Andy et al.

I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.

Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html

HTH
Elly

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:33:33 -0400, "Elly" >
wrote:

>I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.

It can help...but if you are really interested in getting relief, go
to your doctor.

I hobbled around for five weeks and was miserable. My doctor
prescribed colchicine 0.6mg. He old me that IF I was experiencing
gout, this would bring immediate relief. I took ONE tab every two
hours and like magic, it stopped hurting, swelling disappeared and
flexability returned. This was after three pills.

My first though was, oh cripes...here is another 10 dollar a pill
medicine. He scriped 60 (sixty) pills and the bill was $8
(eight) dollars. I couldn't have bought a bottle of Aleve for that
amount.

Mr. Bill wrote:
>
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:33:33 -0400, "Elly" >
> wrote:
>
> >I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
> >I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>
> It can help...but if you are really interested in getting relief, go
> to your doctor.
>
> I hobbled around for five weeks and was miserable. My doctor
> prescribed colchicine 0.6mg. He old me that IF I was experiencing
> gout, this would bring immediate relief. I took ONE tab every two
> hours and like magic, it stopped hurting, swelling disappeared and
> flexability returned. This was after three pills.
>
> My first though was, oh cripes...here is another 10 dollar a pill
> medicine. He scriped 60 (sixty) pills and the bill was $8
> (eight) dollars. I couldn't have bought a bottle of Aleve for that
> amount.

Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much. Plus, the
side effects (for most folks) can be nearly as bad as gout (just depends
- no pun intended!).

Sky, who only knows about gout second-hand, knock on wood

BTW - the information provided by the link about cherries has been
around for a very long time, so it's not really new news.

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

On 2009-04-21, Sky > wrote:

> Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
> toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much. Plus, the
> side effects (for most folks) can be nearly as bad as gout.....

Thank you, sky. A search of my past posts (google > groups) on this subject
will reveal major probs with colchicine, a short term remedy for gout. Would
you believe migraine headaches finally terminating in a pointless SPINAL
TAP!!!?

nb

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:09:39 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
>toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much.

Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
taking it as my doctor informed me.

On 2009-04-21, Mr Bill > wrote:

> Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
> taking it as my doctor informed me.

Yes, Bill. Knock down brutal gout pain, then get off it as soon as possible.

nb

Gout is a serious condition and gout sufferers should
be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
seen a doctor for it.

Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
water is helpful only if you are having no problem
generating and passing urine.)

Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
(Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
bird droppings.)

Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
much more pain.

The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.

Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
after an attack. Now, I stay off the gout-producing
foods for a couple of days after the last trace of
symptoms have gone away.

By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking
lots of water, I've been mostly gout-free for the last
6 1/2 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
life. However, gout can be a sign of a much more
serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
by eating too much meat, cheese, eggs, or in one case
soy protein. Often, I remember asking myself whether
eating this would cause gout, as I ate the food
I suspected might precipitate another attack.
And in every case it did.

Sky wrote:
>
> Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
> toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much. Plus, the
> side effects (for most folks) can be nearly as bad as gout (just depends
> - no pun intended!).

This is a good article on colchicine.

http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfe...olchicine.html

It blocks a fundamental cellular process -- microtubule
assembly. I'm not sure it makes sense to do that for gout.
That's like using nuclear bombs against locusts.

It has a very low therapeutic index -- small difference between
an effective dose and a harmful dose.

http://www.fda.gov/Cder/drug/unappro...chicine_qa.htm

On 2009-04-21, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Gout is a serious condition......
>
> By avoiding the gout-producing foods........

A personal opinion. I've been on allupurinol for 12 yrs. Never had another
gout attack again, EVER! ....despite eating any/everything. You need to see
a rheumatologist, as opposed to a clueless general practioner (no offense).

nb

Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> Sky wrote:
> >
> > Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
> > toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much. Plus, the
> > side effects (for most folks) can be nearly as bad as gout (just depends
> > - no pun intended!).
>
> This is a good article on colchicine.
>
> http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfe...olchicine.html
>
> It blocks a fundamental cellular process -- microtubule
> assembly. I'm not sure it makes sense to do that for gout.
> That's like using nuclear bombs against locusts.
>
> It has a very low therapeutic index -- small difference between
> an effective dose and a harmful dose.
>
> http://www.fda.gov/Cder/drug/unappro...chicine_qa.htm

Thanks for sharing the articles; they were good and informative reads.
Both reminded me about what I'd learned many years ago aboug gout when
Spouse suffered a first attack. Unfortunately, there haven't been any
new developments or medications for gout

Sky

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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

"Mr. Bill" > wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:09:39 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>>Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
>>toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much.
>
> Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
> taking it as my doctor informed me.

Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
trick?

-sw

Sqwertz > wrote:

>"Mr. Bill" > wrote:

>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:09:39 -0500, Sky >
>> wrote:

>>>Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
>>>toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much.

>> Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
>> taking it as my doctor informed me.

>Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
>trick?

Typically, under managed care, a patient pays per prescription
so if you think the patient might ever need more of the med,
you give them a large count of pills. Otherwise, the patient
feels cheated.

Anyway, in my case it takes a cumulative 7 colchicine pills
(600 micrograms each) to nuke a gout attack, and I might
need to do this three times per episode. Then, if I am traveling
or otherwise need to absolutely avoid an attack, I will take up to
three every two days. Maintenance while adapting to purine
control drugs is also about one pill per day. I'm into my
first refill of 200 colchicine pills.

Steve

Sqwertz wrote:
>
> "Mr. Bill" > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:09:39 -0500, Sky >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
> >>toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much.
> >
> > Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
> > taking it as my doctor informed me.
>
> Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
> trick?
>
> -sw

Gout is tricky to treat. Colchicine is usually prescribed in 0.5 or 0.6
mg pills, and it is the only medication (to date) that is truly
effective to treat an 'acute' attack of gout. What dosage and frequency
works for one patient is different for others. The real trick is to
prevent the 'attack' in the first place -- hence prophylactic
medications like allopurinol, probenicid (sp?) and one or two other
medications are usually used and are effective - most of the time. The
options to treat and prevent gout are very limited. Typically, Spouse
will take up to 12 colchicine tablets the first day of a severe attack
but does suffer the common side effects quickly soon afterwards.

Sky, who is no MD, RN or medic and whose Spouse suffers gout

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> "Mr. Bill" > wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:09:39 -0500, Sky >
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Please be aware that colchicine does have the potential to be lethally
> >>toxic when too much is taken. And, it doesn't take much.
> >
> > Yes...it is very toxic. But when you get immediate relief...you stop
> > taking it as my doctor informed me.
>
> Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
> trick?
>
For potential future recurrences (sporadic). My doc wanted me to try
this first, before prescribing the allopurinol (or whatever) that would
need to be taken constantly to do its work (like cholesterol or blood-
pressure meds). If there are just a few, sporadic flare-ups, and if
the colchicine -- in limited quantities, before nasty side effects show
up -- works (it doesn't for some folks), then it is a cheap and easy
and effective treatment. So far it has been for me, but I am very leery
of taking more than 3 a day, or even that for several days, before the
gastric side-effects start being distressing.

Sky > wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:

>> Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
>> trick?
>
>Gout is tricky to treat. Colchicine is usually prescribed in 0.5 or 0.6
>mg pills, and it is the only medication (to date) that is truly
>effective to treat an 'acute' attack of gout. What dosage and frequency
>works for one patient is different for others. The real trick is to
>prevent the 'attack' in the first place -- hence prophylactic
>medications like allopurinol, probenicid (sp?) and one or two other
>medications are usually used and are effective - most of the time. The
>options to treat and prevent gout are very limited. Typically, Spouse
>will take up to 12 colchicine tablets the first day of a severe attack
>but does suffer the common side effects quickly soon afterwards.

Holy moly that is a lot of chochicine to take in one day.

My doc said limit it to 4 per day. One does not gain relief
until about day three. The stuff is fairly cumulative,
with a leukocyte half-life of 60 hours, but a serum
half-life less than a day. The idea is to get enough of
it sequestered in your leukocytes without having too
much of it in your bloodstream.

