Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?

Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:07 +0800, phil..c wrote:

> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

i have one. i think there are the rule rather than the exception in the
u.s. the in-door ice and ice water dispenser is a little rarer.

your pal,
blake

"phil..c" wrote:
>
> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?

In the US the majority of refrigerators sold in the past ten years contain
an auto icemaker... today most new units are ordered with the through the
door cubes, crushed, and water. Very few residences have stand alone
icemakers

> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

Where is here?

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> blake murphy >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:07 +0800, phil..c wrote:
>>
>>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>>
>>> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here
>> i have one. i think there are the rule rather than the exception in
>> the u.s. the in-door ice and ice water dispenser is a little rarer.
>
> Hmmm... maybe I wasn't paying attention but when we were shopping for
> new fridges, the ice cube and water dispensers seemed to be the rule
> rather than the exception. The cubes and water come right out of the
> front of the freezer door. The ice dispenser will also dispense crushed
> ice instead of cubes if you want. That comes in handy when making
> smoothies.
>
> All that said, I can say I made a mistake when I picked out our current
> model. I seldom use the water dispenser but I *must* have the ice cube
> maker. Seems like I go through a lot of ice and ice cube trays are a
> pain. I should have bought a top freezer model with an ice cube maker
> in the top of the freezer. Our old fridge is downstairs but too small
> for the area we need for it to fill out the kitchen are the fridge is
> in. Live and learn.
>
> I really don't care much for the side by side we currently have.
>
> Michael
>

Yes we looked at new fridges and those with the ice makers internal
seemed a waste of money and used valuable space and chewed too much
power. And lucky to produce 3 kg of ice per day

But a few of these are starting to appear

http://www.oo.com.au/prod/HMPSIM/1b.jpg

getting 18 kg a day of lovely cubed and hollow ice

Great for keeping the salads and sea food fresh

and the clink of ice in fine crystal with a decent Whiskey
adds ambiance to Susan Boyle type voices

Reckon it was a steal at $99.00 for folding money
Last one in the shop end of month type haggle

phil..c wrote:
> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
Never seen one here (NE US) except in commercial applications (bar,
foodservice, hotel etc).


> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

Don't know? I guess it depends where "here" is?

"phil..c" wrote:
>
> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

A dedicated stand alone ice maker, or an automatic ice maker built into
a refrigerator? The later is extremely common in the US, most any new
refrigerator other than an absolute bottom end unit will have an ice
maker as standard equipment. A dedicated stand alone ice maker is
somewhat common for folks who do a lot of entertaining and can out pace
a normal refrigerator ice maker.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> "phil..c" wrote:
>>
>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> In the US the majority of refrigerators sold in the past ten years
> contain an auto icemaker... today most new units are ordered with the
> through the door cubes, crushed, and water.

Tell me about it. Try finding a side by side without that feature,
it wasn't easy. I wound up buying the floor model at the appliance
store.

nancy

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:45:05 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "phil..c" wrote:
>>>
>>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>
>> In the US the majority of refrigerators sold in the past ten years
>> contain an auto icemaker... today most new units are ordered with the
>> through the door cubes, crushed, and water.
>
>Tell me about it. Try finding a side by side without that feature,
>it wasn't easy. I wound up buying the floor model at the appliance
>store.
>
>nancy

My Kitchenaid came with the option to have the ice maker. I decided
not to...learned my lesson, the wife had it installed during summer.
Don't know why I didn't have it installed in the first place. Option
was something like $500 extra at the time.

phil..c wrote:
> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

Haven't been without one as an adult ever. Have missed them when living
overseas though.

Goomba wrote:
> phil..c wrote:
>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>
>> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here
>
> Haven't been without one as an adult ever. Have missed them when living
> overseas though.

let me clarify that. I've always had one in the US, but never had one
overseas in various apartments. Of course in one place the water was so
chock full of minerals that the ice maker would probably be damaged in
short order from the build up.

Ice cubes have arrived in phil's town.

Can indoor plumbing be far behind?

