What happens when you die?

I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.

TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

TFM® wrote:
>
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.

Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too

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On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
wrote:

>TFM® wrote:
>>
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
>"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
>An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>
>Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too

I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
The memory comforts me when I miss her.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 7 May 2009 22:58:36 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>What happens when you die?
>
>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

Christy believed (and still does, as far as I know) in an afterlife
that includes being reunited with passed loved ones. She knew a
loving God.

In her case, I believe she is also making friends with the ancestors
of the many, many people she did genealogy projects for.

Working on her spiritual growth. Enjoying LIFE without the burdon of
a diseased body. That's where I believe Christy is.

Hugs,
Carol

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On Thu, 7 May 2009 22:58:36 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>What happens when you die?
>
>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnz2O4Chfw

With love, from Crash and Damsel

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"TFM®" > wrote in message
om...
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.

No one can know the answer to that question.
A person lives on in the memory of those that loved them. I think that when
someone dies, that's it, they are no more, the journey is over. By
remembering them, though, and telling their story, and making sure the
story is repeated, they live on. Not physically, but in spirit.
That lasts longer anyway.

TFM® wrote:
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

<<<<<Allan>>>>> I dunno either.

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sf wrote:
> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>> TFM® wrote:
>>> What happens when you die?
>>>
>>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>
>>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>> "Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
>> An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>> (thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>> 14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>> I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>> - no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>> too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>>
>> Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>
> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>
I haven't had such experiences, but the credible ones that I have
read or heard about also give me a glimmer of hope.

--
Jean B.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>>TFM® wrote:
>>>
>>> What happens when you die?
>>>
>>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>
>>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>
>>"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
>>An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>>(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>>14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>>I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>>- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>>too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>>
>>Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>
> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.
I'm a born again Christian and believe in heaven. When my mom died,
actually the day after my dog went nuts and ran into the dining room and
both my husband and I heard "I's just me" and it was my mother's voice and
my dog stopped barking but we saw no-one.


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"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 7 May 2009 22:58:36 -0400, TFM® >
> wrote:
>
>>What happens when you die?
>>
>>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnz2O4Chfw
>
> With love, from Crash and Damsel
>
> --
> Change "invalid" to James Bond's agent number to reply.

That was great!


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sf wrote:

> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
> The memory comforts me when I miss her.

I've had a similar experience. Since I didn't even know the person was
sick, it wasn't a product of my imagination. It was comforting as far
as what happens once you bite the dust. Kick the bucket. Etc.

nancy

"TFM®" > wrote in message
om...
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!


There are 2 possibilities;

A. There is an afterlife and a God and Christy is in Gods hands.

B. There is no God and no afterlife in which case - It's Over and when
you (TFM) die it's over for you.

Both possibilities are dependent on Faith or a lack thereof.

No matter how hard we try to reason or to know the TRUTH the fact is, it
will be hidden from us until we too join the dearly departed. So live your
life as if your personal belief is the TRUTH.

It's about all we can do.

Dimitri

On Fri, 8 May 2009 01:59:33 -0400, dejablues wrote:

> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> om...
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> No one can know the answer to that question.
> A person lives on in the memory of those that loved them. I think that when
> someone dies, that's it, they are no more, the journey is over. By
> remembering them, though, and telling their story, and making sure the
> story is repeated, they live on. Not physically, but in spirit.
> That lasts longer anyway.

when you die, that's it, party's over.

memories of you and your words might live on, but you don't.

your pal,
blake

"TFM®" > wrote in message
om...
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

I'm not sure exactly what happens as I have not gone that road yet, but
energy doesn't die.. it moves elsewhere. Into a new baby? Reincarnation?
Into the hydro line? dunno where.. but I know it doesn't disappear.

Debbie

Debbie wrote:
> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> om...
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> I'm not sure exactly what happens as I have not gone that road yet,
> but energy doesn't die.. it moves elsewhere. Into a new baby?
> Reincarnation? Into the hydro line? dunno where.. but I know it
> doesn't disappear.

Especially such a sweet spirit as Christy.

In article >,
TFM® > wrote:

> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

Kili is now your guardian angel.

Does the e-mail address you currently have posted work?
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> In article >,
> TFM® > wrote:
>
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> Kili is now your guardian angel.
>
> Does the e-mail address you currently have posted work?


Yes, it does. It looks fake but it's fully functional.

