I'll never!!!

I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!

Never ever ever!

Especially not to rescue Chrysler.

Who's the fool?

Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.

Name a flat model off the top of your head!??

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Andy wrote:


> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??

Kate Moss.

Andy wrote:
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??

What the **** are you talking about?

What is a "Flat," and what does "the no purpose car company America ever
heard of" mean?

Work out what you're ranting about first, then come back and write
something that means something.

Andy wrote:
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>

A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a nice little
car, fun to drive and very reliable.

I have had two GM cars, several Fords, an AMC, two Hondas, two Mazdas
and a Datsun. I have never owned a Chrysler vehicle. When I was working
in the equipment section of my government department we had a fleet of
more than 100 pickup trucks that we bought by tender. We had the best
luck with Fords and GMs were the second best. The Dodge trucks were the
worst.

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> Andy

Fiat 124 Spyder
Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
Fiat Abarth Coupe

For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.

They been around for a few years.

Dimitri



1899 Fiat 3.5 CV
1900 Fiat 6 HP
1901 Fiat 10 HP
1901 Fiat 12 HP
1901 Fiat 8 HP
1902 Fiat 24-32 HP
1903 Fiat 16-20 HP
1903 Fiat 16-24 HP
1905 Fiat 16 HP
1905 Fiat 24-32 HP
1905 Fiat Brevetti
1907 Fiat 35-45 hp
1909 Fiat Brevetti tipo
1912 Fiat 12-15 HP Model Zero
1912 Fiat 2B 15-20 HP
1912 Fiat 3 A
1912 Fiat 3 TER
1915 Fiat 70
1919 Fiat 501
1919 Fiat 505
1919 Fiat 507
1920 Fiat 1 T Taxi
1921 Fiat 520 Superfiat
1922 Fiat 501 S
1922 Fiat 519
1925 Fiat 509
1926 Fiat 502
1926 Fiat 503
1927 Fiat 520
1928 Fiat 521
1928 Fiat 525
1929 Fiat 514
1931 Fiat 522
1931 Fiat 524
1932 Fiat 508
1933 Fiat 518
1933 Fiat 518 Ardita
1934 Fiat 527
1934 Fiat 508S Balilla
1936 Fiat 1500
1937 Fiat 10-12
1937 Fiat 500 'Topolino'
1938 Fiat Twelve Saloon
1938 Fiat 2800
1939 Fiat 25
1939 Fiat 1100
Fiat 1100
Fiat 500
Fiat 1500
Fiat 850
1948 Fiat 1100 S Coupé
1948 Fiat 500
1949 Fiat 1500
1950 Fiat 1400
1952 Fiat 1900
1952 Fiat 8V Coupé
1953 Fiat 1100
1954 Fiat 1900 Diesel
1955 Fiat 1100 TV Spider
1955 Fiat 600
1955 Fiat 600 Multipla
1956 Fiat 600D Multipla
1957 Fiat 1200 Spyder
1959 Fiat 1100
1959 Fiat 1200 Spyder
1959 Fiat 1400B
1959 Fiat 1500S
1959 Fiat 1800
1959 Fiat 2100 Coupé Vignale
1959 Fiat 750 Berlina Abarth
1959 Fiat Nuova 500 Sport
1960 Fiat 1500 Cabriolet
1960 Fiat 2100
1960 Fiat 500 Giardiniera
1961 Fiat 2300 Berlina
1961 Fiat 2300 Coupé
1961 Fiat 2300S Coupé
1961 Fiat 850 TC Berlina Abarth
1962 Fiat 1300
1962 Fiat 1500
1962 Fiat 1500S Berlina Abarth
1963 Fiat 1600 Cabriolet
1963 Fiat 1600S Coupé
1963 Fiat 2300 Berlina Speciale
1963 Fiat 600
1963 Fiat 600 D Multipla
1964 Fiat 850
1965 Fiat 850 Coupé
1965 Fiat 850 Spider
1965 Fiat OT 1000 Coupé Abarth
1965 Fiat OTS 1000 Coupé Abarth