Miss Anne Thrope wrote:
> Ice cubes have arrived in phil's town.
>
> Can indoor plumbing be far behind?
>

see
http://www.danscartoons.com/hvac7_demo.gif

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:07 +0800, "phil..c" >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
>Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

We don't have or want one because we both don't like the taste of the
ice cubes they make. But my father and step-mother bought one of the
first icemaker-refrigerators available and it gave them no end of
problems.

Not that I can imagine ever needing more ice cubes than we can make in
trays and store in the freezer container supplied with our fridge. And
on the odd occasion that we're having a party that requires additional
ice cubes for keeping beer, wine, sodas, etc cold, I buy two or three
bags of commercially made ice. But I wouldn't use it *in* drinks.


--

una cerveza mas por favor ...

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On Mon 20 Apr 2009 06:06:07a, phil..c told us...

> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

That could me one of several things here in the US. The most "dedicated"
unit would be a standalone unit about the size of a mini refrigerator that
does nothing but make ice cubes, and generally at a fairly high production
rate.

Then there are several flavors of refrigerator/freezer combinations that
have an ice maker in the freeezer. The simplest of these is a unit that
makes repetitive batches of ice and dumps them into a bin in the freezer.
You open the freezer door and grab some cubes. (Actually, they are almost
all semi-circular in shape.) More elaborate units, particularly the side-
by-side model freezer/refrigerators, make ice in much the same way, but are
capable of distributing it through the door in either whole cubes or
crushed. Most of these models also dispense chilled water. A couple can
also dispense flavored beverages in the same manner.

The additional mechanisms of the latter provide many opportunities for
problems. I currently have a top freezer refrigerator with a simple ice
maker in it and I prefer it. I've never had a problem with it since we
bought it 3 years ago.



--
Wayne Boatwright
------------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole of nature, as has been said, is a conjugation of the verb
to eat, in the active and in the passive. ~William Ralph Inge

phil..c wrote:
> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>
> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here

I have an ice maker built into the freezer of my fridge. There is also a
cold water dispenser.

We had them hook the fridge water line to the reverse osmosis system. We
have wonderful ice.

--
Janet Wilder
way-the-heck-south Texas
spelling doesn't count
but cooking does

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Mon 20 Apr 2009 06:06:07a, phil..c told us...
>
>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>
>> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here
>
> That could me one of several things here in the US. The most "dedicated"
> unit would be a standalone unit about the size of a mini refrigerator that
> does nothing but make ice cubes, and generally at a fairly high production
> rate.
>
> Then there are several flavors of refrigerator/freezer combinations that
> have an ice maker in the freeezer. The simplest of these is a unit that
> makes repetitive batches of ice and dumps them into a bin in the freezer.
> You open the freezer door and grab some cubes. (Actually, they are almost
> all semi-circular in shape.) More elaborate units, particularly the side-
> by-side model freezer/refrigerators, make ice in much the same way, but are
> capable of distributing it through the door in either whole cubes or
> crushed. Most of these models also dispense chilled water. A couple can
> also dispense flavored beverages in the same manner.
>
> The additional mechanisms of the latter provide many opportunities for
> problems. I currently have a top freezer refrigerator with a simple ice
> maker in it and I prefer it. I've never had a problem with it since we
> bought it 3 years ago.
>
>
>
I'm on my third fridge with the simple ice maker in it. I did put a
filter cartridge in the line to keep the ice maker from clogging up. We
have a lot of calcium hardness in our city water. The old Gibson fridge
ice maker did clog and quit working. It was cheaper to just buy a new
unit and install it plus the filter. Appears most of the refrigerators
with ice makers all use the same ice maker. Sort of like electric
stoves, most are actually made by GE and just branded for the company
that sells them. The filter did the job and I just have to change it out
annually.Have it earmarked on my calendar on this computer so I don't
forget.

I've seen too many of the ones with multiple functions go defunct and
they cost a fortune to replace or repair. The simple things are best.