TFM®

In article >,
TFM® > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > TFM® > wrote:
> >
> >> What happens when you die?
> >>
> >> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
> >>
> >> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
> >
> > Kili is now your guardian angel.
> >
> > Does the e-mail address you currently have posted work?
>
>
> Yes, it does. It looks fake but it's fully functional.
>
> TFM®

Thanks...

E-mail on the way.
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Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Thanks to all of you.

I still don't know what to believe.

I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.

TFM®

sf wrote:
> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>
>>TFM® wrote:
>>
>>>What happens when you die?
>>>
>>>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>
>>>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>
>>"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.'


Either "something" does or it does not. And if it don't there is
nothing to be concerned about, unless the loss of the self in
existential annihilation is either sad or scary to an individual.

As an inevitability it no longer scares me and as far as regret or loss,
there is a certain comfort in the idea of avoiding any sort of
phenomenology of the other side, whatever it may be.

>>How do I know?
>>An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>>(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>>14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>>I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>>- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>>too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.

I agree.

>>
>>Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>
>
> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>

Same here, very soon after, and said to me "Now you know."

And that is but one of many dreams i have had regarding death.
--
JL

"Joseph Littleshoes" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> sf wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>TFM® wrote:
>>>
>>>>What happens when you die?
>>>>
>>>>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>>
>>>>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>>
>>>"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.'
>
>
> Either "something" does or it does not. And if it don't there is nothing
> to be concerned about, unless the loss of the self in existential
> annihilation is either sad or scary to an individual.
>
> As an inevitability it no longer scares me and as far as regret or loss,
> there is a certain comfort in the idea of avoiding any sort of
> phenomenology of the other side, whatever it may be.
>
>>>How do I know? An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not
>>>experience
>>>(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>>>14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was. I
>>>had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>>>- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>>>too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>
> I agree.
>
>>>
>>>Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>>
>>
>> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
>> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
>> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
>> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>>
>
> Same here, very soon after, and said to me "Now you know."
>
> And that is but one of many dreams i have had regarding death.
> --
> JL
>

The replies have been from one end of the spectrum to the other.

The question was somewhat rhetorical.

None of us can know until we die.

I thank you all for your input. I know no more for the dialogue, however.

I will continue to live my life until the answer is given to me at the
appointed time.

TFM®

On Fri, 8 May 2009 07:54:22 -0400, "mom peagram" >
wrote:

>"Damsel in dis Dress" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 7 May 2009 22:58:36 -0400, TFM® >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>What happens when you die?
>>>
>>>I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>
>>>TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtnz2O4Chfw
>>
>> With love, from Crash and Damsel
>
>That was great!

That song holds a lot of meaning for me. I'm glad that it touched
you, too.

Carol

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
> wrote:
>
>>TFM® wrote:
>>>
>>> What happens when you die?
>>>
>>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>
>>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>
>>"Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
>>An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>>(thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>>14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>>I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>>- no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>>too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>>
>>Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>
> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>
> --

My mother's parents died (6 weeks apart) back in 1976. Mom was never one to
talk to me about her "dreams" but shortly after her mother died she told me
her mother came to her "in a dream". She said she told her everything was
going to be alright. Mom said she felt greatly comforted. It was just a
few days later my father finally admitted to her he was an alcoholic and
asked for her help. So yes, I believe my grandmother visited my mother and
told her everything would work out.

When my mother was still alive I'm pretty sure I saw my father a couple of
times here in the house. I like to think he was still hanging around,
watching over her. I haven't "seen" him since she died. I haven't seen
her, either, but I feel her presence at times.

So to answer TFM's question, I do think there's something more. What it is,
where it is, I don't know.

Jill

"TFM®" > wrote in message
om...
>
> Thanks to all of you.
>
> I still don't know what to believe.
>
> I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.
>
> TFM®