A Fiat 124-based Lada


Fiat 125


Fiat Dino Coupé
[edit] 1966-1979
1966 Fiat 124 1200
1966 Fiat 124 Coupé 1400
1966 Fiat 124
1966 Fiat 124 Spider 1400
1966 Fiat 2300 B Familiare
1966 Fiat 850 Vanessa
1966 Fiat OT 1300/124 Coupé Abarth
1967 Fiat 1100 R
1967 Fiat 125
1967 Fiat 125 Special Berlina
1967 Fiat 1500 Cabriolet
1967 Fiat Dino Coupé 2.0
1967 Fiat Dino Spider 2.0
1968 Fiat 1500 L Berlina
1968 Fiat 850 Sport Coupé
1968 Fiat 850 Sport Spider
1968 Fiat 850 Super Berlina
1969 Fiat 124 Coupé 1600
1969 Fiat 124 Spider 1600
1969 Fiat 128 Estate
1969 Fiat 128 Saloon
1969 Fiat 130 Saloon
1969 Fiat Dino 2.4 Coupé
1969 Fiat Dino 2.4 Spider
1970 Fiat 124 Special T
1970 Fiat 418 urban bus
1971 Fiat 127
1971 Fiat 128 1100SL Coupé
1971 Fiat 128 1300SL Coupé
1971 Fiat 128 Rally
1973 Fiat 314/3 urban/intercity bus
1971 Fiat 130 Coupé
1971 Fiat 130 Coupé Automatic
1972 Fiat 124 Abarth Rallye
1972 Fiat 124 Coupé 1800
1972 Fiat 124 Spider 1800
1972 Fiat 127 L
1972 Fiat 421 city/urban bus
1972 Fiat 500L
1972 Fiat 500L Berlina
1972 Fiat 850 Familiare
1972 Fiat X1/9
1973 Fiat 126
1973 Fiat 132
1974 Fiat 133
1975 Fiat 130 Opera
1975 Fiat Mirafiori 1600 CL
1976 Fiat 131 Abarth
1976 Fiat 132 1800 ES
1977 Fiat 132 2000 GLS
1977 Fiat Fiorino (first generation)
1976 Fiat 370.12.26 coach
1978 Fiat 128
1978 Fiat Ritmo
1978 Fiat Mirafiori Sport
1979 Fiat 124 Spider 2000
1979 Fiat 132 Diesel
1979 Fiat Campagnola
1979 Fiat Campagnola Lunga
1979 Fiat Mirafiori 1300 CL
1979 Fiat Supermirafiori
[edit] 1980-1989
1980 Fiat Panda 750
1980 Fiat Strada 75 CL
1980 Fiat Supermirafiori
1980 [[Fiat 126|
1981 Fiat 131 Mirafiori 1300 L
1981 Fiat 131 Racing
1981 Fiat Strada Abarth 125 TC
1982 Fiat 127 1300 Sport
1982 Fiat Abarth Volumetrico 131
1982 Fiat Argenta
1982 Fiat Campagnola Diesel
1982 Fiat Panda 30
1982 Fiat Strada 105 TC
1982 Fiat X1/9 (US)
1983 Fiat Regata
1983 Fiat Uno
1984 Fiat Panda 4X4
1984 Fiat Strada Abarth 130 TC
1984 Fiat Fiorino (second generation)
1985 Fiat 127 Diesel Panorama
1985 Fiat 127 Panorama
1985 Fiat Argenta SX
1985 Fiat Panda 45 Super
1985 Fiat Uno Turbo ie
1986 Fiat Croma
1986 Fiat Panda 1300D
1987 Fiat 126 BIS
1988 Fiat Tipo
1989 Fiat Croma Diesel


Fiat Cinquecento Sporting
[edit] 1990-1999
1990 Fiat Tempra
1992 Fiat Cinquecento
1994 Fiat Punto
1994 Fiat Fiorino (third generation)
1995 Fiat Barchetta
1995 Fiat Brava
1995 Fiat Bravo
1995 Fiat Cinquecento Sporting
1995 Fiat Coupé 16v Turbo
1995 Fiat Coupé 1.8 16v
1995 Fiat Ulysse
1996 Fiat Palio
1996 Fiat Coupé 2.0 20v
1996 Fiat Marea 1.4 12v
1998 Fiat Marea 155 20v
1998 Fiat Marea Weekend 155 20v
1998 Fiat Multipla
1998 Fiat Seicento
1999 Fiat Punto (second generation)
1980 FIAT 132L
[edit] 2001-present


