mean a "Silent Spring" kind of thing?
>
> If house cats were truly kept as house cats, they would prove little
> threat to the songbird population.
>
> It's feral cats, domesticated cats dumped by their owners, and house cats
> allowed to wander that are the problem.

Yayus, sistah.

Pennyaline wrote:

> You mean a "Silent Spring" kind of thing?

Do you expect anything else from nb? He is sort of "out there." Not
saying that's a bad thing, he just thinks a bit differently than most.

> If house cats were truly kept as house cats, they would prove little
> threat to the songbird population.

Our cats are indoor cats. The couple of times they slipped out, they
didn't know what to do and ended up crying in the bushes for us to
rescue them. However, they do LOVE to sit at the patio door with dreams
of that "big kill" as the birds flit about the yard. They have the
cutest little cackle. Domino flicks her tail furiously in anticipation,
eyes completely fixed on the prize.

So, what did I do? Yesterday I put up a song bird feeder and a finch
feeder. The birds are starting to figure out it's a buffet at my place
-- and the cats are almost having their own "peep show." Yes, lust after
what's on the other side of the screen door, but no touchy.

> It's feral cats, domesticated cats dumped by their owners, and house
> cats allowed to wander that are the problem.

True dat.

It's not the cats -- the contrails will get us! It's all a government
conspiracy, I tell ya ;-)

--Lin (NOT a subscriber to conspiracy theorist thinking)

On 2009-04-19, Lin > wrote:
>
> Do you expect anything else from nb? He is sort of "out there." Not
> saying that's a bad thing, he just thinks a bit differently than most.

Thank you for the compliment.

nb

notbob wrote:

> Thank you for the compliment.

You're welcome. ;-)

--Lin

On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:04:33 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Apr 19, 9:35*am, blake murphy > wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:57:43 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>> On Apr 18, 12:27*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:15:11 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 17, 10:24*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Lin wrote:
>>>>>>>> You feared for your LIFE? You thought the cat was a GENOCIDAL threat?
>>
>>>>>>>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Damn, what a WUSS!
>>
>>>>>>> Sweetheart ... you are fortunate that our two cats don't turn into
>>>>>>> Tasmanian Devils. I've seen cats do some pretty nasty damage to folks that
>>>>>>> didn't ask for it -- not to mention the infections that come from a simple
>>>>>>> cat scratch.
>>
>>>>>> But let's be real he Domestic cats are NOT a "threat to our species." It
>>>>>> is hyperbolic hysteria even to *hint* at such a thing.
>>
>>>>>> Yes, cats can inflict some painful superficial damage. But I can KILL a cat
>>>>>> in a matter of seconds. Our species' survival is not in any way threatened
>>>>>> by domestic cats.
>>
>>>>> I can too, but it would have been a bit traumatic for my dear sweet
>>>>> wife had I done so then and there.
>>
>>>> you aware that in many ways you fit the profile for serial killers,
>>>> aren't you? *
>>
>>> It's only in this age of sissy men like you and Michael that
>>> sensitivity to the rights and feelings of a biting dog would be
>>> anything but laughable. *
>>
>> you view a cat or a dog as a threat to the
>> survival of the human species
>> and *i'm* a sissy?
>
> Not a threat to survival, but a threat to personal well being. My
> wife has been attacked by dogs. She lived, but was in some
> discomfort. I could happily dispatch them. It would be a joy.
>>
>> tell me another one.
>
> Too sqeamish to kill an animal that attacks a human? Yeah, sissy man.
>>

anything you say, you incredible he-man.

blake

On Apr 19, 1:20*pm, Lin > wrote:
>
>
> It's not the cats -- the contrails will get us! It's all a government
> conspiracy, I tell ya ;-)
>
> --Lin (NOT a subscriber to conspiracy theorist thinking)

That's totally obvious, because conspiracy theorists call them
"chemtrails," not contrails.

One of the recording engineers we work with is one of them.

--Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

"Cheryl" > wrote in
:

> But shouldn't cases like this show that taking your dog or cat
> or whatever into a pet food store where there are kids who don't
> know that the pooch on the leash isn't friendly to kids even if
> the pet owners didn't know their doggie can't deal with kids.
> Seems to me a law suit in the making

kids should be taught, from the very start of their mobilty, that
animals should NEVER be touched without permission. it's not rocket
science, but it is that unfortunately uncommon thing called "common
sense". you just don't ever pet a strange to you animal without first
asking the owner if it's ok.
and it's not just because some improperly socialized dogs bite, it's
because many dogs (cats, monkeys, miniature horses) are service
animals & should not be distracted from their job.
pet owners take their pets out into public areas to properly
socialize them. parents should be doing the same...
lee <parent, pet owner, & trainer of a therapy pet>

Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in
news
> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:35:30 -0500, zxcvbob
> > wrote:
>
>>This was totally the owner's fault. According to the story, she
>>had the dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl
>>that the dog was friendly.
>
> You've hit the nail on the head. This poor little girl not only
> has physical injuries, but has likely suffered emotional trauma
> that isn't going to go away as quickly as the wound will. If
> ever.

kids are pretty resiliant. my next door neighbor's kid (7 years old)
was pretty severely bitten on the head & neck last fall by a rescue
dog his grandparent's had just taken on. he's completely over it
already. he still loves dogs & even got a new puppy recently.
IME, kids that become fearful after an event tend to have at least
one parent that overreacts & then keeps overreacting while bringing
up the event over & over. kids who are treated kindly but matter-of-
factly tend to not suffer serious mental anguish.
lee

wrote in
:

