On Sun, 17 May 2009 22:19:26 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:16:52 -0500, Omelet >
>wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> What shows up on a profile?
>>
>>Check mine.
>
>I don't do Yahoo groups, so I have no idea how to check it.

Katra
45 Female Central Texas

Invite to Connect
Member Since: Oct 1999 About MeINTERESTS
Interests: Handcrafts and Jewelry, DVD collecting, cooking and General
Marksmanship

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:16:52 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> What shows up on a profile?
> >
> >Check mine.
>
> I don't do Yahoo groups, so I have no idea how to check it.

Heh, I'd have to follow the links. I seldom bother. :-)
Yahoo groups is actually pretty cool. I subscribe to 4 of them, two of
them are poultry (and emu) related.
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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:05:38 -0600, Christine Dabney
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >I was just checking the settings stuff on yahoo groups, and you can
> >> >choose to hide your profile, so that only your display name will be
> >> >visible.
> >> >
> >> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
> >> loop.
> >
> >Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
> >
> >So can the other moderators!
>
> I think my problem is beyond that.

Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
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It's about learning to dance in the rain.
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In article >,
Mack A. Damia > wrote:

> On Sun, 17 May 2009 22:19:26 -0700, sf > wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:16:52 -0500, Omelet >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>In article >,
> >> sf > wrote:
> >>
> >>> What shows up on a profile?
> >>
> >>Check mine.
> >
> >I don't do Yahoo groups, so I have no idea how to check it.
>
> Katra
> 45 Female Central Texas
>
> Invite to Connect
> Member Since: Oct 1999 About MeINTERESTS
> Interests: Handcrafts and Jewelry, DVD collecting, cooking and General
> Marksmanship

<lol> I need to update that to 47 years old!
04-04-1962

And yes, I still like to cook and shoot, but have stopped making
jewelry. :-)

And I still love movies...
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
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On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > sf > wrote:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
>> >> loop.
>> >
>> >Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
>> >
>> >So can the other moderators!
>>
>> I think my problem is beyond that.
>
>Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)

I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> > sf > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
> >> >> loop.
> >> >
> >> >Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
> >> >
> >> >So can the other moderators!
> >>
> >> I think my problem is beyond that.
> >
> >Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
>
> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.

I re-sent it to the other e-mail address that you sent to the Centurytel
addy. Did that one come thru???

I sent myself an invite to the Centurytel addy and it never showed up
either, but Centurytel filters Yahoo which is why I run Yahoo thru
g-mail.

Is this address valid for you?
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Janet Wilder > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>>> "Hugh" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rec.food.recipes is a moderated newsgroup. The moderator retired. No
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>>> emerged who wants to take that role.
>>>>>>>>> I offered, but they rejected me because I drove a mac. :-(
>>>>>>>> Better to let the group die, I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, we could try starting one up on Yahoogroups?
>>>>>>> Several of us could run it as co-moderators?
>>>>>> I'd participate. I once owned a private Yahoo! Group and co-moderated
>>>>>> another semi-private group. The private group was by invite only. It did
>>>>>> not appear in the listings. The semi-private group was in the listing,
>>>>>> but you had to be accepted by the moderator after sending a brief email
>>>>>> why you want to join. It's not very difficult to moderate a Yahoo! Group.
>>>>> Ok, the group has been created if y'all are interested. :-) I'm the
>>>>> current group owner and will be happy to add co-moderators. We can
>>>>> discuss the "rules" about unmoderating memberships to speed the list up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to:
>>>>>
>>>>> to sign on.
>>>> That doesn't work. Nor does a search on the yahoo page. Please
>>>> post a usable link.
>>> I see you managed to join. :-) Let me go see:
>>>
>>> Ok, lets try this one:
>>>
>>>
>> Re the first: oh! Must have been with some help.
>>
>> I guess, then, I can't check out this addy.
>
> I've changed your settings to moderator. :-)