Grande Punto
2001 Fiat Doblo
2001 Fiat Stilo
2002 Fiat Ulysse (second generation)
2003 Fiat Idea
2003 Fiat Panda (second generation)
2003 Fiat Punto (mark 2 revision B)
2004 Fiat Panda 4x4 (second generation)
2005 Fiat Panda Alessi
2005 Fiat Panda Cross
2005 Fiat Croma
2005 Fiat Sedici
2005 Fiat Grande Punto
2006 Fiat Panda 100HP
2007 Fiat Linea
2007 Fiat Bravo (second generation)
2007 Fiat Nuova 500
2008 Fiat Fiorino (fourth generation)
2008 Fiat Fiorino Qubo (people carrier

Pennyaline said...

> Andy wrote:
>> I'll never!!!
>>
>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>
>> Never ever ever!
>>
>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>
>> Who's the fool?
>>
>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>
>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> What the **** are you talking about?
>
> What is a "Flat," and what does "the no purpose car company America ever
> heard of" mean?
>
> Work out what you're ranting about first, then come back and write
> something that means something.


Pennyaline,

I never claimed I was a full time comedian.

Meanwhile, where's your sense of humor gone off to???

Andy

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a nice little
> car, fun to drive and very reliable.

I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few years.
It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having such a tiny
engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for treatment as
a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere). Fun to drive
on the freeway in the rain with the top down, because the
windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I didn't stop,
I didn't get wet (except for the top of my head).

Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to own
a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like that
which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a wet
street.

Mark Thorson said...

> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a nice little
>> car, fun to drive and very reliable.
>
> I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few years.
> It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having such a tiny
> engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for treatment as
> a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere). Fun to drive
> on the freeway in the rain with the top down, because the
> windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I didn't stop,
> I didn't get wet (except for the top of my head).
>
> Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to own
> a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like that
> which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a wet
> street.


Mark,

But weren't the Spider's micro sports cars?

I can't picture Chrysler going that route. They're the American Gas Hog car
company.

Fiat is just a wish and a prayer BS promise.

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Dimitri said...

>
> "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9BFD865694DF6CotD@
216.196.97.131...
>> I'll never!!!
>>
>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>
>> Never ever ever!
>>
>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>
>> Who's the fool?
>>
>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>
>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>>
>> Andy
>
> Fiat 124 Spyder
> Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
> Fiat Abarth Coupe
>
> For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.
>
> They been around for a few years.
>
> Dimitri


Dimitri,

<snipped>

While a great car and a great model line as you so expertly pointed out,
whose going to make a better Fiat?

You and I and most others know Chrysler won't improve the Fiat line. Rather
just succeed in destroying it.

That said, I haven't seen many Fiats on the roads in and around town.

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Andy wrote on Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:51:55 -0500:

>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a
>>> nice little car, fun to drive and very reliable.
>>
>> I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few
>> years. It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having
>> such a tiny engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for
>> treatment as a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere).
>> Fun to drive on the freeway in the rain with the top down,
>> because the windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I
>> didn't stop, I didn't get wet (except for the top of my
>> head).
>>
>> Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to
>> own a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like
>> that which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a
>> wet street.

> Mark,

> But weren't the Spider's micro sports cars?

> I can't picture Chrysler going that route. They're the
> American Gas Hog car company.

> Fiat is just a wish and a prayer BS promise.

Hasn't Fiat also had some experience with near bankruptcy? Perhaps I
should not mention: "Fix it again Tony", "Fix it alla time", "Fix it
again tomorrow" etc.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton said...