> There's is no need or reason for someone to take their animals
> to a pet food store (unless a guide dog). Mix animals (no matter
> if calm) and people, someones gonna get a bite. Why subject the
> people or the dog to the aftermath.

well, these big box pet food stores also offer grooming & training
classes, neither of which is very useful if you aren't allowed to
take the dog.
i take my dogs to both Petco & PetSmart. i also take one of the
cats, for socialization purposes, as she's in training to become a
therapy pet.
while my dogs are friendly, they can be a bit exuberant & 100 pound
dogs being bouncy around small kids isn't a great thing. parents love
to assume a scratch was a bite, as well... so i ask kids to stay away
from my dogs.
my 8 year old knows to tell people not to touch his Boston Terrier,
& he doesn't randomly pet strange animals without permission either.
children should be taught never to touch strange animals. period.
lee

"enigma" > wrote in message
...
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in
> news >
>> On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:35:30 -0500, zxcvbob
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>This was totally the owner's fault. According to the story, she
>>>had the dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl
>>>that the dog was friendly.
>>
>> You've hit the nail on the head. This poor little girl not only
>> has physical injuries, but has likely suffered emotional trauma
>> that isn't going to go away as quickly as the wound will. If
>> ever.
>
> kids are pretty resiliant. my next door neighbor's kid (7 years old)
> was pretty severely bitten on the head & neck last fall by a rescue
> dog his grandparent's had just taken on. he's completely over it
> already. he still loves dogs & even got a new puppy recently.
> IME, kids that become fearful after an event tend to have at least
> one parent that overreacts & then keeps overreacting while bringing
> up the event over & over. kids who are treated kindly but matter-of-
> factly tend to not suffer serious mental anguish.
> lee
>

My niece was bitten by a horse on her hand because she smelled like food
when she was like 7. She's now 20 and she probably doesn't remember it. I
remember it because it was where I lived at the time, and I just imagined
the horse chomping down on her hand, because they do that.

I'm glad the neighbor kid got over it. You might have something about kids
and how the parents react. And maybe how the store reacted in the case of
the child bitten by the roti in this story. None of them seemed that
worried, but then the ambulance came and the child probably then got the
idea that it was a bad situation. And she probably would have healed without
ambulance and fire truck intervention. But the store has to cover their
ass.

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:10:38 -0400, Cheryl wrote:

> "enigma" > wrote in message
> ...

>> kids are pretty resiliant. my next door neighbor's kid (7 years old)
>> was pretty severely bitten on the head & neck last fall by a rescue
>> dog his grandparent's had just taken on. he's completely over it
>> already. he still loves dogs & even got a new puppy recently.
>> IME, kids that become fearful after an event tend to have at least
>> one parent that overreacts & then keeps overreacting while bringing
>> up the event over & over. kids who are treated kindly but matter-of-
>> factly tend to not suffer serious mental anguish.
>> lee
>>
>
> I'm glad the neighbor kid got over it. You might have something about kids
> and how the parents react. And maybe how the store reacted in the case of
> the child bitten by the roti in this story. None of them seemed that
> worried, but then the ambulance came and the child probably then got the
> idea that it was a bad situation. And she probably would have healed without
> ambulance and fire truck intervention. But the store has to cover their
> ass.

i think there's no question that lee is onto something here.

your pal,
blake

enigma wrote:
> Damsel in dis Dress > wrote in
> news >
>
>>On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:35:30 -0500, zxcvbob
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This was totally the owner's fault. According to the story, she
>>>had the dog back on the leash at the time, and had told the girl
>>>that the dog was friendly.
>>
>>You've hit the nail on the head. This poor little girl not only
>>has physical injuries, but has likely suffered emotional trauma
>>that isn't going to go away as quickly as the wound will. If
>>ever.
>
>
> kids are pretty resiliant. my next door neighbor's kid (7 years old)
> was pretty severely bitten on the head & neck last fall by a rescue
> dog his grandparent's had just taken on. he's completely over it
> already. he still loves dogs & even got a new puppy recently.
> IME, kids that become fearful after an event tend to have at least
> one parent that overreacts & then keeps overreacting while bringing
> up the event over & over. kids who are treated kindly but matter-of-
> factly tend to not suffer serious mental anguish.
> lee
>

Back when I was in college, many moons ago, I taught a TOW (terrified of
water) swimming course for young children. I never had a TOW student
who didn't have a TOW parent. Phobias are contagious. I still have
visible fingernail scars on my arms.

My first act was always to banish the parents from the bleachers. I
told them, "There's no way I can convince these kids that I'm NEVER
going to let them drown if you're up there bending the railing into an
S-curve while you're watching. S/he feels your fear. Go have a cup of
coffee. Please."

The second thing I did was teach the kids something gross to deal with
the consequences of accidentally snarfing water. Specifically, the
"farmer's blow" into the strainer. This came complete with instructions
to not do this where "grown-ups" could see. (This is exactly what the
chlorine is for.)

Most properly primed, sputtering kids will, when dragged to the rail and
told, "Look, you're fine, nobody's watching, now BLOW" will do exactly
that and will feel they've gotten away with something to boot.

And the next time you tell them, "Relax, lean back, tilt your chin up,
arch your back, inhale..." they will do exactly that... And find that
the water will hold them up.

It's the same with anything scary. It just takes proper coaching.