Steve

"Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:33:33 -0400, "Elly" >
> wrote:
>
>>I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>>I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>
> It can help...but if you are really interested in getting relief, go
> to your doctor.
>
> I hobbled around for five weeks and was miserable. My doctor
> prescribed colchicine 0.6mg. He old me that IF I was experiencing
> gout, this would bring immediate relief. I took ONE tab every two
> hours and like magic, it stopped hurting, swelling disappeared and
> flexability returned. This was after three pills.
>
> My first though was, oh cripes...here is another 10 dollar a pill
> medicine. He scriped 60 (sixty) pills and the bill was $8
> (eight) dollars. I couldn't have bought a bottle of Aleve for that
> amount.
>

I had great luck without meds. I stopped eating so many tomatoes and I
drank a quart of cherry juice a day. I got the real whole cherry juice, not
the stuff which is mostly sugar water. The worst of the pain was gone in a
couple of days. Boy do I remember those flare ups, I couldn't even have a
sheet on my foot when I slept.

Paul

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Sky > wrote:
>
> >Sqwertz wrote:
>
> >> Then why did he prescribe 60 of them if 5 or less of them did the
> >> trick?
> >
> >Gout is tricky to treat. Colchicine is usually prescribed in 0.5 or 0.6
> >mg pills, and it is the only medication (to date) that is truly
> >effective to treat an 'acute' attack of gout. What dosage and frequency
> >works for one patient is different for others. The real trick is to
> >prevent the 'attack' in the first place -- hence prophylactic
> >medications like allopurinol, probenicid (sp?) and one or two other
> >medications are usually used and are effective - most of the time. The
> >options to treat and prevent gout are very limited. Typically, Spouse
> >will take up to 12 colchicine tablets the first day of a severe attack
> >but does suffer the common side effects quickly soon afterwards.
>
> Holy moly that is a lot of chochicine to take in one day.
>
> My doc said limit it to 4 per day. One does not gain relief
> until about day three. The stuff is fairly cumulative,
> with a leukocyte half-life of 60 hours, but a serum
> half-life less than a day. The idea is to get enough of
> it sequestered in your leukocytes without having too
> much of it in your bloodstream.
>
> Steve

Yeah, spouse pushes the limit (ugh!). He pays for it though, with the
gastro side effects.

Sky

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"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Gout is a serious condition and gout sufferers should
> be under the care of a doctor. But having said that,
> I must admit I've had many gout attacks and I've never
> seen a doctor for it.
>
> Drink lots of water, stay off the affected joint, and
> avoid the foods that cause gout. (Unless you have
> some sort of kidney problem, in which case drinking
> water may be the worst thing you can do. Drinking
> water is helpful only if you are having no problem
> generating and passing urine.)
>
> Gout is caused by accumulation of insoluble uric acid
> crystals in the joints, which in turn is caused by
> overloading your kidneys with organic nitrogen.
> Normally, the kidneys send nitrogenous waste out
> of the body as urea in the urine. But when they
> get overloaded due to impaired kidney function or
> eating too much nitrogen-containing food, the body
> has to put that nitrogen somewhere, and it ends up
> as uric acid crystals usually in the toes or feet.
> (Uric acid is more familiar as the white part of
> bird droppings.)
>
> Like frostbite, working the affected tissue causes
> the crystals to grind against the tissues, damaging
> them. At the FIRST sign of gout, stay off the
> affected joints. Otherwise, you will later feel
> much more pain.
>
> The foods which contribute to gout are rich in
> protein or nucleic acids (or both). At the FIRST
> sign of gout, immediately stop eating these foods.
> Protein-rich foods are meat, eggs, and cheese.
> Egg yolks and ripened cheeses (any aged cheese).
> pack a particularly strong gout-producing punch.
>
> Continue to avoid these foods until the gout is
> COMPLETELY gone. Some of my worst flare-ups have
> occurred by going back to eating meat too soon
> after an attack. Now, I stay off the gout-producing
> foods for a couple of days after the last trace of
> symptoms have gone away.
>
> By avoiding the gout-producing foods and drinking
> lots of water, I've been mostly gout-free for the last
> 6 1/2 years -- longer than any earlier period of my adult
> life. However, gout can be a sign of a much more
> serious problem, kidney disease. That's why you
> should be checked out by a doctor if you have gout.
> In my case, I know that every attack was precipitated
> by eating too much meat, cheese, eggs, or in one case
> soy protein. Often, I remember asking myself whether
> eating this would cause gout, as I ate the food
> I suspected might precipitate another attack.
> And in every case it did.