> Andy wrote on Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:51:55 -0500:
>
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a
>>>> nice little car, fun to drive and very reliable.
>>>
>>> I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few
>>> years. It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having
>>> such a tiny engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for
>>> treatment as a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere).
>>> Fun to drive on the freeway in the rain with the top down,
>>> because the windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I
>>> didn't stop, I didn't get wet (except for the top of my
>>> head).
>>>
>>> Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to
>>> own a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like
>>> that which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a
>>> wet street.
>
>> Mark,
>
>> But weren't the Spider's micro sports cars?
>
>> I can't picture Chrysler going that route. They're the
>> American Gas Hog car company.
>
>> Fiat is just a wish and a prayer BS promise.
>
> Hasn't Fiat also had some experience with near bankruptcy? Perhaps I
> should not mention: "Fix it again Tony", "Fix it alla time", "Fix it
> again tomorrow" etc.


James,

Heh heh heh heh heh!

Entirely probably true.

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>

Ferrari, Maserati.........

On Apr 30, 1:17*pm, "graham" > wrote:
> "Andy" > wrote in ...
> > I'll never!!!
>
> > I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> > Never ever ever!
>
> > Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> > Who's the fool?
>
> > Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> Ferrari, Maserati.........

Andy acts like he was molested by a Fiat when he was a child.

--Bryan listen @ http://www.MySpace.com/TheBonobos

> What is a "Flat," and what does "the no purpose car company America ever
> heard of" mean?
>
> Work out what you're ranting about first, then come back and write
> something that means something.

What, you want coherence from Mr. Andy? LOL.

N.

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> Dimitri said...
>
>>
>> "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9BFD865694DF6CotD@
> 216.196.97.131...
>>> I'll never!!!
>>>
>>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>>
>>> Never ever ever!
>>>
>>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>>
>>> Who's the fool?
>>>
>>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>>
>>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>>>
>>> Andy
>>
>> Fiat 124 Spyder
>> Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
>> Fiat Abarth Coupe
>>
>> For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.
>>
>> They been around for a few years.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
>
> Dimitri,
>
> <snipped>
>
> While a great car and a great model line as you so expertly pointed out,
> whose going to make a better Fiat?
>
> You and I and most others know Chrysler won't improve the Fiat line.
> Rather
> just succeed in destroying it.
>
> That said, I haven't seen many Fiats on the roads in and around town.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
> --
> Eat first, talk later.



Andy,

I think your vision or perspective has narrowed. The object is not for
Chrysler to fix Fiat it is for Fiat to fix Chrysler.

It is important to remember Fiat has 2 great histories, The first is making
" the peoples cars" their 500 CC & 600 CC Little mouse (Topolino) was the
best selling car in the world, Secondly they are very adept at
understanding foreign markets as illustrated by their world wide joint
ventures.

The Chapter 11 that Chrysler has now entered will have several effects;

First it can void the UAW contracts.
Second it will reduce a major portion of their debt -

Why did they file - simple the creditors could not agree on a debt reduction
formula and the government said ENOUGH.

I suspect after all is said and done the Money that Fiat will pay will
ultimately end up in the hands of the lawyers and the creditors in order to
settle for some percentage of their debt. Until that time a DIP (Debtor in
Possession) is in fact running the company.

Without question there are gross over simplifications for a very complex
problem.

Dimitri

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> Mark Thorson said...
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> A friend of mine in high school had a Fiat Spider. It was a nice little
>>> car, fun to drive and very reliable.
>>
>> I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few years.
>> It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having such a tiny
>> engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for treatment as
>> a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere). Fun to drive
>> on the freeway in the rain with the top down, because the
>> windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I didn't stop,
>> I didn't get wet (except for the top of my head).
>>
>> Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to own
>> a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like that
>> which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a wet
>> street.
>
>
> Mark,
>
> But weren't the Spider's micro sports cars?
>
> I can't picture Chrysler going that route. They're the American Gas Hog
> car
> company.

The Crossfire isn't all that big. Nice handling car, too. I rented one for
the weekend when visiting my cousin in Kentucky last year.

Jon

Food Snob® said...

> On Apr 30, 1:17*pm, "graham" > wrote:
>> "Andy" > wrote in messagenews:Xns9BFD865694DF6CotD@
216.196.97.13
> 1...
>> > I'll never!!!
>>
>> > I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>
>> > Never ever ever!
>>
>> > Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>
>> > Who's the fool?
>>
>> > Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>
>> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>>
>> Ferrari, Maserati.........
>
> Andy acts like he was molested by a Fiat when he was a child.
>
> --Bryan listen @ http://www.MySpace.com/TheBonobos


Nah!