George Shirley wrote:

> I'm on my third fridge with the simple ice maker in it. I did put a
> filter cartridge in the line to keep the ice maker from clogging up. We
> have a lot of calcium hardness in our city water. The old Gibson fridge
> ice maker did clog and quit working. It was cheaper to just buy a new
> unit and install it plus the filter. Appears most of the refrigerators
> with ice makers all use the same ice maker. Sort of like electric
> stoves, most are actually made by GE and just branded for the company
> that sells them. The filter did the job and I just have to change it out
> annually.Have it earmarked on my calendar on this computer so I don't
> forget.
>
> I've seen too many of the ones with multiple functions go defunct and
> they cost a fortune to replace or repair. The simple things are best.

Right. Consumer Reports states that the majority of repairs are
performed on the water/ice function on a 'fridge. When we purchased our
new bottom freezer/top fridge GE Profile fridge we sought out the model
that only has a basic ice maker. You have to pull open the freezer
drawer to get to it but we don't have gadgets going through the door.
We've gotta have our ice, but not a lot of bells and whistles.
Goomba

On Mon 20 Apr 2009 06:11:13p, George Shirley told us...

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Mon 20 Apr 2009 06:06:07a, phil..c told us...
>>
>>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>>
>>> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here
>>
>> That could me one of several things here in the US. The most
>> "dedicated" unit would be a standalone unit about the size of a mini
>> refrigerator that does nothing but make ice cubes, and generally at a
>> fairly high production rate.
>>
>> Then there are several flavors of refrigerator/freezer combinations
>> that have an ice maker in the freeezer. The simplest of these is a
>> unit that makes repetitive batches of ice and dumps them into a bin in
>> the freezer. You open the freezer door and grab some cubes.
>> (Actually, they are almost all semi-circular in shape.) More elaborate
>> units, particularly the side- by-side model freezer/refrigerators, make
>> ice in much the same way, but are capable of distributing it through
>> the door in either whole cubes or crushed. Most of these models also
>> dispense chilled water. A couple can also dispense flavored beverages
>> in the same manner.
>>
>> The additional mechanisms of the latter provide many opportunities for
>> problems. I currently have a top freezer refrigerator with a simple
>> ice maker in it and I prefer it. I've never had a problem with it
>> since we bought it 3 years ago.
>>
>>
>>
> I'm on my third fridge with the simple ice maker in it. I did put a
> filter cartridge in the line to keep the ice maker from clogging up. We
> have a lot of calcium hardness in our city water. The old Gibson fridge
> ice maker did clog and quit working. It was cheaper to just buy a new
> unit and install it plus the filter. Appears most of the refrigerators
> with ice makers all use the same ice maker. Sort of like electric
> stoves, most are actually made by GE and just branded for the company
> that sells them. The filter did the job and I just have to change it out
> annually.Have it earmarked on my calendar on this computer so I don't
> forget.

I put a filter in my water line too, George. Makes a big difference.

> I've seen too many of the ones with multiple functions go defunct and
> they cost a fortune to replace or repair. The simple things are best.

Agreed...

--
Wayne Boatwright
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dyspepsia is the remorse of a guilty stomach. ~A. Kerr

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:12:59 +0800, "phil..c" >
wrote:

>Reckon it was a steal at $99.00 for folding money

NO KIDDING and now you're just bragging.

Lucky YOU!

Ü

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

wrote:
>
> My Kitchenaid came with the option to have the ice maker. I decided
> not to...learned my lesson, the wife had it installed during summer.
> Don't know why I didn't have it installed in the first place. Option
> was something like $500 extra at the time.

My guess is that you didn't install the ice maker in the first place
because the option was something like $500 extra at the time.

$500 seems like a lot. We bought a refrigerator and installed an ice
maker afterwards. The ice maker was about $100 with about $20 for the
copper line and connectors. At $500, we probably would be using ice cube
trays.

On 20 Apr 2009 14:55:48 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

> blake murphy >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:06:07 +0800, phil..c wrote:
>>
>>> Not talking about water in trays but dedicated ice maker ?
>>>
>>> Just wondering as they are becoming popular here
>>
>> i have one. i think there are the rule rather than the exception in
>> the u.s. the in-door ice and ice water dispenser is a little rarer.
>
> Hmmm... maybe I wasn't paying attention but when we were shopping for
> new fridges, the ice cube and water dispensers seemed to be the rule
> rather than the exception. The cubes and water come right out of the
> front of the freezer door. The ice dispenser will also dispense crushed
> ice instead of cubes if you want. That comes in handy when making
> smoothies.
>

you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as when i
moved in about nine years ago.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:

> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as when i
> moved in about nine years ago.

I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these days.

--Lin

Lin wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
>> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as
>> when i
>> moved in about nine years ago.
>
> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these days.
>
> --Lin

BUT would it have a very limited lifespan?

--
Jean B.

Lin wrote:
>
> blake murphy wrote:
>
> > you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
> > renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as when i
> > moved in about nine years ago.
>
> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these days.

Mine is 29 years old. It's funny when the
handle broke off the door, how long it took
to get out of the habit of reaching for it.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:12:59 +0800, "phil..c" >
> wrote:
>
> >Reckon it was a steal at $99.00 for folding money
>
> NO KIDDING and now you're just bragging.
>
> Lucky YOU!

He didn't specify a currency. If that is AUD 99 that is USD 70.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >, dsi1 > wrote:

> wrote:
> >
> > My Kitchenaid came with the option to have the ice maker. I decided
> > not to...learned my lesson, the wife had it installed during summer.
> > Don't know why I didn't have it installed in the first place. Option
> > was something like $500 extra at the time.
>
> My guess is that you didn't install the ice maker in the first place
> because the option was something like $500 extra at the time.
>
> $500 seems like a lot. We bought a refrigerator and installed an ice
> maker afterwards. The ice maker was about $100 with about $20 for the
> copper line and connectors. At $500, we probably would be using ice cube
> trays.

Our last fridge cost us US$500. Costco is still selling it for that
price.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Lin wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
>> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as
>> when i
>> moved in about nine years ago.
>
> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these days.
>
> --Lin

My experience has been the a refrigerator will typically have a hell of
a long lifespan. It's probably the most reliable appliance you'll own.
My guess is that If I bought one today, it would last longer than I
would, then again, the one I bought 10 years ago will probably outlive
me too! :-)

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> My Kitchenaid came with the option to have the ice maker. I decided
>>> not to...learned my lesson, the wife had it installed during summer.
>>> Don't know why I didn't have it installed in the first place. Option
>>> was something like $500 extra at the time.
>> My guess is that you didn't install the ice maker in the first place
>> because the option was something like $500 extra at the time.
>>
>> $500 seems like a lot. We bought a refrigerator and installed an ice
>> maker afterwards. The ice maker was about $100 with about $20 for the
>> copper line and connectors. At $500, we probably would be using ice cube
>> trays.
>
> Our last fridge cost us US$500. Costco is still selling it for that
> price.
>

Did it come with an ice maker? If so, you scored! Think of it as buying
an ice maker that comes with a free refrigerator. :-)

"dsi1" > wrote in message ...
> Lin wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
>>> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as
>>> when i
>>> moved in about nine years ago.
>>
>> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
>> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
>> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
>> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these
>> days.
>>
>> --Lin
>
> My experience has been the a refrigerator will typically have a hell of a
> long lifespan. It's probably the most reliable appliance you'll own. My
> guess is that If I bought one today, it would last longer than I would,
> then again, the one I bought 10 years ago will probably outlive me too!
> :-)

Yes, the average life of a fridge is about a dozen years... the compressor
is warranteed for like five years, if after five years the compressor goes
most folks toss it and buy new... too expensive to repair and a good chance
some other expensive part will soon go. If a fridge is used with some care
and not abused it can last twice, even three times as long. The average
life of a gas stove is more like 40 years, and the parts that do wear out
don't cost much relative to purchasing a new stove. A gas stove can
withstand a lot more hard use than a fridge.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message ...
>> Lin wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
>>>> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as
>>>> when i
>>>> moved in about nine years ago.
>>> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
>>> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
>>> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
>>> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these
>>> days.
>>>
>>> --Lin
>> My experience has been the a refrigerator will typically have a hell of a
>> long lifespan. It's probably the most reliable appliance you'll own. My
>> guess is that If I bought one today, it would last longer than I would,
>> then again, the one I bought 10 years ago will probably outlive me too!
>> :-)
>
> Yes, the average life of a fridge is about a dozen years... the compressor
> is warranteed for like five years, if after five years the compressor goes
> most folks toss it and buy new... too expensive to repair and a good chance
> some other expensive part will soon go. If a fridge is used with some care
> and not abused it can last twice, even three times as long. The average
> life of a gas stove is more like 40 years, and the parts that do wear out
> don't cost much relative to purchasing a new stove. A gas stove can
> withstand a lot more hard use than a fridge.
>
>