It is not so much protein rich foods in and of themselves. It is foods rich
in purines. The purines help precipitate the uric acid into crystals.
Purine rich foods include offal meats, shellfish, yeast, mushrooms,
asparagus and tomatoes. I was feasting on a bumper crop of tomatoes when I
got my first attack.

Paul

Paul M. Cook > wrote:

>It is not so much protein rich foods in and of themselves. It is foods rich
>in purines. The purines help precipitate the uric acid into crystals.
>Purine rich foods include offal meats, shellfish, yeast, mushrooms,
>asparagus and tomatoes. I was feasting on a bumper crop of tomatoes when I
>got my first attack.

It depends how you count things. Tomatoes have 11 mg purines per
100 grams, whereas beef has 120 mg. However beef has far
more calories per 100 g (341 vs. 18). So you could say
tomatos have a lot of purines for their food value, but
you'd have to eat a lot of them. (Which you apparently did...)

Steve

"Elly" > wrote in message
...
> Andy et al.
>
> I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
> I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>
> Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html
>
> HTH
> Elly


If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.

You people - Never mind.

You really are an IDIOT to believe that DRIVEL.

Want to get rid of GOUT?

Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in news:cpJHl.8689$im1.7565
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

>
> "Elly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Andy et al.
>>
>> I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>> I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>>
>> Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html
>>
>> HTH
>> Elly
>
>
> If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.
>
> You people - Never mind.
>
> You really are an IDIOT to believe that DRIVEL.
>
> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>
> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>
> Dimitri
>
>



LOL!! What're you trying to say Dimitri??!! ;-)



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Killfile all Google Groups posters.........

http://improve-usenet.org/

http://improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:33:04 -0700, "Dimitri" >
wrote:

>If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.

Dang. I thought alcohol was medicinal. <sigh>

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Dimitri" > wrote in news:cpJHl.8689$im1.7565
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

>
> "Elly" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Andy et al.
>>
>> I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>> I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>>
>> Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html
>>
>> HTH
>> Elly
>
>
> If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.
>
> You people - Never mind.
>
> You really are an IDIOT to believe that DRIVEL.
>
> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>
> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>
> Dimitri
>

They also need to avoid eating foods high in purines. And while
excessive alcohol consumption certainly aggravates gout, it's not the
sole cause. My father had gout - he was a teetotaller. He died when I
was 28 - in all those years the only alcohol I saw him drink was a sip
of champagne at my sister's wedding and at mine (and he pulled a face
:-)) The rest of the time he drank tea, coffee, water and the very
occasional soft drink.

I've read since that arteriosclerosis can predispose you to gout and he
certainly had that.

--
Rhonda Anderson
Cranebrook, NSW, Australia

Core of my heart, my country! Land of the rainbow gold,
For flood and fire and famine she pays us back threefold.
My Country, Dorothea MacKellar, 1904

Rhonda Anderson said...

> They also need to avoid eating foods high in purines.


Rhonda,

Anyone who's has gout learned that early on.

Doc prescribed me Allopurinol so I could continue to eat those foods but I
decided instead of eating all the foods that would let me continue to gain
weight, I decided to just restrict my diet, which help in losing weight. The
only downside is a much shorter list of foods I can enjoy.

I'm not 100% successful at keeping it at bay 100% of the time. Indocin is my
friend!

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

"PeterL" > wrote in message
. 25...
> "Dimitri" > wrote in news:cpJHl.8689$im1.7565
> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Elly" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Andy et al.
>>>
>>> I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>>> I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>>>
>>> Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Elly
>>
>>
>> If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.
>>
>> You people - Never mind.
>>
>> You really are an IDIOT to believe that DRIVEL.
>>
>> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>>
>> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>>
>
>
>
> LOL!! What're you trying to say Dimitri??!! ;-)
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

And I quote
"in fact, the FDA went out of its way to try to muzzle cherry growers,
preventing them from linking to scientific studies on cherries as a way to
censor the information you're about to read here."