I rolled over 99,999 miles over to 00,000 in my 1967 VW 1800cc bug on the
way from Oakland to San Diego and pulled over and loaded a pipe of
something illegal to celebrate and then got back on the road.

Then, in my rear view mirror I saw an approaching black dot. Turned into a
black Porsche that passed me at probably 150 mph, nearly blowing me off the
road.

I was a micro-Porsche at "wishful thinking" 70 mph!

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Dimitri said...

> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Dimitri said...
>>
>>>
>>> "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9BFD865694DF6CotD@
>> 216.196.97.131...
>>>> I'll never!!!
>>>>
>>>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>>>
>>>> Never ever ever!
>>>>
>>>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>>>
>>>> Who's the fool?
>>>>
>>>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>>>
>>>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>
>>> Fiat 124 Spyder
>>> Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
>>> Fiat Abarth Coupe
>>>
>>> For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.
>>>
>>> They been around for a few years.
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>
>>
>> Dimitri,
>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>> While a great car and a great model line as you so expertly pointed
>> out, whose going to make a better Fiat?
>>
>> You and I and most others know Chrysler won't improve the Fiat line.
>> Rather
>> just succeed in destroying it.
>>
>> That said, I haven't seen many Fiats on the roads in and around town.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>> --
>> Eat first, talk later.
>
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I think your vision or perspective has narrowed. The object is not for
> Chrysler to fix Fiat it is for Fiat to fix Chrysler.
>
> It is important to remember Fiat has 2 great histories, The first is
> making " the peoples cars" their 500 CC & 600 CC Little mouse (Topolino)
> was the best selling car in the world, Secondly they are very adept at
> understanding foreign markets as illustrated by their world wide joint
> ventures.
>
> The Chapter 11 that Chrysler has now entered will have several effects;
>
> First it can void the UAW contracts.
> Second it will reduce a major portion of their debt -
>
> Why did they file - simple the creditors could not agree on a debt
> reduction formula and the government said ENOUGH.
>
> I suspect after all is said and done the Money that Fiat will pay will
> ultimately end up in the hands of the lawyers and the creditors in order
> to settle for some percentage of their debt. Until that time a DIP
> (Debtor in Possession) is in fact running the company.
>
> Without question there are gross over simplifications for a very complex
> problem.
>
> Dimitri


Dimitri,

All good points!

Now think, why did Dymler/Chrysler go their separate ways?

I wouldn't want to get into bed with Chrysler if I was Fiat.

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Apr 30, 2:00*pm, Andy > wrote:
> Dimitri said...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Dimitri said...
>
> >>> "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9BFD865694DF6CotD@
> >> 216.196.97.131...
> >>>> I'll never!!!
>
> >>>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> >>>> Never ever ever!
>
> >>>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> >>>> Who's the fool?
>
> >>>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> >>>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> >>>> Andy
>
> >>> Fiat 124 Spyder
> >>> Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
> >>> Fiat Abarth Coupe
>
> >>> For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.
>
> >>> They been around for a few years.
>
> >>> Dimitri
>
> >> Dimitri,
>
> >> <snipped>
>
> >> While a great car and a great model line as you so expertly pointed
> >> out, whose going to make a better Fiat?
>
> >> You and I and most others know Chrysler won't improve the Fiat line.
> >> Rather
> >> just succeed in destroying it.
>
> >> That said, I haven't seen many Fiats on the roads in and around town.
>
> >> Best,
>
> >> Andy
> >> --
> >> Eat first, talk later.
>
> > Andy,
>
> > I think your vision or perspective has narrowed. The object is not for
> > Chrysler to fix Fiat it is for Fiat to fix Chrysler.
>
> > It is important to remember Fiat has 2 great histories, *The first is
> > making " the peoples cars" their 500 CC & 600 CC Little mouse (Topolino)
> > was the best selling car in the world, *Secondly they are very adept at
> > understanding foreign markets as illustrated by their world wide joint
> > ventures.
>
> > The Chapter 11 that Chrysler has now entered will have several effects;
>
> > First it can *void the UAW contracts.
> > Second it will reduce a major portion of their debt -
>
> > Why did they file - simple the creditors could not agree on a debt
> > reduction formula and the government said ENOUGH.
>
> > I suspect after all is said and done the Money that Fiat will pay will
> > ultimately end up in the hands of the lawyers and the creditors in order
> > to settle for some percentage of their debt. *Until that time a DIP
> > (Debtor in Possession) is in fact running the company.
>
> > Without question there are gross over simplifications for a very complex
> > problem.
>
> > Dimitri
>
> Dimitri,
>
> All good points!
>
> Now think, why did Dymler/Chrysler go their separate ways?
>
> I wouldn't want to get into bed with Chrysler if I was Fiat.
>