Er, it still hasn't even appeared on my list of groups!!!! It
also doesn't come up in my search. This is very odd.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jean B. wrote:
>>>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>>>>> "Hugh" > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rec.food.recipes is a moderated newsgroup. The moderator retired.
>>>>>>>>>>> No one has emerged who wants to take that role.
>>>>>>>>>> I offered, but they rejected me because I drove a mac. :-(
>>>>>>>>> Better to let the group die, I guess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>>> If anyone is interested, we could try starting one up on Yahoogroups?
>>>>>>>> Several of us could run it as co-moderators?
>>>>>>> Think about the rules. If any. Also, what would the ramifications be
>>>>>>> for rfc? How would the group differ from what we have here? How would
>>>>>>> it differ from rfr (as it was, of course)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might be interesting, but I wouldn't want to see it supplant rfc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My immediate thoughts would be:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Recipe-oriented
>>>>>>> 2. Discussion of recipes and prose related to the recipes allowed (but
>>>>>>> then where do you draw the line, so you don't slip into banter?)
>>>>>>> 3. Tried and true recipes only (made clear in some way with the
>>>>>>> submission) UNLESS someone asks for a specific recipe--and then the
>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>> that is has not been tried should be made clear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adding on...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No flaming.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No spamming.
>>>>> That is one good point of Yahoogroups.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderated lists can totally filter out Spams!
>>>>>
>>>>> I co-moderate a couple of lists. One that is dedicated to local
>>>>> freecycling (I save egg cartons and cat litter buckets and give them
>>>>> away on a regular basis, along with other "stuff" I want to get rid of)
>>>>> and an RKBA 2nd amendment list.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is truly interested, let me know and I'll be happy to start
>>>>> one up for recipes :-).
>>>> Well, I am debating whether I want to offer my services as a
>>>> co-moderator.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't done that. What does it involve?
>>> It just involves letting posts thru based on your personal views. They'd
>>> come to your mailbox. If you are not sure about one, just leave it in
>>> the queue for me or another moderator.
>>>
>>> That's what I do for Melissa on her RKBA list.
>>>
>>> It is not terribly involved.
>> Let's see where this goes first--if anywhere.
>
> <laughs> I totally know what you mean!
> Many Yahoo groups never go anywhere.

There are so many of them!!!!

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 15:51:22 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I set up a Yahoo group.
>>> Jean joined, so that's a start. :-)
>> I went to the sign in... it's asking for a LOT of information I'd
>> rather not give. What is necessary and what isn't. I don't want ANY
>> email from Yahoo.
>
> Ok. I've been a member of Yahoo now for a few years and NEVER get any
> e-mail from them and it did not appear to increase my spam load.
>
> Many of those fields they ask for are optional. :-)
>
> I'm on a few groups there.

But you do occasionally have to tweak the settings, which yahoo
periodically changes.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sounds to me like the new moderator is not doing his/her job.
>>>>> I'm still up for it if they are interested.
>>>> Maybe you should contact the new moderator about it. Does the
>>>> moderator own rfr? It seems to me that rfr should be resurrected
>>>> rather than create yet another Yahoo group.
>>> I set up a Yahoo group.
>>> Jean joined, so that's a start. :-)
>> Hmmm. I am not seeing this on my list of groups. Odd.
>
> Sometimes it takes awhile to update. It's been a few hours and is
> showing up on mine. I did not check right away.

Well, I still am not seeing this. Odd.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> It still isn't in my list of yahoo groups, nor is it coming up in
>> a search of new recipe-related groups. Odd.
>
> Sending you an invite to [addy snipped]

and I didn't get that either. Not in my junk folder, although rcn
could have snagged it.

Please delete your message, since it has my addy in it.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article
> >,
> wrote:
>
>> On May 17, 9:12 pm, Omelet > wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It still isn't in my list of yahoo groups, nor is it coming up in
>>>> a search of new recipe-related groups. Odd.
>>> Sending you an invite to .
>>> --
>>> Peace! Om
>> I can't see it either, when I do a search for it.
>>
>> A suggestion...when you are at the home page, copy the link and post
>> it here. Then it should be easy to find. I have been a yahoo groups
>> member for over 10 years, and that seems to be the best solution on
>> how to find a group..
>>
>> Also, you can put the link in your signature.
>>
>> Christine
>
> I see you there, thanks for the link:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/recfoodrecipes/

Okay. I can get there via the link, but it is very odd that I
can't see it/access it some other way.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
>>>>> loop.
>>>> Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
>>>>
>>>> So can the other moderators!
>>> I think my problem is beyond that.
>> Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
>
> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.
>
I think you have to set up a yahoo membership in general in order
to join.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> Jean B. wrote:
> > Janet Wilder wrote:
> >> I think it should be recipes and requests for recipes only. Just like
> >> r.f.r used to be, but it won't be linked to that stupid web site so
> >> there won't be all of those dumb requests from illiterates.
> >>
> > What web site is that, Janet?
> >
> CD Kitchen, IIRC

What is it about CD Kitchen that offends your sensibilities, Janet?
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-Philo of Alexandria

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> >>>
> >> Re the first: oh! Must have been with some help.
> >>
> >> I guess, then, I can't check out this addy.
> >
> > I've changed your settings to moderator. :-)
>
> Er, it still hasn't even appeared on my list of groups!!!! It
> also doesn't come up in my search. This is very odd.
>
> --
> Jean B.

You should be good to go now.
It was human error on my part. ;-)

I won't go into detail. <blush>
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> >>> It is not terribly involved.
> >> Let's see where this goes first--if anywhere.
> >
> > <laughs> I totally know what you mean!
> > Many Yahoo groups never go anywhere.
>
> There are so many of them!!!!
>
> --
> Jean B.

According to giganews. there are over 80,000 newsgroups too. <g>
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet wrote:
> >>> In article >,
> >>> sf > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Sounds to me like the new moderator is not doing his/her job.
> >>>>> I'm still up for it if they are interested.
> >>>> Maybe you should contact the new moderator about it. Does the
> >>>> moderator own rfr? It seems to me that rfr should be resurrected
> >>>> rather than create yet another Yahoo group.
> >>> I set up a Yahoo group.
> >>> Jean joined, so that's a start. :-)
> >> Hmmm. I am not seeing this on my list of groups. Odd.
> >
> > Sometimes it takes awhile to update. It's been a few hours and is
> > showing up on mine. I did not check right away.
>
> Well, I still am not seeing this. Odd.

It was human error. My bad. :-P
I fixed it.
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Jean B." > wrote:
> >
> >> It still isn't in my list of yahoo groups, nor is it coming up in
> >> a search of new recipe-related groups. Odd.
> >
> > Sending you an invite to [addy snipped]
>
> and I didn't get that either. Not in my junk folder, although rcn
> could have snagged it.
>
> Please delete your message, since it has my addy in it.

Will do! Your addy shows up at the top of my screen here tho' so it's
evidently being published here with every message.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
Mack A. Damia > wrote:
(snip)
> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
> safe.
>
> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
> --
> mad

If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
--
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"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle."
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On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:16:34 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>(snip)
>>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>>> safe.
>>>
>>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>>> --
>>> mad
>>
>>If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
>>described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
>>are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
>>information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>
>Basically, poorly written explanations (anything, really,including
>recipes and instructions).
>
>For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
>not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
>downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>

Not entirely true. Alot of the Techies know what annoys people and
try their hardest to make the site user friendly, but it's the owner
of the site who pays the bills that wants it all glittzy, loaded with
flash intros. Mine is easy to navigate, I have no annoying flash,
popups, tracking cookies or java apps the follow you around the page.
If you make it too hard to navigate most people will not return, so
all the glitz has done is ****ed the potential customer off.


>This has been a citicism for as long as I can remember. Same thing
>with recipes. Mainly food people write them and not "writers".
>
>Not all the time, of course, but I encounter confusing instructions,
>etc. failry often. Part of the "dumbing" down of society.

On Mon, 18 May 2009 05:02:05 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > sf > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article >,
>> >> > sf > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
>> >> >> loop.
>> >> >
>> >> >Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >So can the other moderators!
>> >>
>> >> I think my problem is beyond that.
>> >
>> >Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
>>
>> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
>> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.
>
>I re-sent it to the other e-mail address that you sent to the Centurytel
>addy. Did that one come thru???
>
>I sent myself an invite to the Centurytel addy and it never showed up
>either, but Centurytel filters Yahoo which is why I run Yahoo thru
>g-mail.
>
>Is this address valid for you?

Didn't get any invites to the moment. Unmung gmail or use the one we
correspond through.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:27:46 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> sf > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
>>>>>> loop.
>>>>> Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> So can the other moderators!
>>>> I think my problem is beyond that.
>>> Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
>>
>> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
>> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.
>>
>I think you have to set up a yahoo membership in general in order
>to join.

I thought that was what step one was all about, Jean. I had to create
a Yahoo account. Unfortunately, this thing isn't recognizing the
Yahoo account either.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:20:23 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:

>On Mon, 18 May 2009 10:10:34 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:16:34 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In article >,
>>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>>(snip)
>>>>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>>>>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>>>>> safe.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>>>>> --
>>>>> mad
>>>>
>>>>If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
>>>>described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
>>>>are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
>>>>information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>>>
>>>Basically, poorly written explanations (anything, really,including
>>>recipes and instructions).
>>>
>>>For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
>>>not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
>>>downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>>>
>>
>>Not entirely true. Alot of the Techies know what annoys people and
>>try their hardest to make the site user friendly, but it's the owner
>>of the site who pays the bills that wants it all glittzy, loaded with
>>flash intros. Mine is easy to navigate, I have no annoying flash,
>>popups, tracking cookies or java apps the follow you around the page.
>>If you make it too hard to navigate most people will not return, so
>>all the glitz has done is ****ed the potential customer off.
>
>That's one website. What about the other 10 million?
>
>Ever try to navigate around eBay? Customer service?

Ebay is one of the worst.

>
>It's exactly the same with the telephone answering systems these days
>many of them take you in circles with the button pushing.
>
>I see people screaming about this all the time - give me a "live"
>person"!
>
>Same idea.....flow charts designed by techies and not language
>(feet-on-the-ground) people.

On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> (snip)
>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>> safe.
>>
>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>> --
>> mad
>
> If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
> described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
> are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
> information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)

well, i think i'm an older person, and i like things spelled out. i know
(i think) you don't like the cross-referencing in 'joy of cooking,' but
that seems to me to be a sensible approach. if you don't need that
material, just skim it - but it's nice to have it there, at least for the
first go-round.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 17 May 2009 15:16:03 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:52:44 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Ah, the blessings of Vista I get to pick and choose, sweetie. I see
>>> your posts. I don't see the ones I don't want to. Other "real"
> newsreaders
>>> allow you to write strings to block things. Blinky was very good at
>>> informing people about that but alas, we lost Blinky.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> but the usenet improvement project lives on:
>>
>> <http://improve-usenet.org/filters_bg.html>
>
> Unfortunately the Jill Improvement Project is dead in the water...
>
> :-(

i don't think anyone has that kind of time.

blake

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 05:02:05 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> > sf > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >In article >,
> >> >> > sf > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
> >> >> >> loop.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So can the other moderators!
> >> >>
> >> >> I think my problem is beyond that.
> >> >
> >> >Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
> >>
> >> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
> >> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.
> >
> >I re-sent it to the other e-mail address that you sent to the Centurytel
> >addy. Did that one come thru???
> >
> >I sent myself an invite to the Centurytel addy and it never showed up
> >either, but Centurytel filters Yahoo which is why I run Yahoo thru
> >g-mail.
> >
> >Is this address valid for you?
>
> Didn't get any invites to the moment. Unmung gmail or use the one we
> correspond through.

Mm, have tried both.

I'll try sending another invite thru gmail then.

Did you try the one link that was posted?
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> Didn't get any invites to the moment. Unmung gmail or use the one we
> correspond through.

Ok, pulled this link from the home page:



Hope that helps?
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Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.

> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 17 May 2009 08:16:34 -0700, Mack A. Damia
> > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>(snip)
>>>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>>>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>>>> safe.
>>>>
>>>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>>>> --
>>>> mad
>>>
>>>If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
>>>described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
>>>are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
>>>information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>>
>>Basically, poorly written explanations (anything, really,including
>>recipes and instructions).
>>
>>For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
>>not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
>>downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>>
>
> Not entirely true. _Alot_ of the Techies know what annoys people

Shaddup... you're annoying!

"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
> > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>(snip)
>>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>>> safe.
>>>
>>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>>> --
>>> mad
>>
>>If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
>>described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
>>are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
>>information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>
> Basically, poorly written explanations (anything, really,including
> recipes and instructions).
>
> For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
> not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
> downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>
> This has been a citicism for as long as I can remember. Same thing
> with recipes. Mainly food people write them and not "writers".
>
>

Very few notable cooks are adept at writting but any published cookbook I've
seen was groomed and edited by someone who knows how to write. Most recipes
on web sites I've encountered I have found to be rather clearly written,
especially those by the major food companies... it's only some on ethnic
websites that aren't as clear as one would hope but that is more a product
of losing something in the translation rather than ineptitude. And then of
course most everything on many personal web sites is poorly written, as are
most Newsgroups posts.

jmcquown wrote:

> "Hugh" > wrote in message
> ...


> > Is there a way we can keep the flaming foodies
> > and dump the watch sellers?

> Killfile googlemail and gmail and you won't see the spammers.

I don't see any spam. That's a combination of what NIN is doing at the
server end and my own set of filters. I'm not sure what the breakdown
is, I suspect that NIN is probably getting most of it these days, but I
needed my filters at one point.



Brian

--
Day 105 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

On Mon, 18 May 2009 18:21:02 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> wrote:

>
>"Mack A. Damia" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin'
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> Mack A. Damia > wrote:
>>>(snip)
>>>> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
>>>> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
>>>> safe.
>>>>
>>>> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>>>> --
>>>> mad
>>>
>>>If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
>>>described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
>>>are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
>>>information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>>
>> Basically, poorly written explanations (anything, really,including
>> recipes and instructions).
>>
>> For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
>> not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
>> downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>>
>> This has been a citicism for as long as I can remember. Same thing
>> with recipes. Mainly food people write them and not "writers".
>>
>>
>
>Very few notable cooks are adept at writting but any published cookbook I've
>seen was groomed and edited by someone who knows how to write. Most recipes
>on web sites I've encountered I have found to be rather clearly written,
>especially those by the major food companies... it's only some on ethnic
>websites that aren't as clear as one would hope but that is more a product
>of losing something in the translation rather than ineptitude. And then of
>course most everything on many personal web sites is poorly written, as are
>most Newsgroups posts.

The older I get, the more I want to "simplify". The world is becoming
too complex for me - and I'm certain others feel the same way.

There is so much to read and absorb these day, and I don't even bother
reading novels. I think observing life, itself, is a novel.

I cringe at people who cannot convey an idea succinctly.
--
mad

Mack wrote:
>
> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
>
>

Some dishes require lengthy explanations, like it's pretty straight forward
to explain how to grill tube steak but it's a heck of a lot more complicated
describing how to produce franfurters.... perhaps you should limit yourself
to those recipes one finds on say, a peanut butter jar label.

What annoys me are folks who don't trim attributions... and you ain't good
enough to identify yourself with more than a four letter word, so from now
on you're just plain old "Mack"... feel honored I permitted you to retain
the upper case M. Hey, don't feel badly, alphebetically you're superiour to
the Mick. LOL And eventually I may knight you with Mack the [something],
not to worry, it'll be befitting. hehe

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>>>>> It is not terribly involved.
>>>> Let's see where this goes first--if anywhere.
>>> <laughs> I totally know what you mean!
>>> Many Yahoo groups never go anywhere.
>> There are so many of them!!!!
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> According to giganews. there are over 80,000 newsgroups too. <g>

Lucky I am semi-selective then.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds to me like the new moderator is not doing his/her job.
>>>>>>> I'm still up for it if they are interested.
>>>>>> Maybe you should contact the new moderator about it. Does the
>>>>>> moderator own rfr? It seems to me that rfr should be resurrected
>>>>>> rather than create yet another Yahoo group.
>>>>> I set up a Yahoo group.
>>>>> Jean joined, so that's a start. :-)
>>>> Hmmm. I am not seeing this on my list of groups. Odd.
>>> Sometimes it takes awhile to update. It's been a few hours and is
>>> showing up on mine. I did not check right away.
>> Well, I still am not seeing this. Odd.
>
> It was human error. My bad. :-P
> I fixed it.

S'okay.

Hmmm. It's still not in the results when one searches though.

--
Jean B.

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> It still isn't in my list of yahoo groups, nor is it coming up in
>>>> a search of new recipe-related groups. Odd.
>>> Sending you an invite to [addy snipped]
>> and I didn't get that either. Not in my junk folder, although rcn
>> could have snagged it.
>>
>> Please delete your message, since it has my addy in it.
>
> Will do! Your addy shows up at the top of my screen here tho' so it's
> evidently being published here with every message.

Yeah, I know. Still...

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:27:46 -0400, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:27:52 -0500, Omelet >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 18 May 2009 00:19:50 -0500, Omelet >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I'm having trouble joining the group. I seem to be caught in a
>>>>>>> loop.
>>>>>> Hang on. I'll send an invite to anyone that wants one. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So can the other moderators!
>>>>> I think my problem is beyond that.
>>>> Sent an invite. Did it help? (running off to check the list)
>>> I didn't get your invite, but I found out tonight in chat that Steve
>>> Pope joined! Guess I'm just not meant to be a Yahoo Grouper.
>>>
>> I think you have to set up a yahoo membership in general in order
>> to join.
>
> I thought that was what step one was all about, Jean. I had to create
> a Yahoo account. Unfortunately, this thing isn't recognizing the
> Yahoo account either.
>
That is very odd. I don't know WHAT to say.

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 17 May 2009 23:49:52 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 22:10:03 -0500, Omelet >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >,
>>>> sf > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 17 May 2009 15:51:22 -0500, Omelet >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I set up a Yahoo group.
>>>>>> Jean joined, so that's a start. :-)
>>>>> I went to the sign in... it's asking for a LOT of information I'd
>>>>> rather not give. What is necessary and what isn't. I don't want ANY
>>>>> email from Yahoo.
>>>> Ok. I've been a member of Yahoo now for a few years and NEVER get any
>>>> e-mail from them and it did not appear to increase my spam load.
>>>>
>>>> Many of those fields they ask for are optional. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I'm on a few groups there.
>>> They aren't letting me through w/o telling all. I HAVE to give name,
>>> gender, birth date etc. I don't mind giving my zip code. I could
>>> lie, but what's the point? I just want to know how much of this is
>>> made public. I want nothing showing on a "profile" unless I want it
>>> to show.
>> I totally understand. :-)
>>
>> Like I said tho', I've been a member there for a few years, at least 3
>> or more (don't recall exactly) and it's never increased my spam load,
>> but that all goes to the gmail address, not the personal centurytel one.
>
> What shows up on a profile?
>

Paranoid?

-dk

On Mon, 18 May 2009 18:07:48 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> wrote:

>>>For example, may websites are designed and written by "techies" and
>>>not English majors; consequently, as you know - many of them can be
>>>downright confusing and frustrating to navigate.
>>>
>>
>> Not entirely true. _Alot_ of the Techies know what annoys people
>
>Shaddup... you're annoying!
>
>
>

and you're an asshole so..................

On Mon, 18 May 2009 11:17:11 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> Didn't get any invites to the moment. Unmung gmail or use the one we
>> correspond through.
>
>Ok, pulled this link from the home page:
>

>
>Hope that helps?

Well, I'm getting farther today. The "link" is still not valid and I
guess I'm waiting for *something* to come to my pipeline address or
maybe it's Yahoo. I checked suspect mail but nothing was waiting for
me there or in known spam, so I guess whatever it is got lost in
cyberspace - like your invitations. I have no idea how to check Yahoo
mail.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 08:22:42 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > Mack A. Damia > wrote:
> > (snip)
> >> Mere lists of ingredients and steps to prepare a dish obviously cannot
> >> be copyrighted. Don't copy the recipe word-for-word and you'll be
> >> safe.
> >>
> >> Wordy recipes annoy me anyway!
> >> --
> >> mad
> >
> > If by "wordy" you mean explicitly worded, with all steps thoroughly
> > described, IMNSHO that has to be because fewer and fewer young people
> > are being taught basic cooking information and need detailed
> > information. If that is not what you mean, what do you mean? :-)
>
> well, i think i'm an older person, and i like things spelled out.

Oh, I don't mind explicit directions. I was just offering a possible
reason for it.

> i know (i think) you don't like the cross-referencing in 'joy of
> cooking,'

You are correct, Sir!

> but that seems to me to be a sensible approach. if you don't need
> that material, just skim it - but it's nice to have it there, at
> least for the first go-round.

To each one's own, for sure. I found the flipping from one recipe to
another to be inconvenient and annoying as hell. That's probably why my
1964 JoC is in such good condition--I never used it except to read about
foods. I was pretty young at the time; maybe i'd feel different about
it now.

> your pal,
> blake




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