Now lets be serious - The food and drug administration has the time to
conspire against the Cherry Growers. They're too busy taking bribes from
the drug lobby.

Now having had gout I understand the necessity to fine relief IMMEDIATELY -
But to buy a product from any idiot who expect the reader to believe the
above statement is akin to walking down the street holding your wallet open
with a sign around your neck saying TAKE SOME.

The again there are people with a RUBE mentality. To recommend the site to
someone is IMHO an insult to their intelligence. " Have I got a Bridge for
you"

If Cherries were the answer to autoimmune diseases like arthritis, and BTW
Cherry juice has been known to help for years, do you not think companies
like Pfizer whose patent on Viagra is about to run out would jump on Cherry
research?

Gimme a break.

Gout is easily prevented with alopurinal and by diet as well as an
understanding of how the human body works. This is not brain surgery, or
quantum physics.

Dimitri

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:33:04 -0700, "Dimitri" >
> wrote:
>
>>If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.
>
> Dang. I thought alcohol was medicinal. <sigh>


It is now and ever shall be.

:-)

It may not cure gout or even aggravate it but with enough medicine you don't
give a crap.

;-)

Dimitri

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:33:04 -0700, Dimitri wrote:

>
> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>
> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>
> Dimitri

will that really work? i hadn't heard of cherries in suppository form
before.

dried or fresh?

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
.. .
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 11:33:04 -0700, Dimitri wrote:
>
>>
>> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>>
>> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> will that really work? i hadn't heard of cherries in suppository form
> before.
>
> dried or fresh?
>
> your pal,
> blake

LOL.................

dc

"Rhonda Anderson" > wrote in message
. 5...
> "Dimitri" > wrote in news:cpJHl.8689$im1.7565
> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>>
>> "Elly" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Andy et al.
>>>
>>> I used to have gout too so I know how debilitating it is!
>>> I just received an e-mail that you might want to read.
>>>
>>> Here is the link: http://www.naturalnews.com/026091.html
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Elly
>>
>>
>> If you eat 6 cherries a day with your 6 Manhattans you still get gout.
>>
>> You people - Never mind.
>>
>> You really are an IDIOT to believe that DRIVEL.
>>
>> Want to get rid of GOUT?
>>
>> Drink WATER and shove Cherries up your ass.
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>
> They also need to avoid eating foods high in purines. And while
> excessive alcohol consumption certainly aggravates gout, it's not the
> sole cause. My father had gout - he was a teetotaller. He died when I
> was 28 - in all those years the only alcohol I saw him drink was a sip
> of champagne at my sister's wedding and at mine (and he pulled a face
> :-)) The rest of the time he drank tea, coffee,


Snip.

Coffee is one of the biggest problems - We think because of all the liquid
we can drink as much coffee as we want. Not true. Coffee as with alcohol
although for different reasons will dehydrate a person terribly. Next tome
you're at the drug store -look at a package of OTC water pills and look at
the ingredients - ready? Caffeine.


One of the primary reason for a flair up is not enough liquid to flush the
crap from your system.

Dimitri

Rhonda Anderson > wrote:

>They also need to avoid eating foods high in purines. And while
>excessive alcohol consumption certainly aggravates gout, it's not the
>sole cause. My father had gout - he was a teetotaller. He died when I
>was 28 - in all those years the only alcohol I saw him drink was a sip
>of champagne at my sister's wedding and at mine (and he pulled a face
>:-)) The rest of the time he drank tea, coffee, water and the very
>occasional soft drink.

>I've read since that arteriosclerosis can predispose you to gout and he
>certainly had that.

Gout, and/or elevated uric acid, is part of metabolic syndrome
(also known as Syndrome X), which comprises the full monty of high
blood lipids, high uric acid, hypertension, and pre-diabetes. And
possibly some other markers I have left out. Central body
fat is also typical but any one or two of these markers can
be left out if the others are there, and you still may
have metabolic syndrome and a poorer-than-average outlook.

Steve