You really should get your prescription refilled.

said...

> You really should get your prescription refilled.


PVC,

Which one??

You walk to work obviously!

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On 2009-04-30, Kathleen > wrote:

> Kate Moss.

ROLFMAO!!!

On 2009-04-30, Dave Smith > wrote:

> car, fun to drive and very reliable.

NOT!!

I lived and commuted in CA for over 15 yrs. Despite the lack of ice and
snow, necessitating salt, Fiats never made past the 80s. I once saw a Fiat
Spyder on the freeway in the late 90s. I was shocked, as I hadn't seen one
in over 10 yrs. This in a state second only to Cuba for old cars.

Fiat Spyders and 850s were HUGE in CA, in their day, which was the 60-70s.
Twenty years later and they were like 5 cent Cokes. Same happened to
Renaults and Peaugots. Common as ants around spilled honey one day, a vague
memory the next.

BTW, Fiat has ALWAYS had a **** poor reputation for reliability, their major
claim to fame being they are cheap. The Italian Chevy.

nb

On 2009-04-30, Andy > wrote:

> Fiat is just a wish and a prayer BS promise.

Get a clue. Fiat own Ferrari.

nb

On 2009-04-30, Andy > wrote:

> Fiat is just a wish and a prayer BS promise.

Get a clue. Fiat own Ferrari.

nb

Zeppo wrote:
>
> "Andy" > wrote in message ...
> > Mark Thorson said...
> >
> >> I had a Fiat 850 Spyder convertible sports car for a few years.
> >> It was the most fun car I ever had, despite having such a tiny
> >> engine (just under 50 cu in, so it qualified for treatment as
> >> a motorcycle under some smog law somewhere). Fun to drive
> >> on the freeway in the rain with the top down, because the
> >> windshield kept the interior dry. As long as I didn't stop,
> >> I didn't get wet (except for the top of my head).
> >>
> >> Nowadays, I care more about safety and wouldn't be likely to own
> >> a convertible again. Especially a lightweight car like that
> >> which would go into a skid at the least provocation on a wet
> >> street.
> >
> > But weren't the Spider's micro sports cars?
> >
> > I can't picture Chrysler going that route. They're the American Gas Hog
> > car
> > company.
>
> The Crossfire isn't all that big. Nice handling car, too. I rented one for
> the weekend when visiting my cousin in Kentucky last year.

When I had the Spyder, it had great handling at a time
when all American cars had terrible handling. My previous
car was a 1968 Ford Mustang convertible, and I compared
its handling to a railroad boxcar with a steering wheel.
It was horrible.

Shortly thereafter, you could get that good handling in
most Japanese cars, but Detroit cars were still crap.
Today, all cars handle like sports cars, compared to
30 years ago when only sports cars handled like sports
cars, and everything else was like driving a schoolbus.

On Thu 30 Apr 2009 12:33:49p, l, not -l told us...

>
> On 30-Apr-2009, Andy > wrote:
>
>> All good points!
>>
>> Now think, why did Dymler/Chrysler go their separate ways?
>>
>> I wouldn't want to get into bed with Chrysler if I was Fiat.
>
> If you think Fiat and Diamler have similar business plans, therefor
reason
> to partner (or not) with Chrysler, you know even less about the auto
> industry than your posts thus far have indicated.
>
> Besides, given the content of your innumerable post to RFC, you're eager
to
> get into bed with anyone. ;-)

LOL!