Beliefs are as individual as tastes in cooking. It will always be that way.
Christy loved you, you loved her. That's really all that matters. You'll
figure out what you believe in time. But you won't find the answer to your
questions here.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 07 May 2009 22:15:40 -0500, Sky >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> TFM® wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What happens when you die?
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>>>
>>>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>>>
>>> "Something" happens In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
>>> An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
>>> (thankfully so!!!). I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
>>> 14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
>>> I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
>>> - no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. It's rather
>>> too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.
>>>
>>> Sky, who doesn't know but bets Christy will be there, too
>>
>> I didn't have an out of body experience and I didn't believe in ghosts
>> or spirits, but I've changed my mind. Mom visited me just as I was
>> waking up (to say goodbye), almost exactly 24 hours after her death.
>> The memory comforts me when I miss her.
>>
>> --
>
> My mother's parents died (6 weeks apart) back in 1976. Mom was never
> one to talk to me about her "dreams" but shortly after her mother died
> she told me her mother came to her "in a dream". She said she told her
> everything was going to be alright. Mom said she felt greatly
> comforted. It was just a few days later my father finally admitted to
> her he was an alcoholic and asked for her help. So yes, I believe my
> grandmother visited my mother and told her everything would work out.
>
> When my mother was still alive I'm pretty sure I saw my father a couple
> of times here in the house. I like to think he was still hanging
> around, watching over her. I haven't "seen" him since she died. I
> haven't seen her, either, but I feel her presence at times.
>
> So to answer TFM's question, I do think there's something more. What it
> is, where it is, I don't know.
>
> Jill

Drinking early today?

-dk

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> "TFM®" > wrote in message
> om...
>>
>> Thanks to all of you.
>>
>> I still don't know what to believe.
>>
>> I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.
>>
>> TFM®
>
> Beliefs are as individual as tastes in cooking. It will always be that
> way. Christy loved you, you loved her. That's really all that matters.
> You'll figure out what you believe in time. But you won't find the answer
> to your questions here.


No, not here in this newsgroup, nor here on this planet.

I will only find out like the rest of us, when I die.

I *think* it would be a shame to have a lifetime of experience buried or
burned.

I don't know what to believe.
Christy believed that she was a very old soul. Were I to follow her line of
thinking, I'd put myself at adolescence on the soul timeline.

Then there's the belief that when you die, you're dead.

I don't believe in all the hocus-pocus, heaven and hell of religion.

I guess it's just very hard to accept that once you die, you're gone
forever. I would like to think I could possibly live on somehow, but
reality tells me it just isn't so.
My spirit may very well be just what people remember of me.

"Extinguished" is a tough word to swallow.

So, in the meantime I will live.
I used to tell Christy to live the day. Move forward. Forget the past, it
can't be undone.
I should take my own advice.

Thanks for the space to rant.

TFM®

In article >,
TFM® > wrote:

> I would like to think I could possibly live on somehow, but
> reality tells me it just isn't so.
> My spirit may very well be just what people remember of me.

If nothing else, both of you will live forever on Usenet. :-)

>
> "Extinguished" is a tough word to swallow.
>
> So, in the meantime I will live.
> I used to tell Christy to live the day. Move forward. Forget the past, it
> can't be undone.
> I should take my own advice.

It's never easy. I know.

>
> Thanks for the space to rant.
>
> TFM®

<hugs> babe!
--
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

"Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message
...
> TFM® > news:4a039fd1$0$8252
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> Christy was a wonderful friend. I can't help but believe if there is an
> afterlife of sorts she's where she wants to be. I personally am not a
> religious person and don't believe in heaven or hell. I want to be
> cremated and my ashes scattered in the hopes I'll come back in some way.
> Maybe a flower. Better yet I'll be a nuisance weed; there to irritate
> another gardener I've pondered the same thing as you, over and over
> again. Take care Allan.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com


A dear friend was cremated and had her ashes scattered on her prize winning
roses, as she always believed that ashes promoted growth. I read somewhere
that Natalie Schaeffer (Mrs. Howell from Gilligan's Island) did the same
thing.....I think I read it in Dawn Well's write up in the Gilligan's Island
cookbook (no comments Christine!) about how whenever she went by the roses
she 'inherited', she always greeted her with 'Hello, Nat, the roses are
beautiful'...
-ginny

TFM® wrote:
>
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "TFM®" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>>
>>> Thanks to all of you.
>>>
>>> I still don't know what to believe.
>>>
>>> I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.
>>>
>>> TFM®
>>
>> Beliefs are as individual as tastes in cooking. It will always be
>> that way. Christy loved you, you loved her. That's really all that
>> matters. You'll figure out what you believe in time. But you won't
>> find the answer to your questions here.
>
>
> No, not here in this newsgroup, nor here on this planet.
>
> I will only find out like the rest of us, when I die.
>
> I *think* it would be a shame to have a lifetime of experience buried or
> burned.
>
> I don't know what to believe.
> Christy believed that she was a very old soul. Were I to follow her
> line of thinking, I'd put myself at adolescence on the soul timeline.
>
> Then there's the belief that when you die, you're dead.
>
> I don't believe in all the hocus-pocus, heaven and hell of religion.
>
> I guess it's just very hard to accept that once you die, you're gone
> forever. I would like to think I could possibly live on somehow, but
> reality tells me it just isn't so.
> My spirit may very well be just what people remember of me.
>
> "Extinguished" is a tough word to swallow.
>
> So, in the meantime I will live.
> I used to tell Christy to live the day. Move forward. Forget the past,
> it can't be undone.
> I should take my own advice.
>
> Thanks for the space to rant.
>
> TFM®

You are saying all the thoughts I have.

We are all searching and do not know the answers.

Be comforted that others have the same feelings.

You are not alone.

Much love, Rusty

On Fri, 08 May 2009 14:36:20 -0700, Joseph Littleshoes
> wrote:


>Same here, very soon after, and said to me "Now you know."

Doesn't have to be a dream.

And with "now you know" comes a sense of contentment.

Been there, done that. After we buried my Mom, I
commented, off hand, that with all the heat (it was
August) we could use some snow.

Within 5 minutes we were in the middle of a hail
storm.

My passengers (in the car, back from the cemetery)
gazed in wonder. And a little fear.

I said, "OK Mom, enough!" It stopped.

The family still tells the story, and my passengers
decided to go back to church.

Alex

On Fri, 8 May 2009 17:36:06 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>
>Thanks to all of you.
>
>I still don't know what to believe.
>
>I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.
>

Hey man! We live, we love, we screw, we give birth,
we grow old, we die. It is our lot. Not too shabby!!

And we're aware of all that goes on. That's human.

Don't be ashamed of grief, loss is the human portion.

The pain is dulled, but never quite gone. There is
]much we don't understand, for all our nukes, rockets
and Ivy League ****y-chologists.

Trust yourself. After all, who else do you have, when
the chips are down and and hand is called?

Salud,

Alex, wishing you well.

Alex, who's *seen* the dead, and not a relative.
Heavy business, that.

On Fri, 8 May 2009 17:36:06 -0400, TFM® >
wrote:

>
>Thanks to all of you.
>
>I still don't know what to believe.
>
>I know I'm still alive. That's all that counts right now.

swmbo reminds me. When we buried my dad, a mason,
my (relatively new) DIL attended the service with my son.
The Masonic emblem was over the casket. When the
minister began his eulogy (I'm in first row, she's in
second) she felt a chill behind her. Then a chilling
touch on her shoulder. She turned and saw ( she
told us) a dark presence and she was scared $hitle$$.
She ran to the powder room with other fems, and she
was absolutely quaking and crying.

She was an agnostic. I don't press the issue.

Alex, withholding judgement.

On Sun, 10 May 2009 04:33:19 -0400, TFM®
> wrote:

>I don't know what to believe.
>Christy believed that she was a very old soul. Were I to follow her line of
>thinking, I'd put myself at adolescence on the soul timeline.

Sometimes you meet people who fit that theory to the T. I think you'd
be right about old and new souls comparing you two.
>
>Then there's the belief that when you die, you're dead.

Yep, that's I thought until I felt my Mom saying her words of goodbye.
I also believed that when you're dead, *you're dead*. I had no belief
in an afterlife at all. Now I don't know what to believe. I don't
want to turn into some old person who goes to church just to make
peace with my maker, I still feel in control of my own destiny, so I
don't feel the need to pray to a higher being.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On May 7, 10:58*pm, TFM® > wrote:
> What happens when you die?
>
> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. *I just don't know.
>
> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!

Not the mind, that's part of the flesh and blood. Soul, the essense
of the person, if you believe in it continues on. The person lives on
in your memories if you don't believe in a soul.

Every so often I'll think of my Dad and think of how he would have
enjoyed his granddaughter's latest achievement.

Or maybe he was reincarnated in her. She sure has some of his
traits.

maxine in ri

On May 12, 6:42*am, maxine > wrote:
> On May 7, 10:58*pm, TFM® > wrote:
>
> > What happens when you die?
>
> > I'd like to think that the mind lives on. *I just don't know.
>
> > TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> Not the mind, that's part of the flesh and blood. *Soul, the essense
> of the person, if you believe in it continues on. *The person lives on
> in your memories if you don't believe in a soul.
>
> Every so often I'll think of my Dad and think of how he would have
> enjoyed his granddaughter's latest achievement.
>
> Or maybe he was reincarnated in her. *She sure has some of his
> traits.

Um, there are these things called genes.
Occam's razor cuts again!
>
> maxine in ri

--Bryan

On May 12, 6:42*am, maxine > wrote:
> On May 7, 10:58*pm, TFM® > wrote:
>
> > What happens when you die?
>
> > I'd like to think that the mind lives on. *I just don't know.
>
> > TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> Not the mind, that's part of the flesh and blood. *Soul, the essense
> of the person, if you believe in it continues on. *The person lives on
> in your memories if you don't believe in a soul.
>
> Every so often I'll think of my Dad and think of how he would have
> enjoyed his granddaughter's latest achievement.
>
> Or maybe he was reincarnated in her. *She sure has some of his
> traits.

Um, yeah, we'd all like to BELIEVE that we don't die and that we live
on forever, but then we have to think about the difference between
what we'd LIKE to believe and what exists as Reality independent of
us. That is if you believe Reality exists independent of us! Because
if you don't, then all bets are off and we cannot have a meaningful
discussion about the nature of objective Reality.

I believe (and there seems to be plethora of objective evidence to
support!) that Mother Nature is very conservative and does not create
or abide separate states of Reality for different biological creatures
(of which humans are one) or their temporal variances of being. And
that the state of your subjective reality after you die is very
similar if not identical to the subjective reality of you before you
were conceived. Which by the objectively observable evidence seems to
be non-existance!

I do NOT believe in an Unconditioned reality BTW!

John Kuthe...

maxine wrote:
> On May 7, 10:58 pm, TFM® > wrote:
>> What happens when you die?
>>
>> I'd like to think that the mind lives on. I just don't know.
>>
>> TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> Not the mind, that's part of the flesh and blood. Soul, the essense
> of the person, if you believe in it continues on. The person lives on
> in your memories if you don't believe in a soul.
>
> Every so often I'll think of my Dad and think of how he would have
> enjoyed his granddaughter's latest achievement.
>
> Or maybe he was reincarnated in her. She sure has some of his
> traits.
>
> maxine in ri

When did your Dad die? When was your daughter born?

I usually think that if there is any kind of afterlife, my mom is
laughing her head off seeing me coping with my 18-y-o daughter.

--
Jean B.

On 2009-05-12 08:22:29 -0500, "Jean B." > said:
>
> When did your Dad die? When was your daughter born?
>
> I usually think that if there is any kind of afterlife, my mom is
> laughing her head off seeing me coping with my 18-y-o daughter.

That "what goes around comes around" thing?
--
Barb Schaller
http://web.me.com/barbschaller
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle."
- Philo of Alexandria

On May 7, 10:15*pm, Sky > wrote:
> TFM® wrote:
>
> > What happens when you die?
>
> > I'd like to think that the mind lives on. *I just don't know.
>
> > TFM® - I miss Christy *so* much!
>
> "Something" happens *In that regard, I have 'faith.' How do I know?
> An "out of body" experience is one that many folks do not experience
> (thankfully so!!!). *I had an out-of-body experience when I was about
> 14-years old and have never forgotten how peculiar that 'episode' was.
> I had fallen off my bicycle and suffered a rather severe head concussion
> - no funny comments from the peanut gallery, eh!!!! <G>. *It's rather
> too hard to describe, but I truly believe 'Something' is out there.


Although I've never had an OBE, I never dismiss people who claim to
have odd experiences or seen mysterious things. I used to, but not any
more. There is something or other Out There that is very real, that
exists outside of passing, linear time and sometimes a part of it can
interact with our consciousness it in some way. It's where
premonitions, OBE's, "near death experiences" and probably a lot of
other things come from and a I suspect that lot more people probably
have had "borderline" experiences than are willing to publicly admit
it. JB Priestley wrote a great book called Man and Time around 1965,
which is full of peoples' odd experiences (including a few of his
own), and he thinks it all comes down to time and the way we perceive
it and (try to) order it around that is responsible for not only many
odd experiences but also many the world's problems. He asks
scientists, mathematicians, philosophers, housewives and others for
their views and experiences and the responses are fascinating. I don't
know if it's still in print but if you can find a copy, it's really
good. It doesn't provide all the answers but it's a reminder that
you're not alone.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> On 2009-05-12 08:22:29 -0500, "Jean B." > said:
>>
>> When did your Dad die? When was your daughter born?
>>
>> I usually think that if there is any kind of afterlife, my mom is
>> laughing her head off seeing me coping with my 18-y-o daughter.
>
> That "what goes around comes around" thing?


Karma can be a b*tch.

gloria p