That's interesting - guess I better be looking around for a new
refrigerator! That's good, I never did like it much.

It would not surprise me if new refrigerators came with wimpy
compressors. I can't recall ever having one where the compressor has
failed. Never seen one fail on an AC unit either. I've had a couple of
cars that had bad AC compressors - those are crap...

You're probably right about gas stoves.

On Apr 21, 7:35*pm, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
* The average
> life of a gas stove is more like 40 years, and the parts that do wear out
> don't cost much relative to purchasing a new stove. *A gas stove can
> withstand a lot more hard use than a fridge

Probably not those newfangled gas stoves with circuit boards inside.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:29:15 -0700, Lin wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> you're probably right. i have never shopped for a refrigerator - i'm a
>> renter, so i talk to the landlord. the unit here is the same one as when i
>> moved in about nine years ago.
>
> I read somewhere that the "average" lifespan of a refrigerator is 13
> years. So, if it's been with you for nine and there's a good chance it
> was there before you -- you might be in for a new one soon! If anything,
> a newer one will cost less in electricity. Much more efficient these days.
>
> --Lin

i had one replaced at the place i used to live. for some reason that i
can't recall, one or the other was in the living room for a couple of days
(plugged in and working), which was odd.

these folks have already ponied up a new washer and drier.

your pal,
blake

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
On Apr 21, 7:35 pm, "brooklyn1" > wrote:
The average
> life of a gas stove is more like 40 years, and the parts that do wear out
> don't cost much relative to purchasing a new stove. A gas stove can
> withstand a lot more hard use than a fridge

Probably not those newfangled gas stoves with circuit boards inside.

The little computer panel is typically as stable as the controls on a
microwave oven, they rarely die. And even if it does go kaput compared to
price the high end stoves that contain them they are not a very large
proportion of cost, certainly not nearly so much the price of the stove. I
don't think too many are going to dump a perfectly good $2,000 gas range
over a $300 microprocessor. My gas stove microchip went dead in a horrific
lightening storm, just one of those freak acts of nature no one could
possibly anticipate or do anything to avoid... I bit the bullet and bought a
new chip... the stove was six years old then, it's been another six years
since. I don't consider averaging like $25/yr maintenence on a $2,000
appliance anything to blink over... would you not buy an automobile with an
AM/FM stereo radio with CD player because the radio could die?

In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Apr 21, 7:35*pm, deleted wrote:


> > life of a gas stove is more like 40 years

> Probably not those newfangled gas stoves with circuit boards inside.

We were having some problems with our gas stove. We read that if your
gas stove is more than eight years old, it's cheaper to replace it than
fix it! The old stoves had very little to break down. I guess getting
rid of the pilot lights was a good idea, but replacing the ignitors
(oven and broiler) is US$100 just for the parts over the internet. We
aren't real handy with fixing things. And then, maybe something more
than the ignitors was wrong. Now you're getting into connecting things
with gas going through them. I don't think so.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

dsi1 wrote:

> brooklyn1 wrote:
\
> > Yes, the average life of a fridge is about a dozen years...

> That's interesting - guess I better be looking around for a new
> refrigerator! That's good, I never did like it much.

You just never know. I bought a new Frigidare (not real high-end these
days) ten years ago. It started going out recently. The repair guy said
it wasn't worth fixing, as it was something in sealed system. For now,
I'm using the old Amana one in the laundry room that was here when I
bought the house.



Brian

--
Day 79 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

brooklyn1 wrote:

>
> Probably not those newfangled gas stoves with circuit boards inside.
>
> The little computer panel is typically as stable as the controls on a
> microwave oven, they rarely die. And even if it does go kaput compared to
> price the high end stoves that contain them they are not a very large
> proportion of cost, certainly not nearly so much the price of the stove. I
> don't think too many are going to dump a perfectly good $2,000 gas range
> over a $300 microprocessor. My gas stove microchip went dead in a horrific
> lightening storm, just one of those freak acts of nature no one could
> possibly anticipate or do anything to avoid... I bit the bullet and bought a
> new chip... the stove was six years old then, it's been another six years
> since. I don't consider averaging like $25/yr maintenence on a $2,000
> appliance anything to blink over... would you not buy an automobile with an
> AM/FM stereo radio with CD player because the radio could die?
>
>

Strange, ain't it? Electronics and appliances - not a good mix. My
dishwasher's weak point is the display panel. After a couple of years it
needed to be replaced. I replaced it once but now it displays the same
problem, or at least it would except there now seems to be a problem
with the power circuit - it won't even light up anymore. On the plus
side, it's all black and glossy - it sure is a sexy looking dead
dishwasher.

Default User wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
> \
>>> Yes, the average life of a fridge is about a dozen years...
>
>> That's interesting - guess I better be looking around for a new
>> refrigerator! That's good, I never did like it much.
>
> You just never know. I bought a new Frigidare (not real high-end these
> days) ten years ago. It started going out recently. The repair guy said
> it wasn't worth fixing, as it was something in sealed system. For now,
> I'm using the old Amana one in the laundry room that was here when I
> bought the house.
>
>

My impression is that the old ones were built like a tank. The newer
ones must be more like a 70s AMC Pacer. :-)

>
> Brian
>

dsi1 wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > You just never know. I bought a new Frigidare (not real high-end
> > these days) ten years ago. It started going out recently. The
> > repair guy said it wasn't worth fixing, as it was something in
> > sealed system. For now, I'm using the old Amana one in the laundry
> > room that was here when I bought the house.
> >
> >
>
> My impression is that the old ones were built like a tank. The newer
> ones must be more like a 70s AMC Pacer. :-)

The new one was a nice refrigerator, up until it died. It had the solid
glass shelves that slid out, so it was bright and easy to find things
in. The only thing I didn't like so much was the size, but that was my
fault during the selection phase.




Brian

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"dsi1" wrote
>
> My impression is that the old ones were built like a tank. The newer ones
> must be more like a 70s AMC Pacer. :-)
>
I think with appliances like refrigerator freezers, dishwashers, clothes
washers and clothes dryers their life span has a lot to do with how they're
used/abused. People aren't necessarilly aware that they're abusing their
appliances. I've seen people open the fridge and leave the door open while
they walk away for five minutes to do something in the next room, return and
keep rummaging about in the fridge and still not close the door and walk off
again to make a phone call. Some people stuff oversized pans into their
fridge so that when they close the door it doesn't fully close, they can
leave it like that for days, not even notice when they go in and out over
the period, folks permit their kids and guests use their fridge as they
will... the fridge gets five years use in one month. These kind of people
then wonder why they get only like three years from a fridge. Some folks
cram like twice the clothes recommended for their washing machine and run
like six of those huge loads every day, then wonder why the transmission
fails prematurely. Folks who use due diligence can have their fridge and
washer last more than 30 years. There are normal folks with normally
functioning brains who live normal lives, and then there are the freaks.

Default User wrote:

> The new one was a nice refrigerator, up until it died. It had the solid
> glass shelves that slid out, so it was bright and easy to find things
> in. The only thing I didn't like so much was the size, but that was my
> fault during the selection phase.

They must have hypno-rays in the light bulbs of refrigerators - they
look so bright and clean and cheerful in the store. However, once you
got it home and stuff the box up to the gills, chances are you ain't
finding anything except by chance. :-)

My problem is one of size too. My refrigerator was too big and
interferes with my dishwasher door. I'm an idiot.

>
>
>
> Brian
>