--
Wayne Boatwright
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Large, naked raw carrots are acceptable as food only to those who
lie in hutches eagerly awaiting Easter. ~Fran Lebowitz

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:55:57 GMT, notbob > wrote:

> Fiat own Ferrari.

Ford owns Jaguar.

Dimitri wrote:

> "Andy" > wrote in message
...
> > I'll never!!!
> >
> > I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
> >
> > Never ever ever!
> >
> > Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
> >
> > Who's the fool?
> >
> > Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
> >
> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
> >
> > Andy
>
> Fiat 124 Spyder
> Topolino (worlds most popular car at one time) AKA Fiat 500 1937
> Fiat Abarth Coupe
>
> For many years FIAt was the # 1 car maker in the world.
>
> They been around for a few years.


Back in the 60's and 70's FIAT provided turn-key auto plants to the USSR,
where the Russki version of the Fiat 124 was produced for many years as the
Lada. Fiat also did a similar deal with Poland, where the 124 was dubbed
the "Polski Fiat", and IIRC they also helped the Yugoslavs set up their
first auto plants, where various versions of Fiats were sold under the
"Zastava" name (the Zastava concern was also responsible for the notoriously
awful "Yugo", 'memba them?)...

So Fiats in various guises were the first widely available car for the
average "consumer" when some of the Communist Bloc countries were trying to
get their auto industries off the ground...

In fact the Russians built a whole new town around the Fiat plant, naming it
"Togliatti", in honor of a famous Italian Communist Party leader...


--
Best
Greg

"Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:55:57 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>> Fiat own Ferrari.
>
> Ford owns Jaguar.

NOT ANY MORE.

Dimitri

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Andy wrote:
>
>
> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> Kate Moss.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/ga...oss-baby-bump/

There's a bump there down below. There's another picture on the page
somewhere with a couple of bumps on her chest.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Arri London said...

> Andy wrote:
>>
>> I'll never!!!
>>
>> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>>
>> Never ever ever!
>>
>> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>>
>> Who's the fool?
>>
>> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>>
>> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>>
>> Andy
>> --
>> Eat first, talk later.
>
> No idea what a 'flat' is. But my first car was a Fiat. Put 85,000 miles
> on it (in addition to the 30,000 on it when bought) before it fell apart
> completely. Four cylinders but no problem getting 85+ MPH on the
> motorway


Arri,

I can't remember the last time I saw a Fiat car TV commercial.

What chance of breaking down and getting back on the road in less than a
few days would I have?

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Andy wrote:
>
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> Andy
> --
> Eat first, talk later.

No idea what a 'flat' is. But my first car was a Fiat. Put 85,000 miles
on it (in addition to the 30,000 on it when bought) before it fell apart
completely. Four cylinders but no problem getting 85+ MPH on the
motorway

Andy wrote:
> I'll never!!!
>
> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>
> Never ever ever!
>
> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>
> Who's the fool?
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??

124 Sports Coupe?

I had 3 of those in the 80's. DOHC engine, 5-speed, 4-wheel disk brakes,
pretty good handling, nifty European horn - what's not to like? Well,
OK, rust...

Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino NOT Fix It Again, Tony! :-)

>
> Andy

Andy wrote:
>
> Arri London said...
>
> > Andy wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll never!!!
> >>
> >> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
> >>
> >> Never ever ever!
> >>
> >> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
> >>
> >> Who's the fool?
> >>
> >> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
> >>
> >> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
> >>
> >> Andy
> >> --
> >> Eat first, talk later.
> >
> > No idea what a 'flat' is. But my first car was a Fiat. Put 85,000 miles
> > on it (in addition to the 30,000 on it when bought) before it fell apart
> > completely. Four cylinders but no problem getting 85+ MPH on the
> > motorway
>
> Arri,
>
> I can't remember the last time I saw a Fiat car TV commercial.
>
> What chance of breaking down and getting back on the road in less than a
> few days would I have?
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>

Depends on the car and the repair shop; doesn't matter who makes it. Any
American car is just as likely to fail catastrophically as any 'foreign'
car.

Arri London said...

>
>
> Andy wrote:
>>
>> Arri London said...
>>
>> > Andy wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'll never!!!
>> >>
>> >> I'll never put a dime into buying a Flat!
>> >>
>> >> Never ever ever!
>> >>
>> >> Especially not to rescue Chrysler.
>> >>
>> >> Who's the fool?
>> >>
>> >> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>> >>
>> >> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>> >>
>> >> Andy
>> >> --
>> >> Eat first, talk later.
>> >
>> > No idea what a 'flat' is. But my first car was a Fiat. Put 85,000
miles
>> > on it (in addition to the 30,000 on it when bought) before it fell
apart
>> > completely. Four cylinders but no problem getting 85+ MPH on the
>> > motorway
>>
>> Arri,
>>
>> I can't remember the last time I saw a Fiat car TV commercial.
>>
>> What chance of breaking down and getting back on the road in less than a
>> few days would I have?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
> Depends on the car and the repair shop; doesn't matter who makes it. Any
> American car is just as likely to fail catastrophically as any 'foreign'
> car.


Broken down somewhere on the road, there are no doubt far fewer qualfied
Fiat mechanics and parts suppliers in the heartland of America compared to
Ford or Cadillac.

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Apr 30, 2:24*pm, Andy > wrote:
>
> You walk to work obviously!

Nooooo, I balloon to work!

"Andy" > wrote in message
> I can't remember the last time I saw a Fiat car TV commercial.
>


They run them every day. Oh, wait, I was in Italy at the time.

All kidding aside, they have improved considerably.

"Andy" > wrote in message
>
> Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> Andy

The Fiat 128 and 131 were popular back in the 70's. Then the tooling was
sold to another country in Europe and they were re-incanated as the Yugo.
Fiat and Yugo has many relationships building cars. What a team!.

On Apr 30, 10:09*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "Andy" > wrote in message
>
> > Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
>
> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
>
> > Andy
>
> The Fiat 128 and 131 were popular back in the 70's. *

I liked my 128. I bought my X-1/9 with over a hundred thousand on
it. I think that the odometer had ceased working at 138, xxx (I don't
know why I remember that). I got another maybe 20,000 before I junked
it. It was a fun car. For a while I drove it with a bad alternator.
I took the battery out every few days to charge it. So as not to
waste battery power, I always pop-started it. This was in Tampa,
where it was totally flat. I drove that thing straight through from
Tampa to St. Louis twice, going way too fast through part of
Kentucky. It still took 16 hours.

What I want is a little car that we only use to get around town. One
that we only put a couple of thousand miles a year on. I'd like it to
get the kind of mileage that a Toyota Aygo 1.0 liter 3 cyl gets. If
it's Fiat instead of Toyota, so be it. Either that or a mini utility,
4wd with reasonable ground clearance. I wish I had one of those old
Suzukis that had the rollover issues. Heck, I wouldn't roll it. I
understand the limitations of a high center of gravity vehicle. I own
a Jeep Wrangler that I guess I'll put the money into fixing, but only
because I can't get a lightweight, fuel efficient 4x4. We need
something of the sort for off grid camping.

What aggravates me is that I bought a brand new 1992 Geo Metro in late
'92. It got 51mpg hwy. Why the heck do Yarises and Fits and the like
only get in the high 30s? Why can't I buy an Aygo here? It's bad
enough that I have to look at freakin' PIGS driving around in Hummers
(God, I'd love to see them taken out by IEDs), but I can't go to the
other extreme. The Smart might be OK, but I have a 3 person family.
Americans have a F'd up mindset, but not all of us. Those of us who
cannot afford hybrids should be able to buy high mileage cheap cars.
Maybe, just maybe, Fiat will give us that alternative.

--Bryan
Visit Bobo Bonobo's Mortuary and Sausage Emporium
On the web @ http://MySpace.com/BoboBonobo

In article >,
"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:

> "Andy" > wrote in message
> >
> > Flat is the no purpose car company America ever heard of.
> >
> > Name a flat model off the top of your head!??
> >
> > Andy
>
> The Fiat 128 and 131 were popular back in the 70's. Then the tooling was
> sold to another country in Europe and they were re-incanated as the Yugo.
> Fiat and Yugo has many relationships building cars. What a team!.

I believe that Fiat does that with all their cars. We are familiar with
the "Yugo" here in the US because they were imported and sold here.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA